Re: Looking for some new projects.

[anthony]

I am reproducing five balusters that have a double-start barley twist.  A 
normal double-start twist, I would usually make by hand.  These balusters 
have four flats that parallel as a transition between each bead and cove 
along the twist.  These make it very difficult to work by hand.


I have gained access to a legacy 1000 mill.  Unfortunately, the travel of 
the twist is 2.25 inches.  That means that I either need a 2.25 or 9 gear; 
the latter could be used with the .25 reduction gear.  Unfortunately, the 
normal gear sets don't include either.  Not only have I never used a legacy 
mill, but I know little about making gears or working metal.


Do you have a suggestion?
Perhaps my previous message only reached you rather than the group as a 
whole.


anthony

Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 7:26 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



Very Nice Anthony!

Awesome wand.

Where did you find A Giraffe femur?


What I have been doing is cutting bone disks out of Cow bones, and then 
gluing the disks into a solid blanks for my turnings. sorta like making bone 
Plywood. It take more time to make the blank then it dose to turn it. But 
the results are very nice.

Please let us know more about what you are doing.


C.A.G.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 08:10:53 AM EST, anthony 
 wrote:



I read that you were considering turning some bone.
I have turned a couple of kinds of bone, this wand is made of Giraffe femur.
It is the densest bone, and has the largest cross section that I have used.
The other materials are Blackwood, Bocote, Pink Ivory, Boxwood, Verawood,
Satine, and Osage Orange.
I call it the Eveready Swiss Army Utility Wand.  Had to get the magical
batteries, the small pieces that screw into the base of the handle, by
seagull, the owls can't fly across the Atlantic, from the Eveready shop in
Diagon Alley.  The toothpick was necessary to quality for Swiss Army.
anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.


-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 8:20 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills
Subject: Looking for some new projects.


HI everyone.

I hope everyone  is well?

Its COLD in my shop, So I spent most of my day staying inside. I've been
looking for projects to play with on the Legacy and or my Lathe. On the
internet today.

I want to do some more bone turning, I have already cut out a number of bone
disks, I am looking forward to gluing them up into something that I can
turn, soon.
The problem is What should I make?
I don't like pen's!
I have already made a number of magnify glass's and other kits type of
projects.

I have gone to a number of dollar stores and hardware and thrift stores,
looking for cheaply made things that can be re-worked. but so far no luck
finding anything new.
So I thought I would ask you all.  Dose anyone know of a nice projects, that
you like to make? Family heirloom type of stuff.  Perhaps a letter opener?
or ???

Any and all ideas are welcome.

Looking forward to talking to you all more.

Have a good night.

C.A.G.




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Re: Looking for some new projects.

[anthony]

I bought the femur at

Atlantic Coral Enterprise, Inc.
5000 Crescent Technical Court
St. Augustine, FL 32086
Outside FL: 1-800-624-7964
Inside FL: 904-797-7478

I have never glued bone before.  I guess that you might need to boil it 
first.  Most of the bone I have worked with has a fair amount of oil in it. 
I have had some boiled bone, it seems leached of oil, but I have never 
turned it.


I am primarily a turner.  I have turned lots of things, but lately been 
making boxes for fun and balusters and similar things for money.


anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 7:26 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.



Very Nice Anthony!

Awesome wand.

Where did you find A Giraffe femur?


What I have been doing is cutting bone disks out of Cow bones, and then 
gluing the disks into a solid blanks for my turnings. sorta like making bone 
Plywood. It take more time to make the blank then it dose to turn it. But 
the results are very nice.

Please let us know more about what you are doing.


C.A.G.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 08:10:53 AM EST, anthony 
 wrote:



I read that you were considering turning some bone.
I have turned a couple of kinds of bone, this wand is made of Giraffe femur.
It is the densest bone, and has the largest cross section that I have used.
The other materials are Blackwood, Bocote, Pink Ivory, Boxwood, Verawood,
Satine, and Osage Orange.
I call it the Eveready Swiss Army Utility Wand.  Had to get the magical
batteries, the small pieces that screw into the base of the handle, by
seagull, the owls can't fly across the Atlantic, from the Eveready shop in
Diagon Alley.  The toothpick was necessary to quality for Swiss Army.
anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.


-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 8:20 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills
Subject: Looking for some new projects.


HI everyone.

I hope everyone  is well?

Its COLD in my shop, So I spent most of my day staying inside. I've been
looking for projects to play with on the Legacy and or my Lathe. On the
internet today.

I want to do some more bone turning, I have already cut out a number of bone
disks, I am looking forward to gluing them up into something that I can
turn, soon.
The problem is What should I make?
I don't like pen's!
I have already made a number of magnify glass's and other kits type of
projects.

I have gone to a number of dollar stores and hardware and thrift stores,
looking for cheaply made things that can be re-worked. but so far no luck
finding anything new.
So I thought I would ask you all.  Dose anyone know of a nice projects, that
you like to make? Family heirloom type of stuff.  Perhaps a letter opener?
or ???

Any and all ideas are welcome.

Looking forward to talking to you all more.

Have a good night.

C.A.G.




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['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Magnate sells a Legacy package of there router bits. depending on what your 
price range all are good.the 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" flat bottom router bit is the 
work horse of the machine. https://www.magnate.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=26  
this is the link.  
My wife told me when I bought my machine, buy what you want, don't worry about 
the price. (I bought what I needed not what I wanted.) Today I regret it, I 
would have saved a lot of time and money if I had taken her advice. I recommend 
to buy what you can now. 
C.A.G.On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 12:15:30 AM EST, Brett Giger 
 wrote:  
 
 Would you guys suggest that I get the magnate router  bit set?

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[Brett Giger]

Would you guys suggest that I get the magnate router  bit set?

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[Brett Giger]

I'd like to see a picture of the hollow core spiral technique you guys
mentioned

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[Brett Giger]

Thanks guys for all your help and guidance. Not used to such giving people!

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RE: Re:

[bulkeley]

If you get stuck Brett send the pics to me like the pic of your spiral and I 
will post them to the group for you. Did you end up getting a manual for your 
Mill I think curt was going to contact Tim K for you did that work out? Without 
a manual your working blind

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Brett Giger
Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 2021 9:41 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Re:

 

For some reason i cant see any photos on my phones e mail

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 9:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Everyone.

 

Nice photo.  

 

Bill your hollow/ core box idea is a good one, Another suggestion is to put 
another spindle inside the first, and if you reverse the pitches (the one 
inside and the outer pitch.) it makes a very neat contrast that is hard to 
figure out how it was carved. ;-)  another bonus would be that the center will 
also support the outer.  I would bet this spindle has a lot of movement/play in 
it, and would break if pushed or twisted in the wrong direction. something we 
would not want to chance.

 

Nice Work Bret.

Thanks Bill for posting.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 12:09:33 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Great information Bill. Yes a video would be awesome. 

Thanks for all your direction and advice. I appreciate it. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 8:36 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Another tip for hollow spirals is to make the blank in 2 pieces run a corbox 
bit down the middle from end to end of each piece then glue them together and 
mill it round ending up with a hole down the middle Of your blank, before you 
cut your hollow spiral slide a big dowel down the hole a nice firm fit but not 
tight then mill the spiral the dowel gives the spiral strength and stops 
vibration and possible braking of it you only mill through the blank to the 
dowel no deeper then when finished you slide the dowel out and there you have 
it. this is good on spirals 2 inches dia and larger

 

And multiple start hollow spirals I’m intending to do a video on this soon 
after a few more rosettes.

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 2021 12:37 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re:

 

Yea I need to watch some more videos on it and once I get my wifes cabinets 
done I may get

to play more. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

A good tip the larger the pitch the easier it is it makes the spiral more ridged

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2021 11:00 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re:

 

Yes pretty good for just gettig started. I haven't tried one of those yet. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 3:33 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Here is a pic Brett Giger sent to my email so I’m passing it on to the group

Nice hollow spiral Brett

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Brett Giger
Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2021 8:22 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re:

 

Thank you

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 10:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Brett

The Gears will give you the pitch, not starts. (sorry, this is going to get 
confusing. Let me start again.)

 

Pitch is how far, you travel in your cut, for every full rotation of the 
spindle.

 

As a General rule of Thumb, a good looking rope is normally 3-4 times the 
diameter of the spindle being turned. So if you have a 1" spindle a 3" or 4" 
pitch would look best. But the same pitch with a larger spindle (lets say 4") 
would look more like an All-thread rod...

The number of starts is normally done with the spacing of your cut. which is in 
part, both the pitch 

Re: Re:

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 I dont know much about mobile phones.but I did find this. 
https://support.google.com/photos/answer/6131416?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid=en
 
https://support.google.com/photos/forum/zDQC9KEEm79D7eEUS4/?hl=en=d/topic/photos/Em79D7eEUS4
perhaps these will help?

C.A.G.
On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 08:16:07 AM EST, Brett Giger 
 wrote:  
 
 For some reason i cant see any photos on my phones e mail
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 9:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

 Hello Everyone.
Nice photo.  
Bill your hollow/ core box idea is a good one, Another suggestion is to put 
another spindle inside the first, and if you reverse the pitches (the one 
inside and the outer pitch.) it makes a very neat contrast that is hard to 
figure out how it was carved. ;-)  another bonus would be that the center will 
also support the outer.  I would bet this spindle has a lot of movement/play in 
it, and would break if pushed or twisted in the wrong direction. something we 
would not want to chance.
Nice Work Bret.Thanks Bill for posting.
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 12:09:33 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Great information Bill. Yes a video would be awesome. Thanks for all your 
direction and advice. I appreciate it. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 8:36 AM  wrote:


Another tip for hollow spirals is to make the blank in 2 pieces run a corbox 
bit down the middle from end to end of each piece then glue them together and 
mill it round ending up with a hole down the middle Of your blank, before you 
cut your hollow spiral slide a big dowel down the hole a nice firm fit but not 
tight then mill the spiral the dowel gives the spiral strength and stops 
vibration and possible braking of it you only mill through the blank to the 
dowel no deeper then when finished you slide the dowel out and there you have 
it. this is good on spirals 2 inches dia and larger

 

And multiple start hollow spirals I’m intending to do a video on this soon 
after a few more rosettes.

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 2021 12:37 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:

 

Yea I need to watch some more videos on it and once I get my wifes cabinets 
done I may get

to play more. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM  wrote:


A good tip the larger the pitch the easier it is it makes the spiral more ridged

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2021 11:00 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:

 

Yes pretty good for just gettig started. I haven't tried one of those yet. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 3:33 AM  wrote:


Here is a pic Brett Giger sent to my email so I’m passing it on to the group

Nice hollow spiral Brett

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Brett Giger
Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2021 8:22 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:

 

Thank you

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 10:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:


Hello Brett

The Gears will give you the pitch, not starts. (sorry, this is going to get 
confusing. Let me start again.)

 

Pitch is how far, you travel in your cut, for every full rotation of the 
spindle.

 

As a General rule of Thumb, a good looking rope is normally 3-4 times the 
diameter of the spindle being turned. So if you have a 1" spindle a 3" or 4" 
pitch would look best. But the same pitch with a larger spindle (lets say 4") 
would look more like an All-thread rod...

The number of starts is normally done with the spacing of your cut. which is in 
part, both the pitch and the size of the router bit used. (spacing of the 
cut/or space left, in-between your cut.)

Here are some files on this topic. I hope they help?

 

The Math links are more to the roping, and the dividing are more for reading or 
fluting. 

I will try to find Legacy's training videos. (My links no longer work.) 

 

Legacy made a number of video's on milling topics. Most were put onto DVD or 
VHS tape. They also put a number on You tube.

For the time being...

 

Mike Pung has some very good video on his own methods of turning, that are 
different form what Legacy teaches. I think Mike's concepts are a bit less 
confusing. check these out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw=9s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o=7s 

 

If all else fails, I have my own methods that I use. that work's very well for 
me. 

Re: Looking for some new projects.

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Very Nice Anthony! 
Awesome wand.
Where did you find A Giraffe femur?
What I have been doing is cutting bone disks out of Cow bones, and then gluing 
the disks into a solid blanks for my turnings. sorta like making bone Plywood. 
It take more time to make the blank then it dose to turn it. But the results 
are very nice.Please let us know more about what you are doing.   
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 08:10:53 AM EST, anthony 
 wrote:  
 
 I read that you were considering turning some bone.
I have turned a couple of kinds of bone, this wand is made of Giraffe femur. 
It is the densest bone, and has the largest cross section that I have used.
The other materials are Blackwood, Bocote, Pink Ivory, Boxwood, Verawood, 
Satine, and Osage Orange.
I call it the Eveready Swiss Army Utility Wand.  Had to get the magical 
batteries, the small pieces that screw into the base of the handle, by 
seagull, the owls can't fly across the Atlantic, from the Eveready shop in 
Diagon Alley.  The toothpick was necessary to quality for Swiss Army.
anthony


Since humans quit looking when they think or feel they KNOW the answer,
and the answer they decide on is so rarely correct or complete,
It is better to decide that one doesn't know and thus never quit looking.

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 8:20 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills
Subject: Looking for some new projects.


HI everyone.

I hope everyone  is well?

Its COLD in my shop, So I spent most of my day staying inside. I've been
looking for projects to play with on the Legacy and or my Lathe. On the 
internet today.

I want to do some more bone turning, I have already cut out a number of bone 
disks, I am looking forward to gluing them up into something that I can 
turn, soon.
The problem is What should I make?
I don't like pen's!
I have already made a number of magnify glass's and other kits type of 
projects.

I have gone to a number of dollar stores and hardware and thrift stores, 
looking for cheaply made things that can be re-worked. but so far no luck 
finding anything new.
So I thought I would ask you all.  Dose anyone know of a nice projects, that 
you like to make? Family heirloom type of stuff.  Perhaps a letter opener? 
or ???

Any and all ideas are welcome.

Looking forward to talking to you all more.

Have a good night.

C.A.G.



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Re: Re:

[Brett Giger]

For some reason i cant see any photos on my phones e mail

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 9:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
>
> Nice photo.
>
> Bill your hollow/ core box idea is a good one, Another suggestion is to
> put another spindle inside the first, and if you reverse the pitches (the
> one inside and the outer pitch.) it makes a very neat contrast that is hard
> to figure out how it was carved. ;-)  another bonus would be that the
> center will also support the outer.  I would bet this spindle has a lot of
> movement/play in it, and would break if pushed or twisted in the wrong
> direction. something we would not want to chance.
>
> Nice Work Bret.
> Thanks Bill for posting.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 12:09:33 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Great information Bill. Yes a video would be awesome.
> Thanks for all your direction and advice. I appreciate it.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 8:36 AM  wrote:
>
> Another tip for hollow spirals is to make the blank in 2 pieces run a
> corbox bit down the middle from end to end of each piece then glue them
> together and mill it round ending up with a hole down the middle Of your
> blank, before you cut your hollow spiral slide a big dowel down the hole a
> nice firm fit but not tight then mill the spiral the dowel gives the spiral
> strength and stops vibration and possible braking of it you only mill
> through the blank to the dowel no deeper then when finished you slide the
> dowel out and there you have it. this is good on spirals 2 inches dia and
> larger
>
>
>
> And multiple start hollow spirals I’m intending to do a video on this soon
> after a few more rosettes.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 February 2021 12:37 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re:
>
>
>
> Yea I need to watch some more videos on it and once I get my wifes
> cabinets done I may get
>
> to play more.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM  wrote:
>
> A good tip the larger the pitch the easier it is it makes the spiral more
> ridged
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 16 February 2021 11:00 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re:
>
>
>
> Yes pretty good for just gettig started. I haven't tried one of those yet.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 3:33 AM  wrote:
>
> Here is a pic Brett Giger sent to my email so I’m passing it on to the
> group
>
> Nice hollow spiral Brett
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Brett Giger
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 February 2021 8:22 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re:
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 10:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Brett
>
> The Gears will give you the pitch, not starts. (sorry, this is going to
> get confusing. Let me start again.)
>
>
>
> Pitch is how far, you travel in your cut, for every full rotation of the
> spindle.
>
>
>
> As a General rule of Thumb, a good looking rope is normally 3-4 times the
> diameter of the spindle being turned. So if you have a 1" spindle a 3" or
> 4" pitch would look best. But the same pitch with a larger spindle (lets
> say 4") would look more like an All-thread rod...
>
> The number of starts is normally done with the spacing of your cut. which
> is in part, both the pitch and the size of the router bit used. (spacing of
> the cut/or space left, in-between your cut.)
>
> Here are some files on this topic. I hope they help?
>
>
>
> The Math links are more to the roping, and the dividing are more for
> reading or fluting.
>
> I will try to find Legacy's training videos. (My links no longer work.)
>
>
>
> Legacy made a number of video's on milling topics. Most were put onto DVD
> or VHS tape. They also put a number on You tube.
>
> For the time being...
>
>
>
> Mike Pung has some very good video on his own methods of turning, that are
> different form what Legacy teaches. I think Mike's concepts are a bit less
> confusing. check these out.
>
> 

[no subject]

[Brett Giger]

Im a total rookie, but here goes i used a piece of pressure treat 4x4, spun
it round on my wood lathe i used a straight bit to get thru, and a 1/4
round with the bearing cut off to get the spirals round the pitch is  what
ever came on my 1000, not sure i got a lot to learn and i just eyeballed my
starting points, thanks for asking , ive been intriged with spirals since i
was a kid?, having fun actually making some at 50 , i remember seeing a
router crafter when i was 7 years old always wanted one now i have a legacy
and im stoked, cant wait to learn more, all the mods you guys have on your
machines are hard to comprehend, really cool stuff, i need to really pay
attention

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[Tim Ziegler]

There you go. Good place for caned goods & washer and dryer too.


On Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 7:04 AM Michael Kratky  wrote:

> Basements are great for seasoning and storing wood as long as the wife
> doesn’t mind sharing the same space with her wardrobe; most weekend
> woodworkers/turners have their shops there here in the northeast not
> something I recommend due to the noise and dust but any shop is better than
> no shop especially when it’s a consistent 60-68°F.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Kratky
>
> Electrical Fire Underwriter Inspector and Consultant
>
> Commonwealth Electrical Inspection Services, Inc
>
> NY State Greater Capital District-Adirondack Regions
>
> 119 Riverview Road
>
> Northville, NY 12134
>
> theinspect...@roadrunner.com
>
> (518) 863-8800 ofc
>
> (518) 207-7247 mobile
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2021 6:54 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
>
> Hey we had a heat wave here the temp only got down to -17 below. lol
>
> Basements are great. about 90 percent of them have basements in minn.
>
> We have tile around our newer addition and the older part has a stone &
> morter, topped with a
>
> couple courses of block. All the older part from the 40's. Not finished in
> old part. We do have
>
> a few streams coming through the old basement and it goes right to the
> floor drain.
>
> The new part we have a sump pump that the tiles drain into.
>
> Basements are great. But some times the single level would be better. We
> have 3 floors.
>
> upstairs, main level and Basement.
>
> Anyways a bit of the topic but 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 12:25 AM M.W.Foscue 
> wrote:
>
> Curtis - Where do you live that it is -12ºF?!
>
>
>
> Tim and others:  In Ely, Minnie-soda it is (at this moment) -22ºF - and in
> Fairbanks Alaska it is a "balmy" +10ºF for comparison!
>
> Moral here?  Move to Fairbanks!  LoL
>
>
>
> Yes - basements are GREAT - provided the water table allows them.   Like
> you said - very moderate/stable temperature year round.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Feb 17, 2021 12:46 AM
> To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com"
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
> Hello again everyone, this topic has taken off...
>
>
>
> First with Bill's heat.  I suggested a few years back, when he was
> re-building his house and workshop, to earth berm his house and perhaps
> even dig a basement.
>
> he said that this kind of things just were not done over there.  Earth is
> an good insulator for both hot and cold.
>
>
>
> As for me, I have a two car detached un-heated work shop, I use a radiant
> Kerosene heater.
> https://www.amazon.com/REMINGTON-REM-80-OFR-Radiant-Heating-Square/dp/B07GF9JQ1F
>  I
> very much like my heater. its not as cheap as it once was to use, but this
> heater is quite and heats the shop nicely when I am working out there. I
> normally go through appx. 50 gal per winter.
>
> For me digging another basement and earth breaming my place just isn't as
> easy in  a city environment. ;-(  But perhaps... anything can be made
> possible. ;-)
>
>
>
> Take care everyone, It's  -12 F* out tonight. Stay worm.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
> --
>
> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 01:23:00 PM EST, Michael Kratky <
> krat...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Timothy,
>
>
>
> Like anything in this world we are constantly repairing or upgrading, 4
> days ago it was the blower motor on the pellet stove, yesterday it was
> replacing the belts on the snow thrower, today it’s a leaky hydraulic ram
> on the tractor loader.
>
>
>
> Can’t say enough good things about the LP gas Rinnai EX 38CWP wall heater,
> super efficient, dependable, care free, has 2 washable stainless steel mesh
> filters, a water reservoir to add necessary humidity, easy installation,
> only complaint is they keep increasing in cost my 1st one 5 years ago was
> $1200 now their close to $2200; actually have 3 of them between my 2nd
> house, my wife’s art studio and the shop.
>
>
>
> Apparently you sent your Minnesota weather to my brother in Texas, here in
> Northville, NY its 36° freezing rain with a big snow storm on its way in 2
> days.
>
>
>
> Michael
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2021 12:04 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
>
> Hey Michael,
>
> thanks for replying back. Always interesting to 

RE: Looking for some new projects.

[Michael Kratky]

Basements are great for seasoning and storing wood as long as the wife doesn’t 
mind sharing the same space with her wardrobe; most weekend woodworkers/turners 
have their shops there here in the northeast not something I recommend due to 
the noise and dust but any shop is better than no shop especially when it’s a 
consistent 60-68°F.

 

 

Michael Kratky

Electrical Fire Underwriter Inspector and Consultant 

Commonwealth Electrical Inspection Services, Inc 

NY State Greater Capital District-Adirondack Regions

119 Riverview Road

Northville, NY 12134

theinspect...@roadrunner.com

(518) 863-8800 ofc

(518) 207-7247 mobile

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 6:54 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.

 

Hey we had a heat wave here the temp only got down to -17 below. lol

Basements are great. about 90 percent of them have basements in minn. 

We have tile around our newer addition and the older part has a stone & morter, 
topped with a

couple courses of block. All the older part from the 40's. Not finished in old 
part. We do have

a few streams coming through the old basement and it goes right to the floor 
drain. 

The new part we have a sump pump that the tiles drain into. 

Basements are great. But some times the single level would be better. We have 3 
floors. 

upstairs, main level and Basement. 

Anyways a bit of the topic but  


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 12:25 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

Curtis - Where do you live that it is -12ºF?!

 

Tim and others:  In Ely, Minnie-soda it is (at this moment) -22ºF - and in 
Fairbanks Alaska it is a "balmy" +10ºF for comparison!

Moral here?  Move to Fairbanks!  LoL

 

Yes - basements are GREAT - provided the water table allows them.   Like you 
said - very moderate/stable temperature year round.

Mac


  _  


-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 17, 2021 12:46 AM 
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects. 

Hello again everyone, this topic has taken off...

 

First with Bill's heat.  I suggested a few years back, when he was re-building 
his house and workshop, to earth berm his house and perhaps even dig a basement.

he said that this kind of things just were not done over there.  Earth is an 
good insulator for both hot and cold.

 

As for me, I have a two car detached un-heated work shop, I use a radiant 
Kerosene 
heater.https://www.amazon.com/REMINGTON-REM-80-OFR-Radiant-Heating-Square/dp/B07GF9JQ1F
 I very much like my heater. its not as cheap as it once was to use, but this 
heater is quite and heats the shop nicely when I am working out there. I 
normally go through appx. 50 gal per winter. 

For me digging another basement and earth breaming my place just isn't as easy 
in  a city environment. ;-(  But perhaps... anything can be made possible. ;-)

 

Take care everyone, It's  -12 F* out tonight. Stay worm.

 

C.A.G.


  _  


On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 01:23:00 PM EST, Michael Kratky 
 wrote: 

 

Hello Timothy,

 

Like anything in this world we are constantly repairing or upgrading, 4 days 
ago it was the blower motor on the pellet stove, yesterday it was replacing the 
belts on the snow thrower, today it’s a leaky hydraulic ram on the tractor 
loader.

 

Can’t say enough good things about the LP gas Rinnai EX 38CWP wall heater, 
super efficient, dependable, care free, has 2 washable stainless steel mesh 
filters, a water reservoir to add necessary humidity, easy installation, only 
complaint is they keep increasing in cost my 1st one 5 years ago was $1200 now 
their close to $2200; actually have 3 of them between my 2nd house, my wife’s 
art studio and the shop. 

 

Apparently you sent your Minnesota weather to my brother in Texas, here in 
Northville, NY its 36° freezing rain with a big snow storm on its way in 2 
days. 

 

Michael


  _  


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 12:04 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.

 

Hey Michael, 

thanks for replying back. Always interesting to hear what others are using. 

Have you ever had to put in any parts? Sounds like it works pretty well for you.

Tell me a little more about the wall unit you're using?

 

You're very welcome on the weather. I never like to keep things for myself and 
my Mom taught me to share especially 

gifts like a long winded Polar Vortex. lol. Sounds like by the weekend we may  
be out of the basement for a while. 

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. 

Re: Looking for some new projects.

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey we had a heat wave here the temp only got down to -17 below. lol
Basements are great. about 90 percent of them have basements in minn.
We have tile around our newer addition and the older part has a stone &
morter, topped with a
couple courses of block. All the older part from the 40's. Not finished in
old part. We do have
a few streams coming through the old basement and it goes right to the
floor drain.
The new part we have a sump pump that the tiles drain into.
Basements are great. But some times the single level would be better. We
have 3 floors.
upstairs, main level and Basement.
Anyways a bit of the topic but 
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 12:25 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Curtis - Where do you live that it is -12ºF?!
>
> Tim and others:  In Ely, Minnie-soda it is (at this moment) -22ºF - and in
> Fairbanks Alaska it is a "balmy" +10ºF for comparison!
> Moral here?  Move to Fairbanks!  LoL
>
> Yes - basements are GREAT - provided the water table allows them.   Like
> you said - very moderate/stable temperature year round.
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Feb 17, 2021 12:46 AM
> To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com"
> Subject: Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
> Hello again everyone, this topic has taken off...
>
> First with Bill's heat.  I suggested a few years back, when he was
> re-building his house and workshop, to earth berm his house and perhaps
> even dig a basement.
> he said that this kind of things just were not done over there.  Earth is
> an good insulator for both hot and cold.
>
> As for me, I have a two car detached un-heated work shop, I use a radiant
> Kerosene heater.
> https://www.amazon.com/REMINGTON-REM-80-OFR-Radiant-Heating-Square/dp/B07GF9JQ1F
>  I
> very much like my heater. its not as cheap as it once was to use, but this
> heater is quite and heats the shop nicely when I am working out there. I
> normally go through appx. 50 gal per winter.
> For me digging another basement and earth breaming my place just isn't as
> easy in  a city environment. ;-(  But perhaps... anything can be made
> possible. ;-)
>
> Take care everyone, It's  -12 F* out tonight. Stay worm.
>
> C.A.G.
> --
> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 01:23:00 PM EST, Michael Kratky <
> krat...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Timothy,
>
>
>
> Like anything in this world we are constantly repairing or upgrading, 4
> days ago it was the blower motor on the pellet stove, yesterday it was
> replacing the belts on the snow thrower, today it’s a leaky hydraulic ram
> on the tractor loader.
>
>
>
> Can’t say enough good things about the LP gas Rinnai EX 38CWP wall
> heater, super efficient, dependable, care free, has 2 washable stainless
> steel mesh filters, a water reservoir to add necessary humidity, easy
> installation, only complaint is they keep increasing in cost my 1st one 5
> years ago was $1200 now their close to $2200; actually have 3 of them
> between my 2nd house, my wife’s art studio and the shop.
>
>
>
> Apparently you sent your Minnesota weather to my brother in Texas, here in
> Northville, NY its 36° freezing rain with a big snow storm on its way in 2
> days.
>
>
>
> Michael
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2021 12:04 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Looking for some new projects.
>
>
>
> Hey Michael,
>
> thanks for replying back. Always interesting to hear what others are
> using.
>
> Have you ever had to put in any parts? Sounds like it works pretty well
> for you.
>
> Tell me a little more about the wall unit you're using?
>
>
>
> You're very welcome on the weather. I never like to keep things for myself
> and my Mom taught me to share especially
>
> gifts like a long winded Polar Vortex. lol. Sounds like by the weekend we
> may  be out of the basement for a while.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:27 AM Michael Kratky 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Timothy,
>
>
>
> It’s an American Harvest about 12 years old designed to burn most anything
> (but not coal), have burned corn and even cherry pits in it but now just
> wood pellets as that’s all I can find; cost me about $7.50/day to heat my
> 2400 sq ft home at a comfortable 70°F during the coldest times January,
> February, and March.
>
>
>
> 1200 sq ft shop is a super efficient Rinnai EX 38CWP propane wall furnace
> that cost me only about $2/day to heat at a constant 60°F.
>
>
>
> Thanks for send you weather my way,
>
>
>
> Michael Kratky
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

RE:

[bulkeley]

Brett are you still out there? can you please tell us a bit more about your 
hollow spiral like what pitch you used, the dia of it which cutter you used 
what wood you made it from all very interesting stuff to share. I assume you 
sent me your pic to post to the group there was no message with your pic

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2021 8:33 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE:

 

Here is a pic Brett Giger sent to my email so I’m passing it on to the group

Nice hollow spiral Brett

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Brett Giger
Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2021 8:22 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re:

 

Thank you

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 10:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Brett

The Gears will give you the pitch, not starts. (sorry, this is going to get 
confusing. Let me start again.)

 

Pitch is how far, you travel in your cut, for every full rotation of the 
spindle.

 

As a General rule of Thumb, a good looking rope is normally 3-4 times the 
diameter of the spindle being turned. So if you have a 1" spindle a 3" or 4" 
pitch would look best. But the same pitch with a larger spindle (lets say 4") 
would look more like an All-thread rod...

The number of starts is normally done with the spacing of your cut. which is in 
part, both the pitch and the size of the router bit used. (spacing of the 
cut/or space left, in-between your cut.)

Here are some files on this topic. I hope they help?

 

The Math links are more to the roping, and the dividing are more for reading or 
fluting. 

I will try to find Legacy's training videos. (My links no longer work.) 

 

Legacy made a number of video's on milling topics. Most were put onto DVD or 
VHS tape. They also put a number on You tube.

For the time being...

 

Mike Pung has some very good video on his own methods of turning, that are 
different form what Legacy teaches. I think Mike's concepts are a bit less 
confusing. check these out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw 
 =9s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o 
 =7s 

 

If all else fails, I have my own methods that I use. that work's very well for 
me. (but I don't want to muddy the water any more than what I, already have.) 
We can go over my ideas latter. ;-)

 

Have  a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 12:40:31 AM EST, Brett Giger 
mailto:brettgiger1...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I'm new with the Legacy I got the Legacy 1000 the only the gears on it cuz 
wondering what gear I would need it's been four flutes in a 4in spindle kind of 
like my router Crafter?

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