Re: new custom mill

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

ok, looked it up on the Legacy website... BASIC! machine price, $80,000... 
15" diameter by 72" capacity between centers... auto tool changer... and 
all the other bells and whistles you would expect for a machine at that 
price level... I might guess that they are on a made-to-order status

On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 9:31:13 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> Interesting... and quite the machine... a bit surprised that Legacy is 
> showing some custom, machine fabrication work, that the client they made 
> the machine for, requested... I would have thought that the client would 
> have wanted that info kept propritory to their specific use... much like 
> the so-called 40 ft. Legacy machine that they made quite a number of years 
> ago(or at least that is what I heard!... LOL!)... and what anyone would use 
> a 40ft Legacy for is also a bit of a mystery... and it seems Legacy is not 
> letting that info out!... also, what does a machine, like what they showed 
> in the video, cost in its basic form?
>
> On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Wow! that's Neat !  
>>
>> I wonder how much those table mountings cost? those just might be able to 
>> use on the manual machines as well.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 07:06:54 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Yeah I saw that the other day. Pretty impressive. for sure. 
>> Thanks for sharing with the group Bill. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
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>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 2:38 AM  wrote:
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>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKV8JWLhzFA  interesting
>>
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>> Bill
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Re: new custom mill

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Interesting... and quite the machine... a bit surprised that Legacy is 
showing some custom, machine fabrication work, that the client they made 
the machine for, requested... I would have thought that the client would 
have wanted that info kept propritory to their specific use... much like 
the so-called 40 ft. Legacy machine that they made quite a number of years 
ago(or at least that is what I heard!... LOL!)... and what anyone would use 
a 40ft Legacy for is also a bit of a mystery... and it seems Legacy is not 
letting that info out!... also, what does a machine, like what they showed 
in the video, cost in its basic form?

On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Wow! that's Neat !  
>
> I wonder how much those table mountings cost? those just might be able to 
> use on the manual machines as well.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>  
>
> On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 07:06:54 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Yeah I saw that the other day. Pretty impressive. for sure. 
> Thanks for sharing with the group Bill. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 2:38 AM  wrote:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKV8JWLhzFA  interesting
>
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> Bill
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Re: A little Decoration

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for the record... I need to remind myself that my perspective towards the 
Legacy is strictly from a business (make some money!) viewpoint... and I 
might think that is the same for others... although I enjoy(ed) working and 
modifying my machine, it was always with the intention of it helping the 
shop produce billable work... taking it past that goal just did not seem 
prudent for me at the time... I'm extremely impressed with the work that a 
lot of the people in this group are making, both as an end product and the 
mods to the equipment to get those products made... I had a lot of plans to 
further  the mods to my machine, but the realization of what CNC equipment 
is capable of doing made me rethink my ambitions... the idea of what our 
Legacys can do and how unique it is(was), was what motivated me in the 
first place... take that away and it just doesn't seem like fun anymore... 
the fact that a person in their teens, with computer skills and a simple 
CNC machine can easily copy what would take us a good amount of time to do 
on our manual machines, is dishearting... and CNC equipment is quickly 
becoming affordable...  even older, used equipment is more affordable as it 
is being replaced by newer versions... as far as using a Legacy for 
personal use, I think is great... but for making money in a business 
setting, not so much... and I am too close to calling it quits to make the 
plunge into the CNC world, so I am sticking with my Legacy... some random 
thoughts on a slow day... Joe B.



On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 2:14:15 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Hey Joe,
>
> Great info and thanks for all the feedback as well. I agree with the size 
> thing. We are very limited to size.
> Even if I did it on the LOM it's limited to less then 12 inch. 
> All that being said though this is a very exciting adventure and I want to 
> continue to pursue it. 
> Yes I follow those Rose ornamental turning lathe guys too and they make me 
> sightly envious 
> but I think I have a lot of fun doing what I do. CNC yes maybe, We have a 
> very large Laser Engraver
> too that I think I can do some incredible things as well. 
> Thanks again Joe I appreciate the feedback. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 8:56 AM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental 
> Mills  wrote:
>
>> Tim's post highlights exactly what my biggest beef was with traditional 
>> ornamental turning... incredible things can be done  with a Holtzapffel or 
>> the piece that Tim used(fairly sure I know what it that is... and nice work 
>> Tim!)... but the limit in the size capacity is what always bothered me and 
>> motivated me to increase my Legacy to the size that it is... as nice as the 
>> piece that Tim did is, details that small will have a tough time once clear 
>> coats, paint or other finishes are applied... to me, the solution is to 
>> make larger pieces, which then larger and deeper decorative cuts can be 
>> milled into the piece... check out some large and incredible ornamental 
>> milling from my former landlord, Harvey Fein...  HARVEYFEIN.NET 
>> <http://www.harveyfein.net/fein_woods/3_stories/index.html> ... I got to 
>> see Harvey's equipment and jigs up close, since his work studio was in the 
>> building my shop was in... incredibly designed jigs that was difficult to 
>> understand... but his work was large and impressive... this helped to 
>> inspire me to modify my equipment... then CNC came very much into use and 
>> somewhat more affordable to the masses, and put all my ideas on the back 
>> burner , since a CNC can out perform practically any jig and offer doing it 
>> at a size we can only dream about(imagine a 4ft by 4ft turned and 
>> ornamentally milled disc!)... anyway, with that being said, I'll put it out 
>> there for for anyone(hey Tim!) to modify and enlarge the piece/accessory 
>> that Tim is using and make something with some size!... go big or go 
>> home!... LOL!... my best to all... Joe Biunno
>>
>> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 7:24:28 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Roger, 
>>> Practicing up to decorate a bowl at some point. 
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
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>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>

Re: A little Decoration

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Tim's post highlights exactly what my biggest beef was with traditional 
ornamental turning... incredible things can be done  with a Holtzapffel or 
the piece that Tim used(fairly sure I know what it that is... and nice work 
Tim!)... but the limit in the size capacity is what always bothered me and 
motivated me to increase my Legacy to the size that it is... as nice as the 
piece that Tim did is, details that small will have a tough time once clear 
coats, paint or other finishes are applied... to me, the solution is to 
make larger pieces, which then larger and deeper decorative cuts can be 
milled into the piece... check out some large and incredible ornamental 
milling from my former landlord, Harvey Fein...  HARVEYFEIN.NET 
 ... I got to 
see Harvey's equipment and jigs up close, since his work studio was in the 
building my shop was in... incredibly designed jigs that was difficult to 
understand... but his work was large and impressive... this helped to 
inspire me to modify my equipment... then CNC came very much into use and 
somewhat more affordable to the masses, and put all my ideas on the back 
burner , since a CNC can out perform practically any jig and offer doing it 
at a size we can only dream about(imagine a 4ft by 4ft turned and 
ornamentally milled disc!)... anyway, with that being said, I'll put it out 
there for for anyone(hey Tim!) to modify and enlarge the piece/accessory 
that Tim is using and make something with some size!... go big or go 
home!... LOL!... my best to all... Joe Biunno

On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 7:24:28 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Thanks Roger, 
> Practicing up to decorate a bowl at some point. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 5:53 AM Ccm Ccm  wrote:
>
>> Very nice
>>
>> On Saturday, June 22, 2024, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
> Hello all, 
>>>
>>> Attached are a couple images of a piece of material that I did
>>> a little experiment on tonight. 
>>> Any guesses to what I did it one?
>>> I'm telling you this thing is a lot of fun. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>> 14171 160th Ave. 
>>> 
>>> Foreston MN 56330 
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Re: reeds and flutes

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regarding the Youtube video and the technique this person is using, is the 
exact way we have been fluting and reeding on legs, finials, bedposts, 
stair balusters, etc. for over 30 years ... a French splindle shaper with 
an indexing device... and I have to disagree, this is a far better and 
faster method to do these types of cuts... unlike a Legacy, no templates 
are necessary... the spindle "rides" along the profile of the piece being 
worked on... you need a gentle touch when doing this, but it is easily 
mastered... the profile of the cut desired is easily done as you only need 
to grind one cutter... the knife is then locked into the center of the 
shaper spindle and most times extends past the face of the spindle usually 
no more than 1/4" to 3/8" when doing these types of "kiss" milling cuts... 
I will say that this method is better suited when doing production work(as 
the person in the video is doing) and this method was eliminated by OSHA a 
long time ago... the Legacy is excellent for small runs, but you will need 
to make a template... regards... Joe Biunno

On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 6:52:05 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> I watched a guitar player that only had his feet. No arms. He was 
> actually  very good. 
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Mel%C3%A9ndez#:~:text=Jos%C3%A9%20Antonio%20Mel%C3%A9ndez%20Rodr%C3%ADguez%20(born,the%20guitar%20with%20his%20feet
> .
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
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> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
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> On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 10:11 PM  wrote:
>
>> Its way beyond me I haven’t even seen my feet for 10 years  lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 3, 2024 12:52 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: reeds and flutes
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yeah thinking I would need a hydraulic stool with a back rest.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
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>>  
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>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 7:49 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Yes I enjoy those too.
>>
>> BUT getting anyone in the group to try use there feet with the Legacy, 
>> could be a hard sell. ;-p
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have a good day.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 03:06:08 AM EDT,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yea I like other videos of him holding his wood lathe cutting tools with 
>> his feet
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 2, 2024 1:55 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: reeds and flutes
>>
>>  
>>
>> Very Nice!
>>
>> Eye Candy for the Legacy user. 
>>
>> OUR way is better. (although that guy most likely has done far more 
>> flutes that the average LOM user.) He did make it look easy.   ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 09:47:55 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3D0One7qsw&ab_channel=Anyskill
>>
>>  
>>
>> reeds and flutes on a spindle and you don’t have a legacy no problem lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
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Re: legacy

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after skimming through the web site it drives home the fact why Legacy 
abandoned the manual machines and went with CNC... true wood carvers just 
went the way of the dodo bird!... LOL!... computer programmers can now ad 
"wood carver" and "furniture parts maker"  to their resume... from a 
business stand point, glad I'll be out of the furniture making field in a 
couple of years... Hopefully!... Joe B.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Very NIce!
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 10:56:13 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> yup just clicked on their new link from their email less then 10 minutes 
> ago lol.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
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> On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 7:31 PM  wrote:
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> I see legacy has a new web sight if anyone is interested 
> https://legacywoodworking.com/
>
>  
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> Bill
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Re: Split nut tap

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not important to this thread per se, but I was told years ago that a 
company in Westbury NY supplied the lead screws for the Legacy machines 
directly to the Legacy company... I went directly to them for the 16ft 
piece I needed for my Legacy length modification and had a somewhat lengthy 
conversation with the company's management... moot point now but relevant 
if anyone in the group needs a length of lead screw for their own 
modifications... strange thing about it was the fact that the company was 
about 1/8 mile from where I was living at the time... the mod gods were 
with me for that very much needed part!... LOL!... Joe B.

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 11:32:12 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> I'm glad your's worked out. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
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> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:15 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> BTW, I checked my tap against the lead screw and they 
>> nested perfectly full length.  So the ACME tap which I think
>> I got from McMaster Carr seems correct.  
>> DanK
>>
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:31:12 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Tim Porter, 
>>>
>>> Not sure if you saw my email but I may have a length to sell.  
>>> What length are you looking for? 
>>> You can private email me and we can possibly discuss this. 
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:55 PM Tim Porter  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bill

 I spoke with Legacy this morning and they made their own lead screws 
 and they were indeed square profile threads. This would make sense as the 
 trapezoid profile would push the screw out of engagement with a load.  If 
 I 
 had access to a lathe I would make a thread chaser tool to rework the 
 profile of my half nuts made with the standard acme tap

 Anybody got a piece of lead screw floating around?


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 Sun City Center. FL 33573
 815-861-1505 <(815)%20861-1505>

 On Jan 22, 2024, at 12:25 PM, Tim Porter  wrote:

 Got me.   Not sure where the machine came from, as it is far older 
 than anyone here knows about but since we have the owners manual and stuff 
 I am thinking it was purchased new.  I don’t believe anyone would have 
 changed out the lead screws and I am pretty sure they have a square 
 profile.  I will double check it when I go back in Wednesday.  I am going 
 to reach out to Legacy to see if they can shed any light on it.   I am 
 also 
 going to put a notice on this board to see if someone had a piece of lead 
 screw on hand.


 Sent from my iPad

 Tim and Cathy Porter
 1902 Dandridge St  D7
 Sun City Center FL 33573


 H. 813-419-4169 <(813)%20419-4169>
 C. 815-861-1505 <(815)%20861-1505>

 On Jan 22, 2024, at 12:05 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

 

 As far as I know legacy never made a square thread leadscrew I didn’t 
 notice that in your pics where did that leadscrew come from ?

 One of the members might have one they could sell to you to make it 
 right or there are places that sell it I believe 

  

 Bill

  

  

 *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
 legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Porter
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2024 3:45 AM
 *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Split nut tap

  

 I took a closer look this morning while at the Woodshop and my half 
 nuts were made with a tap that has trapezoid thread form, like a standard 
 acme.  The lead screw has square thread form, like a buttress thread.  I 
 am 
 going to consult my Machinery Handbook to find what is needed. But the 
 difference between the two profiles is preventing the half nuts I had made 
 from fully engaging. Diameters and lead are correct.  When I obtain the 
 proper tap, I should be able to rethread my current blocks and be good to 
 go.   BTW there is no reason these half nuts couldn’t be made from hard 
 maple.

  

  

 Sent from my iPad

  

 Tim and Cathy Porter

 1902 Dandridge St  D7

 Sun City Center FL 33573

  

  

 H. 813-419-4169 <(813)%20419-4169>

 C. 815-861-1505 <(815)%20861-1505>



 On Jan 22, 2024, at 7:04 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

 I bought a tap during the original discussion, but have

Re: clock

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

and thus, the reason why Legacy dropped the manual machines... let's 
remember Legacy's ideal market was/is to people who are doing commercial, 
billable woodworking... the hobbyist/amateur woodworking market was not 
going to get them where they wanted to go... although I would comment that 
the one thing you never see mentioned in any CNC demo video is how much 
time it takes to make the program... certainly quicker if you have computer 
skills(not me!... LOL!)... but the older machines do have a use for certain 
operations, even at a commercial level(me, for example) when doing low 
quantity furniture parts... and I might think that for a lot in this group, 
the challenges of using the manual machine is what it's all about... if it 
was possible to set up the work, hit a button, walk away and have lunch, 
come back later and the job was done, the work would not be as rewarding as 
when overcoming the challenges of using a manual machine... with all of 
that being said, I am somewhat glad I will be leaving the woodworking 
business in a few years(hopefully!) and won't have to butt heads with my 
(button pushing)competitors!... hope all enjoyed the holidays!... your 
lurking group member, Joe Biunno

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 1:05:32 AM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
wrote:

> Yea I thought so too its filed away in my wow folder lol
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2024 4:19 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: clock
>
>  
>
> I have to admit, that is one of the Best Legacy videos that I've seen in 
> Very long time.
>
>  
>
> Thank you Bill.
>
>  
>
> Great find.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:16:16 PM EST, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r3F4RWDQ1Q&ab_channel=LegacyCNC
>
>  
>
> when I see how long the clock takes on the manual mill videos it sure 
> makes me envious of the cnc 
>
>  
>
> Bill
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Re: How to eliminate nuisance

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try this... when first logging onto the group's page, and where it lists 
all of the "conversations", on the left side of the page, click on "my 
membership settings"... then just a bit to the right, click on the box that 
is directly under "subscription", four choices should pop up, "each email", 
"digest", " abridged" and "no email"... click on "no email"... I believe 
this will stop all email notifications whenever someone posts a comment... 
Joe Biunno

On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 10:35:46 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hey there Bill
>
> We will have to wait and see what happens with Dan.  
> The Sad part of it is.   Once he dose that, We will have lost a member.
>
> Google no longer supports Group. There are a number  of small glitches 
> that we are having now due to this.
>
> I suspect one day we will post in, and find out that the group is no long 
> here.
> The ONLY Way we can stay active is to post E-mail in the hope some BEAN 
> Counter can see that the service is still in use.
> Very much like You Tube, If you don't click on the like button or... No 
> one knows if the videos are being watched or not.
>
> This is one of the main reasons why we have not gone through the 
> non-active members list, If we remove the members who are no longer active, 
> there is a very good chance, someone will see/think we are not big enough 
> to keep. Then the Group IT'S SELF will be Deleted.
>
> Times are changing, We don't know what will happen in the future,  All 
> that I can say for sure is, 
> HOPE and Pray. Use what you/we have everyday, and time will tell what will 
> happen.
>
> Talk to you all more latter.
> Have a GREAT day everyone.
>
> Now its time for me to go to work.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 01:48:51 AM EDT,  
> wrote: 
>
>
> Curt he might need to remove his email address from the groups settings 
>
> That way the only way to know if there has been any postings to the group
>
> Will be to long on and look
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 19, 2023 2:14 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: How to eliminate nuisance
>
>  
>
> Hello Dan
>
>  
>
> I just got home, when I looked at your settings it dose state No e-mail.
>
> I have no idea if this is something that you have done or not?
>
> Please keep us informed it this problem keeps happening?
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 08:45:33 PM EDT, Dan Krager <
> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Can anyone tell me how to suppress all email notifications?  I keep 
> getting emailed every conversation even though I think I have all settings 
> turned off.  Am I missing something?
>
>  
>
> DanK
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Re: LOM for sale

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[image: msimon twig dresser.jpg]
hey guys... finances are in the crapper, so need to keep working... plan 
now is to go to I'm 71(currently 68)... haven't used my Legacy in a very 
long time... it's in upstate NY, 120 miles away so I don't even have a 
chance to "play" with it(and I do have some interesting ideas)... went to 
the society of Ornamental Turners open house a week or so ago in Port 
Chester NY... quite a unique experience... a lot of Holtzapffel's and Rose 
Engine lathes... all on display, all there for members to play with... very 
far advanced than our Legacy's... but with strict size restrictions... wish 
I had the time to play with the Legacy and make some large scale items with 
high details... similar to what a Holtzapffel can do but on a much larger 
scale... some of the guys there are wound up pretty tight and almost all 
that I spoke to readily admitted that it is not a money making endeavor... 
it is a hobby first and foremost some incredibly beautiful things can 
be made with the equipment they have but at the expense of perhaps hundreds 
of hours to do it... I personally feel the challenge we all face is not to 
have the most sophisticated or accessorized machine(a computerized machine 
can put us all to shame!), it is knowing what to design so that we can then 
use our equipment to make it and then wowing anyone who takes the time to 
see it... anyway I thought I would post a piece we just finished for a 
decorator and client... carvings are hand done and were carved off the 
cabinet so they are very 3-dimensional... drawer handles are intertwined 
with the carvings... carvings are 23K water gilt and burnished real gold 
leaf(no oil size here) with a striaided lacquer background... and this is 
in a small entry foyer right off the passenger elevator... to give you an 
idea of what an expensive piece like this was given such an insignificant 
location... been following all of the posts and have to say the idea of 3D 
printing the gears in plastic is not a long term viable option in my 
opinion... metal is the only way to go... and if it turns out to be a bit 
pricey, well then that's the way it is... whether Legacy does it or some 
other outside source... get your order into Legacy now, bite the bullet and 
pay the price and simply be patient... regards to all... Joe Biunno
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:12:44 PM UTC-5 M.W.Foscue wrote:

> Link did not work for me either.
>
>  
>
> GREAT to hear from you, Joe!  How are you doing?
>
> Retired and moving to the Bahamas? (Or already there?)
>
> Or still in NY - freezing your tail off?  LoL!
>
> Built any more "Mill-Zillas"?
>
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Feb 23, 2023 10:03 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Subject: Re: LOM for sale
>
>  
> no link connection
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:49:05 AM UTC-5 Dan Krager wrote:
>
>> Saw this 
>> 
>>  
>> on FB marketplace.  Not much info to go with it.  
>>  
>> DanK
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Re: LOM for sale

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no link connection

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:49:05 AM UTC-5 Dan Krager wrote:

> Saw this 
> 
>  
> on FB marketplace.  Not much info to go with it.  
>
> DanK
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Re: new tilting Z axis

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

thanks Bill!... I feel fortunate that I can write off the costs of the mods 
I did as business expenses... some were a bit costly, but felt it was 
justified if the following week I was going to use the machine to make a 
costly, billable piece for a client... very impressed with what a number of 
people in this group have accomplished in the way of modifying their Legacy 
machines and it being somewhat of a "hobby" for them... Joe B.

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:17:10 AM UTC-5 aussiman wrote:

> Now that’s just showing off 😊 lol that big mill of yours really is 
> something Joe
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 January 2023 3:04 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: new tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> for the new guys that might be interested... I believe I posted this 
> previously, but not sure... my "Z" axis upgrade with the router rotating on 
> the "X" plane  and tilting on the "Y" plane... this was done with the 
> smallest tilting/rotary table I could find(Grizzly?)...  mounted the Legacy 
> router mounting plate to the rotary/tilting table, then mounted the table 
> to an aluminum plate that was then attached to the "Z" axis tower... 
> multiple mounting holes allowed the router quite a bit of up and down 
> mounting positions... also widened the "Z" axis tower by using some small 
> pieces of leftover aluminum railing... this was probably the easiest and 
> quickest mod i ever did on my machine... and the sight lines it created to 
> the workpiece are very much improved from a typical "Z" axis... the router 
> can rotate a full 360 degrees(but for what?... LOL!) and tilt out 90 
> degrees,(I believe)... although I have not tested the limits of these 
> variable router positions, physics being what they are, I might suspect 
> there would be some vibration issues if taking large cuts with large router 
> bits... so far, haven't had to do that, just small milling cuts on 
> pre-turned workpieces with excellent results... can do undercuts with this 
> setup, but then again, why?... I don't ever get to "play" with my Legacy to 
> see what it is capable of doing, as it is necessary for me to spend most of 
> my time at work doing billable jobs... I even had to move the machine quite 
> a distance away from my everyday shop as it was rarely needed for the 
> current work we are doing... photo shows this setup in use... doing a 
> twisted fluted pole... because of the rotation of the router and the 
> "attack" angle of the  fluting bit, there was little to no sanding 
> necessary... big advantage then coming from top dead center(as previousle 
> done on the unmodified Legacy)... the router bit is now being used as it 
> was designed to be used... Joe Biunno
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:58:18 AM UTC-5 aussiman wrote:
>
> Ps what I forgot to mention is that it all comes off and you can put the 
> whole z axis back to legacy stock standard if needed as well
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 January 2023 2:43 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: new tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> perfect, no a good explanation works out just fine. Thanks for that Bill. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 8:56 AM  wrote:
>
> No the entire plate is held in place with 4 screws from the back you just 
> undo them and move the plate down lower then do them up lower down
>
> I would have filmed it but I needed both hands to do that part the router 
> itself can be rotated 360 degrees changing from vertical to horizontal 
> takes 
>
> About 5 min
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 23 January 2023 11:03 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: new tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> Very good Bill, 
>
> I can really appreciate all the different moves and the flexibility you 
> have with your adjustments. 
>
> There is hardly a position you can't reach. 
>
> Do you have to remove the router mounting plate to get it back in its 
> normal upright position?
>
> I can really appreciate the well thought out proce

Re: new tilting Z axis

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

for the new guys that might be interested... I believe I posted this 
previously, but not sure... my "Z" axis upgrade with the router rotating on 
the "X" plane  and tilting on the "Y" plane... this was done with the 
smallest tilting/rotary table I could find(Grizzly?)...  mounted the Legacy 
router mounting plate to the rotary/tilting table, then mounted the table 
to an aluminum plate that was then attached to the "Z" axis tower... 
multiple mounting holes allowed the router quite a bit of up and down 
mounting positions... also widened the "Z" axis tower by using some small 
pieces of leftover aluminum railing... this was probably the easiest and 
quickest mod i ever did on my machine... and the sight lines it created to 
the workpiece are very much improved from a typical "Z" axis... the router 
can rotate a full 360 degrees(but for what?... LOL!) and tilt out 90 
degrees,(I believe)... although I have not tested the limits of these 
variable router positions, physics being what they are, I might suspect 
there would be some vibration issues if taking large cuts with large router 
bits... so far, haven't had to do that, just small milling cuts on 
pre-turned workpieces with excellent results... can do undercuts with this 
setup, but then again, why?... I don't ever get to "play" with my Legacy to 
see what it is capable of doing, as it is necessary for me to spend most of 
my time at work doing billable jobs... I even had to move the machine quite 
a distance away from my everyday shop as it was rarely needed for the 
current work we are doing... photo shows this setup in use... doing a 
twisted fluted pole... because of the rotation of the router and the 
"attack" angle of the  fluting bit, there was little to no sanding 
necessary... big advantage then coming from top dead center(as previousle 
done on the unmodified Legacy)... the router bit is now being used as it 
was designed to be used... Joe Biunno[image: legacy tw.jpg]

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:58:18 AM UTC-5 aussiman wrote:

> Ps what I forgot to mention is that it all comes off and you can put the 
> whole z axis back to legacy stock standard if needed as well
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 January 2023 2:43 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: new tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> perfect, no a good explanation works out just fine. Thanks for that Bill. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 8:56 AM  wrote:
>
> No the entire plate is held in place with 4 screws from the back you just 
> undo them and move the plate down lower then do them up lower down
>
> I would have filmed it but I needed both hands to do that part the router 
> itself can be rotated 360 degrees changing from vertical to horizontal 
> takes 
>
> About 5 min
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 23 January 2023 11:03 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: new tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> Very good Bill, 
>
> I can really appreciate all the different moves and the flexibility you 
> have with your adjustments. 
>
> There is hardly a position you can't reach. 
>
> Do you have to remove the router mounting plate to get it back in its 
> normal upright position?
>
> I can really appreciate the well thought out process and machining it took 
> to create this as well.
>
> Honestly it looks more user friendly then my Horizontal mount I created. 
>
> Excellent job Bill and thanks for sharing with the group. 
>
>  
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:55 AM  wrote:
>
> Ok I went out to the shop in the heat for a few min today and did a quick 
> walkaround  video of my new tilting
>
> Z axis mod I made a few weeks ago .
>
> https://youtu.be/IY97AGLe1cA
>
>  
>
> if anyone wants to see,.. why do you need horizontal milling in my case 
> for making threaded nuts and bowls and whatever else
>
> you can think of that requires internal milling. And in the vertical I 
> need tilting to mill ribbon spirals
>
>
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
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Re: Looking for a better steady rest for the Legacy

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

and to Tim Z. ... that is my Facebook page that I started years ago with no 
objections from the Legacy heirarchy

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 1:43:04 PM UTC-5 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah I think you're right Bill. I believe his is on the Facebook page too, 
> that someone started a few years back
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 12:28 PM  wrote:
>
>> I’m fairly sure that’s joes big mill, he is a member ,for weeks he posted 
>> every step of him enlarging that mill it was a few years back  so it would 
>> be in the archives 
>>
>> If you looked it up I’m sure including that steady 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Jeff Richmond
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2023 10:28 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Looking for a better steady rest for the Legacy
>>
>>  
>>
>> I typically use the Legacy steady rest (v-block) mounted to the cross 
>> rails so it matches the taper but am open to improvements. My shopsmith 
>> uses a wheel design but with only 2 back rollers. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I did find this interesting on a mod someone did for a larger legacy. 
>> They also added linear rails and widened their bed.
>>
>>  
>>
>> [image: IMG_3614]
>>
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2023, at 11:42 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I think long rollers should work.
>>
>> I will see what I can come up with. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:28:06 PM EST,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I made one similar to that and it was not that successful the work kept 
>> bumping as the wheels went over the spiral but if the wheels were
>>
>> Replaced with rollers I think it would work
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2023 1:52 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Looking for a better steady rest for the Legacy
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is a neat idea. Im not sure how it can be used on the Legacy. but 
>> ...?
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 09:15:26 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> yup lots of good idea's out there. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 8:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I've been looking for new ideas. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am looking for A better steady rest for the Legacy.
>>
>> Perhaps something that will either ride on the carriage or possibility of 
>> riding in the side rails and to be pushed by the carriage? Side rails 
>> would  be nice, since then you would not have any problems with tapered 
>> spindles.
>>
>> Self adjusting would also be nice!  
>>
>> So far I have not seen what I want, but though I would pass some idea's 
>> along to you guys.
>>
>>  
>>
>> What I have works, but I want better.
>>
>> Any and Or all ideas are welcome.
>>
>> Here are some links. 
>>
>> Its time to  put on our (collective) thinking caps on. ;-) 
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> https://www.instructables.com/Steady-Rest-for-Wood-Lathe/
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EaBNVQw9dI&t=193s  See a copy lathe 
>> steady in action...
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
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>>  
>> 

Re: Looking for a better steady rest for the Legacy

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

and just remembered that the white nylon pieces are actually shaft collars 
that were already split in the middle and had recessed allen head bolts to 
clamp the two halves together... if it wasn't for McMaster-Carr... 
LOL!... Joe

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 1:07:25 PM UTC-5 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> hello everyone... it has been a while... yes, those are the steady rests I 
> made a while back... they were specifically designed and built to suit my 
> purpose to support very long curtain poles that could be as long as 15-16 
> feet, so I made three rests... a follower rest just would not work for my 
> application so I made the three steady rests... the base is a motorcycle 
> lift piece that serves as the "Z" or vertical adjustment... not very 
> expensive either... on top of the lift is an "X" "Y" cross slide with a 
> vice built into it... the "X" or left-to-right feature of the slide is 
> rarely needed, as I simply position the rest in the location needed and 
> screw it down to the wooden bed of the base that supports the Legacy... the 
> vise is a nice feature to have as i can make any piece I want to suit the 
> profile of the piece I am milling... and with the option of milling from 
> the top(12 o'clock) or the side(3 O'clock position)... in the photo the 
> white material is a nylon of some kind(McMaster) the I bored out for 
> different diameter poles... this was all done with the idea of production 
> in mind, which has been very little of late... and one of these rests might 
> not fit in a typical Legacy bed cavity as my space is 19" X 19"... but 
> smaller pieces might be available to make a rest that's properly sized for 
> the Legacy... most Legacy's would only need one rest... after studying the 
> situation for a bit, I felt a following rest just had too many restrictions 
> and complications... this design can easily hold any spindle, with or 
> without a taper... and is very easy and quick to adjust... and is rock 
> solid... my best to all... Joe Biunno
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:21:55 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Hello Bill
>>
>> I was thinking of something more like this. 
>> [image: Inline image]
>> but with larger rollers. And perhaps something that would move with the 
>> cut.
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 01:55:58 PM EST,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> I’m fairly sure that’s joes big mill, he is a member ,for weeks he posted 
>> every step of him enlarging that mill it was a few years back  so it would 
>> be in the archives 
>>
>> If you looked it up I’m sure including that steady 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Jeff Richmond
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2023 10:28 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Looking for a better steady rest for the Legacy
>>
>>  
>>
>> I typically use the Legacy steady rest (v-block) mounted to the cross 
>> rails so it matches the taper but am open to improvements. My shopsmith 
>> uses a wheel design but with only 2 back rollers. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I did find this interesting on a mod someone did for a larger legacy. 
>> They also added linear rails and widened their bed.
>>
>>  
>>
>> [image: IMG_3614]
>>
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2023, at 11:42 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I think long rollers should work.
>>
>> I will see what I can come up with. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:28:06 PM EST,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I made one similar to that and it was not that successful the work kept 
>> bumping as the wheels went over the spiral but if the wheels were
>>
>> Replaced with rollers I think it would work
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2023 1:52 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Looking for a better steady rest for the Legacy
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is a neat idea. Im not sure how it can be used on the Legacy. but 
>> ...?
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 09:15:26 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> yup lots of good idea's out there. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 8:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I've been looking for new ideas. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am looking for A better steady rest for the Legacy.
>>
>> Perhaps something that will either ride on the carriage or possibility of 
>> riding in the side rails and to be pushed by the carri

Re: Looking for a better steady rest for the Legacy

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

hello everyone... it has been a while... yes, those are the steady rests I 
made a while back... they were specifically designed and built to suit my 
purpose to support very long curtain poles that could be as long as 15-16 
feet, so I made three rests... a follower rest just would not work for my 
application so I made the three steady rests... the base is a motorcycle 
lift piece that serves as the "Z" or vertical adjustment... not very 
expensive either... on top of the lift is an "X" "Y" cross slide with a 
vice built into it... the "X" or left-to-right feature of the slide is 
rarely needed, as I simply position the rest in the location needed and 
screw it down to the wooden bed of the base that supports the Legacy... the 
vise is a nice feature to have as i can make any piece I want to suit the 
profile of the piece I am milling... and with the option of milling from 
the top(12 o'clock) or the side(3 O'clock position)... in the photo the 
white material is a nylon of some kind(McMaster) the I bored out for 
different diameter poles... this was all done with the idea of production 
in mind, which has been very little of late... and one of these rests might 
not fit in a typical Legacy bed cavity as my space is 19" X 19"... but 
smaller pieces might be available to make a rest that's properly sized for 
the Legacy... most Legacy's would only need one rest... after studying the 
situation for a bit, I felt a following rest just had too many restrictions 
and complications... this design can easily hold any spindle, with or 
without a taper... and is very easy and quick to adjust... and is rock 
solid... my best to all... Joe Biunno

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:21:55 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Bill
>
> I was thinking of something more like this. 
> [image: Inline image]
> but with larger rollers. And perhaps something that would move with the 
> cut.
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 01:55:58 PM EST,  
> wrote: 
>
>
> I’m fairly sure that’s joes big mill, he is a member ,for weeks he posted 
> every step of him enlarging that mill it was a few years back  so it would 
> be in the archives 
>
> If you looked it up I’m sure including that steady 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Jeff Richmond
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2023 10:28 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Looking for a better steady rest for the Legacy
>
>  
>
> I typically use the Legacy steady rest (v-block) mounted to the cross 
> rails so it matches the taper but am open to improvements. My shopsmith 
> uses a wheel design but with only 2 back rollers. 
>
>  
>
> I did find this interesting on a mod someone did for a larger legacy. They 
> also added linear rails and widened their bed.
>
>  
>
> [image: IMG_3614]
>
>
> Jeff from Connecticut 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2023, at 11:42 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I think long rollers should work.
>
> I will see what I can come up with. ;-)
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:28:06 PM EST,  
> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I made one similar to that and it was not that successful the work kept 
> bumping as the wheels went over the spiral but if the wheels were
>
> Replaced with rollers I think it would work
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2023 1:52 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Looking for a better steady rest for the Legacy
>
>  
>
> Here is a neat idea. Im not sure how it can be used on the Legacy. but ...?
>
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 09:15:26 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> yup lots of good idea's out there. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 8:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I've been looking for new ideas. 
>
>  
>
> I am looking for A better steady rest for the Legacy.
>
> Perhaps something that will either ride on the carriage or possibility of 
> riding in the side rails and to be pushed by the carriage? Side rails 
> would  be nice, since then you would not have any problems with tapered 
> spindles.
>
> Self adjusting would also be nice!  
>
> So far I have not seen what I want, but though I would pass some idea's 
> along to you guys.
>
>  
>
> What I have works, but I want better.
>
> Any and Or all ideas are welcome.
>
> Here are some links. 
>
> Its time to  put on our (collective) thinking caps on. ;-) 
>
>  
>
> C.A.G. 
>
>  
>
> https://www.instructables.com/Steady-

if anyone is bored with their traditional, old Legacy(s)

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Facebook 

  
... here is a link to a Maverick, CNC, 4 X 8 Legacy machine listed on 
Facebook Marketplace... Location is California... check out the link listed 
in the ad that shows what this machine can do... I thought it was some 
impressive work... and why I basically stopped modifying my Legacy to do 
more than what it was intended to do... from a financial and money making 
standpoint, computers are winning! and taking over... I am just too far 
along in my working career (68) to have the discipline to teach myself how 
to use the computer to turn/carve a piece of wood from a business and 
money-making perspective... but maybe someone in the group would be 
interested in this machine for sale... my best to all in the group1... Joe 
Biunno

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Re: Name question

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

hey guys!... to begin, I have been out of contact for a while(but still 
reading all of your posts) because of the passing of my brother, work has 
been challenging lately and I stupidly have been not understanding some 
settings on my computer which did not allow me to see the "comment" and 
"reply" icons for the group... all is in the past and I figured out the 
computer, so I am back!... I want to make a statement regarding the Legacy 
Company and their manual mills made in the past... to my knowledge, there 
were only a few companies making what we in the group would call an 
"ornamental mill", over the past 30, +/-, years... Legacy, Killinger, Vega 
and Sears(not counting some exotic, hydraulic, highly industrial copy 
lathes)... and I have owned and used them all... we all know the Sears unit 
and basically it is a toy and not to be given any serious consideration... 
Vega sold a twisting accessory that was only for twisting on spindles and 
had very limited use... it had to be used with their duplicator... it was 
not practical... Killinger wasn't a bad unit( I purchased three machines 
and proceeded to cut, weld and machine the three together to make a 12 ft. 
Frankenstein monster... got the jobs done that I needed but what a horror 
to use!) but like the other two first mentioned, very limited in what it 
could do... then comes the Legacy line... I was in contact with Andy 
basically when he first started the company... the innovations and 
improvements that he and his team came up with over those early years was 
incredible... to design, manufacture, market, educate, etc. their product 
line was quite the task... and think about how many shows they did and what 
it cost to do those woodworking shows!... and by far, they blew the 
competition away!... nothing was close to what the Legacy could do... and 
yet it still wasn't enough to keep the company viable due to a downturn in 
sales... sure, there are about 10 to 20 of us who would love to be able to 
buy gears, rails, accessories, etc. when we wanted or needed them, but the 
cost factor of manufacturing parts, mass productionof parts(only way to 
make it profitable), storage, book keeping, etc., etc. just wasn't a 
viable, long term, financial situation for Legacy... not enough interest in 
the machine... and in today's world with CNC carving/milling 
machinery(getting cheaper and more affordable every day!) and 3D printing 
machinery(soon to be in every home!... LOL!), a Legacy machine would be 
dead last in sales, if there were any at all... no sales of machines means 
no sales of parts or accessories... so for all of the "I wish I could buy 
the Evo machine today" guys, we all had our chance... we just didn't act on 
it... and if it was available today, for let's say $4,000, how many would 
step up to buy it?... if you find one, and you have to have it, but the 
owner doesn't really want to sell it, "make him an offer he can't refuse" 
and put it in your "collection" of Legacy machines... perhaps one day it 
will reach "Holtzapffel" status!... and if you think there are issues 
finding parts and accessories for Legacy machines, go have a conversation 
with the Holtzapffel guys!... LOL!... we all have our machines and all I 
can say is thanks to the Legacy team(and specifically Andy) for making a 
very unique piece of equipment... I know I could not have made it better... 
rant over!... Joe B.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:32:21 PM UTC-5 timjz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Yup I'm with you Tim. I wouldn't dig it up either. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 7:35 AM Tim Krause  wrote:
>
>> I'd like a small desktop cnc so I could help others. There is absolutely 
>> no reason to bug Andy! Like I said, it's water under the bridge.
>> On Nov 9, 2022, at 5:25 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I cant help but wonder What If, We remind Andy on his promise? 
>>> Perhaps Legacy could make a Small CNC for Tim. (something that will fit, 
>>> under the kitchen table, when not in use. ) ;-p 
>>>
>>> C.A.G. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 06:45:08 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Yup pretty much all one can say at this point.  
>>> We all know they are big into CnC and that machine was the true 
>>> beginning of it I think. (though it would be nice to have one) 
>>>
>>> Kind Regards, 
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler 
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 
>>> 14171 160th Ave. 
>>> Foreston MN 56330 
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop 
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 4:34 AM Tim Krause < artma...@comcast.net> 
>>> wrote: 
>>>
>>> I just tripple checked...nope still not here. That's okay, I was going 
>>> to use the mill for

Re: Name question

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

wow!... for all the "I wish I had one of those" guys out there, all it 
takes is money to obtain one of those Evo's... find someone who has one and 
offer a ridiculous amount of money... people are either complaining that 
there weren't enough machines to suit their needs or they are too 
expensive... Delta, Powermatic, and now Craftsman all discontinued 
supporting many machines that they made over the past years... it's a fact 
of business... if there are not a lot of people that want your product you 
stop making that product and move on to something else... if an ornamental 
mill was still that desireable, the machines that are still out in the wild 
would be selling for a lot more than they currently are... I just do not 
get the narrative that is constantly being presented here... let it go 
already... Joe B.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:35:09 AM UTC-5 Tim wrote:

> I'd like a small desktop cnc so I could help others. There is absolutely 
> no reason to bug Andy! Like I said, it's water under the bridge.
> On Nov 9, 2022, at 5:25 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I cant help but wonder What If, We remind Andy on his promise? 
>> Perhaps Legacy could make a Small CNC for Tim. (something that will fit, 
>> under the kitchen table, when not in use. ) ;-p 
>>
>> C.A.G. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 06:45:08 AM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Yup pretty much all one can say at this point.  
>> We all know they are big into CnC and that machine was the true 
>> beginning of it I think. (though it would be nice to have one) 
>>
>> Kind Regards, 
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler 
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 
>> 14171 160th Ave. 
>> Foreston MN 56330 
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop 
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 4:34 AM Tim Krause < artma...@comcast.net> wrote: 
>>
>> I just tripple checked...nope still not here. That's okay, I was going to 
>> use the mill for suporting others. But, I don't think many were made. It's 
>> all just water under the bridge. 
>>
>> Tim 
>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:31 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote: 
>>
>> Well holy crap Tim Ks mill must be sitting at his front door.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, 7 November 2022 2:14 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Name question
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here you are Bill
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 9:10 PM  wrote:
>>
>> I have never seen a flying pig lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, 7 November 2022 1:31 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Name question
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hello Mac.
>>
>>  
>>
>> YES! and No.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yes Andy did promise Tim a mill for all the reasons you stated.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> And No. I have no idea when it will get to him?  (I'm sure it was an 
>> Honest mistake, and it will arrive any day...) ;-p
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 09:18:38 PM EST, M.W.Foscue <
>> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> At the risk of digging up old bones - isn't that the Mill that Legacy was 
>> going to send Tim K. years ago - in appreciation for all that he had done 
>> for the Legacy Mill community? 
>>
>> Mac
>>
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Nov 6, 2022 3:43 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: RE: Name question
>>
>>  
>>
>> This is the evolution mill
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Monday, 7 November 2022 2:31 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Name question
>>
>>  
>>
>> I see several messages about an "Evolution" Legacy Mill.  I own what the 
>> manual calls a "REVO" legacy mill, which the fine print spells out as short 
>> for "...a *revolution*ary new design."  
>>
>>  
>>
>> So am I missing something here?
>>
>>  
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  
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Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

hey Bill... a bit of confusion on my part... to begin, I do not have access 
to my machine this week... I am in the city and the machines is upstate... 
so my eyes are not on it to properly answer your question... but I went to 
McMaster-Carr and they do not have a 10-32 T-slot nut, so I now seem to 
remember that I used the Legacy piece that is rectangular with rounded ends 
and the thread in the middle... I have a lot of Legacy hardware left over 
when I combined the two machines and these worked well for what I was 
doing... I do seem to remember that I have seen these available 
commercially but I can't remember from where... but it was a 10-32 thread, 
that I remember... Joe
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 6:31:47 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Yes I see the thread just appearing down the centre of the rib very clever 
> can you please post a pic of the T nut you used so I can see what type to 
> buy I have a mod coming up that I need to stack a couple of rails together 
> similar to what you did
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 10 June 2021 1:37 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping
>
>  
>
> hey Bill... let me start by saying that I don't have access to my Legacy 
> on a daily basis... I was forced to downsize my shop due to economics and 
> the legacy did not warrant a full time place in the new shop due to the 
> little use it got... it is in a warehouse a bit upstate from where the shop 
> is(110 miles)... I usually go up to the warehouse every other weekend(26 
> times a year!... LOL!)... and I believe you are referring to how I widened 
> my "Z" axis... I began by cutting some small pieces of Legacy aluminum rail 
> from a Legacy machine base that was not being used... these were about 3" 
> long... I then used a "T" nut(McMaster-Carr) with a 10-32 thread that fit 
> snuggly in the "groove" of the rail and stuck out far enough to also fit 
> into the groove of the other rail... that was a bit of luck on my part... 
> so basically, the two rails(the short piece and the originally piece from 
> the "Z" axis) registered and self-aligned themselves... I then drilled a 
> hole through the "spline of the Legacy rail to correspond with the location 
> of the "T" nut in the short piece... doesn't show in the photo, but if you 
> look at the vertical piece of aluminum rail in the same photo, you can see 
> a bit of the 10-32, socket head bolt peeking through the center spline of 
> the rail... in fact, I can see 5 drillings in that vertical rail... this 
> was an easy, quick mod that took about an hour... no special tooling, 
> machining or welding was necessary... and made a big improvement as to what 
> was happening below with the router... and also gave me the room to angle 
> the router, when that was needed to do spiral cuts from the side... at this 
> moment I cannot take better photos to show all of this, but I hope I have 
> explained it... and when completed, the "Z" axis was rock solid, no 
> deflection whatsoever... any questions, please ask... Joe B.
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 6:47:12 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Joe I still love that mill of yours can you tell me how you joined the 
> rails together I cant see any screws between the short piece of rail and 
> the cross slide rail its been a while and I forgot how you did it.
>
>  
>
> Bill.
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 June 2021 4:18 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping
>
>  
>
>
> hey Tim... the photo posted is of my Legacy... some additional photos are 
> on the Legacy Facebook page... here is a photo of my "Z" axis without the 
> router and mounting plate... that is a rotary indexing table which the 
> router mounts onto... you can set the router to any angle and also 90 
> degrees to do faceplate work... this is an early photo, before I modified 
> the "Z" axis... more photos to follow... Joe
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:38:15 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey Joe,
>
>  
>
> Thanks for the input. 
>
> Who posted the pic with the angled router?
>
> I would like more pix of that design. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>

Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

hey Bill... let me start by saying that I don't have access to my Legacy on 
a daily basis... I was forced to downsize my shop due to economics and the 
legacy did not warrant a full time place in the new shop due to the little 
use it got... it is in a warehouse a bit upstate from where the shop is(110 
miles)... I usually go up to the warehouse every other weekend(26 times a 
year!... LOL!)... and I believe you are referring to how I widened my "Z" 
axis... I began by cutting some small pieces of Legacy aluminum rail from a 
Legacy machine base that was not being used... these were about 3" long... 
I then used a "T" nut(McMaster-Carr) with a 10-32 thread that fit snuggly 
in the "groove" of the rail and stuck out far enough to also fit into the 
groove of the other rail... that was a bit of luck on my part... so 
basically, the two rails(the short piece and the originally piece from the 
"Z" axis) registered and self-aligned themselves... I then drilled a hole 
through the "spline of the Legacy rail to correspond with the location of 
the "T" nut in the short piece... doesn't show in the photo, but if you 
look at the vertical piece of aluminum rail in the same photo, you can see 
a bit of the 10-32, socket head bolt peeking through the center spline of 
the rail... in fact, I can see 5 drillings in that vertical rail... this 
was an easy, quick mod that took about an hour... no special tooling, 
machining or welding was necessary... and made a big improvement as to what 
was happening below with the router... and also gave me the room to angle 
the router, when that was needed to do spiral cuts from the side... at this 
moment I cannot take better photos to show all of this, but I hope I have 
explained it... and when completed, the "Z" axis was rock solid, no 
deflection whatsoever... any questions, please ask... Joe B.

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 6:47:12 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Joe I still love that mill of yours can you tell me how you joined the 
> rails together I cant see any screws between the short piece of rail and 
> the cross slide rail its been a while and I forgot how you did it.
>
>  
>
> Bill.
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 June 2021 4:18 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping
>
>  
>
>
> hey Tim... the photo posted is of my Legacy... some additional photos are 
> on the Legacy Facebook page... here is a photo of my "Z" axis without the 
> router and mounting plate... that is a rotary indexing table which the 
> router mounts onto... you can set the router to any angle and also 90 
> degrees to do faceplate work... this is an early photo, before I modified 
> the "Z" axis... more photos to follow... Joe
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 1:38:15 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey Joe,
>
>  
>
> Thanks for the input. 
>
> Who posted the pic with the angled router?
>
> I would like more pix of that design. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 11:50 AM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental 
> Mills  wrote:
>
>
>   have done a lot of roping over the years, whether it be a flute or a 
> reed... originally started with the cutter at top/center position, but that 
> required a good amount of sanding... especially when doing a twisted 
> reed... the plunge cutting, round over bit was not a well designed bit as 
> the end of the bit was so small in diameter, and then that narrow point  
> was divided into two, that the point was cutting the wood very poorly.. it 
> was practically burning its way through the cut at the tip of the bit... 
> but cutting from the side with a different designed bit solved that 
> problem... hence why Magnate came out with those extra long, side cutting 
> router bits... for straight cutting flutes or reeds, they are excellent... 
> but for spiral work, it is best to angle the router to suit the angle of 
> the spiral pitch... especially when using the reeding bit... this is 
> impossible on a Legacy without some modification of the router, but the 
> results are much better, in my opinion... the profile of the bit is exactly 
> what the cut will be when doing it this way... Joe B.
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:57:32 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Yes template work is where the revo holds its own
>
>  
>
&g

Re: Crank handle indexing

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Hey Mike... does this indexing method work only if the number is divisible 
by 4?... for example, in the last example you used, if the diameter was 5" 
instead of 4.75, the math doesn't fall on even numbers... 5 X 3.14 = 
15.7... 15.7 divided by .75 = 20.93... 20.93 divided by 4 = 5.23 pitch... I 
always thought the pitch is the pitch, whatever it might be, and would take 
importance over any other factor, like the width of cut... why would the 
pitch be determined by that 4 number?... now if you are making something of 
your own design, then certainly you have the option of making any pitch you 
want... but for certain designs, sometimes the pitch needs to be larger or 
smaller than what the formula dictates... I was always surprised why Legacy 
never had a better indexing method when doing spiraling work... the seemed 
to work out just about everything else very well on their design, but not 
indexing when doing spiral work... thanks for your input... Joe B.

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 12:37:17 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Defiantly a good thing to know I admit I should use that method more.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 June 2021 10:33 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Crank handle indexing
>
>  
>
> thanks Mike,
>
>  
>
> I will get this formula wrote down and laminated. 
>
> I do have all the plates too for my 1200 as I ordered them when 
>
> i first got going. But I know I need to learn this and get it stuck up in 
> the head. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 5:56 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)  
> wrote:
>
> Let's say we are doing 3/8 flutes with 3/8" space between them on a 4-3/4 
> round stock
>
> Either wrap a tape around and see what the circumference is or 4.75 x 3.14 
> (Pi)= 15" circumference.
>
> 3/8 flute + 3/8 space = 3/4 or .75 
>
> 15÷.75 = 20 flutes and spaces
>
> 20÷4=5" pitch
>
> Mike
> OK
>
> On 6/8/2021 3:26 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> I guess I still get lost on the pitch etc... How do you decide how many 
> flutes or reeds you need. Let me look at my sheet and see. I'm into 
> antiques this week So little distracted.v 
>
>  
>
> TZ
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021, 1:38 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)  
> wrote:
>
> Come on, it's not that hard...
>
> https://youtu.be/oHgzEKnON-o
>
> Crank handle indexing is absolutely the easiest way to reed and bead but 
> will only make a mess of roping.
>
> Very simple, how many beads do you need?  Lets say 24 all you have to do 
> now is divide by 4 teeth per inch (on the acme screw).  You will come up 
> with 6.  So now you set your Legacy up with a 6" pitch.  You will have to 
> turn the crank handle 24 times to get the carriage to move 6" if the split 
> nut was locked in, but since you are pushing the carriage by hand, the 
> crank handle will turn the stock 1/24th of a revolution every full crank.  
> All you have to do is crank once and make one cut, crank again and make 
> another cut etc. until you've made it all the way around.
>
> 20÷4=5" pitch
> 16÷4=4" pitch
> Hmmm what about a 36?  
> 36÷4=9" pitch 
> Okay 72
> Same as the 36 but just do 1/2 turns
>
> So you see, you have more options this way then you do from holes in your 
> plates.
>
> Mike
>
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Re: rose engine attachment/mod for a Legacy mill

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

if you need to get a "taste" as to what Holtzapffel turning equipment looks 
like and some sampling as to the type of work that can be done, here is a 
Facebook link... there are others, but they require you to send a request 
and then wait for approval... check it out, it is some remarkable stuff
Ornamental Turning | Facebook 


On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 3:54:50 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> so, to put a temporary hold on this for now, before the weekend kicks in, 
> is to offer an idea to the group... and let me begin by saying all 
> suggestions and/or improvements are welcome!... the idea is to set up a 
> different type of lead screw(a plain, smooth hex bar, for example) on the 
> backside of the Legacy... tie it into the Legacy lead screw on the front of 
> the machine(gears or chain, perhaps)... this could rotate a stack of 
> rosette wheels mounted behind the router, but also follow the linear motion 
> along the "x" axis and move with the router carriage... I wish I had the 
> computer skills to do one of those 3D sketches to show the workings of this 
> design... so what could happen here is the router could be doing a 
> "pumping" type of cutting action while it is following a spiral path 
> dictated by the Legacy gearing... and on a much larger, shaped(if desired) 
> workpiece... and it might be possible for the router to follow a template 
> while pumping but I haven't quite thought that one through just yet... hey, 
> if you are going to dream, dream BIG!... LOL!... have an enjoyable and safe 
> memorial weekend everybody!... Joe B.
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I will jump this conversation with a question to the CNC guys, and Tracy 
>> Smith, which is, how much of this decorative milling can realistically be 
>> done on a CNC?... without spending a lifetime programming a computer to do 
>> a series of complex cuts... and with the understanding that when doing this 
>> kind of decorative milling work on any particular item, perhaps a vase or 
>> urn for example, the process is somewhat to make it up as you go... a lot 
>> of the design work is an "on the fly" kind of thing... again, in my 
>> opinion... not so sure you can do an "on the fly" kind of job when using a 
>> computer... but I must admit, I know NOTHING about the CNC world... but I 
>> have had lengthy discussions with people who have CNC equipment... so, 
>> hopefully some of the CNC people can offer an opinion here(Tracy?)... 
>> thanks... Joe B.
>>
>> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:57:40 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> the limitation I always saw with a Holtzapffel was the fact that since 
>>> it was the headstock that was rocking, and not the tailstock, you are 
>>> limited as to the size of your workpiece... so to solve this you might 
>>> think to just set something up to rock the tailstock in unison with the 
>>> headstock... not easy to accomplish this... and we all know anything can be 
>>> done, but at what expense and labors?... and trying to replicate what a 
>>> Holtzapffel can do, on a Legacy machine, would be somewhat of a suicide 
>>> mission, in my opinion... but perhaps we can come close!, LOL!... so the 
>>> thing that a Legacy can offer that a Holtzapffel cannot, is the capability 
>>> to do a much larger workpiece... but to rock the headstock and tailstock on 
>>> a Legacy is a major engineering task, so I thought it would be easier to 
>>> rock the cutter instead... so the idea is to mount an array of rosettes 
>>> behind the router, on the router sled... whether it be the typical Legacy 
>>> router bed or perhaps the Legacy "Z" axis upgrade router mount... this 
>>> would not be too difficult, but the real challenge of this mod would be to 
>>> coordinate the rotation of the rosettes with the movement of the router 
>>> along the "X" axis... I'll discuss in a following comment
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:35:30 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>




















 a "rose engine lathe" can be a very complex topic and a lot of which i 
 do not understand myself... so explaining what I know(which is not 
 complete) is also a bit complicated... to put it into a general term, we 
 are going to step into the world of "Holtzapffel"... I would be willing to 
 bet that a lot of Legacy users/owners have heard of this person... 
 basically, Holtzapffel mad a lathe that you could say was/is a Legacy on 
 some serious steroids, LOL! it could do some incredible decorative 
 turnings, which were most often somewhat on the smaller size... these 
 machines were made in the 1800's and were so expensive, that they could 
 only be afforded be Kings and the ultra wealthy at that time... and it was 
 used by these people as somewhat of a hobby, doing a little bit of turning 
 and/or 

Re: rose engine attachment/mod for a Legacy mill

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

so, to put a temporary hold on this for now, before the weekend kicks in, 
is to offer an idea to the group... and let me begin by saying all 
suggestions and/or improvements are welcome!... the idea is to set up a 
different type of lead screw(a plain, smooth hex bar, for example) on the 
backside of the Legacy... tie it into the Legacy lead screw on the front of 
the machine(gears or chain, perhaps)... this could rotate a stack of 
rosette wheels mounted behind the router, but also follow the linear motion 
along the "x" axis and move with the router carriage... I wish I had the 
computer skills to do one of those 3D sketches to show the workings of this 
design... so what could happen here is the router could be doing a 
"pumping" type of cutting action while it is following a spiral path 
dictated by the Legacy gearing... and on a much larger, shaped(if desired) 
workpiece... and it might be possible for the router to follow a template 
while pumping but I haven't quite thought that one through just yet... hey, 
if you are going to dream, dream BIG!... LOL!... have an enjoyable and safe 
memorial weekend everybody!... Joe B.

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> I will jump this conversation with a question to the CNC guys, and Tracy 
> Smith, which is, how much of this decorative milling can realistically be 
> done on a CNC?... without spending a lifetime programming a computer to do 
> a series of complex cuts... and with the understanding that when doing this 
> kind of decorative milling work on any particular item, perhaps a vase or 
> urn for example, the process is somewhat to make it up as you go... a lot 
> of the design work is an "on the fly" kind of thing... again, in my 
> opinion... not so sure you can do an "on the fly" kind of job when using a 
> computer... but I must admit, I know NOTHING about the CNC world... but I 
> have had lengthy discussions with people who have CNC equipment... so, 
> hopefully some of the CNC people can offer an opinion here(Tracy?)... 
> thanks... Joe B.
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:57:40 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> the limitation I always saw with a Holtzapffel was the fact that since it 
>> was the headstock that was rocking, and not the tailstock, you are limited 
>> as to the size of your workpiece... so to solve this you might think to 
>> just set something up to rock the tailstock in unison with the headstock... 
>> not easy to accomplish this... and we all know anything can be done, but at 
>> what expense and labors?... and trying to replicate what a Holtzapffel can 
>> do, on a Legacy machine, would be somewhat of a suicide mission, in my 
>> opinion... but perhaps we can come close!, LOL!... so the thing that a 
>> Legacy can offer that a Holtzapffel cannot, is the capability to do a much 
>> larger workpiece... but to rock the headstock and tailstock on a Legacy is 
>> a major engineering task, so I thought it would be easier to rock the 
>> cutter instead... so the idea is to mount an array of rosettes behind the 
>> router, on the router sled... whether it be the typical Legacy router bed 
>> or perhaps the Legacy "Z" axis upgrade router mount... this would not be 
>> too difficult, but the real challenge of this mod would be to coordinate 
>> the rotation of the rosettes with the movement of the router along the "X" 
>> axis... I'll discuss in a following comment
>>
>> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:35:30 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> a "rose engine lathe" can be a very complex topic and a lot of which i 
>>> do not understand myself... so explaining what I know(which is not 
>>> complete) is also a bit complicated... to put it into a general term, we 
>>> are going to step into the world of "Holtzapffel"... I would be willing to 
>>> bet that a lot of Legacy users/owners have heard of this person... 
>>> basically, Holtzapffel mad a lathe that you could say was/is a Legacy on 
>>> some serious steroids, LOL! it could do some incredible decorative 
>>> turnings, which were most often somewhat on the smaller size... these 
>>> machines were made in the 1800's and were so expensive, that they could 
>>> only be afforded be Kings and the ultra wealthy at that time... and it was 
>>> used by these people as somewhat of a hobby, doing a little bit of turning 
>>> and/or milling at a time... think of a stamp collector, for example... not 
>>> many were made and the machines that are available today can easily be 
>>> worth six figures, depending on the model and what accessories it had with 
>>> it... one of the things it could do is a type of "pumping" action that was 
>>> achieved by rocking the headstock in and out while a spinning, stationary 
>>> cutter cut into the workpiece... quite often the workpiece was a 
>>> substantial piece of ivory... this pumping action was achieved by a type of 
>>> bearing rubbin

Re: rose engine attachment/mod for a Legacy mill

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

I will jump this conversation with a question to the CNC guys, and Tracy 
Smith, which is, how much of this decorative milling can realistically be 
done on a CNC?... without spending a lifetime programming a computer to do 
a series of complex cuts... and with the understanding that when doing this 
kind of decorative milling work on any particular item, perhaps a vase or 
urn for example, the process is somewhat to make it up as you go... a lot 
of the design work is an "on the fly" kind of thing... again, in my 
opinion... not so sure you can do an "on the fly" kind of job when using a 
computer... but I must admit, I know NOTHING about the CNC world... but I 
have had lengthy discussions with people who have CNC equipment... so, 
hopefully some of the CNC people can offer an opinion here(Tracy?)... 
thanks... Joe B.

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:57:40 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> the limitation I always saw with a Holtzapffel was the fact that since it 
> was the headstock that was rocking, and not the tailstock, you are limited 
> as to the size of your workpiece... so to solve this you might think to 
> just set something up to rock the tailstock in unison with the headstock... 
> not easy to accomplish this... and we all know anything can be done, but at 
> what expense and labors?... and trying to replicate what a Holtzapffel can 
> do, on a Legacy machine, would be somewhat of a suicide mission, in my 
> opinion... but perhaps we can come close!, LOL!... so the thing that a 
> Legacy can offer that a Holtzapffel cannot, is the capability to do a much 
> larger workpiece... but to rock the headstock and tailstock on a Legacy is 
> a major engineering task, so I thought it would be easier to rock the 
> cutter instead... so the idea is to mount an array of rosettes behind the 
> router, on the router sled... whether it be the typical Legacy router bed 
> or perhaps the Legacy "Z" axis upgrade router mount... this would not be 
> too difficult, but the real challenge of this mod would be to coordinate 
> the rotation of the rosettes with the movement of the router along the "X" 
> axis... I'll discuss in a following comment
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:35:30 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> a "rose engine lathe" can be a very complex topic and a lot of which i do 
>> not understand myself... so explaining what I know(which is not complete) 
>> is also a bit complicated... to put it into a general term, we are going to 
>> step into the world of "Holtzapffel"... I would be willing to bet that a 
>> lot of Legacy users/owners have heard of this person... basically, 
>> Holtzapffel mad a lathe that you could say was/is a Legacy on some serious 
>> steroids, LOL! it could do some incredible decorative turnings, which 
>> were most often somewhat on the smaller size... these machines were made in 
>> the 1800's and were so expensive, that they could only be afforded be Kings 
>> and the ultra wealthy at that time... and it was used by these people as 
>> somewhat of a hobby, doing a little bit of turning and/or milling at a 
>> time... think of a stamp collector, for example... not many were made and 
>> the machines that are available today can easily be worth six figures, 
>> depending on the model and what accessories it had with it... one of the 
>> things it could do is a type of "pumping" action that was achieved by 
>> rocking the headstock in and out while a spinning, stationary cutter cut 
>> into the workpiece... quite often the workpiece was a substantial piece of 
>> ivory... this pumping action was achieved by a type of bearing rubbing 
>> against a wheel that had shaped "waves" or "scallops" cut into its edge... 
>> thus the term "rose"... there would be multiple wheels, each with a 
>> different "wave", mounted into the lathe head stock that the machine 
>> operator could choose from... and as far as the Holtzapffel machine this is 
>> the tip of the iceberg... there were all kinds of attachments to choose 
>> from that could do all kinds of different milling operations... if you 
>> think the options on a Legacy are endless, the options on a Holtzapffel go 
>> far beyond that... attached in this post is a photo of an array of rosette 
>> wheels in a head stock... now, how can this be incorporated into a Legacy? 
>> I will hope to explain my version in a comment to follow, which will be 
>> attached to this topic(attention Mac!)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: rose engine wave wheels.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: rose engine attachment/mod for a Legacy mill

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the limitation I always saw with a Holtzapffel was the fact that since it 
was the headstock that was rocking, and not the tailstock, you are limited 
as to the size of your workpiece... so to solve this you might think to 
just set something up to rock the tailstock in unison with the headstock... 
not easy to accomplish this... and we all know anything can be done, but at 
what expense and labors?... and trying to replicate what a Holtzapffel can 
do, on a Legacy machine, would be somewhat of a suicide mission, in my 
opinion... but perhaps we can come close!, LOL!... so the thing that a 
Legacy can offer that a Holtzapffel cannot, is the capability to do a much 
larger workpiece... but to rock the headstock and tailstock on a Legacy is 
a major engineering task, so I thought it would be easier to rock the 
cutter instead... so the idea is to mount an array of rosettes behind the 
router, on the router sled... whether it be the typical Legacy router bed 
or perhaps the Legacy "Z" axis upgrade router mount... this would not be 
too difficult, but the real challenge of this mod would be to coordinate 
the rotation of the rosettes with the movement of the router along the "X" 
axis... I'll discuss in a following comment

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:35:30 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> a "rose engine lathe" can be a very complex topic and a lot of which i do 
> not understand myself... so explaining what I know(which is not complete) 
> is also a bit complicated... to put it into a general term, we are going to 
> step into the world of "Holtzapffel"... I would be willing to bet that a 
> lot of Legacy users/owners have heard of this person... basically, 
> Holtzapffel mad a lathe that you could say was/is a Legacy on some serious 
> steroids, LOL! it could do some incredible decorative turnings, which 
> were most often somewhat on the smaller size... these machines were made in 
> the 1800's and were so expensive, that they could only be afforded be Kings 
> and the ultra wealthy at that time... and it was used by these people as 
> somewhat of a hobby, doing a little bit of turning and/or milling at a 
> time... think of a stamp collector, for example... not many were made and 
> the machines that are available today can easily be worth six figures, 
> depending on the model and what accessories it had with it... one of the 
> things it could do is a type of "pumping" action that was achieved by 
> rocking the headstock in and out while a spinning, stationary cutter cut 
> into the workpiece... quite often the workpiece was a substantial piece of 
> ivory... this pumping action was achieved by a type of bearing rubbing 
> against a wheel that had shaped "waves" or "scallops" cut into its edge... 
> thus the term "rose"... there would be multiple wheels, each with a 
> different "wave", mounted into the lathe head stock that the machine 
> operator could choose from... and as far as the Holtzapffel machine this is 
> the tip of the iceberg... there were all kinds of attachments to choose 
> from that could do all kinds of different milling operations... if you 
> think the options on a Legacy are endless, the options on a Holtzapffel go 
> far beyond that... attached in this post is a photo of an array of rosette 
> wheels in a head stock... now, how can this be incorporated into a Legacy? 
> I will hope to explain my version in a comment to follow, which will be 
> attached to this topic(attention Mac!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: rose engine wave wheels.jpg]
>

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rose engine attachment/mod for a Legacy mill

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

a "rose engine lathe" can be a very complex topic and a lot of which i do 
not understand myself... so explaining what I know(which is not complete) 
is also a bit complicated... to put it into a general term, we are going to 
step into the world of "Holtzapffel"... I would be willing to bet that a 
lot of Legacy users/owners have heard of this person... basically, 
Holtzapffel mad a lathe that you could say was/is a Legacy on some serious 
steroids, LOL! it could do some incredible decorative turnings, which 
were most often somewhat on the smaller size... these machines were made in 
the 1800's and were so expensive, that they could only be afforded be Kings 
and the ultra wealthy at that time... and it was used by these people as 
somewhat of a hobby, doing a little bit of turning and/or milling at a 
time... think of a stamp collector, for example... not many were made and 
the machines that are available today can easily be worth six figures, 
depending on the model and what accessories it had with it... one of the 
things it could do is a type of "pumping" action that was achieved by 
rocking the headstock in and out while a spinning, stationary cutter cut 
into the workpiece... quite often the workpiece was a substantial piece of 
ivory... this pumping action was achieved by a type of bearing rubbing 
against a wheel that had shaped "waves" or "scallops" cut into its edge... 
thus the term "rose"... there would be multiple wheels, each with a 
different "wave", mounted into the lathe head stock that the machine 
operator could choose from... and as far as the Holtzapffel machine this is 
the tip of the iceberg... there were all kinds of attachments to choose 
from that could do all kinds of different milling operations... if you 
think the options on a Legacy are endless, the options on a Holtzapffel go 
far beyond that... attached in this post is a photo of an array of rosette 
wheels in a head stock... now, how can this be incorporated into a Legacy? 
I will hope to explain my version in a comment to follow, which will be 
attached to this topic(attention Mac!)













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Re: new member

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

from my wife too lol. But it's 
>>> all good. Your in Mike Pung country. He's from Oklahoma too. He is the 
>>> WoodChuck guru. Which is the predicessor to the LOM' s
>>>
>>> Keep posting work
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 27, 2021, 1:29 PM Darkdragon  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Mac. I'm in NE Oklahoma.  I'll attach a pic of the latest pen I 
>>> turned and ornamental turned and hand carved, I tend to go overboard when I 
>>> have an idea, just ask my husband. Haha.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:12 PM M.W.Foscue  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Lisa,
>>>
>>> Like others have already said - Welcome.
>>>
>>> Just in case there are Group members within a reasonable "link up" 
>>> distance - where do you live?
>>>
>>> No need for address - closest town/city should be good enough.
>>>
>>> Sounds like you are an "ace" pen turner.  Now, with your new Mill, you 
>>> will be able to make one for the Jolly Green Giant!
>>>
>>> Have a respectful & SAFE Memorial Day Weekend.
>>>
>>> Mac
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Original Message- 
>>> From: Darkdragon 
>>> Sent: May 27, 2021 12:21 PM 
>>> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: new member 
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone!  I already know I'll be addicted to it, I did one 
>>> project on my Pen Wizard and loved the result so much that when the LOM 
>>> popped up for sale, which I had never heard of before, I said "that looks 
>>> like a gigantic version of my pen wizard. i must have it!".  So here I am 
>>> :)   I will be trying to figure out what is there/missing/needed in the 
>>> next week or so and start a thread about what do I have and what do I 
>>> need.  It's all very exciting. Thank you all for the warm welcome, I can 
>>> see there's unending knowledge on these machines here.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Lisa
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 5:49 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>>
>>> Welcome Lisa,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Soon you'll be like the rest of us. Cant get enough of the Legacy. lol
>>>
>>> Enjoy and like I said welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 10:58 PM Lisa  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I was one of those new members waiting to join. I just got my mill from 
>>> a local woodworker that needed to clear the space for something else.  I am 
>>> super excited to learn how to use this beast, but one little issue is that 
>>> it came with VHS tape and I have no way to play those anymore.  Is there 
>>> somewhere to get a DVD of all the instructional videos? I did some 
>>> searching but didn't find what I was after, just some promo videos from 
>>> long ago.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Attaching a photo of my new-to-me setup.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:03:47 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Joe.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> No problems... ;-)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> How are you doing? Its been a while since we last heard form you. I hope 
>>> all is well?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hope to hear form you more soon. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 08:59:31 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy 
>>> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Curt, I never implied that you were sent the request directly... I did 
>>> not know you were an administrator of this group... thanks for following up 
>>> on this, as I see that Robert has now posted his problem and is officially 
>>> a member of the group... hopefully we will hear good things from him... and 
>>> thanks for the work of administrating the groups page... it's all good 
>>> stuff here... regards... Joe Biunno
>>

Re: Legacy adjustable glide system

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

hey Mac... why do all of your responses and comments start a "new 
conversation"?... is there some sort of contest I am not aware of?

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 2:38:11 PM UTC-4 Va Oak wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Can you explain?  It seemed to move so smoothly - as if it were on ball 
> bearings.  
> If anyone has a close-up of what it looked like, someone may be able to 
> figure out how it was made - modifying the design to, hopefully, get one 
> that works and can replace the black top hats.
> Thanks.
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
> Sent: May 27, 2021 12:11 PM 
> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Legacy adjustable glide system 
>
> I hate to burst your bubble those ball bearing glides have no ball 
> bearings its just a slide used in conjunction with the already existing top 
> hats to try and minimise movement in the saddle
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 11:27 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy adjustable glide system
>
>  
>
> my interest in this is to see if this is an easy, inexpensive way for all 
> those people who have the older, aluminum rail Legacy machines to add a 
> ball bearing glide to their X and Y axis'... it's too late for me, as I 
> have already retrofitted all three axis' on my machine with a different 
> system, but I still find it interesting how Legacy solved this issue so 
> easily and what seems to be so efficiently... their engineering into their 
> earlier machines is impressive, in my opinion... regards... Joe B.
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:58:01 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
> Hey Joe.
>
> that adjustable glide system sorta fell away shortly after this video was 
> made. Legacy went with linear rail shortly after...  I also know the R&P 
> idea also had a few problems of gears striping out , and the hole R&P idea 
> was latter replaced with what Legacy uses today.
>
> I'm not putting Legacy down, The CNC world is a very fast past, and 
> growing field. Legacy has had a number of different methods and machines 
> made in order to keep up (and some would say, Pass or Proceed) what you can 
> find on the market today. (its all a matter of your prospective.)
>
> As far as what Legacy has for parts? My guess is Yes, but *I would call 
> Legacy to make sure*. 
>
> My Reasoning is twofold. 
>
> One. They (Legacy) are making most of there machines and part in shop on 
> there laser's them self's. 
>
> Two. Legacy has always stated that they would replace any wearable parts 
> form there machine that they made.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 08:32:59 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> in viewing the Legacy video that Bill posted(thanks Bill!), it seems 
> Legacy had what they called an "adjustable glide", which I interpret as a 
> linear ball bearing rail glide... I don't remember ever hearing about this 
> when the group's discussions revolved around linear glides for the 
> Legacy... seems Legacy came up with a neat, compact, ball bearing glide 
> that easily adapts to the current Legacy router carriages(either the simple 
> carriage or the "Z" axis upgrade tower)
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) does anyone in this group have one of these glides that they could take 
> detailed  photos of and post them to this 
> discussion?
>
> 2) was this a custom piece made by Legacy?(I would guess it was, but just 
> putting that   question out there)
>
> 3) what are the chances that Legacy has any of these "leftover" in their 
> stock and would  they be willing to sell them?
>
> 4) if no longer available, how difficult would it be to reproduce?... 
> perhaps using a 3D  printer?
>
> it could eliminate the need for those black top hats, less wear on 
> the acme lead screws and split nuts... and as mentioned in the video, it 
> can reduce backlash... anyone out in Legacy Land care to chime in on 
> this?... thanks... Joe B.
> b visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/003101d75312%24f36f3fb0%24da4dbf10%24%40mmnet.com.au
>  
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/003101d75312%24f36f3fb0%24da4dbf10%24%40mmnet.com.au?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
> .
>
>

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Re: Legacy adjustable glide system

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Bill, I found the video on you tube... seems you are correct... I 
previously thought I heard Tracy say "ball bearing" but I was wrong... too 
bad... was/is an interesting concept

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 12:44:02 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> Bill, could you please provide the link again showing the rack and pinion 
> video demonstration with Tracy... my computer seems to have eaten it and I 
> cannot retrieve it... thanks... Joe
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 12:11:35 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> I hate to burst your bubble those ball bearing glides have no ball 
>> bearings its just a slide used in conjunction with the already existing top 
>> hats to try and minimise movement in the saddle
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 11:27 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: Legacy adjustable glide system
>>
>>  
>>
>> my interest in this is to see if this is an easy, inexpensive way for all 
>> those people who have the older, aluminum rail Legacy machines to add a 
>> ball bearing glide to their X and Y axis'... it's too late for me, as I 
>> have already retrofitted all three axis' on my machine with a different 
>> system, but I still find it interesting how Legacy solved this issue so 
>> easily and what seems to be so efficiently... their engineering into their 
>> earlier machines is impressive, in my opinion... regards... Joe B.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:58:01 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>
>> Hey Joe.
>>
>> that adjustable glide system sorta fell away shortly after this video was 
>> made. Legacy went with linear rail shortly after...  I also know the R&P 
>> idea also had a few problems of gears striping out , and the hole R&P idea 
>> was latter replaced with what Legacy uses today.
>>
>> I'm not putting Legacy down, The CNC world is a very fast past, and 
>> growing field. Legacy has had a number of different methods and machines 
>> made in order to keep up (and some would say, Pass or Proceed) what you can 
>> find on the market today. (its all a matter of your prospective.)
>>
>> As far as what Legacy has for parts? My guess is Yes, but *I would call 
>> Legacy to make sure*. 
>>
>> My Reasoning is twofold. 
>>
>> One. They (Legacy) are making most of there machines and part in shop on 
>> there laser's them self's. 
>>
>> Two. Legacy has always stated that they would replace any wearable parts 
>> form there machine that they made.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 08:32:59 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> in viewing the Legacy video that Bill posted(thanks Bill!), it seems 
>> Legacy had what they called an "adjustable glide", which I interpret as a 
>> linear ball bearing rail glide... I don't remember ever hearing about this 
>> when the group's discussions revolved around linear glides for the 
>> Legacy... seems Legacy came up with a neat, compact, ball bearing glide 
>> that easily adapts to the current Legacy router carriages(either the simple 
>> carriage or the "Z" axis upgrade tower)
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1) does anyone in this group have one of these glides that they could 
>> take detailed  photos of and post them to this 
>> discussion?
>>
>> 2) was this a custom piece made by Legacy?(I would guess it was, but just 
>> putting that   question out there)
>>
>> 3) what are the chances that Legacy has any of these "leftover" in their 
>> stock and would  they be willing to sell them?
>>
>> 4) if no longer available, how difficult would it be to reproduce?... 
>> perhaps using a 3D  printer?
>>
>> it could eliminate the need for those black top hats, less wear 
>> on the acme lead screws and split nuts... and as mentioned in the video, it 
>> can reduce backlash... anyone out in Legacy Land care to chime in on 
>> this?... thanks... Joe B.
>>
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Re: Legacy adjustable glide system

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Bill, could you please provide the link again showing the rack and pinion 
video demonstration with Tracy... my computer seems to have eaten it and I 
cannot retrieve it... thanks... Joe

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 12:11:35 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> I hate to burst your bubble those ball bearing glides have no ball 
> bearings its just a slide used in conjunction with the already existing top 
> hats to try and minimise movement in the saddle
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 11:27 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy adjustable glide system
>
>  
>
> my interest in this is to see if this is an easy, inexpensive way for all 
> those people who have the older, aluminum rail Legacy machines to add a 
> ball bearing glide to their X and Y axis'... it's too late for me, as I 
> have already retrofitted all three axis' on my machine with a different 
> system, but I still find it interesting how Legacy solved this issue so 
> easily and what seems to be so efficiently... their engineering into their 
> earlier machines is impressive, in my opinion... regards... Joe B.
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:58:01 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
> Hey Joe.
>
> that adjustable glide system sorta fell away shortly after this video was 
> made. Legacy went with linear rail shortly after...  I also know the R&P 
> idea also had a few problems of gears striping out , and the hole R&P idea 
> was latter replaced with what Legacy uses today.
>
> I'm not putting Legacy down, The CNC world is a very fast past, and 
> growing field. Legacy has had a number of different methods and machines 
> made in order to keep up (and some would say, Pass or Proceed) what you can 
> find on the market today. (its all a matter of your prospective.)
>
> As far as what Legacy has for parts? My guess is Yes, but *I would call 
> Legacy to make sure*. 
>
> My Reasoning is twofold. 
>
> One. They (Legacy) are making most of there machines and part in shop on 
> there laser's them self's. 
>
> Two. Legacy has always stated that they would replace any wearable parts 
> form there machine that they made.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 08:32:59 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> in viewing the Legacy video that Bill posted(thanks Bill!), it seems 
> Legacy had what they called an "adjustable glide", which I interpret as a 
> linear ball bearing rail glide... I don't remember ever hearing about this 
> when the group's discussions revolved around linear glides for the 
> Legacy... seems Legacy came up with a neat, compact, ball bearing glide 
> that easily adapts to the current Legacy router carriages(either the simple 
> carriage or the "Z" axis upgrade tower)
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) does anyone in this group have one of these glides that they could take 
> detailed  photos of and post them to this 
> discussion?
>
> 2) was this a custom piece made by Legacy?(I would guess it was, but just 
> putting that   question out there)
>
> 3) what are the chances that Legacy has any of these "leftover" in their 
> stock and would  they be willing to sell them?
>
> 4) if no longer available, how difficult would it be to reproduce?... 
> perhaps using a 3D  printer?
>
> it could eliminate the need for those black top hats, less wear on 
> the acme lead screws and split nuts... and as mentioned in the video, it 
> can reduce backlash... anyone out in Legacy Land care to chime in on 
> this?... thanks... Joe B.
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Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

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rd time imagining someone else going through the same 
> process.
>
>  
>
> In no way am I trying to disparage someone from buying this awesome 
> looking machine. I have just seen so many of these machines and there is 
> often something missing. I just love the machines and usually have the 
> parts to fill in the gaps. Well I used to have all the parts :).
>
>  
>
> I found a brand new 1800 last year in an estate sale. The owner got it 
> from her father and had no idea what to do with it or interest in it. She 
> was asking $2000 for it. I looked it over. It was missing a few small, but 
> key parts, and was not put together properly. I told her about the machine 
> and that my interest was only in some of the accessories. In the end, I 
> bought it for $500, spent hours putting it together properly, replaced some 
> of the missing parts and then sold it for $1000. Not a business for me, but 
> I got a good deal, the person who bought it got a good deal and I, 
> hopefully, helped someone get a good start with one of these mills.
>
>  
>
> Anyway, something to consider.   
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:24 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental 
> Mills  wrote:
>
> to Tom Weaver... Tom, does your CNC have the rack-and-pinion version of 
> the CNC upgrade?... or do you have the stepper motors connected to the acme 
> 5/8-4 threaded rods?... if it is the rack-and-pinion version, could you 
> please post some photos of it... I have never seen the r and p setup on a 
> machine... thanks... Joe B.
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:19:00 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Bill... I would think that the more common gear sets are there... for my 
> estimating purposes, and for what I see all that is there, I would think 
> the original owner purchased all of the gear sets... of course it needs to 
> be verified... and if it is found that they are not there, than a price 
> adjustment is in order... but from the photos that I have seen, this 
> original user ran through the catalog and purchased everything Legacy had 
> to offer at the time... it is my understanding that there are more boxes 
> the seller has to go through... so I am making some assumptions here... 
> lets see where this goes... here are photos of those extra long router 
> bits... its all good stuff here... part of what is interesting is 
> everyone's opinions... Joe B.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  router bits[image: legacy for sale bob 14.jpg][image: legacy for sale 
> bob 15.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> I just put out a price I thought was about right too much higher and a 
> sale might be a longer time coming 
>
> Lower and the seller would be giving the mill away it’s a starting 
> estimate I didn’t see any horizontal or vertical vices or any .25 or 2x 
> gears and other accessories apart from the rotary table, the 4x gears are 
> good but they don’t cover all the smaller pitches. remembering what other 
> mills I see for sale I thought it was a fair price what do you think is a 
> better price? As with all things for sale it all depends on how bad the 
> seller  wants a sale verses how bad a buyer wants the item. Just because 
> new it all cost a fortune doesn’t mean you will get a fortune when you sell 
> it this is all just my opinion im interested on what every one else’s is.
>
>  
>
> Bill 
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 10:10 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>
>  
>
> Hey Bill!... I might think it will be more than the $3,500 you are 
> estimating... spoke to the seller and he mentioned that there are at least 
> 12 of those 6" long Magnate bits that are made specifically for the Legacy 
> machine and they are basically in brand new condition I just bought two 
> of those(fluting, 1/2" diameter flute) from Magnate and they were $50 
> each!... and there are still boxes that the seller is going through... so 
> it will be interesting to see where this all settles into... but the big 
> key is who is willing to travel to that part of the country to seal the 
> deal... as mentioned, there is no parting out of this stuff and there will 
> be no crating/packing/shipping of this entire lot of stuff... the seller is 
> seeing all of these comments now, and will soon be commenting himself once 
> he is approved into the group, so everyone can then have contact with him 
> directly... good luck to all and the seller as well... Joe B.
>
> On Wedne

Re: Legacy adjustable glide system

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my interest in this is to see if this is an easy, inexpensive way for all 
those people who have the older, aluminum rail Legacy machines to add a 
ball bearing glide to their X and Y axis'... it's too late for me, as I 
have already retrofitted all three axis' on my machine with a different 
system, but I still find it interesting how Legacy solved this issue so 
easily and what seems to be so efficiently... their engineering into their 
earlier machines is impressive, in my opinion... regards... Joe B.

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:58:01 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hey Joe.
> that adjustable glide system sorta fell away shortly after this video was 
> made. Legacy went with linear rail shortly after...  I also know the R&P 
> idea also had a few problems of gears striping out , and the hole R&P idea 
> was latter replaced with what Legacy uses today.
> I'm not putting Legacy down, The CNC world is a very fast past, and 
> growing field. Legacy has had a number of different methods and machines 
> made in order to keep up (and some would say, Pass or Proceed) what you can 
> find on the market today. (its all a matter of your prospective.)
> As far as what Legacy has for parts? My guess is Yes, but *I would call 
> Legacy to make sure*. 
> My Reasoning is twofold. 
> One. They (Legacy) are making most of there machines and part in shop on 
> there laser's them self's. 
> Two. Legacy has always stated that they would replace any wearable parts 
> form there machine that they made.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 08:32:59 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>
> in viewing the Legacy video that Bill posted(thanks Bill!), it seems 
> Legacy had what they called an "adjustable glide", which I interpret as a 
> linear ball bearing rail glide... I don't remember ever hearing about this 
> when the group's discussions revolved around linear glides for the 
> Legacy... seems Legacy came up with a neat, compact, ball bearing glide 
> that easily adapts to the current Legacy router carriages(either the simple 
> carriage or the "Z" axis upgrade tower)
> Questions:
> 1) does anyone in this group have one of these glides that they could take 
> detailed  photos of and post them to this 
> discussion?
> 2) was this a custom piece made by Legacy?(I would guess it was, but just 
> putting that   question out there)
> 3) what are the chances that Legacy has any of these "leftover" in their 
> stock and would  they be willing to sell them?
> 4) if no longer available, how difficult would it be to reproduce?... 
> perhaps using a 3D  printer?
> it could eliminate the need for those black top hats, less wear on 
> the acme lead screws and split nuts... and as mentioned in the video, it 
> can reduce backlash... anyone out in Legacy Land care to chime in on 
> this?... thanks... Joe B.
>
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Legacy adjustable glide system

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in viewing the Legacy video that Bill posted(thanks Bill!), it seems Legacy 
had what they called an "adjustable glide", which I interpret as a linear 
ball bearing rail glide... I don't remember ever hearing about this when 
the group's discussions revolved around linear glides for the Legacy... 
seems Legacy came up with a neat, compact, ball bearing glide that easily 
adapts to the current Legacy router carriages(either the simple carriage or 
the "Z" axis upgrade tower)
Questions:
1) does anyone in this group have one of these glides that they could take 
detailed  photos of and post them to this 
discussion?
2) was this a custom piece made by Legacy?(I would guess it was, but just 
putting that   question out there)
3) what are the chances that Legacy has any of these "leftover" in their 
stock and would  they be willing to sell them?
4) if no longer available, how difficult would it be to reproduce?... 
perhaps using a 3D  printer?
it could eliminate the need for those black top hats, less wear on 
the acme lead screws and split nuts... and as mentioned in the video, it 
can reduce backlash... anyone out in Legacy Land care to chime in on 
this?... thanks... Joe B.

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Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

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Bill... thanks for posting the video of the rack-and-pinion... big 
difference from using the acme lead screw to move the X and Y axis'... 
regards... Joe B.

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 6:47:49 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Welcome Bobby!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 10:58 PM Robert Coates  
> wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon yall i am bobby im the one with the machine.   i would 
>> like to sell it as a package because i just have to much stuff in a 2 car 
>> garage. and 4 more years in the military moving is not going to be fun. and 
>> im ned to this google groups thing so sorry for the delay.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 12:53:29 PM UTC-7 cole wrote:
>>
>>> And we thank you , that’s how community like this grows
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:13 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are so right curt lol but I believe it’s a package deal that’s why 
>>>> I didn’t jump already at the motor and controller and probably the Z axis 
>>>> some one else can have the 4x gears I already have 1 and a half sets of 
>>>> those
>>>>
>>>> As package if I had the money I would buy it all and sell all the bits 
>>>> to all you guys but alas I am a poor man so.. someone will get it all in 
>>>> one big buy
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 12:18 AM
>>>> *To:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> "HOLEY COW"!
>>>>
>>>> What kind of prices are you/he looking to get?
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Before Bill ask, (I think everyone know.) Bill have been looking for a 
>>>> motor and limit switches. If you are parting this out I know he will be 
>>>> wanting those. (6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls 
>>>> and limit switches)
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Why would anyone want a CNC up-grade and the X4 gear sets???  (That's 
>>>> Crazy!)
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Please let US (the group) Know how you/he will want to sell this. Via. 
>>>> parting each line listed or as a package.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> It is a Very nice Machine, To bad YOUR friend dose not want to learn 
>>>> how to use what he has. His machine is a once in a life time find.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Before things get hot and heavy on people asking for things, I will 
>>>> offer $1.00 for the set. (Or old school, One Buck! perhaps a buck and a 
>>>> half, but I keep the antlers.)  ;-p
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> C.A.G.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 09:16:31 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via 
>>>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> some are asking for a more specific location of this piece... without 
>>>> putting you vultures(LOL!) on a direct path, Ill say southeast california, 
>>>> near the Mexico border... if you are willing to travel to get this unique 
>>>> machine and accessories, that should help you out for now... pictures 
>>>> being 
>>>> posted in a few minutes... Joe B.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:51:12 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Pictures tomorrow and it is a package deal 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS 
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>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 6:58 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>>>> bulk..

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

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to Tom Weaver... Tom, does your CNC have the rack-and-pinion version of the 
CNC upgrade?... or do you have the stepper motors connected to the acme 
5/8-4 threaded rods?... if it is the rack-and-pinion version, could you 
please post some photos of it... I have never seen the r and p setup on a 
machine... thanks... Joe B.

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:19:00 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> Bill... I would think that the more common gear sets are there... for my 
> estimating purposes, and for what I see all that is there, I would think 
> the original owner purchased all of the gear sets... of course it needs to 
> be verified... and if it is found that they are not there, than a price 
> adjustment is in order... but from the photos that I have seen, this 
> original user ran through the catalog and purchased everything Legacy had 
> to offer at the time... it is my understanding that there are more boxes 
> the seller has to go through... so I am making some assumptions here... 
> lets see where this goes... here are photos of those extra long router 
> bits... its all good stuff here... part of what is interesting is 
> everyone's opinions... Joe B.
>
>
>  router bits[image: legacy for sale bob 14.jpg][image: legacy for sale 
> bob 15.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> I just put out a price I thought was about right too much higher and a 
>> sale might be a longer time coming 
>>
>> Lower and the seller would be giving the mill away it’s a starting 
>> estimate I didn’t see any horizontal or vertical vices or any .25 or 2x 
>> gears and other accessories apart from the rotary table, the 4x gears are 
>> good but they don’t cover all the smaller pitches. remembering what other 
>> mills I see for sale I thought it was a fair price what do you think is a 
>> better price? As with all things for sale it all depends on how bad the 
>> seller  wants a sale verses how bad a buyer wants the item. Just because 
>> new it all cost a fortune doesn’t mean you will get a fortune when you sell 
>> it this is all just my opinion im interested on what every one else’s is.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill 
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 10:10 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Bill!... I might think it will be more than the $3,500 you are 
>> estimating... spoke to the seller and he mentioned that there are at least 
>> 12 of those 6" long Magnate bits that are made specifically for the Legacy 
>> machine and they are basically in brand new condition I just bought two 
>> of those(fluting, 1/2" diameter flute) from Magnate and they were $50 
>> each!... and there are still boxes that the seller is going through... so 
>> it will be interesting to see where this all settles into... but the big 
>> key is who is willing to travel to that part of the country to seal the 
>> deal... as mentioned, there is no parting out of this stuff and there will 
>> be no crating/packing/shipping of this entire lot of stuff... the seller is 
>> seeing all of these comments now, and will soon be commenting himself once 
>> he is approved into the group, so everyone can then have contact with him 
>> directly... good luck to all and the seller as well... Joe B.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:47:35 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Anybody come up with a price yet I’m guessing around 3 ½ K as a package 
>> deal what do you all think or am I way off 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:15 AM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>
>>  
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Do you know the version of the CNC upgrade? It was either Standard or 
>> Performance.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:13 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental 
>> Mills  wrote:
>>
>> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently 
>> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know 
>> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to 
>> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>>
>> 1) CNC legacy upgrade 

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

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Bill... I would think that the more common gear sets are there... for my 
estimating purposes, and for what I see all that is there, I would think 
the original owner purchased all of the gear sets... of course it needs to 
be verified... and if it is found that they are not there, than a price 
adjustment is in order... but from the photos that I have seen, this 
original user ran through the catalog and purchased everything Legacy had 
to offer at the time... it is my understanding that there are more boxes 
the seller has to go through... so I am making some assumptions here... 
lets see where this goes... here are photos of those extra long router 
bits... its all good stuff here... part of what is interesting is 
everyone's opinions... Joe B.


 router bits[image: legacy for sale bob 14.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 
15.jpg]

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> I just put out a price I thought was about right too much higher and a 
> sale might be a longer time coming 
>
> Lower and the seller would be giving the mill away it’s a starting 
> estimate I didn’t see any horizontal or vertical vices or any .25 or 2x 
> gears and other accessories apart from the rotary table, the 4x gears are 
> good but they don’t cover all the smaller pitches. remembering what other 
> mills I see for sale I thought it was a fair price what do you think is a 
> better price? As with all things for sale it all depends on how bad the 
> seller  wants a sale verses how bad a buyer wants the item. Just because 
> new it all cost a fortune doesn’t mean you will get a fortune when you sell 
> it this is all just my opinion im interested on what every one else’s is.
>
>  
>
> Bill 
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 10:10 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>
>  
>
> Hey Bill!... I might think it will be more than the $3,500 you are 
> estimating... spoke to the seller and he mentioned that there are at least 
> 12 of those 6" long Magnate bits that are made specifically for the Legacy 
> machine and they are basically in brand new condition I just bought two 
> of those(fluting, 1/2" diameter flute) from Magnate and they were $50 
> each!... and there are still boxes that the seller is going through... so 
> it will be interesting to see where this all settles into... but the big 
> key is who is willing to travel to that part of the country to seal the 
> deal... as mentioned, there is no parting out of this stuff and there will 
> be no crating/packing/shipping of this entire lot of stuff... the seller is 
> seeing all of these comments now, and will soon be commenting himself once 
> he is approved into the group, so everyone can then have contact with him 
> directly... good luck to all and the seller as well... Joe B.
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:47:35 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Anybody come up with a price yet I’m guessing around 3 ½ K as a package 
> deal what do you all think or am I way off 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:15 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>
>  
>
> Joe,
>
>  
>
> Do you know the version of the CNC upgrade? It was either Standard or 
> Performance.
>
>  
>
> Tracy
>
>  
>
> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:13 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental 
> Mills  wrote:
>
> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently 
> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know 
> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to 
> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>
> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never 
> installed... with the software CDs!
>
> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the 
> installation sheet
>
> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
>
> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
>
> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
>
> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches
>
> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it
>
> 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine
>
> 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the 
> inventory
>
>  
>
> I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... 
> LOL!... general location is the southwest Unite

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

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Hey Bill!... I might think it will be more than the $3,500 you are 
estimating... spoke to the seller and he mentioned that there are at least 
12 of those 6" long Magnate bits that are made specifically for the Legacy 
machine and they are basically in brand new condition I just bought two 
of those(fluting, 1/2" diameter flute) from Magnate and they were $50 
each!... and there are still boxes that the seller is going through... so 
it will be interesting to see where this all settles into... but the big 
key is who is willing to travel to that part of the country to seal the 
deal... as mentioned, there is no parting out of this stuff and there will 
be no crating/packing/shipping of this entire lot of stuff... the seller is 
seeing all of these comments now, and will soon be commenting himself once 
he is approved into the group, so everyone can then have contact with him 
directly... good luck to all and the seller as well... Joe B.

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:47:35 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Anybody come up with a price yet I’m guessing around 3 ½ K as a package 
> deal what do you all think or am I way off 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:15 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>
>  
>
> Joe,
>
>  
>
> Do you know the version of the CNC upgrade? It was either Standard or 
> Performance.
>
>  
>
> Tracy
>
>  
>
> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:13 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental 
> Mills  wrote:
>
> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently 
> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know 
> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to 
> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>
> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never 
> installed... with the software CDs!
>
> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the 
> installation sheet
>
> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
>
> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
>
> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
>
> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches
>
> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it
>
> 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine
>
> 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the 
> inventory
>
>  
>
> I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... 
> LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos 
> will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some 
> assistance in helping with a fair price for this person... for the record, 
> I have no interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... anyone 
> can email me at ... or call my cell anytime 516-606-6627 
> <(516)%20606-6627>... once a fair price has been offered I will give the 
> contact info of the seller and I am then backing away... just trying to 
> help someone who reached out to me... ok guys, let's see where this goes... 
> regards... Joe Biunno
>
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Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

[image: legacy for sale bob 13.jpg]
40 Magnate router bits seem to be in the mix on this deal... to be verified 
by the seller who is waiting to be accepted into the group and will begin 
posting himself once he is... Joe B.
On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 3:53:29 PM UTC-4 cole wrote:

> And we thank you , that’s how community like this grows
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:13 PM  wrote:
>
>> You are so right curt lol but I believe it’s a package deal that’s why I 
>> didn’t jump already at the motor and controller and probably the Z axis 
>> some one else can have the 4x gears I already have 1 and a half sets of 
>> those
>>
>> As package if I had the money I would buy it all and sell all the bits to 
>> all you guys but alas I am a poor man so.. someone will get it all in one 
>> big buy
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 12:18 AM
>> *To:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>
>>  
>>
>> "HOLEY COW"!
>>
>> What kind of prices are you/he looking to get?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Before Bill ask, (I think everyone know.) Bill have been looking for a 
>> motor and limit switches. If you are parting this out I know he will be 
>> wanting those. (6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and 
>> limit switches)
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Why would anyone want a CNC up-grade and the X4 gear sets???  (That's 
>> Crazy!)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Please let US (the group) Know how you/he will want to sell this. Via. 
>> parting each line listed or as a package.
>>
>>  
>>
>> It is a Very nice Machine, To bad YOUR friend dose not want to learn how 
>> to use what he has. His machine is a once in a life time find.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Before things get hot and heavy on people asking for things, I will offer 
>> $1.00 for the set. (Or old school, One Buck! perhaps a buck and a half, but 
>> I keep the antlers.)  ;-p
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 09:16:31 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via 
>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> some are asking for a more specific location of this piece... without 
>> putting you vultures(LOL!) on a direct path, Ill say southeast california, 
>> near the Mexico border... if you are willing to travel to get this unique 
>> machine and accessories, that should help you out for now... pictures being 
>> posted in a few minutes... Joe B.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:51:12 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Pictures tomorrow and it is a package deal 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS 
>> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 6:58 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> So he is selling as a whole package correct? Any way of getting pictures 
>> that always will help with selling
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 7:14 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>
>>  
>>
>> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently 
>> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know 
>> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to 
>> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>>
>> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never 
>> installed... with the software CDs!
>>
>> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the 
>> installation sheet
>>
>> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
>>
>> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
>>
>> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
>>
>> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches
>>
>> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it
>>

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

okay, let's clarify a few things... I am not in any way in control of this 
sale... I am simply lending some guidance to a person who has no desire to 
keep this recently acquired Legacy machine and has little to no 
understanding of what the machine is or what it is capable of doing... I 
could compare this situation to the person who luckily came across those 
three Legacy 1800's with a lot of parts and accessories... they just want 
to sell it all at a fair price... he is not a personal friend, but then 
again I make friends easily, so lets just say he is an acquaintance, for 
now... this person reached out to me from my Legacy Facebook page and sent 
me a message requesting some advice... this equipment is not being parted 
out... it is a package deal... there is only one drive motor, with controls 
and limit switches... the other motors are from the CNC upgrade package and 
they are stepper motors, very different from the lead screw drive motor 
that a lot of us have and is still available from Grainger(one possible 
source)... as far as a price for everything, that is the difficult part... 
was hoping that someone here, who was not interested in the deal, would 
lend an honest opinion as to what they think it all might be worth... 
perhaps Tim K. could offer an opinion, whether it be here or in private to 
me, so I could forward it to the current owner... good luck to all!... Joe 
B.

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:18:22 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> "HOLEY COW"!
> What kind of prices are you/he looking to get?
>
> Before Bill ask, (I think everyone know.) Bill have been looking for a 
> motor and limit switches. If you are parting this out I know he will be 
> wanting those. (6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and 
> limit switches)
>
>
> Why would anyone want a CNC up-grade and the X4 gear sets???  (That's 
> Crazy!)
>
> Please let US (the group) Know how you/he will want to sell this. Via. 
> parting each line listed or as a package.
>
> It is a Very nice Machine, To bad YOUR friend dose not want to learn how 
> to use what he has. His machine is a once in a life time find.
>
> Before things get hot and heavy on people asking for things, I will offer 
> $1.00 for the set. (Or old school, One Buck! perhaps a buck and a half, but 
> I keep the antlers.)  ;-p
>
> C.A.G.
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 09:16:31 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>
> [image: legacy for sale bob 1.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 2.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
> some are asking for a more specific location of this piece... without 
> putting you vultures(LOL!) on a direct path, Ill say southeast california, 
> near the Mexico border... if you are willing to travel to get this unique 
> machine and accessories, that should help you out for now... pictures being 
> posted in a few minutes... Joe B.
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:51:12 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Pictures tomorrow and it is a package deal 
>
>
>
> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS 
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 6:58 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> So he is selling as a whole package correct? Any way of getting pictures 
> that always will help with selling
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 7:14 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>
>  
>
> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently 
> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know 
> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to 
> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>
> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never 
> installed... with the software CDs!
>
> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the 
> installation sheet
>
> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
>
> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
>
> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
>
> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches
>
> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it
>
> 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine
>
> 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the 
> inventory
>
>  
>
> I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... 
> LOL!..

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

[image: legacy for sale bob 11.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 12.jpg]

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:01:46 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> [image: legacy for sale bob 9.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 10.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:59:14 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> [image: legacy for sale bob 7.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 8.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: legacy for sale bob 5.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 6.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:17:36 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: legacy for sale bob 3.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 4.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:16:27 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: legacy for sale bob 1.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 2.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> some are asking for a more specific location of this piece... without 
>>>>>> putting you vultures(LOL!) on a direct path, Ill say southeast 
>>>>>> california, 
>>>>>> near the Mexico border... if you are willing to travel to get this 
>>>>>> unique 
>>>>>> machine and accessories, that should help you out for now... pictures 
>>>>>> being 
>>>>>> posted in a few minutes... Joe B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:51:12 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pictures tomorrow and it is a package deal 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS 
>>>>>>> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 6:58 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>>>>>>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So he is selling as a whole package correct? Any way of getting 
>>>>>>> pictures that always will help with selling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>>>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 7:14 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>>>>>> *Subject:* the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently 
>>>>>>> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know 
>>>>>>> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the 
>>>>>>> market to 
>>>>>>> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never 
>>>>>>> installed... with the software CDs!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with 
>>>>>>> the installation sheet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit 
>>>>>>> switches
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far 
>>>>>>> into the inventory
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ba

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

[image: legacy for sale bob 7.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 8.jpg]

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> [image: legacy for sale bob 5.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 6.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:17:36 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> [image: legacy for sale bob 3.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 4.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:16:27 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: legacy for sale bob 1.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 2.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> some are asking for a more specific location of this piece... without 
>>>> putting you vultures(LOL!) on a direct path, Ill say southeast california, 
>>>> near the Mexico border... if you are willing to travel to get this unique 
>>>> machine and accessories, that should help you out for now... pictures 
>>>> being 
>>>> posted in a few minutes... Joe B.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:51:12 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pictures tomorrow and it is a package deal 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS 
>>>>> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 6:58 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>>>>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So he is selling as a whole package correct? Any way of getting 
>>>>> pictures that always will help with selling
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 7:14 AM
>>>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>>>> *Subject:* the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently 
>>>>> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know 
>>>>> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never 
>>>>> installed... with the software CDs!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the 
>>>>> installation sheet
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
>>>>>
>>>>> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches
>>>>>
>>>>> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it
>>>>>
>>>>> 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine
>>>>>
>>>>> 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into 
>>>>> the inventory
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... 
>>>>> LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly 
>>>>> photos 
>>>>> will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some 
>>>>> assistance in helping with a fair price for this person... for the 
>>>>> record, 
>>>>> I have no interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... 
>>>>> anyone 
>>>>> can email me at ... or call my cell anytime 
>>>>> 516-606-6627 <(516)%20606-6627>... once a fair price has been offered 
>>>>> I will give the contact info of the seller and I am then backing away... 
>>>>> just trying to help someone who reached out to me... ok guys, let's see 
>>>>> where this goes... regards... Joe Biunno
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
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Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

[image: legacy for sale bob 1.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 2.jpg]

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> some are asking for a more specific location of this piece... without 
> putting you vultures(LOL!) on a direct path, Ill say southeast california, 
> near the Mexico border... if you are willing to travel to get this unique 
> machine and accessories, that should help you out for now... pictures being 
> posted in a few minutes... Joe B.
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:51:12 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Pictures tomorrow and it is a package deal 
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS 
>> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 6:58 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> So he is selling as a whole package correct? Any way of getting pictures 
>> that always will help with selling
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 7:14 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>
>>  
>>
>> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently 
>> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know 
>> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to 
>> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>>
>> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never 
>> installed... with the software CDs!
>>
>> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the 
>> installation sheet
>>
>> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
>>
>> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
>>
>> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
>>
>> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches
>>
>> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it
>>
>> 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine
>>
>> 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the 
>> inventory
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... 
>> LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos 
>> will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some 
>> assistance in helping with a fair price for this person... for the record, 
>> I have no interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... anyone 
>> can email me at ... or call my cell anytime 516-606-6627 
>> <(516)%20606-6627>... once a fair price has been offered I will give the 
>> contact info of the seller and I am then backing away... just trying to 
>> help someone who reached out to me... ok guys, let's see where this goes... 
>> regards... Joe Biunno
>>
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Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

['finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

some are asking for a more specific location of this piece... without 
putting you vultures(LOL!) on a direct path, Ill say southeast california, 
near the Mexico border... if you are willing to travel to get this unique 
machine and accessories, that should help you out for now... pictures being 
posted in a few minutes... Joe B.

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:51:12 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> Pictures tomorrow and it is a package deal 
>
>
>
> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS 
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 6:58 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> So he is selling as a whole package correct? Any way of getting pictures 
> that always will help with selling
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 7:14 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>
>  
>
> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently 
> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know 
> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to 
> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>
> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never 
> installed... with the software CDs!
>
> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the 
> installation sheet
>
> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
>
> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
>
> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
>
> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches
>
> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it
>
> 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine
>
> 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the 
> inventory
>
>  
>
> I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... 
> LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos 
> will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some 
> assistance in helping with a fair price for this person... for the record, 
> I have no interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... anyone 
> can email me at ... or call my cell anytime 516-606-6627 
> <(516)%20606-6627>... once a fair price has been offered I will give the 
> contact info of the seller and I am then backing away... just trying to 
> help someone who reached out to me... ok guys, let's see where this goes... 
> regards... Joe Biunno
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the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

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okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently 
contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know 
anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to 
sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never 
installed... with the software CDs!
2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the 
installation sheet
3) "Z" axis upgrade
4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches
7) nice Porter Cable router on it
8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine
9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the 
inventory

I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... LOL!... 
general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos will be 
available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some assistance in 
helping with a fair price for this person... for the record, I have no 
interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... anyone can email 
me at ... or call my cell anytime 516-606-6627... once a 
fair price has been offered I will give the contact info of the seller and 
I am then backing away... just trying to help someone who reached out to 
me... ok guys, let's see where this goes... regards... Joe Biunno

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Re: new member

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Curt, I never implied that you were sent the request directly... I did not 
know you were an administrator of this group... thanks for following up on 
this, as I see that Robert has now posted his problem and is officially a 
member of the group... hopefully we will hear good things from him... and 
thanks for the work of administrating the groups page... it's all good 
stuff here... regards... Joe Biunno

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 12:20:25 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Everyone
>
> I was not SENT a notice of any request. 
>
> There were three people requesting access to the group.
> I am sorry for anyone who was keep waiting. 
>
> To those of you who I just granted access to, you still need to post at 
> least two posting before the system knows who you are. I or Tim must grant 
> access to any new member's so please be patient if your posting do not show 
> up on the web page or e-mail as fast as you like  .
>  Again I am sorry for any inconveniences, Google no longer supports 
> Groups, I guess this is one of those things.
> I will try to keep a better look out for the web page/requests.
>
> Have  a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Monday, May 24, 2021, 11:07:40 AM EDT,  wrote: 
>
>
> Hi Joe
>
> I forward this email to Tim K for you 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Monday, 24 May 2021 11:06 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* new member
>
>  
>
> to the administrator of the group, I recently had a Robert Thomas Weaver 
> reach out to me asking for some help with his Legacy 1200, with the CNC 
> upgrade... I could not help him and suggested he join this group... he said 
> he tried but has yet to hear back if he has been accepted into the group... 
> any chance someone can follow up on this?... thanks... Joe Biunno 
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new member

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to the administrator of the group, I recently had a Robert Thomas Weaver 
reach out to me asking for some help with his Legacy 1200, with the CNC 
upgrade... I could not help him and suggested he join this group... he said 
he tried but has yet to hear back if he has been accepted into the group... 
any chance someone can follow up on this?... thanks... Joe Biunno

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Re: Gears

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if you were to change the lead screw from a #4 to a #8, wouldn't you need 
to also change the black, nylon nut as well?... Joe B.

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 10:27:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Hey there, and good morning. (YOU are Welcome Arkady)
>
> Depending on your goals, there is another way to change your pitches other 
> then making new gears.
>
> This one I have not done, but have thought about for years.
>
> If you replace your acme screw with one of smaller pitch you will slow 
> down the machine.  
> A 5/8x8 acme screw is easy to find and buy. 
> https://www.mcmaster.com/acme-screws/thread-size~5-8-8/ a 6' screw is 
> under $70.00.
>
> The idea is, If you take your 5/8x4 acme screw and replace it with a 5/8x8 
> acme screw  you will effetely reduce your pitch.
> Now why would you want to do this?  the slower the carriage moves the 
> cleaner the cut.
>
> What I've been playing around with the idea of adding the  5/8x8 acmes 
> screw in series  with the 5/8x4 acmes that came with my Legacy, this way I 
> could increase/de-crease my range of pitches that I could get on my machine 
> while cutting.
> Its just an idea.  One that would be cheaper and easer to buy, vs having 
> new gears made. Something to think about...?  ;-)
>
> Have a good day.
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 02:00:00 AM EST, Arkady Paka <
> arkad...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hi Curt. Thank you very much for photo.
> Arkady from Ukrane.
>
> пн, 8 мар. 2021 г., 16:29 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>:
>
> Nice ideas here.
>
> Tim. Legacy originally made  acrylic gears for there Legacy 500 & 600 
> module's. 
> they were limited to the number of pitches, but I think if you cut larger 
> teeth on the acrylic gears, something like that just might work!
>
> Bill I know very little about 3-D printing. But that too, might work. Neat 
> idea!
>
> With today's world changing, With  things like lasers and water jet 
> cutting, making complex things has become easer .
>
> Keep Dreaming of the possibility's and someday we just might get there. ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021, 06:49:31 AM EST, Tim Ziegler  
> wrote: 
>
>
> incredible what can be done now days.
> I can run them from acrylic about 1/2 thick. not totally sure how flat 
> they'd stay.
> I'd have to test it. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:57 AM  wrote:
>
> With modern technology and materials these days has anybody looked at 
> getting a set of 2X gears and .25 gears 3D printed I see metal lathe change 
> gears normally worth hundreds of dollars 3D printed for like $50 to $60 
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/SOUTH-BEND-HEAVY-10-METAL-LATHE-METRIC-TRANSPOSING-CHANGE-GEAR-SET-3D-Printed/263981050744?hash=item3d767f2b78:g:VK4AAOSwkStbnpfb
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Arkady Paka
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 March 2021 8:15 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Gears
>
>  
>
> Thank you Curt. Can I see any blueprint and/or photo of your 234 gear set?
>
>  
>
> вс, 7 мар. 2021 г., 15:52 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>:
>
> Hello Arkady
>
>  
>
> NO !  I'm pretty sure that they will not match up to the Legacy's gears.
>
>  
>
> What I am suggesting is to make a duplex gear form one of the Legacy's 
> gears and combine the two into one gear set that can be used on the Legacy.
>
> As a matter of fact. Legacy did this, when they switched making there 
> gear, from machined to laser cut. (big teeth vs the small ones.)
>
>  
>
> A few years ago I made my X-2,3,4 gear set. I made a square shaft ,and a 
> mounting plate. on this, I used a 96 tooth gear as the large gear. and then 
> I could put any one of three gears onto the square shaft it to make the 
> gear ratio that I needed. (4x is 24/96, X3 is 32/96, X2 is 48/96) This gear 
> set can be used in conjunction with the other Legacy gears, So if I need a 
> gear setting, I can go to the graph, and look up the pitch, and then 
> multiply that number X  what ever I need, to make the pitch I want.
>
>  
>
> Now these gear I am suggesting here are not the same as I had cut. but 
> they are also cheaper to buy. With a little work, (Most of what I did was 
> made with the use of a file and a few tack wields), You could make your own 
> gear sets, to make what ever pitches you want.
>
>  
>
> A few year back we had a member make there own gear sets 
> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/NRI4-q17xz8/m/qz4wSch25-sJ
>  Joe 
> made his own sets, It looks a little crazy but it worked well. As a matter 
> of Fact. Bill also used chain and gears to make different pitches on this 
> same link.
>
>  
>
> When there is a Will! there is always a Way to make th

Re: leadscrew wobble

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Re: leadscrew wobble... possibly consider that the feed rate of the lead 
screw is too fast for the cutting action of the bit being used... and there 
most likely could be some back pressure being put on the lead screw and 
thus causing it to wobble...perhaps try slowing down the lead screw, 
without slowing the RPM's on the headstock... that might stop the wobble... 
Joe B.

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 9:10:52 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Bill
> I understand your wobbling, (Nice fix by the way.)
> Legacy made sets of bridges for there longer machines to keep the 
> lead-screw form bending over the machines length.( I mean just think about 
> it, 5/8" steel is only so strong.) 
> Now Please let me know "WHY" are you moving your machine at that kind of 
> speed?  I personally have never cut any wood at even half that speed on the 
> Legacy. 
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021, 08:13:27 AM EST,  
> wrote: 
>
>
> Yes only 3ft long I was planning the halves of my 6 inch dia spiral with a 
> 3 inch hole down the middle lots of problems today I didn’t get very far 
> but I just keep plodding along lol good old handscrew clamps they really 
> are the most versatile clamps I use them the most of any in my shop.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 26 February 2021 10:48 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: leadscrew wobble
>
>  
>
> Hey Bill Nice Fix. 
>
> Quick and easy. And best thing is you can use it anywhere you want. 
>
> Mike Pung will be proud. 
>
> Must have been milling something fairly short?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 2:57 AM  wrote:
>
> The leadscrew was wobbling a bit too much at faster feeds today so a quick 
> fix on the fly sorry no music on this one it only goes for a min 
>
>  
>
> https://youtu.be/XscB5OMqrnc
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Bill
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something for the Legacy CNC guys

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(2) Marketplace - Lagacy CNC Router Decatur | Facebook 

  
 seems to be a very low price for a Legacy CNC, but it does look like it 
needs some work 

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