Re: A response from Andy Anderson Of Legacy Regarding Support.

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Good evening AndyI was not aware that Art was doing anything other then 
building his own machine for him self, This group was formed long before the 
CNC topic came up.But AS for myself.My Goal is and has always been to , "Try" 
the get the most out of the Legacy Ornamental Mill.
No apologizes are necessary to me, I am glad that there is no longer a 
conflict/ misunderstands here.
Again I thank you for clearing up the confusion. and hope to start a new 
page... water under the bridge so to speak.
Have a good night.C.A.G. 

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 8:03 PM, Andy Anderson 
 wrote:
 

 Curt,I didn't mention Art's name before, he has passed beyond all of life's 
grief and trouble and should rest in peace, but since you bring it up I'll 
respond.  Art did design and sell a CNC system.  I can't say how successful he 
was but I was contacted by many of my loyal OM customers to inform me that he 
had contacted them and tried to sell them a CNC.  Since we were also selling a 
CNC system at that time they felt the need to tell me about it.  Their only 
contact with Art was through this group so it isn't too difficult to draw the 
conclusion.  If that was not your intent when you started the group then you 
have my apology but my facts are not WRONG.  I spoke to Art on several 
occasions about our conflict.  These are facts, you may not be aware of them or 
part of the disinformation campaign but I am not wrong on this.  Many people 
thought highly of Art and I wouldn't have brought this up if you hadn't made 
the claim that I was trying to misinform the group.Again, I apologize if you 
were caught in the cross-fire but you can only speak to your own actions and 
intents and not to the actions and intents of others.  Let's let the matter and 
Art rest.Andy 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 9:47:53 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
  
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  Dear Tim, 
  I can see the confusion caused by our statement but if you understand that 
support, to us, means coaching and producing new training materials for a 
product and of course manufacturing means we still build new OM's then it 
becomes quite clear. I can see that a longer, wordier explanation could have 
been used to tell the story but I'm sure that those determined to complain 
would have found something in the longer explanation to complain about too.  
With a little effort say, a phone call to me, and the whole story could have 
been told on the thread but telling the truth, getting the whole story onto the 
forum, is not what some of those making comments on the thread intended.    
  Some of the claims and statements made in the thread are incorrect and some 
just not true and if any of these folks had an ounce of courage they would have 
spoken to me instead of wasting their time and yours in an online conversation 
with others that definitely don't have the answers either.  I have an 800 
number, I'm at extension 11. The call is free. I'm not hiding.  800 279 4570 
  If they had have called me they would find out we still sell, build, and use 
index hubs in our CNC systems, pilaster dogs as well.  We still build and stock 
many of the  gears and gear sets, spit nuts and other items that go missing or 
wear out over time.  We sell them to people that buy second hand OMs at yard 
and estate sales quite often.  Of course if these new owners were to join the 
misinformed on this google group and believed the nonsense that they read they 
may not been able to buy these items because they believed the myth that we 
don't provide any customer service for our OM's and they would not have called 
and receive the  parts they needed.  You can see why I don't encourage people 
to join the group. Of course, it is true, that we no longer stock many of the 
parts required to build an OM from scratch.  If you back your car over your OM 
in the garage I'm afraid I won't be able to help you.  
  Until I read through this latest thread I might have been willing to allow 
someone to use my designs and drawings to build replacement parts for OM owners 
but I can't see the point of working with people as misinformed, ignorant, 
arrogant, and unwilling to investigate to find the truth as those that were 
commenting on the thread today. If the google group forum isn't a place to find 
the facts then what exactly is it's purpose?  As I pointed out in our 
conversation this morning, many of the comments were made by people who don't 
really want solutions, they don't want the truth, they want to do damage.   
  The irony is that after inflicting as much damage as they can with their 
ignorant comments they complain that I don't spend enough time and money 
supporting them and they complain that I'm not reasonable.  After they put in 
jeopardy the jobs and the 

Re: Parts and pieces still being offered

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Thank you Mike! That is the best news that I have heard on a long time.
If I understand you correctly,Most parts form our machines still can be bought 
from Legacy, but they do not build machines any more and will not sell the 
Manual machine any more ?I am glad to hear that the confusion on this topic is 
NOW OVER. ;-)Have a good night.
C.A.G. 

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:49 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
 wrote:
 

   Hello everyone, 
  Been a rough but productive week on the group.  More things are getting moved 
from the unknown to the known.  Harbored ill feelings are being resolved as 
well as relationships being strengthened.  Now onward to bigger and better 
things. I left a message for Cindy at Legacy and she returned my call.  We had 
a great conversation about the future availability of some of the parts that 
are specifically for the manual machines as well as the parts that are used on 
both manual and CNC.   Dyna-glide as well as the index drive hubs and pilaster 
hubs and lock collars.  The hub receivers that were a #2 mores taper won't be 
available but instead there will be the 1"- 8tpi hub that will fit all the 
manual and CNC machines.   She also said she stocks the old style top-hat and 
rectangle glides as well as split nuts and crank handles.  Also drive gears and 
gear sets.  She will be able to send out instructions for modifications like 
the "Y" axis pattern follower so we can see what they did and could accomplish 
it on our own.  
  Bottom line, Cindy says there will not be a full-line store front and she 
wants you to call her for manual machine questions and part availability.  She 
will be the one to take and fill the order or she will be able to suggest 
alternate courses of action.  She is here to help, "Thank You Cindy!" Mike OK
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Parts and pieces still being offered

[Okla Mike (Liltwisted)]

Hello everyone,

Been a rough but productive week on the group. More things are getting 
moved from the unknown to the known. Harbored ill feelings are being 
resolved as well as relationships being strengthened.  Now onward to 
bigger and better things.


I left a message for Cindy at Legacy and she returned my call.  We had a 
great conversation about the future availability of some of the parts 
that are specifically for the manual machines as well as the parts that 
are used on both manual and CNC.   Dyna-glide as well as the index drive 
hubs and pilaster hubs and lock collars.  The hub receivers that were a 
#2 mores taper won't be available but instead there will be the 1"- 8tpi 
hub that will fit all the manual and CNC machines. She also said she 
stocks the old style top-hat and rectangle glides as well as split nuts 
and crank handles.  Also drive gears and gear sets.  She will be able to 
send out instructions for modifications like the "Y" axis pattern 
follower so we can see what they did and could accomplish it on our own.


Bottom line, Cindy says there will not be a full-line store front and 
she wants you to call her for manual machine questions and part 
availability.  She will be the one to take and fill the order or she 
will be able to suggest alternate courses of action.  She is here to 
help, "Thank You Cindy!"


Mike OK

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Re: A response from Andy Anderson Of Legacy Regarding Support.

[Andy Anderson]

Curt,
I didn't mention Art's name before, he has passed beyond all of life's 
grief and trouble and should rest in peace, but since you bring it up I'll 
respond.  Art did design and sell a CNC system.  I can't say how successful 
he was but I was contacted by many of my loyal OM customers to inform me 
that he had contacted them and tried to sell them a CNC.  Since we were 
also selling a CNC system at that time they felt the need to tell me about 
it.  Their only contact with Art was through this group so it isn't too 
difficult to draw the conclusion.  If that was not your intent when you 
started the group then you have my apology but my facts are not WRONG.  I 
spoke to Art on several occasions about our conflict.  These are facts, you 
may not be aware of them or part of the disinformation campaign but I am 
not wrong on this.  Many people thought highly of Art and I wouldn't have 
brought this up if you hadn't made the claim that I was trying to misinform 
the group.
Again, I apologize if you were caught in the cross-fire but you can only 
speak to your own actions and intents and not to the actions and intents of 
others.  Let's let the matter and Art rest.
Andy
 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 9:47:53 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:

>
> I had a conversation with Andy Anderson of Legacy and he has asked me to 
> forward this email to the group.  
>
>  Forwarded Message  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Tim,
>
>
> I can see the confusion caused by our statement but if you understand that 
> support, to us, means coaching and producing new training materials for a 
> product and of course manufacturing means we still build new OM's then it 
> becomes quite clear. I can see that a longer, wordier explanation could 
> have been used to tell the story but I'm sure that those determined to 
> complain would have found something in the longer explanation to complain 
> about too.  With a little effort say, a phone call to me, and the whole 
> story could have been told on the thread but telling the truth, getting the 
> whole story onto the forum, is not what some of those making comments on 
> the thread intended.   
>
>
> Some of the claims and statements made in the thread are incorrect and 
> some just not true and if any of these folks had an ounce of courage they 
> would have spoken to me instead of wasting their time and yours in an 
> online conversation with others that definitely don't have the answers 
> either.  I have an 800 number, I'm at extension 11. The call is free. I'm 
> not hiding.  800 279 4570
>
>
> If they had have called me they would find out we still sell, build, and 
> use index hubs in our CNC systems, pilaster dogs as well.  We still build 
> and stock many of the  gears and gear sets, spit nuts and other items that 
> go missing or wear out over time.  We sell them to people that buy second 
> hand OMs at yard and estate sales quite often.  Of course if these new 
> owners were to join the misinformed on this google group and believed the 
> nonsense that they read they may not been able to buy these items because 
> they believed the myth that we don't provide any customer service for our 
> OM's and they would not have called and receive the parts they needed.  You 
> can see why I don't encourage people to join the group. Of course, it is 
> true, that we no longer stock many of the parts required to build an OM 
> from scratch.  If you back your car over your OM in the garage I'm afraid I 
> won't be able to help you. 
>
>
> Until I read through this latest thread I might have been willing to 
> allow someone to use my designs and drawings to build replacement parts for 
> OM owners but I can't see the point of working with people as misinformed, 
> ignorant, arrogant, and unwilling to investigate to find the truth as those 
> that were commenting on the thread today. If the google group forum isn't a 
> place to find the facts then what exactly is it's purpose?  As I pointed 
> out in our conversation this morning, many of the comments were made by 
> people who don't really want solutions, they don't want the truth, they 
> want to do damage.  
>
>
> The irony is that after inflicting as much damage as they can with their 
> ignorant comments they complain that I don't spend enough time and money 
> supporting them and they complain that I'm not reasonable.  After they put 
> in jeopardy the jobs and the future of the 20 families that work at Legacy 
> I am supposed to give them whatever they want.   
>
>
> A reasonable request to use my designs and drawings, made directly to me 
> not to others in the group, would have been carefully considered but how 
> many potential customers are going to read through this latest pile of 
> misinformation and pure crap and buy another brand CNC machine because they 
> were frightened off by these comments? I can't say, but it will happen.  
> Those making the ignorant and uninformed comments in this thread don't seem 

Re: A response from Andy Anderson Of Legacy Regarding Support.

[russ veinot]

Curt,
I was also one of the first members and I only remember LOM owners 
joining.  all we were looking for was help to learn to use the LOM.  there 
was the only resource help available during that period of time.  I think 
someone has a very bad memory or vivid imagination.  never was there any 
conversations about replacing my LOM or anyone that didn't already own one.

Russ

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 10:47:53 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:

>
> I had a conversation with Andy Anderson of Legacy and he has asked me to 
> forward this email to the group.  
>
>  Forwarded Message  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Tim,
>
>
> I can see the confusion caused by our statement but if you understand that 
> support, to us, means coaching and producing new training materials for a 
> product and of course manufacturing means we still build new OM's then it 
> becomes quite clear. I can see that a longer, wordier explanation could 
> have been used to tell the story but I'm sure that those determined to 
> complain would have found something in the longer explanation to complain 
> about too.  With a little effort say, a phone call to me, and the whole 
> story could have been told on the thread but telling the truth, getting the 
> whole story onto the forum, is not what some of those making comments on 
> the thread intended.   
>
>
> Some of the claims and statements made in the thread are incorrect and 
> some just not true and if any of these folks had an ounce of courage they 
> would have spoken to me instead of wasting their time and yours in an 
> online conversation with others that definitely don't have the answers 
> either.  I have an 800 number, I'm at extension 11. The call is free. I'm 
> not hiding.  800 279 4570
>
>
> If they had have called me they would find out we still sell, build, and 
> use index hubs in our CNC systems, pilaster dogs as well.  We still build 
> and stock many of the  gears and gear sets, spit nuts and other items that 
> go missing or wear out over time.  We sell them to people that buy second 
> hand OMs at yard and estate sales quite often.  Of course if these new 
> owners were to join the misinformed on this google group and believed the 
> nonsense that they read they may not been able to buy these items because 
> they believed the myth that we don't provide any customer service for our 
> OM's and they would not have called and receive the parts they needed.  You 
> can see why I don't encourage people to join the group. Of course, it is 
> true, that we no longer stock many of the parts required to build an OM 
> from scratch.  If you back your car over your OM in the garage I'm afraid I 
> won't be able to help you. 
>
>
> Until I read through this latest thread I might have been willing to 
> allow someone to use my designs and drawings to build replacement parts for 
> OM owners but I can't see the point of working with people as misinformed, 
> ignorant, arrogant, and unwilling to investigate to find the truth as those 
> that were commenting on the thread today. If the google group forum isn't a 
> place to find the facts then what exactly is it's purpose?  As I pointed 
> out in our conversation this morning, many of the comments were made by 
> people who don't really want solutions, they don't want the truth, they 
> want to do damage.  
>
>
> The irony is that after inflicting as much damage as they can with their 
> ignorant comments they complain that I don't spend enough time and money 
> supporting them and they complain that I'm not reasonable.  After they put 
> in jeopardy the jobs and the future of the 20 families that work at Legacy 
> I am supposed to give them whatever they want.   
>
>
> A reasonable request to use my designs and drawings, made directly to me 
> not to others in the group, would have been carefully considered but how 
> many potential customers are going to read through this latest pile of 
> misinformation and pure crap and buy another brand CNC machine because they 
> were frightened off by these comments? I can't say, but it will happen.  
> Those making the ignorant and uninformed comments in this thread don't seem 
> to be able to connect the dots.  Damage Legacy and you damage all OM 
> owners. 
>
>
> Why should I work with individuals that can't make such a simple and 
> logical deduction?  Why do you allow them to comment on the forum?  This 
> type of blind ignorance tells to me that there is no future in working with 
> these people at all, however, it seems that there are only 4 or 5 without 
> the intelligence to connect the dots.  These same 4 or 5 are consistently 
> trying to do as much damage as possible without regard for the other OM 
> owners.  As long as they continue to use this google group as a public 
> platform I can't and I won't work with or support the rest of the group.  I 
> suggest that, for the sake of the group and all OM owners, it's time to 
> clean house. 
>
>
> Andy Anderson, 

Re: A response from Andy Anderson Of Legacy Regarding Support.

[Dexter Bland]

"I don't take or process phone orders.  The only time I'll end up on the 
phone with a customer is if he or she is a friend, or has a difficult 
question that someone else on the staff can't answer, or I end up on the 
phone with those customers that are rude, crude, abusive, curse, or have no 
manners."

I will address this comment as it seems directed at my criticism of 
Legacy not selling hubs to me. Andy, you did not answer the sales call nor 
did I ask to speak to you. Some lady took the call to the sales line 
and was pleasant. I was just asking to buy a few parts that were 
still listed on the web site but were told were no longer available. My 
call was passed along to you Andy, and you asked me if I was a second-hand 
mill buyer. When I answered yes, you then told me you would not sell me 
parts. Maybe you had a bad day, maybe you thought I was trying to buy 
something to copy and then sell, I don't know. After reading your response 
to the group, I kinda think that must have been what you thought. This 
conversation was probably 5-6 years ago, and you, have taken many more 
calls since then so not remembering this conversation would not surprise 
me. I was not rude nor did I cuss anyone as that is not my nature. Actually 
I was more stunned by your answer than anything. 

The only reason I brought up this issue in the first place was one 
commenter said he was needing/looking for hubs and the pilaster dogs. I was 
letting him know of my experience and to not count on being able to buy 
them from Legacy. If you have changed your mind on selling parts that you 
still make, great.

Sorry to bring this up, Tim and Curt. I did not wish to take away from the 
help this comment board supplies. There are loads of interesting and 
informative conversations here and hope it continues. There are several 
here that impress me with their creativity and ability. 
db


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Re: playing with spirals

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Thank you Bill. I like the second spindle,(the one with the rope and the cove 
flats) The barley twist is also impressive, but I think I like #2 the best. ;-) 
 12" pitch for a 6" spindle looks pretty nice.Isn't it true (general rule of 
thumb) the pitch should be 2-3 times the dia. of the spindle?
Thank you again.Keep up the good work.
C.A.G. 

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:58 AM, Bill Bulkeley 
 wrote:
 

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no project in mind just wanted to see what a large barleyspiral would look like 
for possible later projects . the wood is just cheappine broken veranda post I 
got cheap  The pitch is 12 inches done with the 2x multipliergear and the F 
gear    Bill          From:'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 20174:45 PM
To:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: playing with spirals    Hey there Bill. ;-)    can you give us 
some more info on your turnings? what kind of woodwere you using? what was the 
pitch you used??    I have found often, that using the wrong pitch on a project 
canreally take away form the over all appearance of the project. Did you start 
with something in mind, or was it more, let see whatwe get if ??? ;-)    Have a 
good night.    C.A.G.    On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:29 PM, 
MWF wrote:    Bill,

Nice - Thanks for sharing.  
I'll have to look up that issue.  (I hope I have it.)
Mac 
-Original Message- 
From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Nov 15, 2017 8:34 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: playing with spirals  Time for a new topic.    Had some fun in my shop 
making different spirals with the samepitch and router bits these 3 spirals 
were done with magnates  CombinationBarley Twist bits 
https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1160235   Makes some cool large 
spirals by stopping atdifferent intervals of the job. You first make a 2 start 
spiral then mill outone spiral to form the large single start barley the blank 
was 6 inch square about3ft long.   How to do it was in volume 2 of the old 
legacymagazines    Bill 
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Customer service

[Richard Ellis]

I sent an email  (only one ) to the firm that made a Jig Saw that I have 
asking a question about spares and how to tension the blade correctly.
This is the answer that I received the next day  Now that is service !!

Hello Richard,

I believe you are referring to the old ‘Spring Return attachment’ – this we 
stopped making over twenty years ago.

The thread size is 4BA for the two screws that grip the blade.

 

We rarely sell the Jigsaw these days, the mainstay of the business being 
lathes/Mills and accessories.

 

Most people using the Jigsaw simply use the saw guide- I suspect you must 
have this- simply a channel in which a sturdier blade runs to prevent 
lateral and backward movement.

The Spring Return Attch. Was always a tricky item to set up and we had 
mixed fortunes with it.

 

I have attached instructions for the Jigsaw.

 

 

Best Regards

Colin



Colin is the Managing director

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RE: playing with spirals

[Bill Bulkeley]

Not much to tell really I was just fooling around in the shop no project in 
mind just wanted to see what a large barley spiral would look like for possible 
later projects . the wood is just cheap pine broken veranda post I got cheap 

The pitch is 12 inches done with the 2x multiplier gear and the F gear

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 4:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: playing with spirals

 

Hey there Bill. ;-)

 

can you give us some more info on your turnings? what kind of wood were you 
using? what was the pitch you used??

 

I have found often, that using the wrong pitch on a project can really take 
away form the over all appearance of the project.

Did you start with something in mind, or was it more, let see what we get if 
??? ;-)

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:29 PM, MWF  wrote:

 

Bill,

Nice - Thanks for sharing.  
I'll have to look up that issue.  (I hope I have it.)
Mac

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-Original Message- 
From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Nov 15, 2017 8:34 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: playing with spirals 

Time for a new topic. 

 

Had some fun in my shop making different spirals with the same pitch and router 
bits these 3 spirals were done with magnates   
 Combination Barley 
Twist bits https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1160235

 

Makes some cool large spirals by stopping at different intervals of the job. 
You first make a 2 start spiral then mill out one spiral to form the large 
single start barley the blank was 6 inch square about 3ft long.

 

How to do it was in volume 2 of the old legacy magazines 

 

Bill

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