Attention All Users - Subject Line Behavior Change

[Tim Krause]

Attention Everyone,

It has been brought to my attention that the groups messages are no 
longer threading messages correctly based on the subject line. Messages 
sent via emails or changing the subject line in the web interface will 
no longer create a new thread.  This is something that is out of my 
control but needs to be paid attention to.


To be perfectly clear, when starting a new subject, you must create a 
fresh new email message (no quoted text or subject change) or create a 
"New Topic" off the main page in the web interface.  Otherwise your new 
thread will get lost under another thread.


I have also noticed there is a different version of the google groups 
interface when using an Android tablet.  Several features are missing.  
I don't know if this applies to Apple users.


If you have any questions, feel free to ask.  Thanks to all that have 
been posting recently, new messages keep this group alive. New


-Tim


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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Richard Ellis]

Tim
On the 7.7.16 I did send some pics of the nut. I have lost them from PC and 
can't copy and paste to & from this site, so if you look back to that date 
you will see them
Cheers Richard

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:52:59 AM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>
> So your woodchuck split nut is not what was shown in my carriage 
> pictures?  Is that what I'm reading?  Can you show us a photo?
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:44:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Ellis wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> Interesting about the split nut. on my Woodchuck it is hinged, the lower 
>> half in not threaded ,just bare,just there to carry the leadscrew.
>> On the Revo ,shorter bed and leadscrew the nut is just a half that slides 
>> to closed position, no back piece .
>> I like the idea of a sliding nut for the Woodchuck, Later will have to 
>> see if it is possible, as my nut is just about had it.
>> As I have not got a 4 TPI threading tap, I did think of heat gun .// 
>> leadscrew to some Delrin and form a new one.
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>

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Last Test Ignore

[Tim Krause]

Nothing to see here...please move along.

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Ignore this Trouble shooting an issue

[Tim Krause]

There is an issue.  Do no respond to this message.

-Tim



On 7/31/2017 9:33 PM, Bill Bulkeley wrote:


Nice but how do you see what’s going on when milling

Bill

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ 
Veinot

*Sent:* Tuesday, 1 August 2017 10:20 AM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: new video on youtube, dust collection

Sorry, I gave the wrong link to the legacy video.  The right one is 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvtOb84CmRw&t=12s


*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ 
Veinot

*Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 5:58 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* new video on youtube, dust collection

I just publish another video about dust collection improvements on my 
1200 if interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogy_c94Yt3o&t=192s


Comments are always welcome :>)

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim]

So your woodchuck split nut is not what was shown in my carriage pictures?  
Is that what I'm reading?  Can you show us a photo?

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:44:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Ellis wrote:
>
> Hi
> Interesting about the split nut. on my Woodchuck it is hinged, the lower 
> half in not threaded ,just bare,just there to carry the leadscrew.
> On the Revo ,shorter bed and leadscrew the nut is just a half that slides 
> to closed position, no back piece .
> I like the idea of a sliding nut for the Woodchuck, Later will have to see 
> if it is possible, as my nut is just about had it.
> As I have not got a 4 TPI threading tap, I did think of heat gun .// 
> leadscrew to some Delrin and form a new one.
> Richard
>
>
>

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Richard Ellis]

Hi
Interesting about the split nut. on my Woodchuck it is hinged, the lower 
half in not threaded ,just bare,just there to carry the leadscrew.
On the Revo ,shorter bed and leadscrew the nut is just a half that slides 
to closed position, no back piece .
I like the idea of a sliding nut for the Woodchuck, Later will have to see 
if it is possible, as my nut is just about had it.
As I have not got a 4 TPI threading tap, I did think of heat gun .// 
leadscrew to some Delrin and form a new one.
Richard

On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 8:16:12 PM UTC+1, joe biunno wrote:
>
> just picked up this legacy and need assistance in identifying it...I 
> looked in the "history of ornamental mills", and it seems this is a 1500 
> (or 1500L?)...the photos show it is of the type with the 1 1/2" X 1 1/2", 
> square , steel tubing as a bed and "uni-strut P-1000" as the rails...can 
> anyone pinpoint the year or time frame this machine was made?...serial # is 
> 1656C...has some things that seem a bit odd to me, that if anyone could 
> explain, would be appreciated(see follow up comments)...also looking for 
> the assembly manual/owner's manual, if anyone has that...certainly a 
> download would do...I will include other pictures and/or requests in follow 
> up posts...thanks...joe biunno
>

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To All, Ignore this message or be deleted!

[Tim]

Do not reply in any way shape or form or be subject to live in tech support 
hell.  This is not a joke.

This is a test of the web interface.  

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RE: new legacy video on youtube

[Bill Bulkeley]

not bad not to bad at all i like it simple and very fast, very fine adjustments 
could be done with shims, also solves the problem of keeping the bed flat when 
adjusting height .

 

real good one russ

 

Bill

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot
Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2017 8:44 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: new legacy video on youtube

 

I just downloaded another video.  It’s about how to adjust the rail height 
easily.  I can adjust mine in under 1 minute.  All comments are welcomed. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlHqDBtLZmo 

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 6:19 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new video on youtube, dust collection

 

I use a spot light pointing directly into the center where the bit is.  When 
well lit, you can see the bit in action.

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 11:33 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new video on youtube, dust collection

 

Nice but how do you see what’s going on when milling

 

Bill

 

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot
Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2017 10:20 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new video on youtube, dust collection

 

Sorry, I gave the wrong link to the legacy video.  The right one is 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvtOb84CmRw 
 &t=12s 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 5:58 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: new video on youtube, dust collection

 

I just publish another video about dust collection improvements on my 1200 if 
interested  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogy_c94Yt3o 
 &t=192s 

Comments are always welcome :>)

 

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new legacy video on youtube

[Russ Veinot]

I just downloaded another video.  It’s about how to adjust the rail height 
easily.  I can adjust mine in under 1 minute.  All comments are welcomed. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlHqDBtLZmo 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 6:19 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new video on youtube, dust collection

 

I use a spot light pointing directly into the center where the bit is.  When 
well lit, you can see the bit in action.

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 11:33 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new video on youtube, dust collection

 

Nice but how do you see what’s going on when milling

 

Bill

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot
Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2017 10:20 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new video on youtube, dust collection

 

Sorry, I gave the wrong link to the legacy video.  The right one is 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvtOb84CmRw 
 &t=12s 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 5:58 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: new video on youtube, dust collection

 

I just publish another video about dust collection improvements on my 1200 if 
interested  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogy_c94Yt3o 
 &t=192s 

Comments are always welcome :>)

 

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

You're welcome, I learned something as well.

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On Aug 2, 2017, 3:15 PM, at 3:15 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>well, that explains why the nut on my machine is not split...I would be
>
>curious as to why legacy would offer it as an option when it is such a 
>minor upgrade...include it with every machine and just up the price a
>few 
>dollars...and you have also explained the different types of split nuts
>
>used for the X axis...I looking at ads for the legacy on ebay,
>craigslist, 
>etc. I have seen the angled nut, the split nut, an in-and-out
>nut...don't 
>know if they were original to the machine or added/improvised at a
>later 
>date...all interesting info and much appreciated tim...thanks...joe
>
>

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['Finunlim' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

tim, there are no wing nuts,,,there is a single, socket head, allen key bolt 
holding the solid acme nut to the carriage



-Original Message-
From: Tim Krause 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Cc: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)



Joe,


Do you have two wing nuts that connect the router base to your solid acme nut 
on the y axis?  That also appears to be another method to allow the axis to 
float with the solid nut version.


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On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:16 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
wow tim!...incredible photos and many thanks...here is some additional info 
that is now better explained, thanks to you...I do not have the "L" shaped, 
nylon blocks on the underside of the Y carriage, as I now see in your 
photos...they were replaced by a previous owner with an oak wood and ball 
bearing set up that is a bit sub-standard for me (i.e. rube Goldberg)...I also 
see that the Y axis acme screw has it's own split nut...my Y axis does not have 
a split nut, just a solid, nylon block, with the 5/8-4 acme thread in it and 
attached to the router mounting plate...so there is currently no way to 
disengage the Y movement from the threaded rod...I can mod that out without 
much work with some of the extra parts I have, so no issue there, but I am glad 
to have seen it in your photos...I have already begun setting up the X axis on 
a linear bearing...and actually it seems it will be quite an easy job and at a 
nominal expense($120.00 +/- total)...it will not allow the carriage to be 
lifted off the rails and the tolerances(vertical and front-to-back) will be 
very tight and yet allow the carriage to slide easily...and the tolerances will 
be easily adjustable, if ever needed...I am also converting the headstock to 
ball bearings...it currently has some 1/4", black nylon "pads" as a bearing, 
but I could see those not lasting very long, especially under 
heavier-than-normal loads...that too was not expensive, but will require 
jamming a lot into that small headstock "box"...but I have laid it out and it 
is doable...and I will be posting photos, of course...not going to go the full 
monty with this machine, as I did before, LOL...but just some needed 
repairs/upgrades that were necessary, and I thought while I was doing that, why 
not spend a little more time and make it a better machine...my intention is to 
use this machine for smaller work and leave the big guy set up to do the longer 
poles and larger work we do...and if I should ever get a manual, you will be 
the first person I send a copy to...again, many thanks...joe



  




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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

well, that explains why the nut on my machine is not split...I would be 
curious as to why legacy would offer it as an option when it is such a 
minor upgrade...include it with every machine and just up the price a few 
dollars...and you have also explained the different types of split nuts 
used for the X axis...I looking at ads for the legacy on ebay, craigslist, 
etc. I have seen the angled nut, the split nut, an in-and-out nut...don't 
know if they were original to the machine or added/improvised at a later 
date...all interesting info and much appreciated tim...thanks...joe


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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

Joe,

Do you have two wing nuts that connect the router base to your solid acme nut 
on the y axis?  That also appears to be another method to allow the axis to 
float with the solid nut version.

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On Aug 2, 2017, 2:16 PM, at 2:16 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>wow tim!...incredible photos and many thanks...here is some additional
>info 
>that is now better explained, thanks to you...I do not have the "L"
>shaped, 
>nylon blocks on the underside of the Y carriage, as I now see in your 
>photos...they were replaced by a previous owner with an oak wood and
>ball 
>bearing set up that is a bit sub-standard for me (i.e. rube
>Goldberg)...I 
>also see that the Y axis acme screw has it's own split nut...my Y axis
>does 
>not have a split nut, just a solid, nylon block, with the 5/8-4 acme
>thread 
>in it and attached to the router mounting plate...so there is currently
>no 
>way to disengage the Y movement from the threaded rod...I can mod that
>out 
>without much work with some of the extra parts I have, so no issue
>there, 
>but I am glad to have seen it in your photos...I have already begun
>setting 
>up the X axis on a linear bearing...and actually it seems it will be
>quite 
>an easy job and at a nominal expense($120.00 +/- total)...it will not
>allow 
>the carriage to be lifted off the rails and the tolerances(vertical and
>
>front-to-back) will be very tight and yet allow the carriage to slide 
>easily...and the tolerances will be easily adjustable, if ever
>needed...I 
>am also converting the headstock to ball bearings...it currently has
>some 
>1/4", black nylon "pads" as a bearing, but I could see those not
>lasting 
>very long, especially under heavier-than-normal loads...that too was
>not 
>expensive, but will require jamming a lot into that small headstock 
>"box"...but I have laid it out and it is doable...and I will be posting
>
>photos, of course...not going to go the full monty with this machine,
>as I 
>did before, LOL...but just some needed repairs/upgrades that were 
>necessary, and I thought while I was doing that, why not spend a little
>
>more time and make it a better machine...my intention is to use this 
>machine for smaller work and leave the big guy set up to do the longer 
>poles and larger work we do...and if I should ever get a manual, you
>will 
>be the first person I send a copy to...again, many thanks...joe
>
>
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

New details,

The model 1000 the y axis leadscrew was an option.  It came without a split 
nut.  It was a block of delrin tapped for the acme thread.  If you wanted to 
move the y axis freely you would remove one screws and that would set it free.  
The split nut was yet another option that made using the y axis easier.  The 
source of this information is from a project video that features the model 1000 
steel version.

Tim

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On Aug 2, 2017, 2:34 PM, at 2:34 PM, Tim  wrote:
>This is driving me a little nutty,
>
>The split nut that you show photographed was on the early model
>1000/1500 
>machines.  I've now seen this in a Legacy video.  When and how they
>went to 
>the modern split nut escapes me.  I don't know if it was an upgrade
>option 
>or simply a newer model 1000/1500 change.  Any help would be
>appreciated to 
>clear this up.
>
>I do recall a model 1000 aluminum machine has an angled mount and split
>nut 
>as shown on my carriage photos.  I can't get to mine to verify at the 
>moment.
>
>-Tim
>
>
>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:17:25 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Confused, that looks like a split nut like a Woodchuck version...  
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim]

This is driving me a little nutty,

The split nut that you show photographed was on the early model 1000/1500 
machines.  I've now seen this in a Legacy video.  When and how they went to 
the modern split nut escapes me.  I don't know if it was an upgrade option 
or simply a newer model 1000/1500 change.  Any help would be appreciated to 
clear this up.

I do recall a model 1000 aluminum machine has an angled mount and split nut 
as shown on my carriage photos.  I can't get to mine to verify at the 
moment.

-Tim


On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:17:25 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> Confused, that looks like a split nut like a Woodchuck version...  
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

wow tim!...incredible photos and many thanks...here is some additional info 
that is now better explained, thanks to you...I do not have the "L" shaped, 
nylon blocks on the underside of the Y carriage, as I now see in your 
photos...they were replaced by a previous owner with an oak wood and ball 
bearing set up that is a bit sub-standard for me (i.e. rube Goldberg)...I 
also see that the Y axis acme screw has it's own split nut...my Y axis does 
not have a split nut, just a solid, nylon block, with the 5/8-4 acme thread 
in it and attached to the router mounting plate...so there is currently no 
way to disengage the Y movement from the threaded rod...I can mod that out 
without much work with some of the extra parts I have, so no issue there, 
but I am glad to have seen it in your photos...I have already begun setting 
up the X axis on a linear bearing...and actually it seems it will be quite 
an easy job and at a nominal expense($120.00 +/- total)...it will not allow 
the carriage to be lifted off the rails and the tolerances(vertical and 
front-to-back) will be very tight and yet allow the carriage to slide 
easily...and the tolerances will be easily adjustable, if ever needed...I 
am also converting the headstock to ball bearings...it currently has some 
1/4", black nylon "pads" as a bearing, but I could see those not lasting 
very long, especially under heavier-than-normal loads...that too was not 
expensive, but will require jamming a lot into that small headstock 
"box"...but I have laid it out and it is doable...and I will be posting 
photos, of course...not going to go the full monty with this machine, as I 
did before, LOL...but just some needed repairs/upgrades that were 
necessary, and I thought while I was doing that, why not spend a little 
more time and make it a better machine...my intention is to use this 
machine for smaller work and leave the big guy set up to do the longer 
poles and larger work we do...and if I should ever get a manual, you will 
be the first person I send a copy to...again, many thanks...joe


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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim]

oops never mind.  I saw it.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:15:38 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> Joe, 
>
> Can you take a photo of the torn up split nut.  I'm curious about 
> something. 
>
> -Tim 
>
>
> On 8/1/2017 7:50 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: 
> > well, the legacy gods smiled upon me today!...that hinged, split nut 
> > was a mess...the bracket was poorly made by a previous owner and the 
> > threads were very worn...so I looked through my extra parts and found 
> > what you see in the two photos...a new, split nut that was left over 
> > perhaps from my wood chuck machine or the 1200 that I used to extend 
> > the 1800...I don't remember, but there it was...interesting that it 
> > attached to the carriage like it was meant to be, and that it is 
> > angled, not up and down like on the 1800 and other, later legacy 
> > machines...and I even have another, threaded half of the split nut, as 
> > a spare, if this one ever wears out(certainly not in my 
> > lifetime!)...so that was a 10 minute upgrade/repair...and so it 
> > begins, bringing this machine up to a much better, user friendly, 
> > condition...the legacy gremlins are now harassing me to continue, 
> > LOL!...god help me!...joe b. 
> > 
>
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

They where uhmw, and they have slotted mounting holes in the carriage.  
Also notice that there is no mechanism to keep the carriage held to the 
rails.  It just lifts up.


That's all I know about this subject.

-Tim

PS, Credit to Mike Pung for allowing me to take photos of his carriage.


On 8/1/2017 5:29 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
hey tim!...thanks for the info...any details on what the Y carriage 
slid on?...i'm guessing some kind of nylon pads, but i'm curious if 
there was a way to adjust them if there was a bit of play between the 
carriage and the rails...perhaps a group member who has this machine 
can post some photos...and the manual situation seems very 
strange...no manual has surfaced to date?...well, hopefully someone is 
reading these posts and will offer the group a copy...again, thanks 
for the input...joe



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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

Confused, that looks like a split nut like a Woodchuck version...

-Tim



On 8/1/2017 5:44 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
here is a photo of the split nut used on the lead screw...a bit odd as 
it hinges open and closed...certainly very difficult to replace when 
it becomes worn out and most likely I will set up a split block that 
was used in later machines...the later type is easier to copy and make 
from scratch...trying to avoid getting too involved with this 
machine...I do have a use for it and I got it on the cheap, but 
finances dictate that I can't do my typical "mod" thing...but since 
there are no parts available, (especially for this earlier, 20 year 
old machine) I guess I have no choice...thanks...joe



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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

Joe,

Can you take a photo of the torn up split nut.  I'm curious about something.

-Tim


On 8/1/2017 7:50 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
well, the legacy gods smiled upon me today!...that hinged, split nut 
was a mess...the bracket was poorly made by a previous owner and the 
threads were very worn...so I looked through my extra parts and found 
what you see in the two photos...a new, split nut that was left over 
perhaps from my wood chuck machine or the 1200 that I used to extend 
the 1800...I don't remember, but there it was...interesting that it 
attached to the carriage like it was meant to be, and that it is 
angled, not up and down like on the 1800 and other, later legacy 
machines...and I even have another, threaded half of the split nut, as 
a spare, if this one ever wears out(certainly not in my 
lifetime!)...so that was a 10 minute upgrade/repair...and so it 
begins, bringing this machine up to a much better, user friendly, 
condition...the legacy gremlins are now harassing me to continue, 
LOL!...god help me!...joe b.




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