Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 it's all going tits up. U23s beaten today by Crewe. 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[seanscribe--- via Leedslist]

This has been the problem since (roughly) Christmas, if not earlier, last 
season. The bottom line is that the players upon whom Bielsa relies to win the 
ball and keep possession for 90 minutes - the superbly fit, strong players like 
Harrison, Klich, Forshaw, Alioski (and I'd even include Bamford) - are not the 
players who will create loads of good chances, let alone put them away. Forshaw 
hasn't scored for three years! To include more creative, chance-making and 
taking players - Nketiah, Clarke, Costa - in the first XI, Bielsa would have to 
accept a lower percentage of possession. This is something he's clearly 
unwilling to do.
One partial solution to the problem would be to fix our corners. There's been a 
lot of talk about our "problem" conceding from set pieces, but as we've let in 
fewer goals than any other team in the division, this "problem" is only 
relative. If we turned the same percentage of our corners into goals as we 
concede from the opposition's corners, we'd win every game. But Bielsa, for all 
his magic, doesn't seem interested in doing anything other than have Phillips 
thump the ball into the middle of the box for the opposition to head out. I 
can't understand why we don't try short corner routines with 
Pablo/Costa/Clarke/Shackleton playing one-twos along the byline, then sending a 
low, dangerous cross fizzing into the six-yard box.
Cheers!
Sean

-Original Message-
From: John Lee via Leedslist 
To: Ted 
Cc: leedslist 
Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Am I imagining this, or did Bielsa not say at the end of last season that he 
didn’t think these players could do it all again? I think he was using it as 
‘motivation’ when trying to win the last few games, but maybe he was near the 
mark? 

I still think most of our play is enough to get us up, but the approach to 
goal, whether via crossing, shooting or trying to pass it through 7 man 
defences, is THE problem. I don’t even think it’s the ‘fault’ of individual 
players (although Harrison’s crossing drives me nuts!), but the system. That is 
down to the manager, and he has to get to grips with it, otherwise ...



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> On 28 Sep 2019, at 17:48, Ted  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know what the answer is!
> 
> We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going
> for us!
> 
> I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending
> millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
> 
> Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than
> most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be
> entertained!
> 
> So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
> 
> (By the way, Man City's away kit?)
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today
>> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2
>> up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell
>> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the
>> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms
>> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central
>> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he
>> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come
>> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been
>> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he
>> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red
>> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we
>> could have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective
>> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more
>> good positions than anyone,
>> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them
>> and they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time
>> wasting but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have
>> scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two
>> players who are not match fit (Forsha

Re: [LU] Charlton

[nigel]

Yep.  I completely agree.  It is very frustrating that the problems which 
stymied us last season remain our problems today.  The answer?  Someone who can 
get the byline and get a good cross in, without giving the defence time to set 
themselves would seem to be the obvious need.  At the moment, a large 
percentage of our attacks end up with Harrison, who both takes too long to so 
anything with it, and then inevitably his final ball is useless.

I'd prefer to see us a) build from both sides (quickly), and in the short term 
at least I'd try Alioski on the left wing and put our actual left back, Douglas 
in at left back!  If Alioski can manage to keep onside (unlikely I know), then 
I think he'd be more likely to get that pacey, accurate cross in. 

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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To: Ted 
Cc: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Am I imagining this, or did Bielsa not say at the end of last season that he 
didn’t think these players could do it all again? I think he was using it as 
‘motivation’ when trying to win the last few games, but maybe he was near the 
mark? 

I still think most of our play is enough to get us up, but the approach to 
goal, whether via crossing, shooting or trying to pass it through 7 man 
defences, is THE problem. I don’t even think it’s the ‘fault’ of individual 
players (although Harrison’s crossing drives me nuts!), but the system. That is 
down to the manager, and he has to get to grips with it, otherwise ...



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> On 28 Sep 2019, at 17:48, Ted  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know what the answer is!
> 
> We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't 
> going for us!
> 
> I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending 
> millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
> 
> Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining 
> than most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I 
> pay to be entertained!
> 
> So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
> 
> (By the way, Man City's away kit?)
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, < 
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession 
>> and chances to win and there's an argument for that although I 
>> thought today was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's 
>> tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and 
>> played 2 up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned 
>> that and took off Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we 
>> were all over the shop and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's 
>> obvious that he doesn't like doing it but more importantly it's 
>> obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is going on when he's playing. 
>> Instructions were being handed to the players by paper and Bielsa and 
>> his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air frustrated for 
>> most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 2nd half. 
>> Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had no 
>> outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and 
>> that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice 
>> to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He 
>> was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt 
>> and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we could 
>> have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most 
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and 
>> got into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they 
>> had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the 
>> hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting but we could 
>> have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a 
>> ball, two players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a 
>> midfielder in Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. 
>> He was the biggest disappointment today for me and I think his position 
>> should be rethought.
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion 
>> around the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield 
>> second half was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that 
>> an extra attacker means being less effective in midfield - yes I get 
>> that but being totally ineffect

Re: [LU] Charlton

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Am I imagining this, or did Bielsa not say at the end of last season that he 
didn’t think these players could do it all again? I think he was using it as 
‘motivation’ when trying to win the last few games, but maybe he was near the 
mark? 

I still think most of our play is enough to get us up, but the approach to 
goal, whether via crossing, shooting or trying to pass it through 7 man 
defences, is THE problem. I don’t even think it’s the ‘fault’ of individual 
players (although Harrison’s crossing drives me nuts!), but the system. That is 
down to the manager, and he has to get to grips with it, otherwise ...



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> On 28 Sep 2019, at 17:48, Ted  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know what the answer is!
> 
> We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going
> for us!
> 
> I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending
> millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
> 
> Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than
> most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be
> entertained!
> 
> So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
> 
> (By the way, Man City's away kit?)
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today
>> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2
>> up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell
>> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the
>> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms
>> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central
>> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he
>> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come
>> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been
>> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he
>> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red
>> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we
>> could have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective
>> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more
>> good positions than anyone,
>> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them
>> and they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time
>> wasting but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have
>> scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought.
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion
>> around the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second
>> half was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra
>> attacker means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being
>> totally ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions
>> around players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield.
>> Scores:
>> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a
>> ball as low as that.
>> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and
>> every shot was terrible.
>> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that
>> was well saved.
>> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do
>> it very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at
>> corners ?
>> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to
>> defending corners
>> Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really
>> highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His
>> passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the positive side,
>> he did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces
>> were also decent towards the end.
>> Klich - 4. Poor.
>> Costa - 2. Poorer.
>> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but
>> it's just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has
>> to be dropped.
>> Shackleton - 5. He got 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Andy Brown]

It felt like that for most of last season. At the start of the season we seemed 
to score freely enough but got out of the habit later on.  At Reading in about 
March we scored 3 but it should have been 6.

We do have the best goal difference in the division right now.

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> On 29 Sep 2019, at 20:51, Joe Skinner  wrote:
> 
> It does feel like if it all clicks, someone will get a hiding
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29 Sep 2019, at 19:59, Nicholas Armit 
> mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> Depressingly we could have been ahead after 30 seconds if Shackleton had been 
> one foot further forward to meet Bamford's cross
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 08:15:11 AM EDT, Joe Skinner 
> mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Admittedly I missed the first 25mins and the stream cut out twice later but 
> there wasn’t much to watch on the highlights today
> 
> The Costa ‘miss’ and their defender clearing a klich shot late on
> 
> At least no one is running away with the league yet
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 19:19, Richard Naef 
>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
>> someone must have saved them 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> Behalf Of Joe Skinner
>> Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
>> To: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
>> Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
>> 
>> Pretty shit game all round...
>> 
>> All over the shop.
>> 
>> That was just dire
>> 
>> Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?
>> 
>> I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but 
>> fuck me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some observations:
>>> 
>>> - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas.
>>> - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
>>> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
>>> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>>> - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>>> - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
>>> were all over the place second half.
>>> - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
>>> Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
>>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today 
>>> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
>>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
>>> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
>>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
>>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
>>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell 
>>> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the 
>>> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms 
>>> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central 
>>> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he 
>>> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come 
>>> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been 
>>> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he 
>>> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red 
>>> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we 
>>> could have done without.
>>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most
>>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
>>> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
>>> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated t

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Joe Skinner]

It does feel like if it all clicks, someone will get a hiding

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On 29 Sep 2019, at 19:59, Nicholas Armit 
mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Depressingly we could have been ahead after 30 seconds if Shackleton had been 
one foot further forward to meet Bamford's cross

Nick

On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 08:15:11 AM EDT, Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


Admittedly I missed the first 25mins and the stream cut out twice later but 
there wasn’t much to watch on the highlights today

The Costa ‘miss’ and their defender clearing a klich shot late on

At least no one is running away with the league yet

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 19:19, Richard Naef 
> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> 
> wrote:
>
> I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
> someone must have saved them 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of Joe Skinner
> Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
> To: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
> Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
>
> Pretty shit game all round...
>
> All over the shop.
>
> That was just dire
>
> Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?
>
> I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
> me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Some observations:
>>
>>  - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas.
>>  - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
>> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
>> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>>  - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>>  - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
>> were all over the place second half.
>>  - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
>>
>> Nick
>>  On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
>> Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
>> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
>> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
>> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
>> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
>> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
>> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
>> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
>> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start 
>> but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
>> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
>> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
>> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
>> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the hell out of us. 
>> Second half was appalling time wasting but we could have still be playing 
>> all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in 
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought.
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
>> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half 
>> was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker 
>> means being less 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Depressingly we could have been ahead after 30 seconds if Shackleton had been 
one foot further forward to meet Bamford's cross
Nick
On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 08:15:11 AM EDT, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 Admittedly I missed the first 25mins and the stream cut out twice later but 
there wasn’t much to watch on the highlights today

The Costa ‘miss’ and their defender clearing a klich shot late on

At least no one is running away with the league yet 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 19:19, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
> someone must have saved them  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Joe Skinner
> Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
> To: Nicholas Armit 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
> 
> Pretty shit game all round...
> 
> All over the shop.
> 
> That was just dire 
> 
> Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?
> 
> I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
> me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Some observations:
>> 
>>  - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
>>  - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
>>dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
>>slows it right down and then fucks up.
>>  - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>>  - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
>>were all over the place second half. 
>>  - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
>> 
>> Nick
>>  On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
>>Leedslist  wrote:  
>> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
>> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
>> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
>> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
>> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
>> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
>> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
>> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
>> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start 
>> but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
>> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
>> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without. 
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most 
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
>> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
>> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the hell out of us. 
>> Second half was appalling time wasting but we could have still be playing 
>> all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in 
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
>> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half 
>> was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker 
>> means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally 
>> ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around 
>> players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
>> Scores: 
>> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a 
>> ball as low as that. 
>> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Joe Skinner]

Admittedly I missed the first 25mins and the stream cut out twice later but 
there wasn’t much to watch on the highlights today

The Costa ‘miss’ and their defender clearing a klich shot late on

At least no one is running away with the league yet 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 19:19, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
> someone must have saved them  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Joe Skinner
> Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
> To: Nicholas Armit 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
> 
> Pretty shit game all round...
> 
> All over the shop.
> 
> That was just dire 
> 
> Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?
> 
> I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
> me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Some observations:
>> 
>>  - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
>>  - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
>> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
>> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>>  - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>>  - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
>> were all over the place second half. 
>>  - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
>> 
>> Nick
>>   On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
>> Leedslist  wrote:  
>> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
>> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
>> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
>> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
>> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
>> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
>> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
>> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
>> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start 
>> but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
>> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
>> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without. 
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most 
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
>> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
>> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the hell out of us. 
>> Second half was appalling time wasting but we could have still be playing 
>> all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in 
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
>> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half 
>> was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker 
>> means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally 
>> ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around 
>> players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
>> Scores: 
>> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a 
>> ball as low as that. 
>> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
>> shot was terrible. 
>> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that 
>> was well saved. 
>> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 an

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard Naef]

I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
someone must have saved them  

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Joe Skinner
Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
To: Nicholas Armit 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Pretty shit game all round...

All over the shop.

That was just dire 

Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?

I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Some observations:
> 
>   - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
>   - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>   - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>   - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
> were all over the place second half. 
>   - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
> 
> Nick
>On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
> Leedslist  wrote:  
> 
> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start but 
> today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without. 
> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most 
> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the hell out of us. 
> Second half was appalling time wasting but we could have still be playing all 
> night and wouldn't have scored today.
> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in Klich 
> who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half was 
> terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker means 
> being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally 
> ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around 
> players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
> Scores: 
> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a ball 
> as low as that. 
> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
> shot was terrible. 
> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that 
> was well saved. 
> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do it 
> very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at 
> corners ? 
> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution 
> to defending corners Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half 
> which really highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the 
> back. His passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the 
> positive side, he did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. 
> His set pieces were also decent towards the end.
> Klich - 4. Poor. 
> Costa - 2. Poorer. 
> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Joe Skinner]

Pretty shit game all round...

All over the shop.

That was just dire 

Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?

I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Some observations:
> 
>   - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
>   - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>   - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>   - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
> were all over the place second half. 
>   - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
> 
> Nick
>On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
> Leedslist  wrote:  
> 
> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start but 
> today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without. 
> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective 
> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more 
> good positions than anyone, 
> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and 
> they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting 
> but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today. 
> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in Klich 
> who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half was 
> terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker means 
> being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally 
> ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around 
> players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
> Scores: 
> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a ball 
> as low as that. 
> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
> shot was terrible. 
> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that 
> was well saved. 
> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do it 
> very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at 
> corners ? 
> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to 
> defending corners
> Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really 
> highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His 
> passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the positive side, he 
> did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces were 
> also decent towards the end. 
> Klich - 4. Poor. 
> Costa - 2. Poorer. 
> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but it's 
> just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has to be 
> dropped. 
> Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike Derby 
> he didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme. 
> Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day. 
> Subs: 
> Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early. 
> Roberts - 5. One or two nice touches 
> Forshaw - 5. Nearly scored at the end but like all his 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Some observations:
   
   - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
   - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
slows it right down and then fucks up.
   - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
   - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
were all over the place second half. 
   - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.

Nick
On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
 No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was a 
disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop and 
yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like doing it 
but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is going on 
when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by paper and 
Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air frustrated for 
most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 2nd half. Philips 
sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had no outlet in front of 
him. All out play had to come down the wings and that just didn't happen today. 
Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe 
tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - 
all to a red shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player 
today we could have done without. 
On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective 
player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more good 
positions than anyone, 
Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and 
they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting but 
we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today. 
We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in Klich 
who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half was 
terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker means 
being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally ineffective 
in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around players like Klich 
who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
Scores: 
Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a ball 
as low as that. 
Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
shot was terrible. 
Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that was 
well saved. 
Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do it 
very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at corners 
? 
White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to 
defending corners
Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really highlighte 
how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His passing was off 
today with many passes going astray. On the positive side, he did get through a 
hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces were also decent towards 
the end. 
Klich - 4. Poor. 
Costa - 2. Poorer. 
Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but it's 
just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has to be 
dropped. 
Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike Derby he 
didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme. 
Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day. 
Subs: 
Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early. 
Roberts - 5. One or two nice touches 
Forshaw - 5. Nearly scored at the end but like all his chances it was a nearly 
scored. 
This was a worrying performance because we were all over the shop and I'm not 
sure where it all leaves us for Tuesday against the Baggies. 
I'm absolutely gutted. Beer time. 






 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 it was a shambles. 
On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 18:09:25 BST, Nicholas Armit 
 wrote:  
 
  Didn't work did it
On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 11:08:04 AM EDT, Richard Walker via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
  and Forshaw on Allioski off - we're 3 at the back 
is this Plan B ?
    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 16:05:18 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  fuck me 
Eddie and Bamford on for 2nd half - Shackleton off. 
    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 15:54:36 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Same old story - all the possession but their keeper hasn't made a save. 
Bamford should have scored with free header from 5 yards. 
Harrison - does a lot of decent stuff until the last ball which is always 
terrible. He really is struggling with that aspect of his game. 
Costa has disappointed on the right wing. 
The amount of times we get into good positions and the last ball is just 
attrocious. Also there's usually only Bamford in the areas amongst 5 red 
shirts. That tactic aint going to work. 
They're average but they have a bit of pace and that has troubled. Philips in 
particular has had to foul his way out of trouble - he always looks vulnerable 
against pace and he suddenly doesn't look like the future England captain 
anymore. 
Their goal was a corner and you have to say this is becoming a problem now. 
Scrappy goal and another fuck op by Kiko. Why didn't he just catch the ball ? 
Instead he ridiculously tried to punch it out (it was only waist height !) and 
ended up punching against a Charlton player and into the back of hte net. 
lots to do 2nd half. 
think we need Eddie on. 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Didn't work did it
On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 11:08:04 AM EDT, Richard Walker via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
  and Forshaw on Allioski off - we're 3 at the back 
is this Plan B ?
    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 16:05:18 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  fuck me 
Eddie and Bamford on for 2nd half - Shackleton off. 
    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 15:54:36 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Same old story - all the possession but their keeper hasn't made a save. 
Bamford should have scored with free header from 5 yards. 
Harrison - does a lot of decent stuff until the last ball which is always 
terrible. He really is struggling with that aspect of his game. 
Costa has disappointed on the right wing. 
The amount of times we get into good positions and the last ball is just 
attrocious. Also there's usually only Bamford in the areas amongst 5 red 
shirts. That tactic aint going to work. 
They're average but they have a bit of pace and that has troubled. Philips in 
particular has had to foul his way out of trouble - he always looks vulnerable 
against pace and he suddenly doesn't look like the future England captain 
anymore. 
Their goal was a corner and you have to say this is becoming a problem now. 
Scrappy goal and another fuck op by Kiko. Why didn't he just catch the ball ? 
Instead he ridiculously tried to punch it out (it was only waist height !) and 
ended up punching against a Charlton player and into the back of hte net. 
lots to do 2nd half. 
think we need Eddie on. 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Ted]

Absolutely. Frustration is the right word!





On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:51 Richard Walker,  wrote:

> agree Ted. I'm frustrated as hell but if you stand back, the football we
> play at times is brilliant and I just love watching us but I think it's
> clear that the final ball and not converting chances is becoming a real
> problem.
>
> also can we get a better translator for post match , current one sounds
> pissed.
>
> On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 17:48:29 BST, Ted 
> wrote:
>
>
> I really don't know what the answer is!
>
> We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going
> for us!
>
> I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending
> millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
>
> Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than
> most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be
> entertained!
>
> So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
>
> (By the way, Man City's away kit?)
>
> Ted H
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and
> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today
> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2
> up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off
> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop
> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like
> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell
> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the
> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms
> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central
> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he
> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come
> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been
> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he
> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red
> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we
> could have done without.
> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective
> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more
> good positions than anyone,
> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them
> and they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time
> wasting but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have
> scored today.
> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two
> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in
> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest
> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought.
> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion
> around the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second
> half was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra
> attacker means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being
> totally ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions
> around players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield.
> Scores:
> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a
> ball as low as that.
> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and
> every shot was terrible.
> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that
> was well saved.
> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do
> it very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at
> corners ?
> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to
> defending corners
> Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really
> highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His
> passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the positive side,
> he did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces
> were also decent towards the end.
> Klich - 4. Poor.
> Costa - 2. Poorer.
> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but
> it's just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has
> to be dropped.
> Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike
> Derby he didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme.
> Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day.
> Subs:
> Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early.
> Roberts - 5. One or two nice 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 agree Ted. I'm frustrated as hell but if you stand back, the football we play 
at times is brilliant and I just love watching us but I think it's clear that 
the final ball and not converting chances is becoming a real problem. 
also can we get a better translator for post match , current one sounds pissed. 
On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 17:48:29 BST, Ted  
wrote:  
 
 I really don't know what the answer is!
We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going for 
us!
I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending millions 
in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than most 
of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be 
entertained!
So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
(By the way, Man City's away kit?)
Ted H 

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist,  
wrote:

No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and chances 
to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was a disaster 
both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop and 
yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like doing it 
but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is going on 
when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by paper and 
Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air frustrated for 
most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 2nd half. Philips 
sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had no outlet in front of 
him. All out play had to come down the wings and that just didn't happen today. 
Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe 
tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - 
all to a red shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player 
today we could have done without. 
On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective 
player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more good 
positions than anyone, 
Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and 
they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting but 
we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today. 
We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in Klich 
who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half was 
terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker means 
being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally ineffective 
in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around players like Klich 
who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
Scores: 
Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a ball 
as low as that. 
Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
shot was terrible. 
Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that was 
well saved. 
Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do it 
very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at corners 
? 
White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to 
defending corners
Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really highlighte 
how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His passing was off 
today with many passes going astray. On the positive side, he did get through a 
hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces were also decent towards 
the end. 
Klich - 4. Poor. 
Costa - 2. Poorer. 
Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but it's 
just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has to be 
dropped. 
Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike Derby he 
didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme. 
Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day. 
Subs: 
Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early. 
Roberts - 5. One or two nice touches 
Forshaw - 5. Nearly scored at the end but like all his chances it was a nearly 
scored. 
This was a worrying performance because we were all over the shop and I'm not 
sure where it all leaves us for Tuesday against the Baggies. 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Ted]

I really don't know what the answer is!

We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going
for us!

I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending
millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?

Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than
most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be
entertained!

So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!

(By the way, Man City's away kit?)

Ted H


On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and
> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today
> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2
> up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off
> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop
> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like
> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell
> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the
> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms
> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central
> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he
> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come
> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been
> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he
> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red
> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we
> could have done without.
> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective
> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more
> good positions than anyone,
> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them
> and they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time
> wasting but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have
> scored today.
> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two
> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in
> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest
> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought.
> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion
> around the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second
> half was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra
> attacker means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being
> totally ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions
> around players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield.
> Scores:
> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a
> ball as low as that.
> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and
> every shot was terrible.
> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that
> was well saved.
> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do
> it very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at
> corners ?
> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to
> defending corners
> Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really
> highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His
> passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the positive side,
> he did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces
> were also decent towards the end.
> Klich - 4. Poor.
> Costa - 2. Poorer.
> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but
> it's just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has
> to be dropped.
> Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike
> Derby he didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme.
> Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day.
> Subs:
> Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early.
> Roberts - 5. One or two nice touches
> Forshaw - 5. Nearly scored at the end but like all his chances it was a
> nearly scored.
> This was a worrying performance because we were all over the shop and I'm
> not sure where it all leaves us for Tuesday against the Baggies.
> I'm absolutely gutted. Beer time.
>
>
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[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 and Forshaw on Allioski off - we're 3 at the back 
is this Plan B ?
On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 16:05:18 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  fuck me 
Eddie and Bamford on for 2nd half - Shackleton off. 
    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 15:54:36 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Same old story - all the possession but their keeper hasn't made a save. 
Bamford should have scored with free header from 5 yards. 
Harrison - does a lot of decent stuff until the last ball which is always 
terrible. He really is struggling with that aspect of his game. 
Costa has disappointed on the right wing. 
The amount of times we get into good positions and the last ball is just 
attrocious. Also there's usually only Bamford in the areas amongst 5 red 
shirts. That tactic aint going to work. 
They're average but they have a bit of pace and that has troubled. Philips in 
particular has had to foul his way out of trouble - he always looks vulnerable 
against pace and he suddenly doesn't look like the future England captain 
anymore. 
Their goal was a corner and you have to say this is becoming a problem now. 
Scrappy goal and another fuck op by Kiko. Why didn't he just catch the ball ? 
Instead he ridiculously tried to punch it out (it was only waist height !) and 
ended up punching against a Charlton player and into the back of hte net. 
lots to do 2nd half. 
think we need Eddie on. 
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[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 fuck me 
Eddie and Bamford on for 2nd half - Shackleton off. 
On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 15:54:36 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Same old story - all the possession but their keeper hasn't made a save. 
Bamford should have scored with free header from 5 yards. 
Harrison - does a lot of decent stuff until the last ball which is always 
terrible. He really is struggling with that aspect of his game. 
Costa has disappointed on the right wing. 
The amount of times we get into good positions and the last ball is just 
attrocious. Also there's usually only Bamford in the areas amongst 5 red 
shirts. That tactic aint going to work. 
They're average but they have a bit of pace and that has troubled. Philips in 
particular has had to foul his way out of trouble - he always looks vulnerable 
against pace and he suddenly doesn't look like the future England captain 
anymore. 
Their goal was a corner and you have to say this is becoming a problem now. 
Scrappy goal and another fuck op by Kiko. Why didn't he just catch the ball ? 
Instead he ridiculously tried to punch it out (it was only waist height !) and 
ended up punching against a Charlton player and into the back of hte net. 
lots to do 2nd half. 
think we need Eddie on. 
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[Simon McNally]

Agreed.
I was really disappointed - last home game against a team already down after 
some good performances I was hoping for a dominating display.
Sadly , it was a predictable, muted display with very few good chances created. 
I thought botaka didn't see enough of the ball and we spent too much time 
fucking about with the ball at the back.
Hardly a display to help Evans keep his job. Phil Hay seems to think Evans is 
gone - he's had some good results recently but today again showed he is limited 
tactically.
A big summer for the club if we are to be anything other than mid table again.

Simon 

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> On 30 Apr 2016, at 20:03, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Was rubbishplayers and manager did not care, so nor do IWe lost to a team who 
> have been relegated - what more is there to say ?
> Botaka did enough to suggest he should play again next week but whether he 
> will be effective week in week out who knows
> Bamba scored a consolation with a header and Cook had a decent shot late on.
> They were poor but put in 100% effort - we were worse and gave 80% effort if 
> that.
> Boos at half and full time
> Season over so we will see what the close season and next season brings
> A bad way to end a, mainly poor, season 
> 
> Over and out
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[Matt Anderson]

Agreed. I went to borehamwood v guiseley last week and every result went 
against them  and it looked hopeless this week but an amazing nail biting 
finale today

Was more interesting than our game despite my wife being a Charlton fan. She 
hasn't even bothered to gloat which says a lot about both clubs seasons 

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> On plus side nice to see Guiseley escape the drop, though shame it was at 
> Halifax's expense. 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Apr 2016, at 20:03, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> Was rubbishplayers and manager did not care, so nor do IWe lost to a team 
>> who have been relegated - what more is there to say ?
>> Botaka did enough to suggest he should play again next week but whether he 
>> will be effective week in week out who knows
>> Bamba scored a consolation with a header and Cook had a decent shot late on.
>> They were poor but put in 100% effort - we were worse and gave 80% effort if 
>> that.
>> Boos at half and full time
>> Season over so we will see what the close season and next season brings
>> A bad way to end a, mainly poor, season 
>> 
>> Over and out
>> Dave
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[David Woolmer]

On plus side nice to see Guiseley escape the drop, though shame it was at 
Halifax's expense. 


> On 30 Apr 2016, at 20:03, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Was rubbishplayers and manager did not care, so nor do IWe lost to a team who 
> have been relegated - what more is there to say ?
> Botaka did enough to suggest he should play again next week but whether he 
> will be effective week in week out who knows
> Bamba scored a consolation with a header and Cook had a decent shot late on.
> They were poor but put in 100% effort - we were worse and gave 80% effort if 
> that.
> Boos at half and full time
> Season over so we will see what the close season and next season brings
> A bad way to end a, mainly poor, season 
> 
> Over and out
> Dave
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[Dr Michael Benjamin]

Just missed a penalty.  

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On 18 Apr 2015 5:34 pm, davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cellino is of course a devious c*nt who does not give a Flying f+ck about
 the club.

 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
   Original Message
 From: Richard walker
 Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2015 15:16
 To: Ian Murray
 Cc: Leeds List
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

 I always quite liked him and would like to hear his thoughts on what is
 going on at the moment.

 Sent from my iPad

  On 18 Apr 2015, at 15:15, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  They're right of course.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 18 Apr 2015, at 22:12, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 wrote:
 
  And 'Time to go, Massimo'
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
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  Leeds fans singing ' Fuck off to Italy'
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[Richard walker]

I always quite liked him and would like to hear his thoughts on what is going 
on at the moment.

Sent from my iPad

 On 18 Apr 2015, at 15:15, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 They're right of course.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Apr 2015, at 22:12, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 And 'Time to go, Massimo'
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 18 Apr 2015, at 15:08, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
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[Richard walker]

And 'Time to go, Massimo'

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[Ian Murray]

They're right of course.

Sent from my iPhone

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 And 'Time to go, Massimo'
 
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[davidwoolmer]

Cellino is of course a devious c*nt who does not give a Flying f+ck about the 
club.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
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From: Richard walker
Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2015 15:16
To: Ian Murray
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

I always quite liked him and would like to hear his thoughts on what is going 
on at the moment.

Sent from my iPad

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 They're right of course.
 
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 And 'Time to go, Massimo'
 
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Re: [LU] Charlton Tickets

[Jeremy Thorpe]

Sorry forgot to say I'm based in Cambridgeshire

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Behalf Of Jeremy Thorpe
Sent: 16 April 2015 11:20
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Charlton Tickets

I know this is late but I now have two tickets for the Charlton game
available that I can't use.

 

In the home end Family Stand. 1 is adult 60+ the other junior 11.

 

Anyone interested contact me off list.

 

Jezz

 



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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Robinson, Mick]

Greenwich with Niggy  Step is the latest our end.


From: Alan Edgar [mailto:alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:53
To: Matt Anderson; leedslist@gn.apc.org; Robinson, Mick; 
davidwool...@gmail.com; niggy.gouldsboro...@manchester.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Good - they'll be supporting whoever Charlton are playing then !

Cheers,

Al


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.netmailto:m...@leeds-united.net
To: 'Alan Edgar' alan.ed...@yahoo.co.ukmailto:alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk; 
leedslist@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015, 12:49
Subject: RE: [LU] Charlton

My local!

Run by Palace fans


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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org 
[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of Alan Edgar
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:48
To: leedslist@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Suggestion for a pub on Saturday morning - The Plume of Feathers.
http://www.plumeoffeathers-greenwich.co.uk/

It's 5 mins walk from Maze Hill which is 10 mins from London Bridge and the 
station before Charlton so we could stay in the pub until around 2.30 - real 
ales and a beer garden.
Nothing against Hole in the Wall but ... Cheers,

Al

From: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.commailto:mick.robin...@miq.com
To: David W davidwool...@gmail.commailto:davidwool...@gmail.com, leedslist 
leedslist@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us

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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org 
[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.netmailto:m...@leeds-united.net
To: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.commailto:mick.robin...@miq.com
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan.

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every taste.


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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Matt]

Was only way to see a team in white win a game. 

Matt

 On 14 Apr 2015, at 12:42, David W davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a
 thing any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.
 
 Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop
 careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Alan Edgar]

Good - they'll be supporting whoever Charlton are playing then ! Cheers,

Al
  From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
 To: 'Alan Edgar' alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015, 12:49
 Subject: RE: [LU] Charlton
   
My local!

Run by Palace fans




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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of Alan Edgar
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:48
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Suggestion for a pub on Saturday morning - The Plume of Feathers.
http://www.plumeoffeathers-greenwich.co.uk/

It's 5 mins walk from Maze Hill which is 10 mins from London Bridge and the 
station before Charlton so we could stay in the pub until around 2.30 - real 
ales and a beer garden.
Nothing against Hole in the Wall but ... Cheers,

Al

From: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
To: David W davidwool...@gmail.com, leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan.

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every taste.

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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Matt Anderson]

My local! 

Run by Palace fans


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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of Alan Edgar
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:48
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Suggestion for a pub on Saturday morning - The Plume of Feathers.
http://www.plumeoffeathers-greenwich.co.uk/

It's 5 mins walk from Maze Hill which is 10 mins from London Bridge and the 
station before Charlton so we could stay in the pub until around 2.30 - real 
ales and a beer garden.
Nothing against Hole in the Wall but ... Cheers,

Al

From: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
To: David W davidwool...@gmail.com, leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us 

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan. 

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly 

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every taste.
  
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Alan Edgar]

Mick,
Maze Hill is also the station after Greenwich.
Cheers,

Al
  From: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
 To: Alan Edgar alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk; Matt Anderson 
m...@leeds-united.net; leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org; 
davidwool...@gmail.com davidwool...@gmail.com; 
niggy.gouldsboro...@manchester.ac.uk niggy.gouldsboro...@manchester.ac.uk 
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From: Alan Edgar [mailto:alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:53
To: Matt Anderson; leedslist@gn.apc.org; Robinson, Mick; 
davidwool...@gmail.com; niggy.gouldsboro...@manchester.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton    Good - they'll be supporting whoever Charlton are 
playing then !   Cheers,    Al    From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: 'Alan Edgar' alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk;leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015, 12:49
Subject: RE: [LU] Charlton 
My local!

Run by Palace fans    
-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of Alan Edgar
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:48
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Suggestion for a pub on Saturday morning - The Plume of Feathers.
http://www.plumeoffeathers-greenwich.co.uk/

It's 5 mins walk from Maze Hill which is 10 mins from London Bridge and the 
station before Charlton so we could stay in the pub until around 2.30 - real 
ales and a beer garden.
Nothing against Hole in the Wall but ... Cheers,

Al

From: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
To: David W davidwool...@gmail.com, leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan.

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every 
taste. 

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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard walker]

Some bloke called Gnoyi or someat like that is playing He's shit.
Philips dropped after scoring on his home debut. Maybe some of us do know best?
They've just missed a pen. 
Beccho nowhere to be seen - great move that was for the lad. 
Luke Murphy is a toilet.

Sent from my iPhone 

 On 14 Apr 2015, at 17:42, David W davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a
 thing any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.
 
 Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop
 careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.
 
 Al E, you heading along?
 
 Cheers,
 
 David
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Robinson, Mick]

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us 

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Matt Anderson]

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan. 

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly 

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every 
taste. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 14 Apr 2015, at 21:02, Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com wrote:
 
 We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
 home fans only.
 
 I think Niggy  Al will be joining us 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
 Behalf Of David W
 Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
 To: leedslist
 Subject: [LU] Charlton
 
 Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
 any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.
 
 Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
 careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.
 
 Al E, you heading along?
 
 Cheers,
 
 David
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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[MATTHEW GAYNOR]

Probably need a bit of experience to hold onto the leads.

And look who just became available


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29911967

A true Leeds 'legend'

Matt




 From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 19:14
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 

Quite like the look of the line up, lets hope Redder's has got it right. I 
worringly feel quite good about this game.
Best,
Jeremy

 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 18:54:26 +
 From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 
 Not bad
 
 
 Bianchi instead of Dawson otherwise correct.
 Very young midfield nonetheless.
 
 Warnock captain
 
 Guess Redfearn is exerting his authority.  (Be sacked tomorrow)
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 
  From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 16:25
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
  
 
  
  Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
 Cooper
  in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
 for?
  Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?
 
 Silvestri
 Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
 Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
 Antenucci
 
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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[phillshields]

Some wankers played for us and he may just be the biggest.

MOT


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Probably need a bit of experience to hold onto the leads.

And look who just became available


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29911967

A true Leeds 'legend'

Matt




 From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 19:14
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game


Quite like the look of the line up, lets hope Redder's has got it right. I 
worringly feel quite good about this game.
Best,
Jeremy

 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 18:54:26 +
 From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game

 Not bad


 Bianchi instead of Dawson otherwise correct.
 Very young midfield nonetheless.

 Warnock captain

 Guess Redfearn is exerting his authority.  (Be sacked tomorrow)

 Matt



 
  From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 16:25
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 

 
  Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
 Cooper
  in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
 for?
  Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?

 Silvestri
 Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
 Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
 Antenucci

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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[John Lee]

I remember when he flicked the v's at the Kop - that was the end of him at 
Leeds. Frightening to hear him say he gets out of breath crossing the street, 
cos it was like watching a suped-up snail even at his peak!  

 On Wednesday, 5 November 2014, 11:17, MATTHEW GAYNOR 
matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com wrote:
   

 Probably need a bit of experience to hold onto the leads.

And look who just became available


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29911967

A true Leeds 'legend'

Matt




 From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 19:14
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 

Quite like the look of the line up, lets hope Redder's has got it right. I 
worringly feel quite good about this game.
Best,
Jeremy

 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 18:54:26 +
 From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 
 Not bad
 
 
 Bianchi instead of Dawson otherwise correct.
 Very young midfield nonetheless.
 
 Warnock captain
 
 Guess Redfearn is exerting his authority.  (Be sacked tomorrow)
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 
  From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 16:25
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
  
 
  
  Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
 Cooper
  in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
 for?
  Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?
 
 Silvestri
 Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
 Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
 Antenucci
 
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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[Richard Naef]

 
 Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
Cooper
 in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
for?
 Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?

Silvestri
Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
Antenucci

Sloth Beradi Montenegro Tonge Taylor Hunt Del Fabro

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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[MATTHEW GAYNOR]

Not bad


Bianchi instead of Dawson otherwise correct.
Very young midfield nonetheless.

Warnock captain

Guess Redfearn is exerting his authority.  (Be sacked tomorrow)

Matt




 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 16:25
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 

 
 Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
Cooper
 in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
for?
 Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?

Silvestri
Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
Antenucci

Sloth Beradi Montenegro Tonge Taylor Hunt Del Fabro
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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[Jeremy Adams]

Quite like the look of the line up, lets hope Redder's has got it right. I 
worringly feel quite good about this game.
Best,
Jeremy

 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 18:54:26 +
 From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 
 Not bad
 
 
 Bianchi instead of Dawson otherwise correct.
 Very young midfield nonetheless.
 
 Warnock captain
 
 Guess Redfearn is exerting his authority.  (Be sacked tomorrow)
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 
  From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 16:25
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
  
 
  
  Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
 Cooper
  in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
 for?
  Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?
 
 Silvestri
 Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
 Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
 Antenucci
 
 Sloth Beradi Montenegro Tonge Taylor Hunt Del Fabro
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Re: [LU] Charlton report

[Ted]

Agree with all of that Dave.  According to the radio on the way back, it
was Bellusci who was all over one of their players for the penalty.  Adam
Pope said it technically was a penalty but how many of that type are not
given week in week out?
Bellusci - I see flashes but the bloke's a liability!
Also thought Bianchi had a poor game.  Could Redders drop the Italians?

Two good goals for us, undone by sloppy defending/goalkeeping.

We're starting to need to turn the corner - we must get 3 points on
Saturday.

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Charlton Away

[Joe Skinner]

Yeah, I had quite a good view where I was sat, so it started:

Kenny

Lees -- Erm 1 --- Erm 2 -

PeltierPugh

Austin--Brown---Murphy---

--Blackstock--Ross


I can see why he's playing 3-5-2 as it lends itself to 5-3-2 and gives you 3 
central defenders and 3 central midfielders to plug up the middle but for most 
of the game the line up was more:

Kenny
Peltier-Lees - Lithuanian --- Erm 2 Pugh
-Brown-
Austin-Murphy
Ross--
Blackstock-

And even, for long spells

Kenny
--Peltier--Lees - Lithuanian - Erm 2 -Pugh--
-Brown-
Austin-Murphy-Ross

---Massive gap


--Blackstock/Smith---



Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:12:04 +
From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Away
To: jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org

Our line up was a bit weird.
Pugh seemed to think he was playing left wing back but on the other side 
Peltier didnt really get forward much and had Rudy in front of him for most of 
the game - which was a bit of a waste as we could have done with his 'motor' in 
the middle of the pitch - which was largely left to Brown and Murphy.
Despite the groans when we found out he was playing - this was probably the one 
game you would pick Michael Brown for - pretty attritional in a bog and he did 
Ok as did Pugh.
Its difficult to say we were the better team but i guess we adapted fairly well 
- whilst Charlton kept trying to pass it around the morass of a pitch and it 
rarely flowed. We know we're not good enough for that and so concentrated on 
hitting
 areas a bit more.
Despite the pitch 2 of McCormacks goals (3rd and 4th were very good) as was 
their first.Their 2nd was frantically shambolic defending - too scared of 
giving away a penalty to actually tackle anyone. Our penalty also looked a bit 
soft.
McCormack was clearly the hero - though honorary mentions to Rudy, Brown and 
Murphy.We thought the last time a Leeds player had got 4 was Smith in Florence 
- but it turns out it was actually Brian Deane v QPR - Danny Pugh is the common 
link between those games.
Matt

From: Joe Skinner jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com

It was bad last year and seemed to have got worse, it was raining but not that 
much, I think the problem is that it's literally in a valley. Bit weird having 
a delayed kick off but didn't seem to dim our fans' enthusiasm. Massive bits of 
the pitch were under water or mud and the ball stuck a lot.

Almost Ironically, this hindered them not us. They try and play football but 
are a bit lightweight. They still have a midfielder at right back - something I 
wasn't really sure why we never targeted properly. 

We lined up 3-5-2, . We were
 5-3-2 half the time.

  
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Re: [LU] Charlton Away

[Richard Naef]

erm1  erm 2 = Wooton  Pearce

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Richard

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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Skinner
Sent: 11 November 2013 08:44
To: MATTHEW GAYNOR; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Away

Yeah, I had quite a good view where I was sat, so it started:

Kenny

Lees -- Erm 1 --- Erm 2 -

PeltierPugh

Austin--Brown---Murphy---

--Blackstock--Ross


I can see why he's playing 3-5-2 as it lends itself to 5-3-2 and gives you 3
central defenders and 3 central midfielders to plug up the middle but for
most of the game the line up was more:

Kenny
Peltier-Lees - Lithuanian --- Erm 2 Pugh
-Brown-
Austin-Murphy
Ross--
Blackstock-

And even, for long spells

Kenny
--Peltier--Lees - Lithuanian - Erm 2 -Pugh--
-Brown-
Austin-Murphy-Ross

---Massive gap


--Blackstock/Smith---





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Re: [LU] charlton

[Richard walker]

I'm liking your 3-5-2 but your 4-4-2 would result in certain defeat.

Without Byram I don't fancy our chances.

Sent from my iPad

 On 8 Nov 2013, at 20:08, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 Looking forward to a wet day out at Charlton tomorrow,
 
 
 
 BmcD has some choices to make as it looks as if Byram and Warnock are out.
 I'd like to see Diouf and Blackstock included, but might be a tad
 adventurous?
 
 
 
 3-5-2?  
 
 
 
 Paddy
 
 
 
 Wotton Lukakis Lees
 
 
 
 Diouff  Austin Murphy Mowatt  Tonge
 
 
 
 Mccormick Blackstock 
 
 
 
 or
 
 
 
 4-4-2?
 
 
 
 Paddy
 
 
 
 Pugh Zaliukas Wooton Peltier
 
 
 
 Austin Murphy Mowatt  Tonge
 
 
 
 Mccormick Blackstock 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] charlton

[Simon Austin]

From the Leeds on the Road event tonight, someone asked about Diouf not
playing much - McDermott (or McDerMOTt, as the schedule had him)
basically said he missed pre-season, he's been off on international
duty, been on compassionate leave and he'll not make it through a match.
So he prefers to play younger players. Eddie suggested later that he
can't run any more (he compared him to Robbie Fowler), and since Leeds
have signed up with Prozone to track how much players run in a game,
this may have some bearing on things.

- Si

On 08/11/13 20:08, Richard Naef wrote:
 BmcD has some choices to make as it looks as if Byram and Warnock are out.
 I'd like to see Diouf and Blackstock included, but might be a tad
 adventurous?


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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Nicholas Armit]

Ah but Eddie Gray and the other announcer said 17,000 is good for other teams 
and there was probably good stuff on tv (he really did say something of the 
sort).

Total refusal to admit something is not right at ER.




 From: David Nattan nat...@sky.com
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:36 AM
Subject: [LU] Charlton
 
I will keep it short and (not so) sweet - last night was very poor indeed,
2 average teams playing poorly in a game devoid of goal mouth action and
incident.
Neither team deserved more than a point in a dire game played in front of a
small and very disinterested crowd
The crowd, once again, gives the lie to the 'reduce prices and the place
will be packed' argument. It was a Cat C (£20 cheapest with the possibility
of getting £5 off if you know a ST holder) and yet less than 18k bothered.

Norris was OK, Diouf showed bits of class, Byram looked tired and is wasted
at full back, Becchio, Brown and Varney were all poor.

We failed once again to keep a clean sheet

I was disappointed that Hall did not get a run out - he is supposed to have
pace and the ability to take players on. If he is not ready why did we let
Poleon go to Bury ?

Hopefully Austin will be back on Saturday to add a bit of drive and energy
into the team

The goal was reasonable - Byram was chopped down but the ref played on as
the ball came to Brown, he crossed it into the box and Varney rose well and
headed it down towards Norris who turned and hit a good shot that the
keeper had no chance with. That was pretty much our only shot on target all
game.
The equaliser was poor defending - we let them pass it along the edge of
our area unchallenged and then one of them shot through a crowd of players
and the ball  found its way into the bottom corner.
They were no better than us and they only had 2 other chances of note - one
where Lees(?) miscued it onto the bar , very close to an own goal and then
Kenny made a good save right at the death to save a point.

Lets hope for a massive improvement on Saturday and we can get revenge for
last years hammering at the hands of their tall lad

Dave
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Wayne]

Eddie Gray also said
Can't see them scoring.. Which he says every week, just before they score.. 



Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:

Ah but Eddie Gray and the other announcer said 17,000 is good for other
teams and there was probably good stuff on tv (he really did say
something of the sort).

Total refusal to admit something is not right at ER.




 From: David Nattan nat...@sky.com
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:36 AM
Subject: [LU] Charlton
 
I will keep it short and (not so) sweet - last night was very poor
indeed,
2 average teams playing poorly in a game devoid of goal mouth action
and
incident.
Neither team deserved more than a point in a dire game played in front
of a
small and very disinterested crowd
The crowd, once again, gives the lie to the 'reduce prices and the
place
will be packed' argument. It was a Cat C (£20 cheapest with the
possibility
of getting £5 off if you know a ST holder) and yet less than 18k
bothered.

Norris was OK, Diouf showed bits of class, Byram looked tired and is
wasted
at full back, Becchio, Brown and Varney were all poor.

We failed once again to keep a clean sheet

I was disappointed that Hall did not get a run out - he is supposed to
have
pace and the ability to take players on. If he is not ready why did we
let
Poleon go to Bury ?

Hopefully Austin will be back on Saturday to add a bit of drive and
energy
into the team

The goal was reasonable - Byram was chopped down but the ref played on
as
the ball came to Brown, he crossed it into the box and Varney rose well
and
headed it down towards Norris who turned and hit a good shot that the
keeper had no chance with. That was pretty much our only shot on target
all
game.
The equaliser was poor defending - we let them pass it along the edge
of
our area unchallenged and then one of them shot through a crowd of
players
and the ball  found its way into the bottom corner.
They were no better than us and they only had 2 other chances of note -
one
where Lees(?) miscued it onto the bar , very close to an own goal and
then
Kenny made a good save right at the death to save a point.

Lets hope for a massive improvement on Saturday and we can get revenge
for
last years hammering at the hands of their tall lad

Dave
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