Re: [LU] 2nd half

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I suppose as fans of 50 years +, we’ve seen it all before, and like Simon says, 
I think we’ve seen this set-up very recently! Obviously it was a relief to have 
some defensive organisation and not being gubbed by 4 or more every week, but 
the ultra cautious build ups and not using our key strengths, i.e. fast 
forwards who need the ball early, it isn’t that surprising teams have sussed 
out how to beat us, and why fan discontent is on the rise. Farke has done a 
pretty good job so far, but if he cannot/ will not vary our build-up play, or 
buy someone who can, then this is only going one way.

Imho, he really must play Gray in the middle - our problems arn’t with the 
actual players in attack/defence, but not having a McGinn type midfielder.

Finally, there are players who keep getting a game who provide nothing - Gnonto 
is one! 

Hopefully our Xmas form will have benefits, because Farke must see plan A isn’t 
the be all and end all! And hey, let’s end on a positive - I think we’re too 
good to go down :-) 


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> On 30 Dec 2023, at 08:49, Jim Moran  wrote:
> 
> Agree on Bamford away as the better option. Gets way too much stick for
> being offside by know nowts, but the reality is he’s making smart runs and
> the midfield are playing it too late. As you said, it’s because they never
> practice anything other than plan a in training.
> 
>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 08:42, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Might be a bit premature given the Ipswich result but it’s beginning to
>> feel a bit like the end of Bielsa in that teams seem to know how to play
>> against Farke’s slow, predictable 159 passes build up play by putting men
>> behind the ball and making sure there’s no room to play and then they know
>> they’ll get a chance from a set piece or counter and win the game.
>> Hopefully we’ll stuff Brum and Farke will somehow change his tactics for
>> away games.
>> Darkow - 5. Strangely had nothing to do but what he did was poor.
>> Spence - 5. Disappointed at his best position but a lot of that might have
>> been down to Gnonto who really didn’t help going forwards
>> Byram- 5. Did ok first half , unlucky with the goal
>> Rodon- 7. Battled hard
>> Cooper - 6. Thought he did ok
>> Gruev - 5. It was his best showing for us and he saw a lot of the ball but
>> he is just a ball pusher and not a creator.
>> Ampadu - 6. Worked hard but doesn’t have the creativity
>> Gnonto - 4. Should have had a pen but apart from that he looked rusty.
>> Needs more game time but probably won’t get it after this.
>> Summerville- 5. Trying hard but it’s difficult to receive the ball and
>> beat the 5 men that are lined up in front of you.
>> Rutter - 6. Ditto but did have some success. Should have scored first
>> half. Not a no 9
>> Piroe - 2. Totally ineffective as our no 10
>> Subs:James - 7. Made an impact
>> Bamford - 5 BUT for me he shows there is another option by playing over
>> the top and running on to balls. It’s obvious though that Farke isn’t
>> practicing this in training though cos we can’t do it at the moment but for
>> me it’s Bamford in at no 9 in the New Year.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, December 29, 2023, 10:26 pm, Simon McNally <
>> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hope the radio Leeds folks ask Farke some proper questions.
>> We lost all pretence of shape after all the attacking subs and to be
>> honest I’m as likely to score from the sofa as Bamford was on the pitch.
>> With the quality of players we have at our disposal that was simply
>> unacceptable, as was Preston and Sunderland.
>> Piroe as a 10 might work at home but in these away games we look short in
>> midfield.I’d like to see a midfield trio of Ampadu, Kamara and Gray /
>> Gruev. With the available players for the front three we’d still be potent
>> but with more control in midfield.
>> I don’t think 4th is good enough for the squad we have and we need to
>> figure out how to play against the low block.
>> What worries me is that the rest of the championship have been given a
>> blueprint of how to nullify us.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook for iOSFrom: Richard Walker 
>> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 10:18:11 PM
>> To: Simon McNally ; leeds list (
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] 2nd half Absolute dogshit. Gruev’s free kick at the end
>> summed the game up for me. Just not good enough against a very average West
>> Brom team.
>> Commentators keep reminded us how devastating we are in attack when if
>> truth be known in these 

Re: [LU] 2nd half

[Jim Moran]

Agree on Bamford away as the better option. Gets way too much stick for
being offside by know nowts, but the reality is he’s making smart runs and
the midfield are playing it too late. As you said, it’s because they never
practice anything other than plan a in training.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 08:42, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Might be a bit premature given the Ipswich result but it’s beginning to
> feel a bit like the end of Bielsa in that teams seem to know how to play
> against Farke’s slow, predictable 159 passes build up play by putting men
> behind the ball and making sure there’s no room to play and then they know
> they’ll get a chance from a set piece or counter and win the game.
> Hopefully we’ll stuff Brum and Farke will somehow change his tactics for
> away games.
> Darkow - 5. Strangely had nothing to do but what he did was poor.
> Spence - 5. Disappointed at his best position but a lot of that might have
> been down to Gnonto who really didn’t help going forwards
> Byram- 5. Did ok first half , unlucky with the goal
> Rodon- 7. Battled hard
> Cooper - 6. Thought he did ok
> Gruev - 5. It was his best showing for us and he saw a lot of the ball but
> he is just a ball pusher and not a creator.
> Ampadu - 6. Worked hard but doesn’t have the creativity
> Gnonto - 4. Should have had a pen but apart from that he looked rusty.
> Needs more game time but probably won’t get it after this.
> Summerville- 5. Trying hard but it’s difficult to receive the ball and
> beat the 5 men that are lined up in front of you.
> Rutter - 6. Ditto but did have some success. Should have scored first
> half. Not a no 9
> Piroe - 2. Totally ineffective as our no 10
> Subs:James - 7. Made an impact
> Bamford - 5 BUT for me he shows there is another option by playing over
> the top and running on to balls. It’s obvious though that Farke isn’t
> practicing this in training though cos we can’t do it at the moment but for
> me it’s Bamford in at no 9 in the New Year.
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2023, 10:26 pm, Simon McNally <
> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>
> Hope the radio Leeds folks ask Farke some proper questions.
> We lost all pretence of shape after all the attacking subs and to be
> honest I’m as likely to score from the sofa as Bamford was on the pitch.
> With the quality of players we have at our disposal that was simply
> unacceptable, as was Preston and Sunderland.
> Piroe as a 10 might work at home but in these away games we look short in
> midfield.I’d like to see a midfield trio of Ampadu, Kamara and Gray /
> Gruev. With the available players for the front three we’d still be potent
> but with more control in midfield.
> I don’t think 4th is good enough for the squad we have and we need to
> figure out how to play against the low block.
> What worries me is that the rest of the championship have been given a
> blueprint of how to nullify us.
>
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOSFrom: Richard Walker 
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 10:18:11 PM
> To: Simon McNally ; leeds list (
> leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> Subject: Re: [LU] 2nd half Absolute dogshit. Gruev’s free kick at the end
> summed the game up for me. Just not good enough against a very average West
> Brom team.
> Commentators keep reminded us how devastating we are in attack when if
> truth be known in these last few away games we’re totally toothless.
> What did Piroe offer today ? Nothing
> Very , very disappointing
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2023, 9:48 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> More poor play.
>
> Have we even had a shot?
>
> Another game like Sunderland and PNE where I’m struggling to think of a
> decent save their keeper has had to make.
>
> Not a fan of this plan if chucking on loads of attacking players, seems to
> affect shape / control.
>
> Ffs.
>
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Re: [LU] 2nd half

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Might be a bit premature given the Ipswich result but it’s beginning to feel a 
bit like the end of Bielsa in that teams seem to know how to play against 
Farke’s slow, predictable 159 passes build up play by putting men behind the 
ball and making sure there’s no room to play and then they know they’ll get a 
chance from a set piece or counter and win the game.
Hopefully we’ll stuff Brum and Farke will somehow change his tactics for away 
games.
Darkow - 5. Strangely had nothing to do but what he did was poor.
Spence - 5. Disappointed at his best position but a lot of that might have been 
down to Gnonto who really didn’t help going forwards
Byram- 5. Did ok first half , unlucky with the goal 
Rodon- 7. Battled hard
Cooper - 6. Thought he did ok 
Gruev - 5. It was his best showing for us and he saw a lot of the ball but he 
is just a ball pusher and not a creator.
Ampadu - 6. Worked hard but doesn’t have the creativity 
Gnonto - 4. Should have had a pen but apart from that he looked rusty. Needs 
more game time but probably won’t get it after this.
Summerville- 5. Trying hard but it’s difficult to receive the ball and beat the 
5 men that are lined up in front of you.
Rutter - 6. Ditto but did have some success. Should have scored first half. Not 
a no 9
Piroe - 2. Totally ineffective as our no 10
Subs:James - 7. Made an impact
Bamford - 5 BUT for me he shows there is another option by playing over the top 
and running on to balls. It’s obvious though that Farke isn’t practicing this 
in training though cos we can’t do it at the moment but for me it’s Bamford in 
at no 9 in the New Year.



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On Friday, December 29, 2023, 10:26 pm, Simon McNally  
wrote:

Hope the radio Leeds folks ask Farke some proper questions. 
We lost all pretence of shape after all the attacking subs and to be honest I’m 
as likely to score from the sofa as Bamford was on the pitch.
With the quality of players we have at our disposal that was simply 
unacceptable, as was Preston and Sunderland.
Piroe as a 10 might work at home but in these away games we look short in 
midfield.I’d like to see a midfield trio of Ampadu, Kamara and Gray / Gruev. 
With the available players for the front three we’d still be potent but with 
more control in midfield.
I don’t think 4th is good enough for the squad we have and we need to figure 
out how to play against the low block.
What worries me is that the rest of the championship have been given a 
blueprint of how to nullify us.


Sent from Outlook for iOSFrom: Richard Walker 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 10:18:11 PM
To: Simon McNally ; leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 

Subject: Re: [LU] 2nd half Absolute dogshit. Gruev’s free kick at the end 
summed the game up for me. Just not good enough against a very average West 
Brom team. 
Commentators keep reminded us how devastating we are in attack when if truth be 
known in these last few away games we’re totally toothless. 
What did Piroe offer today ? Nothing 
Very , very disappointing 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, December 29, 2023, 9:48 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:

More poor play.

Have we even had a shot?

Another game like Sunderland and PNE where I’m struggling to think of a decent 
save their keeper has had to make.

Not a fan of this plan if chucking on loads of attacking players, seems to 
affect shape / control.

Ffs.

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Re: [LU] 2nd half

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Hope the radio Leeds folks ask Farke some proper questions.

We lost all pretence of shape after all the attacking subs and to be honest I’m 
as likely to score from the sofa as Bamford was on the pitch.

With the quality of players we have at our disposal that was simply 
unacceptable, as was Preston and Sunderland.

Piroe as a 10 might work at home but in these away games we look short in 
midfield.
I’d like to see a midfield trio of Ampadu, Kamara and Gray / Gruev. With the 
available players for the front three we’d still be potent but with more 
control in midfield.

I don’t think 4th is good enough for the squad we have and we need to figure 
out how to play against the low block.

What worries me is that the rest of the championship have been given a 
blueprint of how to nullify us.



Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Richard Walker 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 10:18:11 PM
To: Simon McNally ; leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 

Subject: Re: [LU] 2nd half

Absolute dogshit. Gruev’s free kick at the end summed the game up for me. Just 
not good enough against a very average West Brom team.

Commentators keep reminded us how devastating we are in attack when if truth be 
known in these last few away games we’re totally toothless.

What did Piroe offer today ? Nothing

Very , very disappointing


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On Friday, December 29, 2023, 9:48 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:

More poor play.

Have we even had a shot?

Another game like Sunderland and PNE where I’m struggling to think of a decent 
save their keeper has had to make.

Not a fan of this plan if chucking on loads of attacking players, seems to 
affect shape / control.

Ffs.

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Re: [LU] 2nd half

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Absolute dogshit. Gruev’s free kick at the end summed the game up for me. Just 
not good enough against a very average West Brom team. 
Commentators keep reminded us how devastating we are in attack when if truth be 
known in these last few away games we’re totally toothless. 
What did Piroe offer today ? Nothing 
Very , very disappointing 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, December 29, 2023, 9:48 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:

More poor play.

Have we even had a shot?

Another game like Sunderland and PNE where I’m struggling to think of a decent 
save their keeper has had to make.

Not a fan of this plan if chucking on loads of attacking players, seems to 
affect shape / control.

Ffs.

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Re: [LU] 2nd half team

[Ian Murray]

Good player IMHO 

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On 20 Jul 2012, at 23:36, "Robert Heath"  wrote:

> Nunez?
> 
> Haven't we got rid of that waster yet?
> 
> On 20 July 2012 21:48, DAVID NATTAN  wrote:
> 
>> : Cairns, L Turner, Killock, Gimpel, Taylor, Byram, Thompson, Lenighan,
>> Payne, Nunez, Paynter
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Re: [LU] 2nd half team

[Robert Heath]

Nunez?

Haven't we got rid of that waster yet?

On 20 July 2012 21:48, DAVID NATTAN  wrote:

> : Cairns, L Turner, Killock, Gimpel, Taylor, Byram, Thompson, Lenighan,
> Payne, Nunez, Paynter
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Re: [LU] 2nd half team

[DAVID NATTAN]

He has just missed a sitter




 From: Nicholas Armit 
To: DAVID NATTAN ; listleedslist 
 
Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012, 20:51
Subject: Re: [LU] 2nd half team
 

Oh God Paynter



 From: DAVID NATTAN 
To: listleedslist  
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: [LU] 2nd half team
 
: Cairns, L Turner, Killock, Gimpel, Taylor, Byram, Thompson, Lenighan, Payne, 
Nunez, Paynter
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Re: [LU] 2nd half team

[Nicholas Armit]

Oh God Paynter



 From: DAVID NATTAN 
To: listleedslist  
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: [LU] 2nd half team
 
: Cairns, L Turner, Killock, Gimpel, Taylor, Byram, Thompson, Lenighan, Payne, 
Nunez, Paynter
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Re: [LU] 2nd half

[Matt Anderson]

That has probably just destroyed rachubka's confidence for gOod! 
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Subject: [LU] 2nd half

Aleks Cairns on for rachubka
Becchio on for Keogh...

All we can expect now is a lot of hoofed balls up to becchio and hopefully
some better keeping  

Regards

Wayne
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