Re: [LU] D Day
I know what you’re saying Dave, but I don’t agree that today will decide how we remember Bielsa. It will decide whether it was ‘all for nought’. The first 3 years brought us both brilliant football, and a sense of pride in the way it was achieved: he showed that it was still possible to do things the right way on and off the field. To me there was an element of grace to it - not a word often associated with Leeds. JM doesn’t bring that and whatever the results today (and it is a 38 game season) it is unfair to expect that from him. Staying up being the natural / default desire of any team in our position, but without massive change it will likely mean we will be in for another season like this one…without our best players. Going down might give us a better season to watch as a supporter. To be honest though, what I’ll miss if we do go down is the joy not the ‘status’, and that has gone either way. Nick Sent from my iPad > On 22 May 2022, at 10:20, nattan--- via Leedslist > wrote: > > Well today is D day for Bielsa and his legacy - does he go down in history > as the man who got us back on track or just as a 3 season oasis in a sea of > mediocrity?I will always admire and respect him and he will go down as my > favourite ever manager ( 31 and counting) both for what he did on the pitch > and his persona and behaviour off it ( like Chile fans I count myself as a > Bielsa 'widow') . However relegation today makes his football achievements as > just a footnote. > There is no point debating if he would have kept us up although one of my > concerns for today is the fact that Marsch only has one result that was > unexpected- a victory at wolves away- and I am not sure how much credit he > actually deserves for that one?Wins over Norwich and Watford are to be > expected, as are defeats v Man city, Chelsea and Arsenal, so it is whether > the draws v Southampton, Palace and Brighton are good points or should and > would have been better under Bielsa - but as I say a pointless debate. All > that counts now is what happens today - if we stay up I will give Jesse the > credit and hope he goes on to better things with us, and I will also thank > him for protecting Bielsa's legacy , if we go down then the blame is to be > spread around . > I want us to stay up but as my wife keeps saying " you enjoyed the > championship, you will win more, and you will be going to games whatever so > it makes little difference " - all true , but fuck me, relegation will hurt > Dave > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] D Day
It won't yet be ‘all for nought’ if we go down today. We would still have the parachute payments to give us a big advantage in the 2022/3 Championship season, which we wouldn't have had if we had never gone up. We'd still have to come back up inside a two seasons max, but surely if clubs like Norwich, Fulham and Bournemouth can do it we can. Can't we? -- Original Message -- From: "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" To: "nat...@sky.com" Cc: "leeds list" Sent: Sunday, 22 May, 22 At 10:46 Subject: Re: [LU] D Day I know what you’re saying Dave, but I don’t agree that today will decide how we remember Bielsa. It will decide whether it was ‘all for nought’. The first 3 years brought us both brilliant football, and a sense of pride in the way it was achieved: he showed that it was still possible to do things the right way on and off the field. To me there was an element of grace to it - not a word often associated with Leeds. JM doesn’t bring that and whatever the results today (and it is a 38 game season) it is unfair to expect that from him. Staying up being the natural / default desire of any team in our position, but without massive change it will likely mean we will be in for another season like this one…without our best players. Going down might give us a better season to watch as a supporter. To be honest though, what I’ll miss if we do go down is the joy not the ‘status’, and that has gone either way. Nick Sent from my iPad On 22 May 2022, at 10:20, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote: Well today is D day for Bielsa and his legacy - does he go down in history as the man who got us back on track or just as a 3 season oasis in a sea of mediocrity?I will always admire and respect him and he will go down as my favourite ever manager ( 31 and counting) both for what he did on the pitch and his persona and behaviour off it ( like Chile fans I count myself as a Bielsa 'widow') . However relegation today makes his football achievements as just a footnote. There is no point debating if he would have kept us up although one of my concerns for today is the fact that Marsch only has one result that was unexpected- a victory at wolves away- and I am not sure how much credit he actually deserves for that one?Wins over Norwich and Watford are to be expected, as are defeats v Man city, Chelsea and Arsenal, so it is whether the draws v Southampton, Palace and Brighton are good points or should and would have been better under Bielsa - but as I say a pointless debate. All that counts now is what happens today - if we stay up I will give Jesse the credit and hope he goes on to better things with us, and I will also thank him for protecting Bielsa's legacy , if we go down then the blame is to be spread around . I want us to stay up but as my wife keeps saying " you enjoyed the championship, you will win more, and you will be going to games whatever so it makes little difference " - all true , but fuck me, relegation will hurt Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist <https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ <https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist <https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ <https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] D Day
Having resigned myself to relegation, what a strange, and very un-Leeds, outcome. > On 22 May 2022, at 10:46, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" > wrote: > > I know what you’re saying Dave, but I don’t agree that today will decide how > we remember Bielsa. It will decide whether it was ‘all for nought’. > > The first 3 years brought us both brilliant football, and a sense of pride in > the way it was achieved: he showed that it was still possible to do things > the right way on and off the field. To me there was an element of grace to it > - not a word often associated with Leeds. > > JM doesn’t bring that and whatever the results today (and it is a 38 game > season) it is unfair to expect that from him. Staying up being the natural / > default desire of any team in our position, but without massive change it > will likely mean we will be in for another season like this one…without our > best players. Going down might give us a better season to watch as a > supporter. > > To be honest though, what I’ll miss if we do go down is the joy not the > ‘status’, and that has gone either way. > > Nick > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 22 May 2022, at 10:20, nattan--- via Leedslist >> wrote: >> >> Well today is D day for Bielsa and his legacy - does he go down in history >> as the man who got us back on track or just as a 3 season oasis in a sea of >> mediocrity?I will always admire and respect him and he will go down as my >> favourite ever manager ( 31 and counting) both for what he did on the pitch >> and his persona and behaviour off it ( like Chile fans I count myself as a >> Bielsa 'widow') . However relegation today makes his football achievements >> as just a footnote. >> There is no point debating if he would have kept us up although one of my >> concerns for today is the fact that Marsch only has one result that was >> unexpected- a victory at wolves away- and I am not sure how much credit he >> actually deserves for that one?Wins over Norwich and Watford are to be >> expected, as are defeats v Man city, Chelsea and Arsenal, so it is whether >> the draws v Southampton, Palace and Brighton are good points or should and >> would have been better under Bielsa - but as I say a pointless debate. All >> that counts now is what happens today - if we stay up I will give Jesse the >> credit and hope he goes on to better things with us, and I will also thank >> him for protecting Bielsa's legacy , if we go down then the blame is to be >> spread around . >> I want us to stay up but as my wife keeps saying " you enjoyed the >> championship, you will win more, and you will be going to games whatever >> so it makes little difference " - all true , but fuck me, relegation will >> hurt >> Dave >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ >> >> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
