Re: [LU] Last 7 games
onsistent... I reckon they >> > underestimated us. But we can be great and we can be crap. >> > Inconsistency R Us, that's us this year...of course more downs than >> > ups, but I still think JM is not quite the muppet that some people >> > think. >> > But this is far from over... we need to build some consistency, and JM >> > knows it. I still think we need to give JM until at least January... >> if >> > we are bottom then, then maybe we need a change. All the lower half >> > teams are picking up points... nobody is left behind. I thought a few >> > weeks ago, we could rely on Forest and Leicester taking up 2 of the >> > relegation slots Now, it's 3 amongst 10 or so clubs. Any of them >> > could slide down and get into serious trouble, us included. I think >> > anyone below Palace in 10th can go down. Right now, my bet is Forest, >> > Bournemouth, and Wolves. >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > On 30 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Richard Naef >> > wrote: >> > >> > Even more so tonight ;) >> > ___ >> > >> > From: Nicholas Armit >> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 5:55:05 PM >> > To: seanscr...@aol.com ; leedslist@gn.apc.org >> > ; heathpalai...@gmail.com >> > ; alec...@gmail.com ; >> > Richard Naef >> > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games >> > >> > They are now. >> > Nick >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 07:25:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef >> > wrote: >> > Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as >> > great as after Chelsea or Arsenal >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Leedslist <[1]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of >> > seanscribe--- via Leedslist >> > Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 >> > To: [2]leedslist@gn.apc.org; [3]heathpalai...@gmail.com; >> > [4]alec...@gmail.com >> > Cc: [5]leedslist@gn.apc.org >> > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games >> > Dave, >> > It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy >> of >> > a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a >> > failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and >> > closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our >> failure >> > of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone >> > penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, >> > and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds >> > United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham >> > Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window >> > that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The >> club >> > has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the >> > desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's >> > no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on >> > having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a >> > centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four >> > players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and >> > Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form >> I >> > would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that >> > position.) It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his >> team >> > selection versus Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B >> (hmmm, >> > where have we heard that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame >> > him for big money purchases that the club failed to make in the >> window. >> > I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in >> > recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his >> > pull-back on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had >> gone >> > our way, we'd be having a totally different conversation. But I also >> > realize that it's got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On >> > the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are >> ready >> > to step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight >> > league games for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. >> > Chee
Re: [LU] Last 7 games
My take is that Meslier did not call...Cooper was watching the ball and expecting to nod it back to the keeper when the latter suddenly appeared in the corner of his eyeall he could do was divert the ball away from danger as best he could. Anyway.all pretty irrelevant in the context of a GREAT performance. I think one of the most telling images were of the hugs Marsch got from Roca & Kristensen at fulltime. They really do seem to be all in this together. Harrison though..needs dropping when Sini is fit again. On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 10:06 AM wrote: > Cooper headed the ball back into our own box, with insufficient power to > go into touch, taking our goalie out of the game, requiring a goal line > clearance from Struijk, but that was Mesliers fault?? Meslier would simply > have headed it clear without Coopers interjection! > > But yes, apart from the 2 f*** ups that almost cost us goals, Cooper did > ok ;-) > > > On 30 Oct 2022, at 09:33, Robert Heath wrote: > > That horrible moment in the first minute was Man of the Match > Meslier's fault, and Cooper actually dealt with the situation very well. > The 2nd blunder..well yeah that was a blunder. But apart from that, > esp in the 1st half, Cooper was excellent. > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 9:14 AM John Lee via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > >> All the talk about Gomez’s backpass being the fault for the first goal, >> but what was Virgil Billy Big Bollox Van Dijk doing - Rodrigo ran straight >> past him - Van Dijk was half asleep. >> >> The one thing I take from that game, regardless of the luck, Mesliers >> saves etc, is that the players clearly buy into Marsch’s ‘vision’. Whilst I >> remain to be convinced about this ‘style’, the players played out of their >> skins yesterday, and Marsch kept repeating we, we, we! I think eventually, >> with all his tinkering, he will settle on his favoured starting xi? >> In Cooper we have one of those players who makes us look more solid, but >> always has a f*** up in him - 2 yesterday - what was he doing in the 1st >> minute, and his bambi impression later was embarrassing. Struijk would be a >> much better centre half, but then that brings Firpo back into the equation, >> which isn’t a good thing imho. >> >> Beat Bournemouth and we can have a few weeks looking at the league table >> without fearing the worst? >> >> >> >> > On 30 Oct 2022, at 01:03, Alec McQueen wrote: >> > >> > We are not out of the woods yet, but today shows what's possible. Plan >> > A worked today because Liverpool were trying their Plan A and it >> wasn't >> > working so well. And we got some luck which we haven't had last few >> > games. >> > And Meslier was immense and we had 2 good enough moments to make the >> > difference today. It was also a decent defensive performance against a >> > decent team (despite whatever anyone says). Agreed that Liverpool were >> > not on their game today, so inconsistent... I reckon they >> > underestimated us. But we can be great and we can be crap. >> > Inconsistency R Us, that's us this year...of course more downs than >> > ups, but I still think JM is not quite the muppet that some people >> > think. >> > But this is far from over... we need to build some consistency, and JM >> > knows it. I still think we need to give JM until at least January... >> if >> > we are bottom then, then maybe we need a change. All the lower half >> > teams are picking up points... nobody is left behind. I thought a few >> > weeks ago, we could rely on Forest and Leicester taking up 2 of the >> > relegation slots Now, it's 3 amongst 10 or so clubs. Any of them >> > could slide down and get into serious trouble, us included. I think >> > anyone below Palace in 10th can go down. Right now, my bet is Forest, >> > Bournemouth, and Wolves. >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > On 30 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Richard Naef >> > wrote: >> > >> > Even more so tonight ;) >> > ___ >> > >> > From: Nicholas Armit >> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 5:55:05 PM >> > To: seanscr...@aol.com ; leedslist@gn.apc.org >> > ; heathpalai...@gmail.com >> > ; alec...@gmail.com ; >> > Richard Naef >> > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games >> > >> > They are now. >> >
Re: [LU] Last 7 games
Cooper headed the ball back into our own box, with insufficient power to go into touch, taking our goalie out of the game, requiring a goal line clearance from Struijk, but that was Mesliers fault?? Meslier would simply have headed it clear without Coopers interjection! But yes, apart from the 2 f*** ups that almost cost us goals, Cooper did ok ;-) > On 30 Oct 2022, at 09:33, Robert Heath wrote: > > That horrible moment in the first minute was Man of the Match Meslier's > fault, and Cooper actually dealt with the situation very well. The 2nd > blunder..well yeah that was a blunder. But apart from that, esp in > the 1st half, Cooper was excellent. > >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 9:14 AM John Lee via Leedslist >> wrote: >> All the talk about Gomez’s backpass being the fault for the first goal, but >> what was Virgil Billy Big Bollox Van Dijk doing - Rodrigo ran straight past >> him - Van Dijk was half asleep. >> >> The one thing I take from that game, regardless of the luck, Mesliers saves >> etc, is that the players clearly buy into Marsch’s ‘vision’. Whilst I remain >> to be convinced about this ‘style’, the players played out of their skins >> yesterday, and Marsch kept repeating we, we, we! I think eventually, with >> all his tinkering, he will settle on his favoured starting xi? >> In Cooper we have one of those players who makes us look more solid, but >> always has a f*** up in him - 2 yesterday - what was he doing in the 1st >> minute, and his bambi impression later was embarrassing. Struijk would be a >> much better centre half, but then that brings Firpo back into the equation, >> which isn’t a good thing imho. >> >> Beat Bournemouth and we can have a few weeks looking at the league table >> without fearing the worst? >> >> >> >> > On 30 Oct 2022, at 01:03, Alec McQueen wrote: >> > >> > We are not out of the woods yet, but today shows what's possible. Plan >> > A worked today because Liverpool were trying their Plan A and it wasn't >> > working so well. And we got some luck which we haven't had last few >> > games. >> > And Meslier was immense and we had 2 good enough moments to make the >> > difference today. It was also a decent defensive performance against a >> > decent team (despite whatever anyone says). Agreed that Liverpool were >> > not on their game today, so inconsistent... I reckon they >> > underestimated us. But we can be great and we can be crap. >> > Inconsistency R Us, that's us this year...of course more downs than >> > ups, but I still think JM is not quite the muppet that some people >> > think. >> > But this is far from over... we need to build some consistency, and JM >> > knows it. I still think we need to give JM until at least January... if >> > we are bottom then, then maybe we need a change. All the lower half >> > teams are picking up points... nobody is left behind. I thought a few >> > weeks ago, we could rely on Forest and Leicester taking up 2 of the >> > relegation slots Now, it's 3 amongst 10 or so clubs. Any of them >> > could slide down and get into serious trouble, us included. I think >> > anyone below Palace in 10th can go down. Right now, my bet is Forest, >> > Bournemouth, and Wolves. >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > On 30 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Richard Naef >> > wrote: >> > >> > Even more so tonight ;) >> > ___ >> > >> > From: Nicholas Armit >> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 5:55:05 PM >> > To: seanscr...@aol.com ; leedslist@gn.apc.org >> > ; heathpalai...@gmail.com >> > ; alec...@gmail.com ; >> > Richard Naef >> > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games >> > >> > They are now. >> > Nick >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 07:25:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef >> >wrote: >> > Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as >> > great as after Chelsea or Arsenal >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Leedslist <[1]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of >> > seanscribe--- via Leedslist >> > Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 >> > To: [2]leedslist@gn.apc.org; [3]heathpalai...@gmail.com; >> > [4]alec...@gmail.com >> > Cc: [5]leedslist@gn.apc.org >> > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games &
Re: [LU] Last 7 games
That horrible moment in the first minute was Man of the Match Meslier's fault, and Cooper actually dealt with the situation very well. The 2nd blunder..well yeah that was a blunder. But apart from that, esp in the 1st half, Cooper was excellent. On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 9:14 AM John Lee via Leedslist wrote: > All the talk about Gomez’s backpass being the fault for the first goal, > but what was Virgil Billy Big Bollox Van Dijk doing - Rodrigo ran straight > past him - Van Dijk was half asleep. > > The one thing I take from that game, regardless of the luck, Mesliers > saves etc, is that the players clearly buy into Marsch’s ‘vision’. Whilst I > remain to be convinced about this ‘style’, the players played out of their > skins yesterday, and Marsch kept repeating we, we, we! I think eventually, > with all his tinkering, he will settle on his favoured starting xi? > In Cooper we have one of those players who makes us look more solid, but > always has a f*** up in him - 2 yesterday - what was he doing in the 1st > minute, and his bambi impression later was embarrassing. Struijk would be a > much better centre half, but then that brings Firpo back into the equation, > which isn’t a good thing imho. > > Beat Bournemouth and we can have a few weeks looking at the league table > without fearing the worst? > > > > > On 30 Oct 2022, at 01:03, Alec McQueen wrote: > > > > We are not out of the woods yet, but today shows what's possible. Plan > > A worked today because Liverpool were trying their Plan A and it wasn't > > working so well. And we got some luck which we haven't had last few > > games. > > And Meslier was immense and we had 2 good enough moments to make the > > difference today. It was also a decent defensive performance against a > > decent team (despite whatever anyone says). Agreed that Liverpool were > > not on their game today, so inconsistent... I reckon they > > underestimated us. But we can be great and we can be crap. > > Inconsistency R Us, that's us this year...of course more downs than > > ups, but I still think JM is not quite the muppet that some people > > think. > > But this is far from over... we need to build some consistency, and JM > > knows it. I still think we need to give JM until at least January... if > > we are bottom then, then maybe we need a change. All the lower half > > teams are picking up points... nobody is left behind. I thought a few > > weeks ago, we could rely on Forest and Leicester taking up 2 of the > > relegation slots Now, it's 3 amongst 10 or so clubs. Any of them > > could slide down and get into serious trouble, us included. I think > > anyone below Palace in 10th can go down. Right now, my bet is Forest, > > Bournemouth, and Wolves. > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 30 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Richard Naef > > wrote: > > > > Even more so tonight ;) > > ___________ > > > > From: Nicholas Armit > > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 5:55:05 PM > > To: seanscr...@aol.com ; leedslist@gn.apc.org > > ; heathpalai...@gmail.com > > ; alec...@gmail.com ; > > Richard Naef > > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > > > > They are now. > > Nick > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 07:25:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef > >wrote: > > Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as > > great as after Chelsea or Arsenal > > -Original Message- > > From: Leedslist <[1]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of > > seanscribe--- via Leedslist > > Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 > > To: [2]leedslist@gn.apc.org; [3]heathpalai...@gmail.com; > > [4]alec...@gmail.com > > Cc: [5]leedslist@gn.apc.org > > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > > Dave, > > It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of > > a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a > > failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and > > closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure > > of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone > > penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, > > and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds > > United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham > > Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window > > that
Re: [LU] Last 7 games
All the talk about Gomez’s backpass being the fault for the first goal, but what was Virgil Billy Big Bollox Van Dijk doing - Rodrigo ran straight past him - Van Dijk was half asleep. The one thing I take from that game, regardless of the luck, Mesliers saves etc, is that the players clearly buy into Marsch’s ‘vision’. Whilst I remain to be convinced about this ‘style’, the players played out of their skins yesterday, and Marsch kept repeating we, we, we! I think eventually, with all his tinkering, he will settle on his favoured starting xi? In Cooper we have one of those players who makes us look more solid, but always has a f*** up in him - 2 yesterday - what was he doing in the 1st minute, and his bambi impression later was embarrassing. Struijk would be a much better centre half, but then that brings Firpo back into the equation, which isn’t a good thing imho. Beat Bournemouth and we can have a few weeks looking at the league table without fearing the worst? > On 30 Oct 2022, at 01:03, Alec McQueen wrote: > > We are not out of the woods yet, but today shows what's possible. Plan > A worked today because Liverpool were trying their Plan A and it wasn't > working so well. And we got some luck which we haven't had last few > games. > And Meslier was immense and we had 2 good enough moments to make the > difference today. It was also a decent defensive performance against a > decent team (despite whatever anyone says). Agreed that Liverpool were > not on their game today, so inconsistent... I reckon they > underestimated us. But we can be great and we can be crap. > Inconsistency R Us, that's us this year...of course more downs than > ups, but I still think JM is not quite the muppet that some people > think. > But this is far from over... we need to build some consistency, and JM > knows it. I still think we need to give JM until at least January... if > we are bottom then, then maybe we need a change. All the lower half > teams are picking up points... nobody is left behind. I thought a few > weeks ago, we could rely on Forest and Leicester taking up 2 of the > relegation slots Now, it's 3 amongst 10 or so clubs. Any of them > could slide down and get into serious trouble, us included. I think > anyone below Palace in 10th can go down. Right now, my bet is Forest, > Bournemouth, and Wolves. > Sent from my iPad > > On 30 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Richard Naef > wrote: > > Even more so tonight ;) > ___ > > From: Nicholas Armit > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 5:55:05 PM > To: seanscr...@aol.com ; leedslist@gn.apc.org > ; heathpalai...@gmail.com > ; alec...@gmail.com ; > Richard Naef > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > > They are now. > Nick > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 07:25:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef >wrote: > Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as > great as after Chelsea or Arsenal > -Original Message- > From: Leedslist <[1]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of > seanscribe--- via Leedslist > Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 > To: [2]leedslist@gn.apc.org; [3]heathpalai...@gmail.com; > [4]alec...@gmail.com > Cc: [5]leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > Dave, > It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of > a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a > failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and > closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure > of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone > penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, > and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds > United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham > Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window > that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The club > has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the > desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's > no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on > having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a > centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four > players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and > Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I > would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that > position.) It's reasonable to cast a
Re: [LU] Last 7 games
We are not out of the woods yet, but today shows what's possible. Plan A worked today because Liverpool were trying their Plan A and it wasn't working so well. And we got some luck which we haven't had last few games. And Meslier was immense and we had 2 good enough moments to make the difference today. It was also a decent defensive performance against a decent team (despite whatever anyone says). Agreed that Liverpool were not on their game today, so inconsistent... I reckon they underestimated us. But we can be great and we can be crap. Inconsistency R Us, that's us this year...of course more downs than ups, but I still think JM is not quite the muppet that some people think. But this is far from over... we need to build some consistency, and JM knows it. I still think we need to give JM until at least January... if we are bottom then, then maybe we need a change. All the lower half teams are picking up points... nobody is left behind. I thought a few weeks ago, we could rely on Forest and Leicester taking up 2 of the relegation slots Now, it's 3 amongst 10 or so clubs. Any of them could slide down and get into serious trouble, us included. I think anyone below Palace in 10th can go down. Right now, my bet is Forest, Bournemouth, and Wolves. Sent from my iPad On 30 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Richard Naef wrote: Even more so tonight ;) ___ From: Nicholas Armit Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 5:55:05 PM To: seanscr...@aol.com ; leedslist@gn.apc.org ; heathpalai...@gmail.com ; alec...@gmail.com ; Richard Naef Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games They are now. Nick On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 07:25:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef wrote: Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as great as after Chelsea or Arsenal -Original Message- From: Leedslist <[1]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of seanscribe--- via Leedslist Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 To: [2]leedslist@gn.apc.org; [3]heathpalai...@gmail.com; [4]alec...@gmail.com Cc: [5]leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games Dave, It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.) It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money purchases that the club failed to make in the window. I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. Cheers! Sean -Original Message- From: nattan--- via Leedslist <[6]leedslist@gn.apc.org> To: Robert Heath <[7]heathpalai...@gmail.com>; Alec McQueen <[8]alec...@gmail.com> Cc: Leeds List 2010 <[9]leedslist@gn.apc.org> Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty.
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Even more so tonight ;) From: Nicholas Armit Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 5:55:05 PM To: seanscr...@aol.com ; leedslist@gn.apc.org ; heathpalai...@gmail.com ; alec...@gmail.com ; Richard Naef Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games They are now. Nick On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 07:25:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef wrote: Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as great as after Chelsea or Arsenal -Original Message- From: Leedslist mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf Of seanscribe--- via Leedslist Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>; heathpalai...@gmail.com<mailto:heathpalai...@gmail.com>; alec...@gmail.com<mailto:alec...@gmail.com> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games Dave, It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.) It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money purchases that the club failed to make in the window. I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. Cheers! Sean -Original Message- From: nattan--- via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> To: Robert Heath mailto:heathpalai...@gmail.com>>; Alec McQueen mailto:alec...@gmail.com>> Cc: Leeds List 2010 mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty. Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, Llorente nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to the players BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- fire a ball over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that is the manager's fault. Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his fault Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always have a chance. We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things are looking dodgy Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results together and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see that happening. I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the first of the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were discussing who was the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa, Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance, ditto Christensen, Monk we wanted to stay, Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic , hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with McDermott, so did we chant War
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Agree totally John. Get rid now. Ted H On Sun, 23 Oct 2022, 22:37 John Lee via Leedslist, wrote: > The question that should be asked is if he stays what does he have to > offer that will change what is happening? I don’t see him affecting things > positively full stop! > > Get rid asap, not because he’s American , or because his cliched jargonise > is very annoying, but because he cannot organise a football team and stop > them losing! > > There is so much of the season left to give a new manager time to reverse > the slide, but if they piss about until Xmas it may be too late? > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 23 Oct 2022, at 20:35, Michael Benjamin wrote: > > > > The guy is so out of his depth that it is incredible. > > What more has to happen? > > > > > > > > Dr Michael Benjamin, > > Community Psychiatrist. > > Oranit, > > ISRAEL > > > > SKYPE: BEDENOGA > > PHONE: +972-505-317772 > > Online CBT || Online Consultations > > BLOG: Times Of Israel || Quora || Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG > > AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Nicholas > Armit via Leedslist > > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 7:58 PM > > To: seanscr...@aol.com; Alec McQueen > > Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org > > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > > > > Madness. He hasn't a clue what he is doing. Terrible tactics, Team so > easy to bypass. Looks lost on the sidelines. We have had a relatively easy > time of it fixtures wise this season and are in the relegation zone. Has to > go. > > Nick > >On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 06:49:30 PM EDT, Alec McQueen < > alec...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Sean > > That’s where I am right now… it’s clear JM has made mistakes, he is not > blameless for our current position, but he also did ok in the first few > games of the season (and at the end of last season!). > > > > We should not have short memories because we are on a poor run. We need > to give JM at least until the January window… if we haven’t won another > game by then, then I might also be in the JM out camp. But until then we > need to be patient. > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On 23 Oct 2022, at 01:30, seanscr...@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> Dave, > >> > >> It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy > >> of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a > >> failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and > >> closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our > >> failure of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone > >> penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, > >> and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds > >> United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham > >> Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window > >> that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The > >> club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the > >> desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's > >> no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on > >> having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a > >> centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four > >> players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and > >> Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form > >> I would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that > >> position.) > >> > >> It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection > versus Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we > heard that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money > purchases that the club failed to make in the window. > >> > >> I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in > recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back > on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd > be having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's > got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). > >> > >> On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are > ready to step up a
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The question that should be asked is if he stays what does he have to offer that will change what is happening? I don’t see him affecting things positively full stop! Get rid asap, not because he’s American , or because his cliched jargonise is very annoying, but because he cannot organise a football team and stop them losing! There is so much of the season left to give a new manager time to reverse the slide, but if they piss about until Xmas it may be too late? Sent from my iPad > On 23 Oct 2022, at 20:35, Michael Benjamin wrote: > > The guy is so out of his depth that it is incredible. > What more has to happen? > > > > Dr Michael Benjamin, > Community Psychiatrist. > Oranit, > ISRAEL > > SKYPE: BEDENOGA > PHONE: +972-505-317772 > Online CBT || Online Consultations > BLOG: Times Of Israel || Quora || Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG > AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit > via Leedslist > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 7:58 PM > To: seanscr...@aol.com; Alec McQueen > Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > > Madness. He hasn't a clue what he is doing. Terrible tactics, Team so easy to > bypass. Looks lost on the sidelines. We have had a relatively easy time of it > fixtures wise this season and are in the relegation zone. Has to go. > Nick >On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 06:49:30 PM EDT, Alec McQueen > wrote: > > Sean > That’s where I am right now… it’s clear JM has made mistakes, he is not > blameless for our current position, but he also did ok in the first few games > of the season (and at the end of last season!). > > We should not have short memories because we are on a poor run. We need to > give JM at least until the January window… if we haven’t won another game by > then, then I might also be in the JM out camp. But until then we need to be > patient. > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 23 Oct 2022, at 01:30, seanscr...@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> Dave, >> >> It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy >> of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a >> failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and >> closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our >> failure of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone >> penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, >> and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds >> United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham >> Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window >> that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The >> club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the >> desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's >> no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on >> having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a >> centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four >> players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and >> Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form >> I would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that >> position.) >> >> It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection >> versus Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we >> heard that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money >> purchases that the club failed to make in the window. >> >> I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent >> matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on >> Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be >> having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to >> go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). >> >> On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready >> to step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league >> games for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. >> >> Cheers! >> >> Sean >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: nattan--- via Leedslist >> To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen >> >> Cc: Leeds List 2010 >> Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am >> Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games >> &g
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The guy is so out of his depth that it is incredible. What more has to happen? Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist. Oranit, ISRAEL SKYPE: BEDENOGA PHONE: +972-505-317772 Online CBT || Online Consultations BLOG: Times Of Israel || Quora || Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE. -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit via Leedslist Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 7:58 PM To: seanscr...@aol.com; Alec McQueen Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games Madness. He hasn't a clue what he is doing. Terrible tactics, Team so easy to bypass. Looks lost on the sidelines. We have had a relatively easy time of it fixtures wise this season and are in the relegation zone. Has to go. Nick On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 06:49:30 PM EDT, Alec McQueen wrote: Sean That’s where I am right now… it’s clear JM has made mistakes, he is not blameless for our current position, but he also did ok in the first few games of the season (and at the end of last season!). We should not have short memories because we are on a poor run. We need to give JM at least until the January window… if we haven’t won another game by then, then I might also be in the JM out camp. But until then we need to be patient. Sent from my iPad > On 23 Oct 2022, at 01:30, seanscr...@aol.com wrote: > > > Dave, > > It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy > of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a > failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and > closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our > failure of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone > penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, > and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds > United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham > Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window > that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The > club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the > desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's > no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on > having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a > centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four > players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and > Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form > I would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that > position.) > > It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus > Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard > that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money > purchases that the club failed to make in the window. > > I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent > matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on > Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be > having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to > go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). > > On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to > step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games > for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. > > Cheers! > > Sean > > > -Original Message- > From: nattan--- via Leedslist > To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen > > Cc: Leeds List 2010 > Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > > I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault > that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty. > Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, Llorente > nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to > the players BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play > against- fire a ball over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - > that is the manager's fault. Equally the fact that we have no left back > worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a > failed Rodrigo up top is his fault Even when it works well our lack of a > cutting edge means we get nothing when we are on top in a match and our soft > underbelly means our opponents always have a chance. > We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal > and Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the botto
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Madness. He hasn't a clue what he is doing. Terrible tactics, Team so easy to bypass. Looks lost on the sidelines. We have had a relatively easy time of it fixtures wise this season and are in the relegation zone. Has to go. Nick On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 06:49:30 PM EDT, Alec McQueen wrote: Sean That’s where I am right now… it’s clear JM has made mistakes, he is not blameless for our current position, but he also did ok in the first few games of the season (and at the end of last season!). We should not have short memories because we are on a poor run. We need to give JM at least until the January window… if we haven’t won another game by then, then I might also be in the JM out camp. But until then we need to be patient. Sent from my iPad > On 23 Oct 2022, at 01:30, seanscr...@aol.com wrote: > > > Dave, > > It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a > first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed > Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet > anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a > record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing > centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, and signed during the > reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds > United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was > saying all summer transfer window that we needed a reliable goalscoring > striker and a left-back. The club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK > and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the > window). There's no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was > insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a > centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four players > who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and Hjelde - are > injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would put Firpo > behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.) > > It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus > Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard > that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money > purchases that the club failed to make in the window. > > I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent > matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on > Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be > having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to > go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). > > On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to > step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games > for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. > > Cheers! > > Sean > > > -Original Message- > From: nattan--- via Leedslist > To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen > Cc: Leeds List 2010 > Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > > I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v > Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty. Equally > individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, Llorente nightmare v > Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to the players > BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- fire > a ball over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that is the > manager's fault. Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy of a > first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed > Rodrigo up top is his fault > Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when > we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always > have a chance. > We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and > Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things are looking > dodgy > Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results together > and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see that > happening. > I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the first of > the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were discussing > who was the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa, > Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance, ditto Christensen, Monk we &
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They are now. Nick On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 07:25:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef wrote: Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as great as after Chelsea or Arsenal -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of seanscribe--- via Leedslist Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; heathpalai...@gmail.com; alec...@gmail.com Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games Dave, It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.) It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money purchases that the club failed to make in the window. I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. Cheers! Sean -Original Message- From: nattan--- via Leedslist To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen Cc: Leeds List 2010 Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty. Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, Llorente nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to the players BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- fire a ball over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that is the manager's fault. Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his fault Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always have a chance. We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things are looking dodgy Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results together and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see that happening. I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the first of the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were discussing who was the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa, Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance, ditto Christensen, Monk we wanted to stay, Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic , hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with McDermott, so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be Grayson, dont recall chants, so McAllister is the last one I can remember for sure getting the " out " chant ? Personally the last (?only) one I chanted about was Adamson, to the extent that if anyone says Adamson I say at ,east in my head "out" Tricky times at ER Dave On Friday, 21 October 2022, 21:00:09 BST, Alec McQueen wrote: I think we are being harsh on Marsch. He is trying to mould a new team, a new squad, a new playing style… I think it is clear to see that he is not yet happy with what is happening
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We know he’s a fighter, that’s why he got that touchline ban. Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Oct 2022, at 11:39, Robert Heath wrote: > > I just hope Marsch doesn't say "I'm a fighter, not a quitter!" > >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 12:25 AM Richard Naef < >> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as great >> as after Chelsea or Arsenal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of seanscribe--- >> via Leedslist >> Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 >> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; heathpalai...@gmail.com; alec...@gmail.com >> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org >> Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games >> >> Dave, >> It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a >> first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed >> Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet >> anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a >> record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing >> centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, and signed during the >> reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds >> United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was >> saying all summer transfer window that we needed a reliable goalscoring >> striker and a left-back. The club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK >> and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the >> window). There's no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was >> insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a >> centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four players >> who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and Hjelde - are >> injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would put Firpo >> behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.) It's reasonable to >> cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus Leicester, the >> tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard that before?), >> but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money purchases that the >> club failed to make in the window. >> I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in >> recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back >> on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd >> be having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's >> got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On the plus side, how >> long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to step up a level? >> Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games for our >> top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. >> Cheers! >> Sean >> >> -Original Message- >> From: nattan--- via Leedslist >> To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen < >> alec...@gmail.com> >> Cc: Leeds List 2010 >> Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am >> Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games >> >> I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault >> that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a >> penalty. Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, >> Llorente nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that >> is down to the players BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so >> easy to play against- fire a ball over midfield into the corner and you >> create chances , - that is the manager's fault. Equally the fact that we >> have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an >> unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his fault Even when it works >> well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when we are on top in >> a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always have a chance. >> We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and >> Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things are looking >> dodgy Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results >> together and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see >> that happening. I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I >> expect the first of the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last >> match we were discussing who was the last manager who got the " out" >&g
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I just hope Marsch doesn't say "I'm a fighter, not a quitter!" On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 12:25 AM Richard Naef < rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote: > Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as great > as after Chelsea or Arsenal > > -Original Message- > From: Leedslist On Behalf Of seanscribe--- > via Leedslist > Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 > To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; heathpalai...@gmail.com; alec...@gmail.com > Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > > Dave, > It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a > first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed > Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet > anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a > record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing > centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, and signed during the > reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds > United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was > saying all summer transfer window that we needed a reliable goalscoring > striker and a left-back. The club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK > and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the > window). There's no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was > insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a > centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four players > who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and Hjelde - are > injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would put Firpo > behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.) It's reasonable to > cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus Leicester, the > tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard that before?), > but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money purchases that the > club failed to make in the window. > I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in > recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back > on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd > be having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's > got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On the plus side, how > long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to step up a level? > Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games for our > top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. > Cheers! > Sean > > -Original Message- > From: nattan--- via Leedslist > To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen < > alec...@gmail.com> > Cc: Leeds List 2010 > Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > > I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault > that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a > penalty. Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, > Llorente nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that > is down to the players BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so > easy to play against- fire a ball over midfield into the corner and you > create chances , - that is the manager's fault. Equally the fact that we > have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an > unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his fault Even when it works > well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when we are on top in > a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always have a chance. > We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and > Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things are looking > dodgy Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results > together and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see > that happening. I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I > expect the first of the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last > match we were discussing who was the last manager who got the " out" > chants. Never happened to Bielsa, Heckingbottom sacked before we had > chance, ditto Christensen, Monk we wanted to stay, Evans was unpopular > but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic , hockaday all too short lived, > Redders popular, same generally with McDermott, so did we chant Warnock > out ? If not it would be Grayson, dont recall chants, so McAllister is > the last one I can remember for sure getting the " out " chant ? Pe
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Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as great as after Chelsea or Arsenal -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of seanscribe--- via Leedslist Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; heathpalai...@gmail.com; alec...@gmail.com Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games Dave, It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.) It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money purchases that the club failed to make in the window. I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. Cheers! Sean -Original Message- From: nattan--- via Leedslist To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen Cc: Leeds List 2010 Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty. Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, Llorente nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to the players BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- fire a ball over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that is the manager's fault. Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his fault Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always have a chance. We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things are looking dodgy Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results together and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see that happening. I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the first of the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were discussing who was the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa, Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance, ditto Christensen, Monk we wanted to stay, Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic , hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with McDermott, so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be Grayson, dont recall chants, so McAllister is the last one I can remember for sure getting the " out " chant ? Personally the last (?only) one I chanted about was Adamson, to the extent that if anyone says Adamson I say at ,east in my head "out" Tricky times at ER Dave On Friday, 21 October 2022, 21:00:09 BST, Alec McQueen wrote: I think we are being harsh on Marsch. He is trying to mould a new team, a new squad, a new playing style… I think it is clear to see that he is not yet happy with what is happening on the pitch… we need to give this guy a chance. The team has shown glimpses of what it is capable
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Sean That’s where I am right now… it’s clear JM has made mistakes, he is not blameless for our current position, but he also did ok in the first few games of the season (and at the end of last season!). We should not have short memories because we are on a poor run. We need to give JM at least until the January window… if we haven’t won another game by then, then I might also be in the JM out camp. But until then we need to be patient. Sent from my iPad > On 23 Oct 2022, at 01:30, seanscr...@aol.com wrote: > > > Dave, > > It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a > first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed > Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet > anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a > record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing > centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, and signed during the > reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds > United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was > saying all summer transfer window that we needed a reliable goalscoring > striker and a left-back. The club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK > and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the > window). There's no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was > insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a > centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four players > who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and Hjelde - are > injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would put Firpo > behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.) > > It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus > Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard > that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money > purchases that the club failed to make in the window. > > I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent > matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on > Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be > having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to > go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). > > On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to > step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games > for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. > > Cheers! > > Sean > > > -Original Message- > From: nattan--- via Leedslist > To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen > Cc: Leeds List 2010 > Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am > Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games > > I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v > Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty. Equally > individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, Llorente nightmare v > Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to the players > BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- fire > a ball over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that is the > manager's fault. Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy of a > first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed > Rodrigo up top is his fault > Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when > we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always > have a chance. > We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and > Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things are looking > dodgy > Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results together > and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see that > happening. > I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the first of > the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were discussing > who was the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa, > Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance, ditto Christensen, Monk we > wanted to stay, Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic > , hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with > McDermott, so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be Grayson, dont > recall chants, so McAllister is the last one I can remember for sure gett
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"I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be having a totally different conversation." Very true..and also if we had got to play our home game v Forest a few weeks ago. On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 10:52 AM nat...@sky.com wrote: > I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault > that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a > penalty. Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, > Llorente nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that > is down to the players > BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- > fire a ball over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that > is the manager's fault. Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy > of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed > Rodrigo up top is his fault > > Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing > when we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents > always have a chance. > > We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and > Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things are looking > dodgy > > Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results > together and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see > that happening. > > I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the first of > the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were discussing > who was the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened to > Bielsa, Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance, ditto Christensen, > Monk we wanted to stay, Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, > Rosler, milanic , hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same > generally with McDermott, so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be > Grayson, dont recall chants, so McAllister is the last one I can remember > for sure getting the " out " chant ? Personally the last (?only) one I > chanted about was Adamson, to the extent that if anyone says Adamson I say > at ,east in my head "out" > > > Tricky times at ER > > > > Dave > On Friday, 21 October 2022, 21:00:09 BST, Alec McQueen > wrote: > > > I think we are being harsh on Marsch. He is trying to mould a new team, a > new squad, a new playing style… I think it is clear to see that he is not > yet happy with what is happening on the pitch… we need to give this guy a > chance. The team has shown glimpses of what it is capable of, our problem > seems to be consistency and Plan Bs if Plan A isn’t working. > wha > I am not saying I think JM will come good and all will be well, I also > have my serious doubts, but I think 10 games into the season is too early > to be throwing out the coach and starting again. And it is not all JM’s > fault… we clearly needed a proven striker and a left back and we didn’t get > them. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 21 Oct 2022, at 22:33, Robert Heath wrote: > > > > Yeah, but to be fair to marsch (which I am not that inclined to be, > > but..) several of those "Ls" under Bielsa were 0-6, 0-7, 0-4 etc. > > > >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 10:44 AM John Lee via Leedslist < > >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > >> > >> Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points) > >> > >> Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) > >> > >> Just copied from another site! > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Leedslist mailing list > >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > >> > >> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > >> > >> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > > > ___ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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Dave, It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window that we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.) It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money purchases that the club failed to make in the window. I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s. Cheers! Sean -Original Message- From: nattan--- via Leedslist To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen Cc: Leeds List 2010 Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty. Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, Llorente nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to the players BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- fire a ball over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that is the manager's fault. Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his fault Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always have a chance. We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things are looking dodgy Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results together and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see that happening. I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the first of the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were discussing who was the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa, Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance, ditto Christensen, Monk we wanted to stay, Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic , hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with McDermott, so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be Grayson, dont recall chants, so McAllister is the last one I can remember for sure getting the " out " chant ? Personally the last (?only) one I chanted about was Adamson, to the extent that if anyone says Adamson I say at ,east in my head "out" Tricky times at ER Dave On Friday, 21 October 2022, 21:00:09 BST, Alec McQueen wrote: I think we are being harsh on Marsch. He is trying to mould a new team, a new squad, a new playing style… I think it is clear to see that he is not yet happy with what is happening on the pitch… we need to give this guy a chance. The team has shown glimpses of what it is capable of, our problem seems to be consistency and Plan Bs if Plan A isn’t working. wha I am not saying I think JM will come good and all will be well, I also have my serious doubts, but I think 10 games into the season is too early to be throwing out the coach and starting again. And it is not all JM’s fault… we clearly needed a proven striker
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I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v Arsenal Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty. Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace, Llorente nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to the players BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- fire a ball over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that is the manager's fault. Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his fault Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always have a chance. We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs. Things are looking dodgy Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results together and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see that happening. I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the first of the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were discussing who was the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa, Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance, ditto Christensen, Monk we wanted to stay, Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic , hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with McDermott, so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be Grayson, dont recall chants, so McAllister is the last one I can remember for sure getting the " out " chant ? Personally the last (?only) one I chanted about was Adamson, to the extent that if anyone says Adamson I say at ,east in my head "out" Tricky times at ER Dave On Friday, 21 October 2022, 21:00:09 BST, Alec McQueen wrote: I think we are being harsh on Marsch. He is trying to mould a new team, a new squad, a new playing style… I think it is clear to see that he is not yet happy with what is happening on the pitch… we need to give this guy a chance. The team has shown glimpses of what it is capable of, our problem seems to be consistency and Plan Bs if Plan A isn’t working. wha I am not saying I think JM will come good and all will be well, I also have my serious doubts, but I think 10 games into the season is too early to be throwing out the coach and starting again. And it is not all JM’s fault… we clearly needed a proven striker and a left back and we didn’t get them. Sent from my iPad > On 21 Oct 2022, at 22:33, Robert Heath wrote: > > Yeah, but to be fair to marsch (which I am not that inclined to be, > but..) several of those "Ls" under Bielsa were 0-6, 0-7, 0-4 etc. > >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 10:44 AM John Lee via Leedslist < >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >> >> Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points) >> >> Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) >> >> Just copied from another site! >> >> >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ >> >> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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I think we are being harsh on Marsch. He is trying to mould a new team, a new squad, a new playing style… I think it is clear to see that he is not yet happy with what is happening on the pitch… we need to give this guy a chance. The team has shown glimpses of what it is capable of, our problem seems to be consistency and Plan Bs if Plan A isn’t working. I am not saying I think JM will come good and all will be well, I also have my serious doubts, but I think 10 games into the season is too early to be throwing out the coach and starting again. And it is not all JM’s fault… we clearly needed a proven striker and a left back and we didn’t get them. Sent from my iPad > On 21 Oct 2022, at 22:33, Robert Heath wrote: > > Yeah, but to be fair to marsch (which I am not that inclined to be, > but..) several of those "Ls" under Bielsa were 0-6, 0-7, 0-4 etc. > >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 10:44 AM John Lee via Leedslist < >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >> >> Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points) >> >> Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) >> >> Just copied from another site! >> >> >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ >> >> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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Yeah, but to be fair to marsch (which I am not that inclined to be, but..) several of those "Ls" under Bielsa were 0-6, 0-7, 0-4 etc. On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 10:44 AM John Lee via Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points) > > Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) > > Just copied from another site! > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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…and if look at the opposition for the last 3 Bielsa matches, the results for Marsh are even more grim. > On 21 Oct 2022, at 11:44, John Lee via Leedslist wrote: > > Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points) > > Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) > > Just copied from another site! > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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I still think that the board haven’t invested properly in the squad. We sold our two best players and only used the proceeds from their sales to fund the signings in the summer. There are a number of players that served us well in escaping the championship but it’s time they were replaced / moved on. I’m thinking Cooper, Ayling, Bamford for starters. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Richard Walker Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 10:57:16 AM To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; Leeds List 2010 ; Simon McNally Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games I think you've hit the nail on the head there Simon. Even losing with Bielsa was at times decent to watch. We have no plan with Marsh. On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 10:54:40 BST, Simon McNally via Leedslist wrote: I think the other issue facing Marsch is that the quality of football has been so poor. At least under Bielsa the matches were exciting even if we didn’t win but the majority of games this season have been dire. It’s hard to see a massive improvement though until Radz and co stick their hands in their pockets a bit more. Not signing a left back or a striker with experience is looking a worse decision by the week and we look short in midfield too if we get any injuries. I’m also not sure how you’d look at a defence that conceded so many goals last year and think you could get away without signing a new centre back either. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Leedslist mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf of John Lee via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 10:44:26 AM To: Leeds List 2010 mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> Subject: [LU] Last 7 games Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points) Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) Just copied from another site! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there Simon. Even losing with Bielsa was at times decent to watch. We have no plan with Marsh. On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 10:54:40 BST, Simon McNally via Leedslist wrote: I think the other issue facing Marsch is that the quality of football has been so poor. At least under Bielsa the matches were exciting even if we didn’t win but the majority of games this season have been dire. It’s hard to see a massive improvement though until Radz and co stick their hands in their pockets a bit more. Not signing a left back or a striker with experience is looking a worse decision by the week and we look short in midfield too if we get any injuries. I’m also not sure how you’d look at a defence that conceded so many goals last year and think you could get away without signing a new centre back either. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via Leedslist Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 10:44:26 AM To: Leeds List 2010 Subject: [LU] Last 7 games Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points) Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) Just copied from another site! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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interesting. On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 10:44:45 BST, John Lee via Leedslist wrote: Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points) Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) Just copied from another site! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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I think the other issue facing Marsch is that the quality of football has been so poor. At least under Bielsa the matches were exciting even if we didn’t win but the majority of games this season have been dire. It’s hard to see a massive improvement though until Radz and co stick their hands in their pockets a bit more. Not signing a left back or a striker with experience is looking a worse decision by the week and we look short in midfield too if we get any injuries. I’m also not sure how you’d look at a defence that conceded so many goals last year and think you could get away without signing a new centre back either. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via Leedslist Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 10:44:26 AM To: Leeds List 2010 Subject: [LU] Last 7 games Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points) Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) Just copied from another site! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
[LU] Last 7 games
Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points) Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points) Just copied from another site! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
