date:20221230

Oh I see god I’m stupid sometimes lol still getting use to the modern lazy way 
of writing 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 4:18 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: router crafter

 

Bill,

 

I'm still hoping to hear from some folks in The Group - as regards if they 
think The Woodworking Show will go on as they have been told.

 

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion.  鸞

Mac

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From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: Dec 30, 2022 1:19 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: router crafter

 

Mac

 

IMHO  what’s that sorry I get a head ach if I turn upside down to read that 
 lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2022 4:48 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: router crafter

 

Michael,

Do you really expect to see TWWS show up in W. Springfield, MA?

I find it hard to buy into a "show" that can't get the word out better than 2-3 
weeks before "kickoff".

They are supposed to start in Baltimore in a week+.  None of us here in that 
area are holding our hopes up (not trusting) that it will pan out (

or

be worth it).

 

After what happened to many of us that paid up front for what was to be 
recorded sessions that we'd be able to watch as we wanted over the next 12 
months?  Not likely!

There's a competing "Show" -

"Woodworking Expo"(?)  They have announced their schedule for this Spring 
through early Summer.  Check them out.  More likely to happen - IMHO.Happy New 
Year - to all ya'll!Mac

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From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: Dec 30, 2022 12:21 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: router crafter

 

Top of the morningTim,

No,  like my LOM 1200 I don’t use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods 
interested in them make me an offer.

 

Interestingly of all the Clubs I’ve belonged to over the years and all of the 
symposiums I’ve attended all over the country not a single woodworker or 
woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy Ornamental 
Mill for that matter.

 

The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut down 
for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in West 
Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only Club I’m 
still active with even though I’m 2 1/2 hours away.

 

Michael Kratky

  _  

  _  

On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Did you do much with it Michael?

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

  _  

  _  

On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:

I still have the Router Crafter in its ent

Michael Kratky

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  _  

On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

 

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=iQhJS4MZ5nQ_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions

 some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by adjusting 
the stops on the cable they make use

of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.

Bill

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RE: router crafter

2022-12-30 Thread M.W.Foscue

Bill,

I'm still hoping to hear from some folks in The Group - as regards if they 
think The Woodworking Show will go on as they have been told.

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion.  鸞
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 30, 2022 1:19 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: router crafter

Mac
 
IMHO  whats that sorry I get a head ach if I turn upside down to 
read that  lol
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2022 4:48 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: router crafter


Michael,
Do you really expect to see TWWS show up in W. Springfield, MA?
I find it hard to buy into a "show" that can't get the word out better than 2-3 
weeks before "kickoff".
They are supposed to start in Baltimore in a week+.  None of us here in that 
area are holding our hopes up (not trusting) that it will pan out (

or
be worth it).

After what happened to many of us that paid up front for what was to be 
recorded sessions that we'd be able to watch as we wanted over the next 12 
months?  Not likely!
There's a competing "Show" -
"Woodworking Expo"(?)  They have announced their schedule for this Spring 
through early Summer.  Check them out.  More likely to happen - IMHO.Happy New 
Year - to all ya'll!Mac


-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Sent: Dec 30, 2022 12:21 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com)>
Subject: Re: router crafter

Top of the morningTim,

No,  like my LOM 1200 I dont use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods 
interested in them make me an offer.

Interestingly of all the Clubs Ive belonged to over the years and all of 
the symposiums Ive attended all over the country not a single woodworker 
or woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy 
Ornamental Mill for that matter.



The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut down 
for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in West 
Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only Club 
Im still active with even though Im 2 1/2 hours away.


Michael Kratky



On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)> wrote:

Did you do much with it Michael?

Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler






On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com)> wrote:


I still have the Router Crafter in its ent
Michael Kratky



On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au)> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktopv=iQhJS4MZ5nQab_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions
 
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktopv=iQhJS4MZ5nQab_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions)

 some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by adjusting 
the stops on the cable they make use

of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.

Bill
















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RE: triton router

I see sorry I didn’t get what you said 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 1:33 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: triton router

 

just recapping that I still run some of the smaller routers like we discussed 
earlier on. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 6:26 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

though Bill

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 11:22 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: triton router

 

I still run with some of the smaller routers like I mentioned though Bill. so 
all good. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:03 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Not a problem Tim it was just my opinion and opinions are like ass holes 
everybody has one

Even down under lol well that was sort of a pun

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 7:04 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: triton router

 

Yup there you go Mike. I'm the same way. I have 3 different router table set 
ups as well. More is better. Bigger is better lol. 

Sorry Bill I got caught in the moment. lol 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:28 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) mailto:legacym...@iglide.net> > wrote:

Not to brag but I have 7 of the Makita 3-1/4 hp routers.  Stick with one brand 
and size and you will always have a quick swap if there is an issue.  Like Norm 
Abrams used to say, " I don't change bits, I change routers!"

I do have a couple trim routers for hand work but other than that, it's power 
baby!

Mike OK

On 12/29/2022 9:16 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Hey Bill,  

 

 

Are you trying to catch up to me on the router count? lol 

I'll be honest I have the smaller router now on my REVO HYBRID EXT which is a 2 
1/4 or 2 1/2 hp router. Bosch in ht Z access

thats the main router on the HYBRID, I also have a 3 1/4 Makita plunge on the 
standard carriage same machine 2 routers.

My 1200 has 2 routers on as well. on the Z I have the BIG porter cable and on 
the standard carriage I also have a 3 1/4 makita. 

Those makita's are sweet routers. 

On my actual Revo I have again a Makita which is a 2 1/4 another plunge 
convert. 

My steely has no router on at this time but my 1500 has the big Porter Cable on 
the standard carriage, and the woodchuck has 

a Craftsman Professional plunge I believe it's 2 1/4 as well. 

so where is the picture of this hotrod Tritan Bill?? 

 

. 

Kind Regards, 

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 8:55 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Hey Tim Z and all I just can’t help myself I’m broke since Christmas 

And I just bought another as new triton router lol the price was just too good 
and I love triton routers 

I’m borrowing off my son to do it. it’s the 1400W version

which in my opinion is the best size for most legacy’s those thumping big

routers everyone puts on their legacys are just not necessary. if your slowing 
down

A 1400W router with a big cut your taking too big and or too fast a cut, bad 
for the router bit

bad for the legacy and for the router, you saw the video I did where I was 
ripping off lots

of material in a big cut that was a 1400W router and it eat it up what more do 
people want.

Some of those big router bits run into a few hundred dollars I for one look 
after them like gold.

Just my opinion 

 

Bill

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Re: triton router

just recapping that I still run some of the smaller routers like we
discussed earlier on.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 6:26 PM  wrote:

> though Bill
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, 31 December 2022 11:22 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: triton router
>
>
>
> I still run with some of the smaller routers like I mentioned though Bill.
> so all good.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:03 PM  wrote:
>
> Not a problem Tim it was just my opinion and opinions are like ass holes
> everybody has one
>
> Even down under lol well that was sort of a pun
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, 31 December 2022 7:04 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: triton router
>
>
>
> Yup there you go Mike. I'm the same way. I have 3 different router table
> set ups as well. More is better. Bigger is better lol.
>
> Sorry Bill I got caught in the moment. lol
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:28 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
> legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:
>
> Not to brag but I have 7 of the Makita 3-1/4 hp routers.  Stick with one
> brand and size and you will always have a quick swap if there is an issue.
> Like Norm Abrams used to say, " I don't change bits, I change routers!"
>
> I do have a couple trim routers for hand work but other than that, it's
> power baby!
>
> Mike OK
>
> On 12/29/2022 9:16 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
>
>
>
>
> Are you trying to catch up to me on the router count? lol
>
> I'll be honest I have the smaller router now on my REVO HYBRID EXT which
> is a 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 hp router. Bosch in ht Z access
>
> thats the main router on the HYBRID, I also have a 3 1/4 Makita plunge on
> the standard carriage same machine 2 routers.
>
> My 1200 has 2 routers on as well. on the Z I have the BIG porter cable and
> on the standard carriage I also have a 3 1/4 makita.
>
> Those makita's are sweet routers.
>
> On my actual Revo I have again a Makita which is a 2 1/4 another plunge
> convert.
>
> My steely has no router on at this time but my 1500 has the big Porter
> Cable on the standard carriage, and the woodchuck has
>
> a Craftsman Professional plunge I believe it's 2 1/4 as well.
>
> so where is the picture of this hotrod Tritan Bill??
>
>
>
> .
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 8:55 PM  wrote:
>
> Hey Tim Z and all I just can’t help myself I’m broke since Christmas
>
> And I just bought another as new triton router lol the price was just too
> good and I love triton routers
>
> I’m borrowing off my son to do it. it’s the 1400W version
>
> which in my opinion is the best size for most legacy’s those thumping big
>
> routers everyone puts on their legacys are just not necessary. if your
> slowing down
>
> A 1400W router with a big cut your taking too big and or too fast a cut,
> bad for the router bit
>
> bad for the legacy and for the router, you saw the video I did where I was
> ripping off lots
>
> of material in a big cut that was a 1400W router and it eat it up what
> more do people want.
>
> Some of those big router bits run into a few hundred dollars I for one
> look after them like gold.
>
> Just my opinion
>
>
>
> Bill
>
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RE: triton router

though Bill

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 11:22 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: triton router

I still run with some of the smaller routers like I mentioned though Bill. so 
all good. 

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:03 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Not a problem Tim it was just my opinion and opinions are like ass holes 
everybody has one

Even down under lol well that was sort of a pun

Bill

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 7:04 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: triton router

Yup there you go Mike. I'm the same way. I have 3 different router table set 
ups as well. More is better. Bigger is better lol. 

Sorry Bill I got caught in the moment. lol 

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:28 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) mailto:legacym...@iglide.net> > wrote:

Not to brag but I have 7 of the Makita 3-1/4 hp routers.  Stick with one brand 
and size and you will always have a quick swap if there is an issue.  Like Norm 
Abrams used to say, " I don't change bits, I change routers!"

I do have a couple trim routers for hand work but other than that, it's power 
baby!

Mike OK

On 12/29/2022 9:16 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Hey Bill,  

Are you trying to catch up to me on the router count? lol 

I'll be honest I have the smaller router now on my REVO HYBRID EXT which is a 2 
1/4 or 2 1/2 hp router. Bosch in ht Z access

thats the main router on the HYBRID, I also have a 3 1/4 Makita plunge on the 
standard carriage same machine 2 routers.

My 1200 has 2 routers on as well. on the Z I have the BIG porter cable and on 
the standard carriage I also have a 3 1/4 makita. 

Those makita's are sweet routers. 

On my actual Revo I have again a Makita which is a 2 1/4 another plunge 
convert. 

My steely has no router on at this time but my 1500 has the big Porter Cable on 
the standard carriage, and the woodchuck has 

a Craftsman Professional plunge I believe it's 2 1/4 as well. 

so where is the picture of this hotrod Tritan Bill?? 

. 

Kind Regards, 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 8:55 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Hey Tim Z and all I just can’t help myself I’m broke since Christmas 

And I just bought another as new triton router lol the price was just too good 
and I love triton routers 

I’m borrowing off my son to do it. it’s the 1400W version

which in my opinion is the best size for most legacy’s those thumping big

routers everyone puts on their legacys are just not necessary. if your slowing 
down

A 1400W router with a big cut your taking too big and or too fast a cut, bad 
for the router bit

bad for the legacy and for the router, you saw the video I did where I was 
ripping off lots

of material in a big cut that was a 1400W router and it eat it up what more do 
people want.

Some of those big router bits run into a few hundred dollars I for one look 
after them like gold.

Just my opinion 

Bill

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Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

Yeah I think they continue to wear into each other and thats so mi-nute. A
person would really have to jamb it and have an oversized drive motor to do
that.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 6:04 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:

> I used the same gears for 27 years and still are ready to go.  They are
> all scratched up on the sides but they are completely reliable without any
> tooth jumping shenanigans.  The Standard gears were the most used.
>
> Mike OK
> On 12/30/2022 3:12 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> I have never heard of any of the metal gears ever being damaged during use
> ever, unless abused by the operator
>
> like if the mill fell over onto the floor or something so yes your right
> lost along the way
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
>  *On Behalf Of *Mike Newman
> *Sent:* Saturday, 31 December 2022 12:16 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set
>
>
>
> The machine I'm looking at now is a 1200.  The owner(who bought it used)
> cannot find any drive gears other than the one on the unit.  Also
> interesting enough as I had said before the reversing gear set is on the
> machine and they cannot find the left hand directional gear.  The person
> said they bought to do spirals and such ,but then headed in another
> direction so did not actually use.  My gut is telling me that they either
> bought it not understanding what it was missing and then found it to be non
> functional for what they needed with the missing gears and therefore it set
> unused.  Or they just misplaced the most important parts over time and now
> cant find them.  What I find interesting is that so far any machine that I
> have seen that is lower priced is missing these gears and therefore not a
> current option, but every machine that has the gears appears to be over
> priced for what I'm willing to pay for an obsolete machine with a limited
> specific functionality.  I assume that under normal usage the gears should
> not be wearing out, but could they get damaged in use?  If not then
> obviously all of these gears are being lost along the way.
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 5:53:11 AM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Curt my manual said that the 900 only came with the left hand
> directional gear set.
>
> If you wanted both you had to order it?
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
> Hello Mike.
>
>
>
> Remember that the Legacy comes with 7 drive gears, and at least one
> Standard gear set. and two directional gears sets, Beyond that everything
> is Gravy!
>
>
>
> I find it very funny that most Second hand Legacy's you can find on the
> market today, are missing gears. I have no idea why?  Its not like they
> will fit any other machine on the market, or have any other uses.
>
> BUT The last Three Legacy's that I've bought second hand were all missing
> the gears.
>
>
>
> So knowing this, Perhaps it could be a good way to get someone selling a
> Legacy to lower the price, if they are missing parts?
>
> Many of these people have no idea on what they have, its just something
> taking up space, and they just want to get rid of it.
>
>
>
> Wish you luck on finding your own Legacy.
>
>
>
> talk to you more latter.
>
>
>
> Have a good night.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 01:48:05 PM EST, Mike Newman <
> mrnew...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I am looking at another 1200 mill that the owner is trying to find the
> drives gears other than the 1 on the machine.  Also it currently shows what
> I believe is the reversing gear set (2 small gears in housing}on the mill
> but not showing a photo of the std single gear with mounting u-channel.  Is
> this as big an issue as not having drive gears?
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Re: triton router

I still run with some of the smaller routers like I mentioned though Bill.
so all good.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:03 PM  wrote:

> Not a problem Tim it was just my opinion and opinions are like ass holes
> everybody has one
>
> Even down under lol well that was sort of a pun
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, 31 December 2022 7:04 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: triton router
>
>
>
> Yup there you go Mike. I'm the same way. I have 3 different router table
> set ups as well. More is better. Bigger is better lol.
>
> Sorry Bill I got caught in the moment. lol
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:28 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
> legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:
>
> Not to brag but I have 7 of the Makita 3-1/4 hp routers.  Stick with one
> brand and size and you will always have a quick swap if there is an issue.
> Like Norm Abrams used to say, " I don't change bits, I change routers!"
>
> I do have a couple trim routers for hand work but other than that, it's
> power baby!
>
> Mike OK
>
> On 12/29/2022 9:16 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
>
>
>
>
> Are you trying to catch up to me on the router count? lol
>
> I'll be honest I have the smaller router now on my REVO HYBRID EXT which
> is a 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 hp router. Bosch in ht Z access
>
> thats the main router on the HYBRID, I also have a 3 1/4 Makita plunge on
> the standard carriage same machine 2 routers.
>
> My 1200 has 2 routers on as well. on the Z I have the BIG porter cable and
> on the standard carriage I also have a 3 1/4 makita.
>
> Those makita's are sweet routers.
>
> On my actual Revo I have again a Makita which is a 2 1/4 another plunge
> convert.
>
> My steely has no router on at this time but my 1500 has the big Porter
> Cable on the standard carriage, and the woodchuck has
>
> a Craftsman Professional plunge I believe it's 2 1/4 as well.
>
> so where is the picture of this hotrod Tritan Bill??
>
>
>
> .
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 8:55 PM  wrote:
>
> Hey Tim Z and all I just can’t help myself I’m broke since Christmas
>
> And I just bought another as new triton router lol the price was just too
> good and I love triton routers
>
> I’m borrowing off my son to do it. it’s the 1400W version
>
> which in my opinion is the best size for most legacy’s those thumping big
>
> routers everyone puts on their legacys are just not necessary. if your
> slowing down
>
> A 1400W router with a big cut your taking too big and or too fast a cut,
> bad for the router bit
>
> bad for the legacy and for the router, you saw the video I did where I was
> ripping off lots
>
> of material in a big cut that was a 1400W router and it eat it up what
> more do people want.
>
> Some of those big router bits run into a few hundred dollars I for one
> look after them like gold.
>
> Just my opinion
>
>
>
> Bill
>
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Re: Very Nice Legacy for sale ON E-bay

2022-12-30 Thread Jeff Richmond

Agreed, lol.Jeff from Connecticut Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 30, 2022, at 4:53 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:Spoken like a true and wise business man very smart but for us totally obsessedlegacy owners its different lol Bill  From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike NewmanSent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 3:02 AMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Very Nice Legacy for sale ON E-bay Yep I'm aware of this machine and just not willing to spend that kind of money.  Im working on others that are much better deals than this one.  I always think about re-sale value on these types of purchases to manage the down side risk if I decide to change directions or my direction is changed for me.  Can I exit with a reasonable cost difference that makes it worth it.  If I'm using in a business I can also factor in profit from sales off of it as a part of the equation.  This is more of a hobby purchase so limited revenue in the equation.  May be able to turn some of my ideas into business things but not that far down the road on this one.  When I bought my sawmill years ago when I first retired there was a significant amount of revenue/profit generated by the machine that more than offset its full purchase price and then when I was done I was able to sell it for what I paid which is the best kind of deal.  These LOM's are niche enough machines that there is a limited market for resale/use so I need to be more selective in spending my budget.  My CNC was the similar to the sawmill.  I had it for a year and was able to sell for 95% of purchase price because I had an certain level of machine that appealed to many people looking to upgrade.  I'm in no real hurry, but my nature is to move quickly if I can since the clock never stops on life , right.On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:https://www.ebay.com/itm/175468206004?hash=item28dab857b4:g:zWgAAOSw5DNjXB7b=enc%3AAQAHsFEU%2FitqtW77KkBopE2qcpzg5JlflefvA5FOkYDsxpnzqsLt1QHzCkEME3A6JGSTfl0KzGEC7EbfUvOVNrr2kGyq5%2BzAFOl%2Fj2yKFuE52sflpJx3LFWUYSWgSA%2BD%2BTemacWsj4dXzvIN0qHO%2FEK80a0jMFdPu6oUlh1DX3TwXvyblrTgLy2GNV0erZYI3U858URvSi2dCwdhlUlopTs5%2FrZf54F0%2FdtXWXdvARZ1IE4w%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9rct7msYQ   IN Long Valley, New Jersey, NOW this is an Old Legacy, the steel rails have a lot of play in them, (that's why Legacy went with the Extruded Alum. rails)  But having said that, this machine has everything!  Everything but the price (and if Im honest with my self, That would soon be forgotten, after a few projects were made.) Have a great day. C.A.G . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/3ae80bdd-a8a2-42c9-a13f-a5a2375304a1n%40googlegroups.com.



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RE: triton router

Not a problem Tim it was just my opinion and opinions are like ass holes 
everybody has one

Even down under lol well that was sort of a pun

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 7:04 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: triton router

 

Yup there you go Mike. I'm the same way. I have 3 different router table set 
ups as well. More is better. Bigger is better lol. 

Sorry Bill I got caught in the moment. lol 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:28 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) mailto:legacym...@iglide.net> > wrote:

Not to brag but I have 7 of the Makita 3-1/4 hp routers.  Stick with one brand 
and size and you will always have a quick swap if there is an issue.  Like Norm 
Abrams used to say, " I don't change bits, I change routers!"

I do have a couple trim routers for hand work but other than that, it's power 
baby!

Mike OK

On 12/29/2022 9:16 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Hey Bill,  

 

 

Are you trying to catch up to me on the router count? lol 

I'll be honest I have the smaller router now on my REVO HYBRID EXT which is a 2 
1/4 or 2 1/2 hp router. Bosch in ht Z access

thats the main router on the HYBRID, I also have a 3 1/4 Makita plunge on the 
standard carriage same machine 2 routers.

My 1200 has 2 routers on as well. on the Z I have the BIG porter cable and on 
the standard carriage I also have a 3 1/4 makita. 

Those makita's are sweet routers. 

On my actual Revo I have again a Makita which is a 2 1/4 another plunge 
convert. 

My steely has no router on at this time but my 1500 has the big Porter Cable on 
the standard carriage, and the woodchuck has 

a Craftsman Professional plunge I believe it's 2 1/4 as well. 

so where is the picture of this hotrod Tritan Bill?? 

 

. 

Kind Regards, 

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 8:55 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Hey Tim Z and all I just can’t help myself I’m broke since Christmas 

And I just bought another as new triton router lol the price was just too good 
and I love triton routers 

I’m borrowing off my son to do it. it’s the 1400W version

which in my opinion is the best size for most legacy’s those thumping big

routers everyone puts on their legacys are just not necessary. if your slowing 
down

A 1400W router with a big cut your taking too big and or too fast a cut, bad 
for the router bit

bad for the legacy and for the router, you saw the video I did where I was 
ripping off lots

of material in a big cut that was a 1400W router and it eat it up what more do 
people want.

Some of those big router bits run into a few hundred dollars I for one look 
after them like gold.

Just my opinion 

 

Bill

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RE: Very Nice Legacy for sale ON E-bay

Spoken like a true and wise business man very smart but for us totally obsessed

legacy owners its different lol

 

Bill

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Mike Newman
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 3:02 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Very Nice Legacy for sale ON E-bay

 

Yep I'm aware of this machine and just not willing to spend that kind of money. 
 Im working on others that are much better deals than this one.  I always think 
about re-sale value on these types of purchases to manage the down side risk if 
I decide to change directions or my direction is changed for me.  Can I exit 
with a reasonable cost difference that makes it worth it.  If I'm using in a 
business I can also factor in profit from sales off of it as a part of the 
equation.  This is more of a hobby purchase so limited revenue in the equation. 
 May be able to turn some of my ideas into business things but not that far 
down the road on this one.  When I bought my sawmill years ago when I first 
retired there was a significant amount of revenue/profit generated by the 
machine that more than offset its full purchase price and then when I was done 
I was able to sell it for what I paid which is the best kind of deal.  These 
LOM's are niche enough machines that there is a limited market for resale/use 
so I need to be more selective in spending my budget.  My CNC was the similar 
to the sawmill.  I had it for a year and was able to sell for 95% of purchase 
price because I had an certain level of machine that appealed to many people 
looking to upgrade.  I'm in no real hurry, but my nature is to move quickly if 
I can since the clock never stops on life , right.

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175468206004?hash=item28dab857b4:g:zWgAAOSw5DNjXB7b 

 
=enc%3AAQAHsFEU%2FitqtW77KkBopE2qcpzg5JlflefvA5FOkYDsxpnzqsLt1QHzCkEME3A6JGSTfl0KzGEC7EbfUvOVNrr2kGyq5%2BzAFOl%2Fj2yKFuE52sflpJx3LFWUYSWgSA%2BD%2BTemacWsj4dXzvIN0qHO%2FEK80a0jMFdPu6oUlh1DX3TwXvyblrTgLy2GNV0erZYI3U858URvSi2dCwdhlUlopTs5%2FrZf54F0%2FdtXWXdvARZ1IE4w%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9rct7msYQ
  

 IN Long Valley, New Jersey, 

NOW this is an Old Legacy, the steel rails have a lot of play in them, (that's 
why Legacy went with the Extruded Alum. rails)  But having said that, this 
machine has everything!  Everything but the price (and if Im honest with my 
self, That would soon be forgotten, after a few projects were made.)

 

Have a great day.

 

C.A.G .

 

  

 

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RE: router crafter

I think unless its really cheap it would be hard to sell used or not I know I 
wouldn’t pay over 50 bucks for one and that would have to include free shipping 
once you own a legacy the router crafter just becomes wall art you will never 
use it again.

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Mike Newman
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 12:34 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: router crafter

 

I'm about ready to open up the box on the new never used router crafter sitting 
on my shelf just to have something to play with this winter, but then I can't 
advertise it as new never used to sell it.  This could be the most important 
decision of the day. LOL  I already know how to easily extend the centers out 
to 6ft and I could be making twisties by the end of the day.  Something to 
think about over morning coffee.

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 5:54:51 AM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

yeah tough spot to be in. But oh you can corner the market Bill. lol 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:03 AM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Try living down under I am the only owner of one in my entire country lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Owner
Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2022 11:28 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: router crafter

 

 

Top of the morningTim,

No,  like my LOM 1200 I don’t use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods 
interested in them make me an offer.

 

Interestingly of all the Clubs I’ve belonged to over the years and all of the 
symposiums I’ve attended all over the country not a single woodworker or 
woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy Ornamental 
Mill for that matter.

 

The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut down 
for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in West 
Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only Club I’m 
still active with even though I’m 2 1/2 hours away.

 

Michael Kratky

119 Riverview Rd., 

Northville, N.Y. 12134

 

518 863-2821  

text 518 207-7247  

 

Email;

kra...@roadrunner.com  

 

 

 

On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Did you do much with it Michael?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner mailto:kra...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:

I still have the Router Crafter in its entirety bought it back in the 70’s.

 

 

Michael Kratky

119 Riverview Rd., 

Northville, N.Y. 12134

 

518 863-2821  

text 518 207-7247  

 

Email;

kra...@roadrunner.com  

 

 

 

On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM, mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

 

 

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=iQhJS4MZ5nQ_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions

 

some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by adjusting 
the stops on the cable they make use

of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.

 

Bill

 

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RE: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

I have never heard of any of the metal gears ever being damaged during use 
ever, unless abused by the operator 

like if the mill fell over onto the floor or something so yes your right lost 
along the way

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Mike Newman
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2022 12:16 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

 

The machine I'm looking at now is a 1200.  The owner(who bought it used) cannot 
find any drive gears other than the one on the unit.  Also interesting enough 
as I had said before the reversing gear set is on the machine and they cannot 
find the left hand directional gear.  The person said they bought to do spirals 
and such ,but then headed in another direction so did not actually use.  My gut 
is telling me that they either bought it not understanding what it was missing 
and then found it to be non functional for what they needed with the missing 
gears and therefore it set unused.  Or they just misplaced the most important 
parts over time and now cant find them.  What I find interesting is that so far 
any machine that I have seen that is lower priced is missing these gears and 
therefore not a current option, but every machine that has the gears appears to 
be over priced for what I'm willing to pay for an obsolete machine with a 
limited specific functionality.  I assume that under normal usage the gears 
should not be wearing out, but could they get damaged in use?  If not then 
obviously all of these gears are being lost along the way.

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 5:53:11 AM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Curt my manual said that the 900 only came with the left hand directional gear 
set. 

If you wanted both you had to order it? 

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hello Mike.

 

Remember that the Legacy comes with 7 drive gears, and at least one Standard 
gear set. and two directional gears sets, Beyond that everything is Gravy! 

 

I find it very funny that most Second hand Legacy's you can find on the market 
today, are missing gears. I have no idea why?  Its not like they will fit any 
other machine on the market, or have any other uses. 

BUT The last Three Legacy's that I've bought second hand were all missing the 
gears.

 

So knowing this, Perhaps it could be a good way to get someone selling a Legacy 
to lower the price, if they are missing parts?

Many of these people have no idea on what they have, its just something taking 
up space, and they just want to get rid of it.

 

Wish you luck on finding your own Legacy. 

 

talk to you more latter.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 01:48:05 PM EST, Mike Newman 
mailto:mrnew...@outlook.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I am looking at another 1200 mill that the owner is trying to find the drives 
gears other than the 1 on the machine.  Also it currently shows what I believe 
is the reversing gear set (2 small gears in housing}on the mill but not showing 
a photo of the std single gear with mounting u-channel.  Is this as big an 
issue as not having drive gears?  

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Re: router crafter

yup we're here for you Bill.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 2:25 PM  wrote:

> Getting parts for me is hard enough let alone for others here lol, I will
> just keep plodding along on my lonesome as I always have with the help of
> my good friends in this group
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 30 December 2022 10:55 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: router crafter
>
>
>
> yeah tough spot to be in. But oh you can corner the market Bill. lol
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:03 AM  wrote:
>
> Try living down under I am the only owner of one in my entire country lol
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Owner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 December 2022 11:28 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: router crafter
>
>
>
>
>
> Top of the morningTim,
>
> No,  like my LOM 1200 I don’t use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods
> interested in them make me an offer.
>
>
>
> Interestingly of all the Clubs I’ve belonged to over the years and all of
> the symposiums I’ve attended all over the country not a single woodworker
> or woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy
> Ornamental Mill for that matter.
>
>
>
> The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut
> down for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in
> West Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only
> Club I’m still active with even though I’m 2 1/2 hours away.
>
>
>
> Michael Kratky
>
> 119 Riverview Rd.,
>
> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>
>
>
> 518 863-2821
>
> text 518 207-7247
>
>
>
> Email;
>
> krat...@roadrunner.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>
>
> Did you do much with it Michael?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner  wrote:
>
> I still have the Router Crafter in its entirety bought it back in the 70’s.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Kratky
>
> 119 Riverview Rd.,
>
> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>
>
>
> 518 863-2821
>
> text 518 207-7247
>
>
>
> Email;
>
> krat...@roadrunner.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM,  <
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=iQhJS4MZ5nQ_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions
>
>
>
> some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by
> adjusting the stops on the cable they make use
>
> of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

Yup and if you got space just keep buying them like I have lol  no regrets
doing it either.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 2:16 PM  wrote:

> Like I said before most will buy a second cheaper mill to get parts
> missing from their first it’s the only way these days to get parts
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 30 December 2022 10:53 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set
>
>
>
> Curt my manual said that the 900 only came with the left hand
> directional gear set.
>
> If you wanted both you had to order it?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
> Hello Mike.
>
>
>
> Remember that the Legacy comes with 7 drive gears, and at least one
> Standard gear set. and two directional gears sets, Beyond that everything
> is Gravy!
>
>
>
> I find it very funny that most Second hand Legacy's you can find on the
> market today, are missing gears. I have no idea why?  Its not like they
> will fit any other machine on the market, or have any other uses.
>
> BUT The last Three Legacy's that I've bought second hand were all missing
> the gears.
>
>
>
> So knowing this, Perhaps it could be a good way to get someone selling a
> Legacy to lower the price, if they are missing parts?
>
> Many of these people have no idea on what they have, its just something
> taking up space, and they just want to get rid of it.
>
>
>
> Wish you luck on finding your own Legacy.
>
>
>
> talk to you more latter.
>
>
>
> Have a good night.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 01:48:05 PM EST, Mike Newman <
> mrnewma...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I am looking at another 1200 mill that the owner is trying to find the
> drives gears other than the 1 on the machine.  Also it currently shows what
> I believe is the reversing gear set (2 small gears in housing}on the mill
> but not showing a photo of the std single gear with mounting u-channel.  Is
> this as big an issue as not having drive gears?
>
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RE: router crafter

Getting parts for me is hard enough let alone for others here lol, I will just 
keep plodding along on my lonesome as I always have with the help of my good 
friends in this group

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2022 10:55 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: router crafter

 

yeah tough spot to be in. But oh you can corner the market Bill. lol 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:03 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Try living down under I am the only owner of one in my entire country lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Owner
Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2022 11:28 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: router crafter

 

 

Top of the morningTim,

No,  like my LOM 1200 I don’t use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods 
interested in them make me an offer.

 

Interestingly of all the Clubs I’ve belonged to over the years and all of the 
symposiums I’ve attended all over the country not a single woodworker or 
woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy Ornamental 
Mill for that matter.

 

The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut down 
for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in West 
Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only Club I’m 
still active with even though I’m 2 1/2 hours away.

 

Michael Kratky

119 Riverview Rd., 

Northville, N.Y. 12134

 

518 863-2821

text 518 207-7247

 

Email;

krat...@roadrunner.com  

 

 

 

On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Did you do much with it Michael?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:

I still have the Router Crafter in its entirety bought it back in the 70’s.

 

 

Michael Kratky

119 Riverview Rd., 

Northville, N.Y. 12134

 

518 863-2821

text 518 207-7247

 

Email;

krat...@roadrunner.com  

 

 

 

On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

 

 

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=iQhJS4MZ5nQ_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions

 

some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by adjusting 
the stops on the cable they make use

of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.

 

Bill

 

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RE: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

Like I said before most will buy a second cheaper mill to get parts missing 
from their first it’s the only way these days to get parts

 

Bill

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2022 10:53 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

 

Curt my manual said that the 900 only came with the left hand directional gear 
set. 

If you wanted both you had to order it? 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Mike.

 

Remember that the Legacy comes with 7 drive gears, and at least one Standard 
gear set. and two directional gears sets, Beyond that everything is Gravy! 

 

I find it very funny that most Second hand Legacy's you can find on the market 
today, are missing gears. I have no idea why?  Its not like they will fit any 
other machine on the market, or have any other uses. 

BUT The last Three Legacy's that I've bought second hand were all missing the 
gears.

 

So knowing this, Perhaps it could be a good way to get someone selling a Legacy 
to lower the price, if they are missing parts?

Many of these people have no idea on what they have, its just something taking 
up space, and they just want to get rid of it.

 

Wish you luck on finding your own Legacy. 

 

talk to you more latter.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 01:48:05 PM EST, Mike Newman 
mailto:mrnewma...@outlook.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I am looking at another 1200 mill that the owner is trying to find the drives 
gears other than the 1 on the machine.  Also it currently shows what I believe 
is the reversing gear set (2 small gears in housing}on the mill but not showing 
a photo of the std single gear with mounting u-channel.  Is this as big an 
issue as not having drive gears?  

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Re: triton router

Yup there you go Mike. I'm the same way. I have 3 different router table
set ups as well. More is better. Bigger is better lol.
Sorry Bill I got caught in the moment. lol
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:28 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:

> Not to brag but I have 7 of the Makita 3-1/4 hp routers.  Stick with one
> brand and size and you will always have a quick swap if there is an issue.
> Like Norm Abrams used to say, " I don't change bits, I change routers!"
>
> I do have a couple trim routers for hand work but other than that, it's
> power baby!
>
> Mike OK
> On 12/29/2022 9:16 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
>
> Are you trying to catch up to me on the router count? lol
> I'll be honest I have the smaller router now on my REVO HYBRID EXT which
> is a 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 hp router. Bosch in ht Z access
> thats the main router on the HYBRID, I also have a 3 1/4 Makita plunge on
> the standard carriage same machine 2 routers.
> My 1200 has 2 routers on as well. on the Z I have the BIG porter cable and
> on the standard carriage I also have a 3 1/4 makita.
> Those makita's are sweet routers.
> On my actual Revo I have again a Makita which is a 2 1/4 another plunge
> convert.
> My steely has no router on at this time but my 1500 has the big Porter
> Cable on the standard carriage, and the woodchuck has
> a Craftsman Professional plunge I believe it's 2 1/4 as well.
> so where is the picture of this hotrod Tritan Bill??
>
> .
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 8:55 PM  wrote:
>
>> Hey Tim Z and all I just can’t help myself I’m broke since Christmas
>>
>> And I just bought another as new triton router lol the price was just too
>> good and I love triton routers
>>
>> I’m borrowing off my son to do it. it’s the 1400W version
>>
>> which in my opinion is the best size for most legacy’s those thumping big
>>
>> routers everyone puts on their legacys are just not necessary. if your
>> slowing down
>>
>> A 1400W router with a big cut your taking too big and or too fast a cut,
>> bad for the router bit
>>
>> bad for the legacy and for the router, you saw the video I did where I
>> was ripping off lots
>>
>> of material in a big cut that was a 1400W router and it eat it up what
>> more do people want.
>>
>> Some of those big router bits run into a few hundred dollars I for one
>> look after them like gold.
>>
>> Just my opinion
>>
>>
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Re: Very Nice Legacy for sale ON E-bay

sounds like some great thought going into your decision Mike.
Yes and lots of machines coming up right and left now for sure.

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 10:02 AM Mike Newman  wrote:

> Yep I'm aware of this machine and just not willing to spend that kind of
> money.  Im working on others that are much better deals than this one.  I
> always think about re-sale value on these types of purchases to manage the
> down side risk if I decide to change directions or my direction is changed
> for me.  Can I exit with a reasonable cost difference that makes it worth
> it.  If I'm using in a business I can also factor in profit from sales off
> of it as a part of the equation.  This is more of a hobby purchase so
> limited revenue in the equation.  May be able to turn some of my ideas into
> business things but not that far down the road on this one.  When I bought
> my sawmill years ago when I first retired there was a significant amount of
> revenue/profit generated by the machine that more than offset its full
> purchase price and then when I was done I was able to sell it for what I
> paid which is the best kind of deal.  These LOM's are niche enough machines
> that there is a limited market for resale/use so I need to be more
> selective in spending my budget.  My CNC was the similar to the sawmill.  I
> had it for a year and was able to sell for 95% of purchase price because I
> had an certain level of machine that appealed to many people looking to
> upgrade.  I'm in no real hurry, but my nature is to move quickly if I can
> since the clock never stops on life , right.
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175468206004?hash=item28dab857b4:g:zWgAAOSw5DNjXB7b=enc%3AAQAHsFEU%2FitqtW77KkBopE2qcpzg5JlflefvA5FOkYDsxpnzqsLt1QHzCkEME3A6JGSTfl0KzGEC7EbfUvOVNrr2kGyq5%2BzAFOl%2Fj2yKFuE52sflpJx3LFWUYSWgSA%2BD%2BTemacWsj4dXzvIN0qHO%2FEK80a0jMFdPu6oUlh1DX3TwXvyblrTgLy2GNV0erZYI3U858URvSi2dCwdhlUlopTs5%2FrZf54F0%2FdtXWXdvARZ1IE4w%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9rct7msYQ
>>
>>  IN Long Valley, New Jersey,
>> NOW this is an Old Legacy, the steel rails have a lot of play in them,
>> (that's why Legacy went with the Extruded Alum. rails)  But having said
>> that, this machine has everything!  Everything but the price (and if Im
>> honest with my self, That would soon be forgotten, after a few projects
>> were made.)
>>
>> Have a great day.
>>
>> C.A.G .
>>
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Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

Curt, Mike,


*Yes they still make the gears* I had some made few made and I sent a guy
there about a month ago and they received them just the other day.
Gears and Dyna Glide are still available. not much more.
If you need I can find out, I think a set is around $150.00 per set. and
its the newer tooth configuration.

Kind Regards,

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Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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320-294-5798 shop
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On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 9:08 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Good morning Mike
>
> After Years of use, I have not had any problems with the gears, I honestly
> do not think, a normal Legacy user would ever weir out a gear, If they/ the
> gears, are missing it due to being lost or misplaced. Which is really
> frustrating to me. knowing that the gears are going to be thrown in the
> trash or had already been so.
>
> I need to call Cindy at Legacy and ask he about making the drive gears.  I
> was told, in the past that Legacy would make all wearable parts for there
> machines, but when I last checked, they told me that they did not have any.
> Which I took to mean that they were not selling them any more. And if
> Legacy will still make them, at what cost? ($$$) .
> I wish you luck on your quest, Mike. Hopefully you will soon find the
> machine of your dreams. ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 08:21:01 AM EST, Mike Newman <
> mrnewma...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> The machine I'm looking at now is a 1200.  The owner(who bought it used)
> cannot find any drive gears other than the one on the unit.  Also
> interesting enough as I had said before the reversing gear set is on the
> machine and they cannot find the left hand directional gear.  The person
> said they bought to do spirals and such ,but then headed in another
> direction so did not actually use.  My gut is telling me that they either
> bought it not understanding what it was missing and then found it to be non
> functional for what they needed with the missing gears and therefore it set
> unused.  Or they just misplaced the most important parts over time and now
> cant find them.  What I find interesting is that so far any machine that I
> have seen that is lower priced is missing these gears and therefore not a
> current option, but every machine that has the gears appears to be over
> priced for what I'm willing to pay for an obsolete machine with a limited
> specific functionality.  I assume that under normal usage the gears should
> not be wearing out, but could they get damaged in use?  If not then
> obviously all of these gears are being lost along the way.
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 5:53:11 AM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Curt my manual said that the 900 only came with the left hand
> directional gear set.
> If you wanted both you had to order it?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
> Hello Mike.
>
> Remember that the Legacy comes with 7 drive gears, and at least one
> Standard gear set. and two directional gears sets, Beyond that everything
> is Gravy!
>
> I find it very funny that most Second hand Legacy's you can find on the
> market today, are missing gears. I have no idea why?  Its not like they
> will fit any other machine on the market, or have any other uses.
> BUT The last Three Legacy's that I've bought second hand were all missing
> the gears.
>
> So knowing this, Perhaps it could be a good way to get someone selling a
> Legacy to lower the price, if they are missing parts?
> Many of these people have no idea on what they have, its just something
> taking up space, and they just want to get rid of it.
>
> Wish you luck on finding your own Legacy.
>
> talk to you more latter.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 01:48:05 PM EST, Mike Newman <
> mrnew...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> I am looking at another 1200 mill that the owner is trying to find the
> drives gears other than the 1 on the machine.  Also it currently shows what
> I believe is the reversing gear set (2 small gears in housing}on the mill
> but not showing a photo of the std single gear with mounting u-channel.  Is
> this as big an issue as not having drive gears?
>
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Re: router crafter

Hey wait a minute don't leave me out of this. I'll go if someone gives me a
ride. lol

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
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On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 8:12 AM Jeff Richmond  wrote:

> Hi Michael, I plan to be at the Woodworking Show on that Friday and will
> stop by to say hi.
>
> I don’t need a complete machine but am always interested in Legacy
> accessories if you are willing to part with any. I left my personal email
> below.
>
> Jeff from Connecticut
> email: jtrichmo...@gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 30, 2022, at 12:20 AM, Owner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Top of the morningTim,
> No,  like my LOM 1200 I don’t use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods
> interested in them make me an offer.
>
> Interestingly of all the Clubs I’ve belonged to over the years and all of
> the symposiums I’ve attended all over the country not a single woodworker
> or woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy
> Ornamental Mill for that matter.
>
> The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut
> down for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in
> West Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only
> Club I’m still active with even though I’m 2 1/2 hours away.
>
> Michael Kratky
> 119 Riverview Rd.,
> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>
> 518 863-2821
> text 518 207-7247
>
> Email;
> krat...@roadrunner.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Did you do much with it Michael?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner  wrote:
>
>> I still have the Router Crafter in its entirety bought it back in the
>> 70’s.
>>
>>
>> Michael Kratky
>> 119 Riverview Rd.,
>> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>>
>> 518 863-2821
>> text 518 207-7247
>>
>> Email;
>> krat...@roadrunner.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM,  <
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=iQhJS4MZ5nQ_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions
>>
>> some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by
>> adjusting the stops on the cable they make use
>> of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.
>>
>> Bill
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Re: router crafter

Oh I hear you. Though I would never have anything left in the box long
enough to claim it unused lol. But slightly used maybe.
I think we just need to find one for you soon.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 7:34 AM Mike Newman  wrote:

> I'm about ready to open up the box on the new never used router crafter
> sitting on my shelf just to have something to play with this winter, but
> then I can't advertise it as new never used to sell it.  This could be the
> most important decision of the day. LOL  I already know how to easily
> extend the centers out to 6ft and I could be making twisties by the end of
> the day.  Something to think about over morning coffee.
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 5:54:51 AM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> yeah tough spot to be in. But oh you can corner the market Bill. lol
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:03 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Try living down under I am the only owner of one in my entire country lol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *On Behalf Of *Owner
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 December 2022 11:28 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: router crafter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Top of the morningTim,
>>>
>>> No,  like my LOM 1200 I don’t use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods
>>> interested in them make me an offer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interestingly of all the Clubs I’ve belonged to over the years and all
>>> of the symposiums I’ve attended all over the country not a single
>>> woodworker or woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the
>>> Legacy Ornamental Mill for that matter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut
>>> down for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in
>>> West Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only
>>> Club I’m still active with even though I’m 2 1/2 hours away.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Kratky
>>>
>>> 119 Riverview Rd.,
>>>
>>> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 518 863-2821 <(518)%20863-2821>
>>>
>>> text 518 207-7247 <(518)%20207-7247>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Email;
>>>
>>> kra...@roadrunner.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you do much with it Michael?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner  wrote:
>>>
>>> I still have the Router Crafter in its entirety bought it back in the
>>> 70’s.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Kratky
>>>
>>> 119 Riverview Rd.,
>>>
>>> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 518 863-2821 <(518)%20863-2821>
>>>
>>> text 518 207-7247 <(518)%20207-7247>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Email;
>>>
>>> kra...@roadrunner.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM,  <
>>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=iQhJS4MZ5nQ_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by
>>> adjusting the stops on the cable they make use
>>>
>>> of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

Hey Mike,

My guess getting lost or misplaced is what is happening to them, especially
2nd and 3rd owners.
Remarkable thing is when I got my WoodChuck, one of the first Legacy's it
had all the gears plus.
This machine did not have many hours on it.
Great thing is you can order these from Legacy at least all the main gears.
Not sure about the directional gears though.
I never had to order them.
Well keep us posted or if there is a machine near one of us, and you'd like
someone to look and take pic's of one your interested in
please let anyone in the group know how they could help.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 7:15 AM Mike Newman  wrote:

> The machine I'm looking at now is a 1200.  The owner(who bought it used)
> cannot find any drive gears other than the one on the unit.  Also
> interesting enough as I had said before the reversing gear set is on the
> machine and they cannot find the left hand directional gear.  The person
> said they bought to do spirals and such ,but then headed in another
> direction so did not actually use.  My gut is telling me that they either
> bought it not understanding what it was missing and then found it to be non
> functional for what they needed with the missing gears and therefore it set
> unused.  Or they just misplaced the most important parts over time and now
> cant find them.  What I find interesting is that so far any machine that I
> have seen that is lower priced is missing these gears and therefore not a
> current option, but every machine that has the gears appears to be over
> priced for what I'm willing to pay for an obsolete machine with a limited
> specific functionality.  I assume that under normal usage the gears should
> not be wearing out, but could they get damaged in use?  If not then
> obviously all of these gears are being lost along the way.
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 5:53:11 AM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Curt my manual said that the 900 only came with the left hand
>> directional gear set.
>> If you wanted both you had to order it?
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>> Mills  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Mike.
>>>
>>> Remember that the Legacy comes with 7 drive gears, and at least one
>>> Standard gear set. and two directional gears sets, Beyond that everything
>>> is Gravy!
>>>
>>> I find it very funny that most Second hand Legacy's you can find on the
>>> market today, are missing gears. I have no idea why?  Its not like they
>>> will fit any other machine on the market, or have any other uses.
>>> BUT The last Three Legacy's that I've bought second hand were all
>>> missing the gears.
>>>
>>> So knowing this, Perhaps it could be a good way to get someone selling a
>>> Legacy to lower the price, if they are missing parts?
>>> Many of these people have no idea on what they have, its just something
>>> taking up space, and they just want to get rid of it.
>>>
>>> Wish you luck on finding your own Legacy.
>>>
>>> talk to you more latter.
>>>
>>> Have a good night.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 01:48:05 PM EST, Mike Newman <
>>> mrnew...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I am looking at another 1200 mill that the owner is trying to find the
>>> drives gears other than the 1 on the machine.  Also it currently shows what
>>> I believe is the reversing gear set (2 small gears in housing}on the mill
>>> but not showing a photo of the std single gear with mounting u-channel.  Is
>>> this as big an issue as not having drive gears?
>>>
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Re: Very Nice Legacy for sale ON E-bay

Yep I'm aware of this machine and just not willing to spend that kind of 
money.  Im working on others that are much better deals than this one.  I 
always think about re-sale value on these types of purchases to manage the 
down side risk if I decide to change directions or my direction is changed 
for me.  Can I exit with a reasonable cost difference that makes it worth 
it.  If I'm using in a business I can also factor in profit from sales off 
of it as a part of the equation.  This is more of a hobby purchase so 
limited revenue in the equation.  May be able to turn some of my ideas into 
business things but not that far down the road on this one.  When I bought 
my sawmill years ago when I first retired there was a significant amount of 
revenue/profit generated by the machine that more than offset its full 
purchase price and then when I was done I was able to sell it for what I 
paid which is the best kind of deal.  These LOM's are niche enough machines 
that there is a limited market for resale/use so I need to be more 
selective in spending my budget.  My CNC was the similar to the sawmill.  I 
had it for a year and was able to sell for 95% of purchase price because I 
had an certain level of machine that appealed to many people looking to 
upgrade.  I'm in no real hurry, but my nature is to move quickly if I can 
since the clock never stops on life , right.

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175468206004?hash=item28dab857b4:g:zWgAAOSw5DNjXB7b=enc%3AAQAHsFEU%2FitqtW77KkBopE2qcpzg5JlflefvA5FOkYDsxpnzqsLt1QHzCkEME3A6JGSTfl0KzGEC7EbfUvOVNrr2kGyq5%2BzAFOl%2Fj2yKFuE52sflpJx3LFWUYSWgSA%2BD%2BTemacWsj4dXzvIN0qHO%2FEK80a0jMFdPu6oUlh1DX3TwXvyblrTgLy2GNV0erZYI3U858URvSi2dCwdhlUlopTs5%2FrZf54F0%2FdtXWXdvARZ1IE4w%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9rct7msYQ
>   
>  IN Long Valley, New Jersey, 
> NOW this is an Old Legacy, the steel rails have a lot of play in them, 
> (that's why Legacy went with the Extruded Alum. rails)  But having said 
> that, this machine has everything!  Everything but the price (and if Im 
> honest with my self, That would soon be forgotten, after a few projects 
> were made.)
>
> Have a great day.
>
> C.A.G .
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
>

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Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

2022-12-30 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Good to know that they will probably not wear out if I can find a set of 
them or machine with them.  I was waiting until after the holidays to call 
Cindy at Legacy to better understand what if any options exist there and at 
what cost/leadtime.  Also was hoping to find a machine with them at a 
reasonable price sooner/easier.  I'm sure a few more machines will hit the 
market after the holidays as some do not want the hassle of selling 
something during that time if they have company or are traveling.  

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:08:38 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:

> Good morning Mike
>
> After Years of use, I have not had any problems with the gears, I honestly 
> do not think, a normal Legacy user would ever weir out a gear, If they/ the 
> gears, are missing it due to being lost or misplaced. Which is really 
> frustrating to me. knowing that the gears are going to be thrown in the 
> trash or had already been so.
>
> I need to call Cindy at Legacy and ask he about making the drive gears.  I 
> was told, in the past that Legacy would make all wearable parts for there 
> machines, but when I last checked, they told me that they did not have any. 
> Which I took to mean that they were not selling them any more. And if 
> Legacy will still make them, at what cost? ($$$) .
> I wish you luck on your quest, Mike. Hopefully you will soon find the 
> machine of your dreams. ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 08:21:01 AM EST, Mike Newman <
> mrnew...@outlook.com> wrote: 
>
>
> The machine I'm looking at now is a 1200.  The owner(who bought it used) 
> cannot find any drive gears other than the one on the unit.  Also 
> interesting enough as I had said before the reversing gear set is on the 
> machine and they cannot find the left hand directional gear.  The person 
> said they bought to do spirals and such ,but then headed in another 
> direction so did not actually use.  My gut is telling me that they either 
> bought it not understanding what it was missing and then found it to be non 
> functional for what they needed with the missing gears and therefore it set 
> unused.  Or they just misplaced the most important parts over time and now 
> cant find them.  What I find interesting is that so far any machine that I 
> have seen that is lower priced is missing these gears and therefore not a 
> current option, but every machine that has the gears appears to be over 
> priced for what I'm willing to pay for an obsolete machine with a limited 
> specific functionality.  I assume that under normal usage the gears should 
> not be wearing out, but could they get damaged in use?  If not then 
> obviously all of these gears are being lost along the way.
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 5:53:11 AM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Curt my manual said that the 900 only came with the left hand 
> directional gear set. 
> If you wanted both you had to order it? 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
> Hello Mike.
>
> Remember that the Legacy comes with 7 drive gears, and at least one 
> Standard gear set. and two directional gears sets, Beyond that everything 
> is Gravy! 
>
> I find it very funny that most Second hand Legacy's you can find on the 
> market today, are missing gears. I have no idea why?  Its not like they 
> will fit any other machine on the market, or have any other uses. 
> BUT The last Three Legacy's that I've bought second hand were all missing 
> the gears.
>
> So knowing this, Perhaps it could be a good way to get someone selling a 
> Legacy to lower the price, if they are missing parts?
> Many of these people have no idea on what they have, its just something 
> taking up space, and they just want to get rid of it.
>
> Wish you luck on finding your own Legacy. 
>
> talk to you more latter.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 01:48:05 PM EST, Mike Newman <
> mrnew...@outlook.com> wrote: 
>
>
> I am looking at another 1200 mill that the owner is trying to find the 
> drives gears other than the 1 on the machine.  Also it currently shows what 
> I believe is the reversing gear set (2 small gears in housing}on the mill 
> but not showing a photo of the std single gear with mounting u-channel.  Is 
> this as big an issue as not having drive gears?  
>
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Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

Good morning Mike
After Years of use, I have not had any problems with the gears, I honestly do
not think, a normal Legacy user would ever weir out a gear, If they/ the gears,
are missing it due to being lost or misplaced. Which is really frustrating to
me. knowing that the gears are going to be thrown in the trash or had already
been so.
I need to call Cindy at Legacy and ask he about making the drive gears. I was
told, in the past that Legacy would make all wearable parts for there machines,
but when I last checked, they told me that they did not have any. Which I took
to mean that they were not selling them any more. And if Legacy will still make
them, at what cost? ($$$) .I wish you luck on your quest, Mike. Hopefully you
will soon find the machine of your dreams. ;-)
C.A.G.
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 08:21:01 AM EST, Mike Newman
wrote:

The machine I'm looking at now is a 1200. The owner(who bought it used)
cannot find any drive gears other than the one on the unit. Also interesting
enough as I had said before the reversing gear set is on the machine and they
cannot find the left hand directional gear. The person said they bought to do
spirals and such ,but then headed in another direction so did not actually use.
My gut is telling me that they either bought it not understanding what it was
missing and then found it to be non functional for what they needed with the
missing gears and therefore it set unused. Or they just misplaced the most
important parts over time and now cant find them. What I find interesting is
that so far any machine that I have seen that is lower priced is missing these
gears and therefore not a current option, but every machine that has the gears
appears to be over priced for what I'm willing to pay for an obsolete machine
with a limited specific functionality. I assume that under normal usage the
gears should not be wearing out, but could they get damaged in use? If not
then obviously all of these gears are being lost along the way.

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 5:53:11 AM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

Curt my manual said that the 900 only came with the left hand directional gear
set. If you wanted both you had to order it?
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

Hello Mike.
Remember that the Legacy comes with 7 drive gears, and at least one Standard
gear set. and two directional gears sets, Beyond that everything is Gravy!
I find it very funny that most Second hand Legacy's you can find on the market
today, are missing gears. I have no idea why? Its not like they will fit any
other machine on the market, or have any other uses. BUT The last Three
Legacy's that I've bought second hand were all missing the gears.
So knowing this, Perhaps it could be a good way to get someone selling a Legacy
to lower the price, if they are missing parts?Many of these people have no idea
on what they have, its just something taking up space, and they just want to
get rid of it.
Wish you luck on finding your own Legacy.
talk to you more latter.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 01:48:05 PM EST, Mike Newman
wrote:

I am looking at another 1200 mill that the owner is trying to find the drives
gears other than the 1 on the machine. Also it currently shows what I believe
is the reversing gear set (2 small gears in housing}on the mill but not showing
a photo of the std single gear with mounting u-channel. Is this as big an
issue as not having drive gears?

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Re: router crafter

2022-12-30 Thread Jeff Richmond

Hi Michael, I plan to be at the Woodworking Show on that Friday and will stop by to say hi. I don’t need a complete machine but am always interested in Legacy accessories if you are willing to part with any. I left my personal email below.Jeff from Connecticut email: jtrichmo...@gmail.comSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 30, 2022, at 12:20 AM, Owner wrote:Top of the morningTim,No, like my LOM 1200 I don’t use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods interested in them make me an offer.Interestingly of all the Clubs I’ve belonged to over the years and all of the symposiums I’ve attended all over the country not a single woodworker or woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy Ornamental Mill for that matter.The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut down for 3 years, I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in West Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only Club I’m still active with even though I’m 2 1/2 hours away.
Michael Kratky119 Riverview Rd., Northville, N.Y. 12134518 863-2821text 518 207-7247Email;krat...@roadrunner.com

On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:Did you do much with it Michael?Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner wrote:I still have the Router Crafter in its entirety bought it back in the 70’s.
Michael Kratky119 Riverview Rd., Northville, N.Y. 12134518 863-2821text 518 207-7247Email;krat...@roadrunner.com

On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM, wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=iQhJS4MZ5nQ_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by adjusting the stops on the cable they make useof backlash to mill wider hollows interesting. Bill-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/01d91973%2412edd450%2438c97cf0%24%40mmnet.com.au.

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Re: router crafter

I'm about ready to open up the box on the new never used router crafter 
sitting on my shelf just to have something to play with this winter, but 
then I can't advertise it as new never used to sell it.  This could be the 
most important decision of the day. LOL  I already know how to easily 
extend the centers out to 6ft and I could be making twisties by the end of 
the day.  Something to think about over morning coffee.

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 5:54:51 AM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> yeah tough spot to be in. But oh you can corner the market Bill. lol 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:03 AM  wrote:
>
>> Try living down under I am the only owner of one in my entire country lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Owner
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 December 2022 11:28 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: router crafter
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Top of the morningTim,
>>
>> No,  like my LOM 1200 I don’t use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods 
>> interested in them make me an offer.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Interestingly of all the Clubs I’ve belonged to over the years and all of 
>> the symposiums I’ve attended all over the country not a single woodworker 
>> or woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mill for that matter.
>>
>>  
>>
>> The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut 
>> down for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in 
>> West Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only 
>> Club I’m still active with even though I’m 2 1/2 hours away.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Michael Kratky
>>
>> 119 Riverview Rd., 
>>
>> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>>
>>  
>>
>> 518 863-2821 <(518)%20863-2821>
>>
>> text 518 207-7247 <(518)%20207-7247>
>>
>>  
>>
>> Email;
>>
>> kra...@roadrunner.com
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Did you do much with it Michael?
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner  wrote:
>>
>> I still have the Router Crafter in its entirety bought it back in the 
>> 70’s.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Michael Kratky
>>
>> 119 Riverview Rd., 
>>
>> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>>
>>  
>>
>> 518 863-2821 <(518)%20863-2821>
>>
>> text 518 207-7247 <(518)%20207-7247>
>>
>>  
>>
>> Email;
>>
>> kra...@roadrunner.com
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM,   
>> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=iQhJS4MZ5nQ_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions
>>
>>  
>>
>> some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by 
>> adjusting the stops on the cable they make use
>>
>> of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

The machine I'm looking at now is a 1200.  The owner(who bought it used) 
cannot find any drive gears other than the one on the unit.  Also 
interesting enough as I had said before the reversing gear set is on the 
machine and they cannot find the left hand directional gear.  The person 
said they bought to do spirals and such ,but then headed in another 
direction so did not actually use.  My gut is telling me that they either 
bought it not understanding what it was missing and then found it to be non 
functional for what they needed with the missing gears and therefore it set 
unused.  Or they just misplaced the most important parts over time and now 
cant find them.  What I find interesting is that so far any machine that I 
have seen that is lower priced is missing these gears and therefore not a 
current option, but every machine that has the gears appears to be over 
priced for what I'm willing to pay for an obsolete machine with a limited 
specific functionality.  I assume that under normal usage the gears should 
not be wearing out, but could they get damaged in use?  If not then 
obviously all of these gears are being lost along the way.

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 5:53:11 AM UTC-6 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Curt my manual said that the 900 only came with the left hand 
> directional gear set. 
> If you wanted both you had to order it? 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
>> Hello Mike.
>>
>> Remember that the Legacy comes with 7 drive gears, and at least one 
>> Standard gear set. and two directional gears sets, Beyond that everything 
>> is Gravy! 
>>
>> I find it very funny that most Second hand Legacy's you can find on the 
>> market today, are missing gears. I have no idea why?  Its not like they 
>> will fit any other machine on the market, or have any other uses. 
>> BUT The last Three Legacy's that I've bought second hand were all missing 
>> the gears.
>>
>> So knowing this, Perhaps it could be a good way to get someone selling a 
>> Legacy to lower the price, if they are missing parts?
>> Many of these people have no idea on what they have, its just something 
>> taking up space, and they just want to get rid of it.
>>
>> Wish you luck on finding your own Legacy. 
>>
>> talk to you more latter.
>>
>> Have a good night.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 01:48:05 PM EST, Mike Newman <
>> mrnew...@outlook.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> I am looking at another 1200 mill that the owner is trying to find the 
>> drives gears other than the 1 on the machine.  Also it currently shows what 
>> I believe is the reversing gear set (2 small gears in housing}on the mill 
>> but not showing a photo of the std single gear with mounting u-channel.  Is 
>> this as big an issue as not having drive gears?  
>>
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Re: triton router

yup and oh what a great place to be lol.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
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On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:14 AM  wrote:

> The 2 main reasons I like triton routers is its fine tuning knob great for
> putting on very accurate cuts
>
> And the quick changeover option I can change over and swap out whole
> routers quicker than it takes to change a router bit
>
> Great for swapping from vertical routing to horizontal routing mod to ball
> cutting mod plus others and back again
>
> Without having a router for each but I almost have that covered now don’t
> I lol :)
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Rick Boeing
> *Sent:* Friday, 30 December 2022 4:05 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: triton router
>
>
>
> I'm with Tim I love the makita's. And they're making them again.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 10:17 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
>
>
>
>
> Are you trying to catch up to me on the router count? lol
>
> I'll be honest I have the smaller router now on my REVO HYBRID EXT which
> is a 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 hp router. Bosch in ht Z access
>
> thats the main router on the HYBRID, I also have a 3 1/4 Makita plunge on
> the standard carriage same machine 2 routers.
>
> My 1200 has 2 routers on as well. on the Z I have the BIG porter cable and
> on the standard carriage I also have a 3 1/4 makita.
>
> Those makita's are sweet routers.
>
> On my actual Revo I have again a Makita which is a 2 1/4 another plunge
> convert.
>
> My steely has no router on at this time but my 1500 has the big Porter
> Cable on the standard carriage, and the woodchuck has
>
> a Craftsman Professional plunge I believe it's 2 1/4 as well.
>
> so where is the picture of this hotrod Tritan Bill??
>
>
>
> .
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 8:55 PM  wrote:
>
> Hey Tim Z and all I just can’t help myself I’m broke since Christmas
>
> And I just bought another as new triton router lol the price was just too
> good and I love triton routers
>
> I’m borrowing off my son to do it. it’s the 1400W version
>
> which in my opinion is the best size for most legacy’s those thumping big
>
> routers everyone puts on their legacys are just not necessary. if your
> slowing down
>
> A 1400W router with a big cut your taking too big and or too fast a cut,
> bad for the router bit
>
> bad for the legacy and for the router, you saw the video I did where I was
> ripping off lots
>
> of material in a big cut that was a 1400W router and it eat it up what
> more do people want.
>
> Some of those big router bits run into a few hundred dollars I for one
> look after them like gold.
>
> Just my opinion
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: router crafter

yeah tough spot to be in. But oh you can corner the market Bill. lol
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:03 AM  wrote:

> Try living down under I am the only owner of one in my entire country lol
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Owner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 December 2022 11:28 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: router crafter
>
>
>
>
>
> Top of the morningTim,
>
> No,  like my LOM 1200 I don’t use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods
> interested in them make me an offer.
>
>
>
> Interestingly of all the Clubs I’ve belonged to over the years and all of
> the symposiums I’ve attended all over the country not a single woodworker
> or woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy
> Ornamental Mill for that matter.
>
>
>
> The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut
> down for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in
> West Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only
> Club I’m still active with even though I’m 2 1/2 hours away.
>
>
>
> Michael Kratky
>
> 119 Riverview Rd.,
>
> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>
>
>
> 518 863-2821
>
> text 518 207-7247
>
>
>
> Email;
>
> krat...@roadrunner.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>
>
> Did you do much with it Michael?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner  wrote:
>
> I still have the Router Crafter in its entirety bought it back in the 70’s.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Kratky
>
> 119 Riverview Rd.,
>
> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>
>
>
> 518 863-2821
>
> text 518 207-7247
>
>
>
> Email;
>
> krat...@roadrunner.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM,  <
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=iQhJS4MZ5nQ_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions
>
>
>
> some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by
> adjusting the stops on the cable they make use
>
> of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
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Re: issues not having the reversing left/right gear set

Curt my manual said that the 900 only came with the left hand
directional gear set.
If you wanted both you had to order it?
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

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On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Mike.
>
> Remember that the Legacy comes with 7 drive gears, and at least one
> Standard gear set. and two directional gears sets, Beyond that everything
> is Gravy!
>
> I find it very funny that most Second hand Legacy's you can find on the
> market today, are missing gears. I have no idea why?  Its not like they
> will fit any other machine on the market, or have any other uses.
> BUT The last Three Legacy's that I've bought second hand were all missing
> the gears.
>
> So knowing this, Perhaps it could be a good way to get someone selling a
> Legacy to lower the price, if they are missing parts?
> Many of these people have no idea on what they have, its just something
> taking up space, and they just want to get rid of it.
>
> Wish you luck on finding your own Legacy.
>
> talk to you more latter.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 01:48:05 PM EST, Mike Newman <
> mrnewma...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> I am looking at another 1200 mill that the owner is trying to find the
> drives gears other than the 1 on the machine.  Also it currently shows what
> I believe is the reversing gear set (2 small gears in housing}on the mill
> but not showing a photo of the std single gear with mounting u-channel.  Is
> this as big an issue as not having drive gears?
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Re: router crafter

Thanks Michael,

Yeah wish we were closer I'd snap up your LOM, But we are in midwinter here
and lots of icy roads. Not great for travel.
It is odd that no one talks about them or maybe don't even own one. It does
seem to be a special type of niche that many
are intimidated by. Also a certain age group of which many are
downsizing and can't sacrifice the space maybe???

Well I am excited for your shows to start. Keep an eye out for Rollie
Johnson, I am sure he's more than ready too.
Look his name up in the Fine WoodWorking Magazine, he's been busy writing
articles for sure.


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:20 PM Owner  wrote:

>
> Top of the morningTim,
> No,  like my LOM 1200 I don’t use it, anyone in the my neck of the woods
> interested in them make me an offer.
>
> Interestingly of all the Clubs I’ve belonged to over the years and all of
> the symposiums I’ve attended all over the country not a single woodworker
> or woodturner has ever mentioned the Router Crafter or even the Legacy
> Ornamental Mill for that matter.
>
> The Woodworking Shows are back on track for this winter after being shut
> down for 3 years,  I will be doing turning demonstrations at the one in
> West Springfield Mass Jan 13-15 for the Western Mass Woodturners the only
> Club I’m still active with even though I’m 2 1/2 hours away.
>
> Michael Kratky
> 119 Riverview Rd.,
> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>
> 518 863-2821
> text 518 207-7247
>
> Email;
> krat...@roadrunner.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Did you do much with it Michael?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04 AM Owner  wrote:
>
>> I still have the Router Crafter in its entirety bought it back in the
>> 70’s.
>>
>>
>> Michael Kratky
>> 119 Riverview Rd.,
>> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>>
>> 518 863-2821
>> text 518 207-7247
>>
>> Email;
>> krat...@roadrunner.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM,  <
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=iQhJS4MZ5nQ_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions
>>
>> some interesting ideas here we could use. One interesting thing by
>> adjusting the stops on the cable they make use
>> of backlash to mill wider hollows interesting.
>>
>> Bill
>>
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Re: triton router

yes and they have really nailed it. They are quiet and smooth. Makita has
really "up-ed" their game.
they had to or they would have been left in the red and yellow dust.
Though I'm a big Milwaukee fan, I don't own their routers or chop saw.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:05 PM Rick Boeing 
wrote:

> I'm with Tim I love the makita's. And they're making them again.
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 10:17 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>> Hey Bill,
>>
>>
>> Are you trying to catch up to me on the router count? lol
>> I'll be honest I have the smaller router now on my REVO HYBRID EXT which
>> is a 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 hp router. Bosch in ht Z access
>> thats the main router on the HYBRID, I also have a 3 1/4 Makita plunge on
>> the standard carriage same machine 2 routers.
>> My 1200 has 2 routers on as well. on the Z I have the BIG porter cable
>> and on the standard carriage I also have a 3 1/4 makita.
>> Those makita's are sweet routers.
>> On my actual Revo I have again a Makita which is a 2 1/4 another plunge
>> convert.
>> My steely has no router on at this time but my 1500 has the big Porter
>> Cable on the standard carriage, and the woodchuck has
>> a Craftsman Professional plunge I believe it's 2 1/4 as well.
>> so where is the picture of this hotrod Tritan Bill??
>>
>> .
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 8:55 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Tim Z and all I just can’t help myself I’m broke since Christmas
>>>
>>> And I just bought another as new triton router lol the price was just
>>> too good and I love triton routers
>>>
>>> I’m borrowing off my son to do it. it’s the 1400W version
>>>
>>> which in my opinion is the best size for most legacy’s those thumping big
>>>
>>> routers everyone puts on their legacys are just not necessary. if your
>>> slowing down
>>>
>>> A 1400W router with a big cut your taking too big and or too fast a cut,
>>> bad for the router bit
>>>
>>> bad for the legacy and for the router, you saw the video I did where I
>>> was ripping off lots
>>>
>>> of material in a big cut that was a 1400W router and it eat it up what
>>> more do people want.
>>>
>>> Some of those big router bits run into a few hundred dollars I for one
>>> look after them like gold.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
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Re: router crafter