Re: [LU] Liverpool.. maybe my last words here
Regardless of opinions and we all have them, for me Liverpool have been the best team this year and deserve to win the League as the best footballing team and I hope they do and I hope Everton get into top 4 too. When I moved to Liverpool in 1971 at age 5 from Scotland and chose an English team it was obviously Leeds because we were the best and had some Scottish players obviously and my mate Kevin supported them and Liverpool were not destined to be huge for 20 years were they? I stayed Leeds loyal all these years because I am a stubborn twat.. a similar trait with several here although you may have been born in Leeds so have no choice... I have lived in the Middle East for the last 22 years... FYI. There was a recent BBC thread on Leeds on what happened from an author who pointed out that all Leeds fans do is moan, why us, why this why that etc. What has happened to Leeds United? Part of my joy of this list is the eternal pessimism whether we win lose or draw, it somehow makes my life better to know the pain we all go through week in week out. but we get through it. It is an obvious difficult issue when people are killed at any ground for any team or any fan and yes I agree I have many scouser friends who are now constantly giving me the Hillsborough 96 blah blah, but the fact is it happened and no matter how you want to paint it people died right or wrong. Turkey scum, Arsenal scum, Liverpool scum... seriously guys? seriously? people died. I thought we were football fans? Anfield is one of the only grounds I have ever gone to where the fans stand up and actually applaud a team who beat them, they are fans like us who recognise skills and ability and talent and support their team winning or losing. Fuck me we won the league since they last did I lost a mate at Hillsborough, a school friend who in fairness I had not seen for many years but nevertheless he is gone. we all have a laugh here but sometimes just sometimes maybe we should think about our comments and that includes me. Leeds has had a tough time, my mate Rick took over Radio Yorkshire in November and asked me to run the sports section for footy and rugby league, he meets and met Ken Bates on many occasions and I was in Leeds less than two months ago, fuck me I have some stories but it would compromise him and he is my mate, maybe one time I will tell you some stories.. not now. By the way I couldn't do it but didn't post it here whilst I was in negotiations. I wish them well regardless of your comments that may follow here. Not sure how this missive will be received.. maybe time to retire. I'm not asking for any sensitive oh poor you shit comments here but maybe a little humility from some of the generic crass comments that normally come from some of the regulars... x MOT and I mean together, Andy ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Liverpool.. maybe my last words here
Wonderful post,Andy. Michael On 20 Apr 2014 02:47, "Andy Pyzer" wrote: > Regardless of opinions and we all have them, for me Liverpool have been > the best team this year and deserve to win the League as the best > footballing team and I hope they do and I hope Everton get into top 4 too. > > When I moved to Liverpool in 1971 at age 5 from Scotland and chose an > English team it was obviously Leeds because we were the best and had some > Scottish players obviously and my mate Kevin supported them and > Liverpool were not destined to be huge for 20 years were they? I stayed > Leeds loyal all these years because I am a stubborn twat.. a similar trait > with several here although you may have been born in Leeds so have no > choice... I have lived in the Middle East for the last 22 years... FYI. > > There was a recent BBC thread on Leeds on what happened from an author who > pointed out that all Leeds fans do is moan, why us, why this why that etc. > What has happened to Leeds United? Part of my joy of this list is the > eternal pessimism whether we win lose or draw, it somehow makes my life > better to know the pain we all go through week in week out. but we get > through it. > > It is an obvious difficult issue when people are killed at any ground for > any team or any fan and yes I agree I have many scouser friends who are now > constantly giving me the Hillsborough 96 blah blah, but the fact is it > happened and no matter how you want to paint it people died right or wrong. > Turkey scum, Arsenal scum, Liverpool scum... seriously guys? seriously? > people died. > > I thought we were football fans? Anfield is one of the only grounds I have > ever gone to where the fans stand up and actually applaud a team who beat > them, they are fans like us who recognise skills and ability and talent and > support their team winning or losing. Fuck me we won the league since they > last did > > I lost a mate at Hillsborough, a school friend who in fairness I had not > seen for many years but nevertheless he is gone. we all have a laugh here > but sometimes just sometimes maybe we should think about our comments and > that includes me. > > Leeds has had a tough time, my mate Rick took over Radio Yorkshire in > November and asked me to run the sports section for footy and rugby league, > he meets and met Ken Bates on many occasions and I was in Leeds less than > two months ago, fuck me I have some stories but it would compromise him and > he is my mate, maybe one time I will tell you some stories.. not now. By > the way I couldn't do it but didn't post it here whilst I was in > negotiations. I wish them well regardless of your comments that may > follow here. > > Not sure how this missive will be received.. maybe time to retire. I'm not > asking for any sensitive oh poor you shit comments here but maybe a little > humility from some of the generic crass comments that normally come from > some of the regulars... x > > MOT and I mean together, Andy > > > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > Rest In Peace old lad > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Liverpool.. maybe my last words here
The 96 who died at Hillsborough will always have a place in every footy supporter's hearts. There's no doubt about it they were innocent victims of a number of events that afternoon. That for me doesn't change my opinion of Liverpool, the city and its fans . The knife merchants and utter lowlife but out of respect for the 96 I will now shut up and keep my stories to myself. Most people know the score when it cones to Scousers and the b'stards are still storming gates and getting in without tickets today. > On 20 Apr 2014, at 00:33, Andy Pyzer wrote: > > Regardless of opinions and we all have them, for me Liverpool have been the > best team this year and deserve to win the League as the best footballing > team and I hope they do and I hope Everton get into top 4 too. > > When I moved to Liverpool in 1971 at age 5 from Scotland and chose an English > team it was obviously Leeds because we were the best and had some Scottish > players obviously and my mate Kevin supported them and Liverpool were not > destined to be huge for 20 years were they? I stayed Leeds loyal all these > years because I am a stubborn twat.. a similar trait with several here > although you may have been born in Leeds so have no choice... I have lived in > the Middle East for the last 22 years... FYI. > > There was a recent BBC thread on Leeds on what happened from an author who > pointed out that all Leeds fans do is moan, why us, why this why that etc. > What has happened to Leeds United? Part of my joy of this list is the eternal > pessimism whether we win lose or draw, it somehow makes my life better to > know the pain we all go through week in week out. but we get through it. > > It is an obvious difficult issue when people are killed at any ground for any > team or any fan and yes I agree I have many scouser friends who are now > constantly giving me the Hillsborough 96 blah blah, but the fact is it > happened and no matter how you want to paint it people died right or wrong. > Turkey scum, Arsenal scum, Liverpool scum... seriously guys? seriously? > people died. > > I thought we were football fans? Anfield is one of the only grounds I have > ever gone to where the fans stand up and actually applaud a team who beat > them, they are fans like us who recognise skills and ability and talent and > support their team winning or losing. Fuck me we won the league since they > last did > > I lost a mate at Hillsborough, a school friend who in fairness I had not seen > for many years but nevertheless he is gone. we all have a laugh here but > sometimes just sometimes maybe we should think about our comments and that > includes me. > > Leeds has had a tough time, my mate Rick took over Radio Yorkshire in > November and asked me to run the sports section for footy and rugby league, > he meets and met Ken Bates on many occasions and I was in Leeds less than two > months ago, fuck me I have some stories but it would compromise him and he is > my mate, maybe one time I will tell you some stories.. not now. By the way I > couldn't do it but didn't post it here whilst I was in negotiations. I > wish them well regardless of your comments that may follow here. > > Not sure how this missive will be received.. maybe time to retire. I'm not > asking for any sensitive oh poor you shit comments here but maybe a little > humility from some of the generic crass comments that normally come from some > of the regulars... x > > MOT and I mean together, Andy > > > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > Rest In Peace old lad > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Liverpool.. maybe my last words here
I always remember going to our 1-0 defeat at Chelsea the saturday after Hillsborough. Someone had tied a Leeds and a Liverpool scarf together and fixed them to the fencing at the front of the Leeds end. A classy and at the time poignant gesture. The only reason I don't want them to win the league this year is that younger football fans are always amazed when I inform them that Leeds were champions more recently than Liverpool! Jonathan Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Apr 2014, at 00:33, Andy Pyzer wrote: > > Regardless of opinions and we all have them, for me Liverpool have been the > best team this year and deserve to win the League as the best footballing > team and I hope they do and I hope Everton get into top 4 too. > > When I moved to Liverpool in 1971 at age 5 from Scotland and chose an English > team it was obviously Leeds because we were the best and had some Scottish > players obviously and my mate Kevin supported them and Liverpool were not > destined to be huge for 20 years were they? I stayed Leeds loyal all these > years because I am a stubborn twat.. a similar trait with several here > although you may have been born in Leeds so have no choice... I have lived in > the Middle East for the last 22 years... FYI. > > There was a recent BBC thread on Leeds on what happened from an author who > pointed out that all Leeds fans do is moan, why us, why this why that etc. > What has happened to Leeds United? Part of my joy of this list is the eternal > pessimism whether we win lose or draw, it somehow makes my life better to > know the pain we all go through week in week out. but we get through it. > > It is an obvious difficult issue when people are killed at any ground for any > team or any fan and yes I agree I have many scouser friends who are now > constantly giving me the Hillsborough 96 blah blah, but the fact is it > happened and no matter how you want to paint it people died right or wrong. > Turkey scum, Arsenal scum, Liverpool scum... seriously guys? seriously? > people died. > > I thought we were football fans? Anfield is one of the only grounds I have > ever gone to where the fans stand up and actually applaud a team who beat > them, they are fans like us who recognise skills and ability and talent and > support their team winning or losing. Fuck me we won the league since they > last did > > I lost a mate at Hillsborough, a school friend who in fairness I had not seen > for many years but nevertheless he is gone. we all have a laugh here but > sometimes just sometimes maybe we should think about our comments and that > includes me. > > Leeds has had a tough time, my mate Rick took over Radio Yorkshire in > November and asked me to run the sports section for footy and rugby league, > he meets and met Ken Bates on many occasions and I was in Leeds less than two > months ago, fuck me I have some stories but it would compromise him and he is > my mate, maybe one time I will tell you some stories.. not now. By the way I > couldn't do it but didn't post it here whilst I was in negotiations. I > wish them well regardless of your comments that may follow here. > > Not sure how this missive will be received.. maybe time to retire. I'm not > asking for any sensitive oh poor you shit comments here but maybe a little > humility from some of the generic crass comments that normally come from some > of the regulars... x > > MOT and I mean together, Andy > > > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > Rest In Peace old lad > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Liverpool.. maybe my last words here
Same here Andy - i’m rooting for Liverpool (and for Everton to finish above the Arse)…admittedly part of my support is based on the fact that my other half and her dad are keen reds (he’s a born and bred scouser…)…but yes, the tone of your email has it spot on for me, there’s one thing having sporting rivalries/hatreds (and all teams have some shite-arse little bastards that attach themselves - FFS are we saying Leeds fans are angels here?) but then there’s real lives and deaths; and if you can’t see that one matters way more than the other then you have a problem… Hillsborough, the injustice etc doesn’t mean they have the "right to win the league”, no one does, you generally hope that the team playing the best football wins it, unless it is ManU of course…I find Liverpool much less offensive that Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal, Spurs…I don’t much mind between them and City The real scandal of Hillsborough is not that some fans may or may not have got in without tickets…it is that the police panicked, lied and covered up…and did so by pinning the blame on the ordinary folk…and that establishment (both government and press) bought it and played it for all it was worth, refusing to accept any other history. This made criminals out of people who went to a football match. That is an inexcusable fabrication which shows the contempt that people in power have for the “ordinary person"…just makes you wonder about all the other times we’re lied to and how often we accept that version. Keep it up Andy On 20 Apr 2014, at 00:33, Andy Pyzer wrote: > Regardless of opinions and we all have them, for me Liverpool have been the > best team this year and deserve to win the League as the best footballing > team and I hope they do and I hope Everton get into top 4 too. > > When I moved to Liverpool in 1971 at age 5 from Scotland and chose an English > team it was obviously Leeds because we were the best and had some Scottish > players obviously and my mate Kevin supported them and Liverpool were not > destined to be huge for 20 years were they? I stayed Leeds loyal all these > years because I am a stubborn twat.. a similar trait with several here > although you may have been born in Leeds so have no choice... I have lived in > the Middle East for the last 22 years... FYI. > > There was a recent BBC thread on Leeds on what happened from an author who > pointed out that all Leeds fans do is moan, why us, why this why that etc. > What has happened to Leeds United? Part of my joy of this list is the eternal > pessimism whether we win lose or draw, it somehow makes my life better to > know the pain we all go through week in week out. but we get through it. > > It is an obvious difficult issue when people are killed at any ground for any > team or any fan and yes I agree I have many scouser friends who are now > constantly giving me the Hillsborough 96 blah blah, but the fact is it > happened and no matter how you want to paint it people died right or wrong. > Turkey scum, Arsenal scum, Liverpool scum... seriously guys? seriously? > people died. > > I thought we were football fans? Anfield is one of the only grounds I have > ever gone to where the fans stand up and actually applaud a team who beat > them, they are fans like us who recognise skills and ability and talent and > support their team winning or losing. Fuck me we won the league since they > last did > > I lost a mate at Hillsborough, a school friend who in fairness I had not seen > for many years but nevertheless he is gone. we all have a laugh here but > sometimes just sometimes maybe we should think about our comments and that > includes me. > > Leeds has had a tough time, my mate Rick took over Radio Yorkshire in > November and asked me to run the sports section for footy and rugby league, > he meets and met Ken Bates on many occasions and I was in Leeds less than two > months ago, fuck me I have some stories but it would compromise him and he is > my mate, maybe one time I will tell you some stories.. not now. By the way I > couldn't do it but didn't post it here whilst I was in negotiations. I > wish them well regardless of your comments that may follow here. > > Not sure how this missive will be received.. maybe time to retire. I'm not > asking for any sensitive oh poor you shit comments here but maybe a little > humility from some of the generic crass comments that normally come from some > of the regulars... x > > MOT and I mean together, Andy > > > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Liverpool.. maybe my last words here
I agree with all those sentiments Andy & Jonathan. I've always a small affinity with Liverpool, it started I guess with the story about Liverpool fans applauding and singing "champions" to us when we beat them for the title in 69. Even when they were winning loads of trophies they never seemed (to me) to think it was "their right", unlike scum today. And like a lot of people I believed what we were told (initially) by the police, government and to some extent the press over Hillsborough. I cant believe its taken 25 years to (nearly) get to the truth. I can't imagine what the families have gone through. I was there (Hillsborough) with us in 87 and it so easily could have been our fans that died. So yes, I'd like to see them win (only cos we can't!) On a scale of 1 to 100, its 100 for me for Leeds, 1 for L'pool, none for the rest and minus 50 for Scum and Galascum. And yes Rich, I remember the early 80's and Scousers carrying/using Stanley's - they were no angels (neither were we) but it doesn't mean they deserve what they got. On another note... Barnsley. Remember? We had a game yesterday? No reports? I went but I'm no tactician or report writer so can only give a few observations. Two successive wins, unbeaten in the Cellino era (!) but we're still poor. A mediocre game at best between two struggling teams. Murphy looked better playing further forward again. Ross's first touch and finish were the real bright spot of the game (after a great knock down from Smith). Wooton on the wing?? Wtf? God knows what Stewart must think when a sh1t defender is playing in his position and keeping him out the team. I wasn't sure what to make of it but as the teams walked off after game, McDermott only briefly glanced at us fans (they have to walk near our end to get to tunnel that's in the corner), he gave a quick wave whereas Gibbs was giving it the big Leeds salute all the way past. He (Gibbs) seems to be giving more instructions during the game too. Is McD's time coming to an end? The Leeds fans did sing the McDemott song too. Good turnout from Leeds fans, even tho we didn't sell about 1200 of our 5300(?) allocation. I like the Cellino chant, to the Volare tune... Cellino, oh oh oh oh, he comes from Italy, he pays no V A T, Cellino, oh oh oh. Well, it made me smile. A few pints in Leeds, a short train ride to Barnsley, couple of pints in the Metrodome, a win (first since 97 at Oakwell?), a short walk back to the station (avoiding the young Barnsley mob being "held back!" by Plod) a few more pints in Leeds before the train home. Not a bad day out! I only thought we'd get one point from the Blackpool game until the end of the season. Two games on and we have 6 points - shows what I know! Can we win the last three? Just maybe! Ted H ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Liverpool.. maybe my last words here
>>And yes Rich, I remember the early >>80's and Scousers carrying/using >>Stanley's - they were no angels >>>(neither were we) but it doesn't >>mean >>they >>deserve what they got. I never said they deserved Hillsborough. Nobody deserved that. The Italians didn't deserve Heysel either. I firmly believe that neither would have happened hadn't it been for the scousers. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Liverpool.. maybe my last words here
On 20 Apr 2014 15:56, "Richard Walker" wrote: > I never said they deserved Hillsborough. Nobody deserved that. > The Italians didn't deserve Heysel either. I firmly believe that neither would have happened hadn't it been for the scousers. > Re Hillsborough: I guess you'll have been there in 87 Rich? If so, how can you say that? The only reason IMHO that it didn't happen to us is that because of our "past", we were checked and re-checked on approaching the stadium. Had that not slowed down our entry to the ground, (along with the early kick off before pubs were open) I'm pretty sure it could have been us. Nothing to do with which city we were from. But I guess I wont change your mind! Ted H ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
