16 point twist
Looking to dire up the 1200 and create some spindles. One section with a 16 point spiral. Unfortunately I gave away my VHS player last year. Can someone point me in the right direction on how this might be accomplished? I have the 24 position index gear. I have been reading Tim’s posts on indexing and didn’t find my answer. Hey Tim, been a long time, hope you are well. Jeff Albany, OR Long time follower of the group, lots of great and interesting information -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: new video on on the legacy
Tim, thanks for your comments I agree the locking collar with a pin is an excellent idea and effective. I said awhile back (I think on my face plate video) that a 1"-8 TPI nut cut down to make narrow to fit on the head stock threads would be an adequate solution. You pin idea on the locking nut would make that even better. As always, there are many solutions to achieve the same result. I look for practical and simple (and least expensive) solutions. my set screw solution falls in that criteria, same as your solution (and Bill's). "Better" is in the eye of the beholder (blue is the better color :>). the two statements that you and Bill both made seem to agree on is the set screw would deflect the chuck when tightened and that the set screw might not hold. This morning I got out my dial indicator and measured the run out of the chuck with the chuck bottomed out on the head stock threads, with the chuck loose on the threads, and with the set screw tightened down. the run out was less than .001" difference in all 3 scenarios. As to the set screw not holding, I said (in my video) it holds fine (believe it or not) and if you are not sure, add a second or third set screw. I therefore stand by my idea that my idea is a valid solution to the problem of timing the piece and holding it on center. the cost of the set screw is cheap, consistent, and easy to set up. What more can anyone ask for. Lastly, if you are turning any piece on centers (both ends of the piece on center pins), the run out is determined by the center pins. The face plate is design to hold the piece during turning, not true to center. if you turn by bolting to the face plate only (no tail stock pin) the outer diameter run out is an issue. the 4 pins are there to force the piece to turn with the face plate rotation and not stay centered unless you are using the indexing hub (no center pin). That has a 4 points of contact to hold the centering of the head stock and run out can then become more of an issue. I hope I explained my point of view adequately :>), If after using this idea for a while, I find it to not work as designed, I promise to let you know. Russ On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 3:33:48 PM UTC-6, russ veinot wrote: > > you can see my newest video on youtube at: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g6wzIW1HvM > > it's about how to index and lock down the 4 jaw chuck to the head stock, > just like the locking index hub. you can then use custom face plates for > everything. > > all comments are welcome, > Russ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 16 point twist
hi Jeff, I bought the DVD version of the training (2) disks from Legacy( in the last year). I assume they will sell it to you unless you are prone to yelling at anyone :>) I started with the VHS and I still watch them from time to time. They are worth the $20 that Legacy is asking (again, I think that is what I paid). Russ On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-6, Love to turn in Oregon wrote: > Looking to dire up the 1200 and create some spindles. One section with a > 16 point spiral. Unfortunately I gave away my VHS player last year. Can > someone point me in the right direction on how this might be accomplished? > I have the 24 position index gear. > > I have been reading Tim’s posts on indexing and didn’t find my answer. Hey > Tim, been a long time, hope you are well. > > Jeff Albany, OR > > Long time follower of the group, lots of great and interesting information -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 16 point twist
Thanks. I called Legacy and was told that they sold out of the video. They did mention that they are in the process of putting them onto their website. Unfortunately the nice receptionist did not have a date of when they might be posted. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 16 point twist
On a job like that, normally what I do is figure the pitch, Let's ay you will be doing an 8" pitch. That means within the 8 inch run you will need 16 starts and measuring down the length they will be a 1/2" long. so that will help you figure out the blade you will need. Now let's say you are only dealing with a section that is not 8 inches in length, No problem. All you have to do is figure out your starting and stopping point. Make sure it is the same every time. Then after the cut is made move your split-nut over two teeth (1/2") and now you are in the next path. on short runs, I will just run it back. On long runs, I allow my router to run 1/2" long and then open the split-nut and move it back to the start point. Have a look at this video I made, hope it helps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw Mike OK On 12/8/2017 9:17 AM, Love to turn in Oregon wrote: Looking to dire up the 1200 and create some spindles. One section with a 16 point spiral. Unfortunately I gave away my VHS player last year. Can someone point me in the right direction on how this might be accomplished? I have the 24 position index gear. I have been reading Tim’s posts on indexing and didn’t find my answer. Hey Tim, been a long time, hope you are well. Jeff Albany, OR Long time follower of the group, lots of great and interesting information -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 16 point twist
that is strange. when i got mine all she did was copy it from a hard drive to a dvd and sent it to me. they must be out of dvd's :>) ask them if you can get a copy of it from someone else? also, there are places out there that for a fee, they can copy the vhs to dvd. no idea of cost but how much can it cost? Russ On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-6, Love to turn in Oregon wrote: > > Looking to dire up the 1200 and create some spindles. One section with a > 16 point spiral. Unfortunately I gave away my VHS player last year. Can > someone point me in the right direction on how this might be accomplished? > I have the 24 position index gear. > > I have been reading Tim’s posts on indexing and didn’t find my answer. Hey > Tim, been a long time, hope you are well. > > Jeff Albany, OR > > Long time follower of the group, lots of great and interesting information -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 16 point twist
I dug thru my box and did find some non-geared index plates and found a 32. Now how to fashion them up? Want to post a photo? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: 16 point twist
1/2 inch cutter .5x16starts =8inch pitch move the split nut 2 threads each cut 3/4 inch cutter .750x16starts=12 inch pitch move the split nut 3 threads each cut 1inch cutter 1x16starts= 16 inch pitch move the split nut 4 threads each cut 11/2 inch cutter 1.5x 16 starts = 24inch pitch move the split nut 6 threads each cut. No need to use an indexing gear on spirals just open the split nut and move the saddle along the dia of the cutter and re-in gauge the split nut for each cut. Bill -Original Message- From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Love to turn in Oregon Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 2:18 AM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: 16 point twist Looking to dire up the 1200 and create some spindles. One section with a 16 point spiral. Unfortunately I gave away my VHS player last year. Can someone point me in the right direction on how this might be accomplished? I have the 24 position index gear. I have been reading Tim’s posts on indexing and didn’t find my answer. Hey Tim, been a long time, hope you are well. Jeff Albany, OR Long time follower of the group, lots of great and interesting information -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to set up for 16 point start.
What's going n On Friday, December 8, 2017, Jeff Wimer wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to > legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/ > group/legacy-ornamental-mills. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to set up for 16 point start.
I see it now , take that gear off on the far right and replace it with gear laying on the mill. On Friday, December 8, 2017, Cole Andrews wrote: > What's going n > > On Friday, December 8, 2017, Jeff Wimer wrote: > >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@ >> googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/grou >> p/legacy-ornamental-mills. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to set up for 16 point start.
I wish I had read your header ,call me at 229 425 3605 , I will help you clarify the various configurations On Friday, December 8, 2017, Cole Andrews wrote: > I see it now , take that gear off on the far right and replace it with > gear laying on the mill. > > On Friday, December 8, 2017, Cole Andrews wrote: > >> What's going n >> >> On Friday, December 8, 2017, Jeff Wimer wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@google >>> groups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/grou >>> p/legacy-ornamental-mills. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: new video on on the legacy
Your runout results are interesting. YMMV (your mileage may vary). My only concern about using a set screw for the average Joe, is that a cup point is used. The holding power would be excellent, but it will damage the spindle by biting into the spindle. A small circle is embossed in the steel. I would hate to do that to any spindle that I own. Choosing a brass or nylon or flat tipped set screw would prevent marking. Like you say, there are several solutions to this. -Tim On Dec 8, 2017 8:15 AM, russ veinot wrote: > > Tim, thanks for your comments > I agree the locking collar with a pin is an excellent idea and effective. I > said awhile back (I think on my face plate video) that a 1"-8 TPI nut cut > down to make narrow to fit on the head stock threads would be an adequate > solution. You pin idea on the locking nut would make that even better. As > always, there are many solutions to achieve the same result. I look for > practical and simple (and least expensive) solutions. my set screw solution > falls in that criteria, same as your solution (and Bill's). "Better" is in > the eye of the beholder (blue is the better color :>). > > the two statements that you and Bill both made seem to agree on is the set > screw would deflect the chuck when tightened and that the set screw might not > hold. This morning I got out my dial indicator and measured the run out of > the chuck with the chuck bottomed out on the head stock threads, with the > chuck loose on the threads, and with the set screw tightened down. the run > out was less than .001" difference in all 3 scenarios. As to the set screw > not holding, I said (in my video) it holds fine (believe it or not) and if > you are not sure, add a second or third set screw. I therefore stand by my > idea that my idea is a valid solution to the problem of timing the piece and > holding it on center. the cost of the set screw is cheap, consistent, and > easy to set up. What more can anyone ask for. > > Lastly, if you are turning any piece on centers (both ends of the piece on > center pins), the run out is determined by the center pins. The face plate > is design to hold the piece during turning, not true to center. if you turn > by bolting to the face plate only (no tail stock pin) the outer diameter run > out is an issue. the 4 pins are there to force the piece to turn with the > face plate rotation and not stay centered unless you are using the indexing > hub (no center pin). That has a 4 points of contact to hold the centering of > the head stock and run out can then become more of an issue. > > I hope I explained my point of view adequately :>), If after using this idea > for a while, I find it to not work as designed, I promise to let you know. > > Russ > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 3:33:48 PM UTC-6, russ veinot wrote: >> >> you can see my newest video on youtube >> at:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g6wzIW1HvM >> >> it's about how to index and lock down the 4 jaw chuck to the head stock, >> just like the locking index hub. you can then use custom face plates for >> everything. >> >> all comments are welcome, >> Russ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 16 point twist
Took me a few minutes, but have it figured out. Thanks for the help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 16 point twist
I am authorised by Legacy to distribute that video. Contact me offlist to purchase. -TimOn Dec 8, 2017 10:36 AM, russ veinot wrote: > > that is strange. when i got mine all she did was copy it from a hard drive > to a dvd and sent it to me. they must be out of dvd's :>) > > ask them if you can get a copy of it from someone else? also, there are > places out there that for a fee, they can copy the vhs to dvd. no idea of > cost but how much can it cost? > > Russ > > > On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-6, Love to turn in Oregon wrote: >> >> Looking to dire up the 1200 and create some spindles. One section with a 16 >> point spiral. Unfortunately I gave away my VHS player last year. Can someone >> point me in the right direction on how this might be accomplished? I have >> the 24 position index gear. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 16 point twist
Hello Jeff. If you have the VHS tapes, I can burn them to DVD for you. C.A.G. On Friday, December 8, 2017 12:31 PM, Love to turn in Oregon wrote: Thanks. I called Legacy and was told that they sold out of the video. They did mention that they are in the process of putting them onto their website. Unfortunately the nice receptionist did not have a date of when they might be posted. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
