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- Original Message -

From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 5:12:06 PM 
Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 

Hello guys. 
the face-plate idea is OK. but for the money the indexing hubs are the best 
tool in the arsenal of tools that Legacy ever made. Hopefully Cindy can come 
through for you? If not there are others out there that can make them... the 
Hubs are Simple, Efficient,& Practical... (ESP. or in other woods its KISS. 
(Keep,It Simple, Stupid.) for the price those hubs are a GREAT DEAL! 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Joe G"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 3:46:56 PM 
Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 

Faceplate great idea but i'll need 4 for the many steps I do.. 

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Russ Veinot < ru...@yknotwood.com > wrote: 

Excellent Suggestion !!?!! 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Kratky 
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 8:18 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Need LOM dogs and split nut 

There’s always a lathe faceplate: 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joe G 
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 10:12 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 

I have the threaded headstock with looks like a #2 MT 

I do have 1" X 8 thread check but it only opens to 3" I think. The legs I were 
turning for a table are 4" and 5" Sq at top 

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Russ Veinot < ru...@yknotwood.com > wrote: 

BUY EXTRA !! :>) 

Oh, I already said that. Does the headstock have a threaded head for adding a 4 
jaw chuck? I rarely use my LOM dogs anymore since adding one to my LOM. Does it 
have the #1 morse taper headstock? 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joe Gassen 
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 7:47 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 

Thanks Tim, Ill call back Monday! 

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 4:40:55 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote: 

Call Legacy back and ask for Cindy. She is in charge of the parts for the 
manual machines the last time I checked.On Nov 3, 2017 5:05 PM, Russ Veinot < 
ru...@yknotwood.com > wrote: 
> 
> BUY EXTRA !! :>) 
> 
> 
> 
> From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [ 
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joe G 
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 6:51 PM 
> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks guys for the help. I called Legacy and the man that answered said he 
> would have someone call me back and he thought they had the parts. 
> 
> No call yet..fingers crossed! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 6:31 PM, CURTIS GEORGE < curtg...@wowway.com > wrote: 
> 
> Hello again Joe 
> 
> 
> 
> do you still have the old split nut? Its just the upper half you need? If so 
> I may be some help for you. I own a home made tap for the 5/8 x 4 acme screw. 
> I can tap a piece of durlin (SP?) plastic for you, then you can cut it to 
> fit... 
> 
> Please let me know if you still need help on this? 
> 
> more latter. 
> 
> 
> 
> C.A.G. 
> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> From: "Joe Gassen" < words...@gmail.com > 
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" < legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > 
> Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 12:07:33 PM 
> Subject: Need LO

Re: tail stock on the LOM

Yes I use a live center most of the time. I remember someone (I think it was 
Tim) who made a live center for the Legacy's new tail stock. (More then a few 
years ago.) If I remember correctly they threaded the shaft and then added a 
live center on to the shaft. (I may have been a Shop-Smith I know that has a 
1/2 -24 thread on the live center.) It should be in our archives..? 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Russ Veinot"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 5:13:41 PM 
Subject: RE: tail stock on the LOM 



If your tailstock has a MT-2 then you can use a standard live center? I wish I 
had that. I have just a solid rod grind to a point, lots of friction under use. 
That’s the part I don’t like. 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 3:55 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: tail stock on the LOM 





my old 1000ex has a De-sta-co clamp on the tail stock with a MT-2 .There is not 
a lot of difference between the cam and ... but I like what I have. ;-) 





C.A.G. 



- Original Message -



From: "russ veinot" < ru...@yknotwood.com > 
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" < legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com > 
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 11:33:00 AM 
Subject: tail stock on the LOM 





i still use my original tailstock with the cam tensioner. i am curious if 
anyone has this same set up? was it used on other models (which models)? if you 
changed your, how? i would like to change mine, but maybe not have to reinvent 
the wheel :>) looking for ideas !! 




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Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut

Hello guys. 
the face-plate idea is OK. but for the money the indexing hubs are the best 
tool in the arsenal of tools that Legacy ever made. Hopefully Cindy can come 
through for you? If not there are others out there that can make them... the 
Hubs are Simple, Efficient,& Practical... (ESP. or in other woods its KISS. 
(Keep,It Simple, Stupid.) for the price those hubs are a GREAT DEAL! 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Joe G"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 3:46:56 PM 
Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 

Faceplate great idea but i'll need 4 for the many steps I do.. 


On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Russ Veinot < ru...@yknotwood.com > wrote: 





Excellent Suggestion !!?!! 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Kratky 
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 8:18 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Need LOM dogs and split nut 




There’s always a lathe faceplate: 










From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joe G 
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 10:12 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 





I have the threaded headstock with looks like a #2 MT 


I do have 1" X 8 thread check but it only opens to 3" I think. The legs I were 
turning for a table are 4" and 5" Sq at top 





On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Russ Veinot < ru...@yknotwood.com > wrote: 


BUY EXTRA !! :>) 

Oh, I already said that. Does the headstock have a threaded head for adding a 4 
jaw chuck? I rarely use my LOM dogs anymore since adding one to my LOM. Does it 
have the #1 morse taper headstock? 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joe Gassen 
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 7:47 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 



Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 





Thanks Tim, Ill call back Monday! 






On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 4:40:55 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote: 

Call Legacy back and ask for Cindy. She is in charge of the parts for the 
manual machines the last time I checked.On Nov 3, 2017 5:05 PM, Russ Veinot < 
ru...@yknotwood.com > wrote: 
> 
> BUY EXTRA !! :>) 
> 
> 
> 
> From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [ 
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joe G 
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 6:51 PM 
> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks guys for the help. I called Legacy and the man that answered said he 
> would have someone call me back and he thought they had the parts. 
> 
> No call yet..fingers crossed! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 6:31 PM, CURTIS GEORGE < curtg...@wowway.com > wrote: 
> 
> Hello again Joe 
> 
> 
> 
> do you still have the old split nut? Its just the upper half you need? If so 
> I may be some help for you. I own a home made tap for the 5/8 x 4 acme screw. 
> I can tap a piece of durlin (SP?) plastic for you, then you can cut it to 
> fit... 
> 
> Please let me know if you still need help on this? 
> 
> more latter. 
> 
> 
> 
> C.A.G. 
> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> From: "Joe Gassen" < words...@gmail.com > 
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" < legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > 
> Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 12:07:33 PM 
> Subject: Need LOM dogs and split nut 
> 
> 
> 
> I sent an e-mail but later found this board. 
> 
> I have an older steel rail LOM and have recently begun to use it again. 
> 
> I need at least two of the 4 prong dogs that fit the headstock mad will also 
> need a split nut in the future for the 5/8 acme. 
> 
> Any help will be appreciated since I see Legacy no longer supports the older 
> LOM s and have also taken down the old training videos. 
> 
> Thx all 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: tail stock on the LOM

my old 1000ex has a De-sta-co clamp on the tail stock with a MT-2 .There is not 
a lot of difference between the cam and ... but I like what I have. ;-) 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "russ veinot"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 11:33:00 AM 
Subject: tail stock on the LOM 

i still use my original tailstock with the cam tensioner. i am curious if 
anyone has this same set up? was it used on other models (which models)? if you 
changed your, how? i would like to change mine, but maybe not have to reinvent 
the wheel :>) looking for ideas !! 



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Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut

Hello Joe 
most of the Legacy's that I have seen have a MT-2 as well as a 1x8 thread on 
the head-stock/spindle. This means most of the lathe adapters you own should 
fit the Legacy, the MT-1 is to small for the Legacy, but you can buy MT 1-2 
adapters at any machine shop supply house, they are not expensive. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Joe G"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 10:12:02 PM 
Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 

I have the threaded headstock with looks like a #2 MT 
I do have 1" X 8 thread check but it only opens to 3" I think. The legs I were 
turning for a table are 4" and 5" Sq at top 

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Russ Veinot < ru...@yknotwood.com > wrote: 





BUY EXTRA !! :>) 

Oh, I already said that. Does the headstock have a threaded head for adding a 4 
jaw chuck? I rarely use my LOM dogs anymore since adding one to my LOM. Does it 
have the #1 morse taper headstock? 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joe Gassen 
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2017 7:47 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 








Thanks Tim, Ill call back Monday! 






On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 4:40:55 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote: 

Call Legacy back and ask for Cindy. She is in charge of the parts for the 
manual machines the last time I checked.On Nov 3, 2017 5:05 PM, Russ Veinot < 
ru...@yknotwood.com > wrote: 
> 
> BUY EXTRA !! :>) 
> 
> 
> 
> From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joe G 
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 6:51 PM 
> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks guys for the help. I called Legacy and the man that answered said he 
> would have someone call me back and he thought they had the parts. 
> 
> No call yet..fingers crossed! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 6:31 PM, CURTIS GEORGE < curtg...@wowway.com > wrote: 
> 
> Hello again Joe 
> 
> 
> 
> do you still have the old split nut? Its just the upper half you need? If so 
> I may be some help for you. I own a home made tap for the 5/8 x 4 acme screw. 
> I can tap a piece of durlin (SP?) plastic for you, then you can cut it to 
> fit... 
> 
> Please let me know if you still need help on this? 
> 
> more latter. 
> 
> 
> 
> C.A.G. 
> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> From: "Joe Gassen" < words...@gmail.com > 
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" < legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > 
> Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 12:07:33 PM 
> Subject: Need LOM dogs and split nut 
> 
> 
> 
> I sent an e-mail but later found this board. 
> 
> I have an older steel rail LOM and have recently begun to use it again. 
> 
> I need at least two of the 4 prong dogs that fit the headstock mad will also 
> need a split nut in the future for the 5/8 acme. 
> 
> Any help will be appreciated since I see Legacy no longer supports the older 
> LOM s and have also taken down the old training videos. 
> 
> Thx all 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Need LOM dogs and split nut

2017-11-03 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello again Joe 

do you still have the old split nut? Its just the upper half you need? If so I 
may be some help for you. I own a home made tap for the 5/8 x 4 acme screw. I 
can tap a piece of durlin (SP?) plastic for you, then you can cut it to fit... 
Please let me know if you still need help on this? 
more latter. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Joe Gassen"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 12:07:33 PM 
Subject: Need LOM dogs and split nut 

I sent an e-mail but later found this board. 
I have an older steel rail LOM and have recently begun to use it again. 
I need at least two of the 4 prong dogs that fit the headstock mad will also 
need a split nut in the future for the 5/8 acme. 
Any help will be appreciated since I see Legacy no longer supports the older 
LOM s and have also taken down the old training videos. 
Thx all 

Joe 

256-seven9seven too three 2 fore 


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Re: Purchasing LOM dogs and split nut

2017-11-03 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Joe. 
The indexing hubs can still be bought through Legacy,I think they still use 
them with there CNC units. If not I can get a friend of mine to have them cut 
on a CNC laser. (check with Legacy first.) 

Good luck on your project. the old steely units are still a very good machine, 
no matter is Legacy supports them or not. 

More latter. 
C.A.G. 




- Original Message -

From: "Joe G"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 11:57:06 AM 
Subject: Purchasing LOM dogs and split nut 

I have dusted off (literally) the old steel rail LOM and trying to turn legs 
for tables. I only have 2 of the "dogs" that fit the headstock and need at 
least 2 more because I am doing 4 of these in steps and have to mount and 
remount the dogs. 
Also, while seeking things. I will need a split nut for the linear screw soon. 
If any of you have or produce these. please contact me. 
I see Legacy no longer supports my machine at all. 

Thx 
Joe 



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Re: New Members and Moderation

2017-10-19 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Welcome to the group Andy. 
If you are looking for support form anyone about the Legacy Ornamental Mill 
this is the place to be. Im sure that you have or will hear about horror 
story's about people and the Legacy company's support services. 

In Nut shell, Legacy has switched its tracks, and left the manual machines 
behind. stating that CNC is the new future of the company. 
OUR group is over 400 members strong, The knowledge and skill levels, 
of many of our members, I know will be helpful, getting you through almost any 
problem that you will run into. 

So I invite you to ask, and share your experiences with the group as much as 
you can. In this way we all can grow and get better in the process. ;-) 

Again Welcome aboard. 
talk to you more latter. 

C.A.G. 



- Original Message -

From: "Andy Guss"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:46:33 PM 
Subject: Re: New Members and Moderation 

Hello all, 

I'm Andy Guss, live in Salt LAke, not too far from the Legacy factory down in 
Springville, although I have never been there. I recently purchased a Revo that 
I hope to get up and running to use for some hobby projects. 

I joined the group because it seemed that future support for the manual mills 
would be minimal from the company that made them, so a group of people with 
knowledge and experience seemed like my best hope for help. 

Thanks, 

Andy 



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Re: legacy cabinets

2017-10-12 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hey Bill 

Outstanding! That was a nice video. I agree almost all the techniques could be 
done on the Manual mills. 
the speed of the CNC is amazing. those corner pieces that he made I've done a 
few times before, and Believe me its not a fast job doing it by hand /mill, but 
it can be done! 
That beautiful clean cutting of the round corner pieces can also be done on the 
manual machines, But for most of us we are missing one element is this 
equation. that is the speed of the turning of the part. with the manual machine 
you can control the speed of the router, travel as well as the speed of 
rotation of the cutter, but the spindle speed needs to be sped up, (Spindle 
drive motor is needed, and Legacy only sold that for a short time over the 
years. and not many people own one.) 
This is a topic that we have covered a few time in the past. If anyone what's 
to make one, we can start a new topic and cover the concept, of how to make one 
for your self. (sorry I did not mean to get off topic.) 

Thank you Bill, I did enjoy watching this video. 

C.A.G. 

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From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 7:41:29 PM 
Subject: legacy cabinets 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgamcDKvAco&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=ygdKqxhHeZeIak8G-6
 



I like this legacy video a lot of this could be done on our manual mills 



what do you all think 



Bill 



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wooden whistle

2017-10-09 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Everyone. 

This is today's project. I made 5 kids wooden whistles. If I can get the sound 
right, I will then make them pretty, perhaps a rope or ...? On the Legacy. 

The problem that I am running into is the sound. (for those who don't know 
me.WELL, I'm more then a little deft,) ( I guess its somewhat funny, that I 
deft guy is trying to make music...) ;-) But! My wife and kids are going to 
shoot me if I don't stop tooting tonight. 
So I thought I would write and ask for help... 

I've tried different size hole/chambers, for making deeper tones, It seems that 
the V cut and the reed with the flat on it have to be, just right to make the 
sound that I am looking to find. 
The real kicker is I made one that sounds great, but the other 4... (although 
they do whistle its more high pitched then I want.) 

Anyone out there know more about this topic, then I do? 
I really need some help! 

C.A.G. 

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Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure.

2017-10-07 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello again everyone, 
Like I said Russ V. video is very nice, I personally find the metal scale the 
best tip (for me) in the video, and it runs along the idea of setting a 0 mark, 
once you have figured out where you are on the wood, then it becomes very easy 
to get all the other measurement. 

My Z axis is different form Russ's (its home made as well.) but I use it pretty 
much the same way as he dose in this video. 

How I do things today, is more like this. 
I cut my wood, then measure. making that point the base line, then everything 
else just falls in place. 

I also USE the assembly line approach when making multiple parts. I do one cut, 
on every part , then I move on. instead of trying to make one part over and 
over... I get better quality, control of the cut is easier and everything is 
uniformed using this method. 

Max I wish you luck on your project, Please let us know how it all turns out 
for you. 
Have a good day. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 3:37:52 PM 
Subject: Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure. 

Hello again everyone 
that 3 D ruler is pretty neat. Not quite the same thing, but it would get the 
job done. 
Russ V. made a video not all that long ago, where he used a metal scale to get 
his depth of setting. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxn3HZAWrao&index=4&list=PLKEP8I-wf5kFaEcZMc5ekLwyVpVpZ0eX-

check it out. 

GOTA RUN NOW. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "MAX LATHAM"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 12:29:16 PM 
Subject: Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure. 

https://www.amazon.com/Woodcraft-10171-Step-Gauge-Ruler/dp/B009HSLB7W/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1507393601&sr=1-3&keywords=3+dimension+ruler

I have one of these which might work as well 

max 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of jwb...@windstream.net 

Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 10:31 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Cc: CURTIS GEORGE 
Subject: Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure. 
Just adding my 2 cents. 

There is an easier way to accomplish this task. If you turn one blank to a 
certain size, lets say 1 inch, then use a gauge to set the size you want to end 
up with. (a link to what I use is at the bottom of this comment) If you want to 
end up with 1 1/2 diameter, you subtract the 1 inch blank, you end up with 1/2 
that you need to add, seeing you will have half of this on top of your blank, 
and half at the bottom you then divide this in half. So you need to raise the 
bit 1/4 inch. You place the gauge between the top of the blank and the bottom 
of the bit. Now if you want to go smaller than your blank you then lower your 
bit to touch the blank and place the gauge between the stop on your router. If 
you have an odd ball size you need you can just cut a gauge from a scrap on 
your band saw or table saw and use that as a gauge. 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002YIG58W/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 CURTIS GEORGE  wrote: 
> 
> Hello Max 
> I can find any pix s AT this min. but I can explain what it is, and how to 
> use it. 
> 
> I made a spindle with steps in it. each cut was measured and marked, when I 
> put this jig in between centers, I could lower the router bit down to touch 
> this jig. and then set my stops on my Legacy, Since this jig was set between 
> centers on my machine, what ever depth I set the router too, would be My 
> known measurement. 
> 
> The Legacy CNC uses a touch pad to do the same thing, a known placement on 
> the machine to set your 0 (a place to start all measurements from) 
> 
> Brian Gumble made his jig out of plywood, it looked like a stair/steps, he 
> sat it on the rails to get his measurement. My jig was set in between the 
> centers (I mainly do spindle work) but it works the same way. 
> 
> Think of it like using a router block on your router table.or a 1.2.3 block 
> in the machine shop. by using a known measurement you can find any other 
> measurement you need. 
> 
> I will see if I can find a photo, or I will go out a take a new one for you 
> latter. 
> 
> Until then I hope this helps? 
> Have a good day. 
> talk to you more latter. 
> C.A.G. 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: "max"  
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
> Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 9:32:46 AM 
> Subject: Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure. 
> 
> Well, I've looked almost everywhere for a picture of your jig. I know I've 
> seen it somewhere. Could you post it or reference it? 
> Thanks, Max 
> 
> On Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 8:52:18 AM UTC-6, Curtis wrote: 
> 
> 
> Hi guys. 
> Yester

Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure.

2017-10-07 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello again everyone 
that 3 D ruler is pretty neat. Not quite the same thing, but it would get the 
job done. 
Russ V. made a video not all that long ago, where he used a metal scale to get 
his depth of setting. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxn3HZAWrao&index=4&list=PLKEP8I-wf5kFaEcZMc5ekLwyVpVpZ0eX-

check it out. 

GOTA RUN NOW. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "MAX LATHAM"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 12:29:16 PM 
Subject: Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure. 

https://www.amazon.com/Woodcraft-10171-Step-Gauge-Ruler/dp/B009HSLB7W/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1507393601&sr=1-3&keywords=3+dimension+ruler

I have one of these which might work as well 

max 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of jwb...@windstream.net 

Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 10:31 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Cc: CURTIS GEORGE 
Subject: Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure. 
Just adding my 2 cents. 

There is an easier way to accomplish this task. If you turn one blank to a 
certain size, lets say 1 inch, then use a gauge to set the size you want to end 
up with. (a link to what I use is at the bottom of this comment) If you want to 
end up with 1 1/2 diameter, you subtract the 1 inch blank, you end up with 1/2 
that you need to add, seeing you will have half of this on top of your blank, 
and half at the bottom you then divide this in half. So you need to raise the 
bit 1/4 inch. You place the gauge between the top of the blank and the bottom 
of the bit. Now if you want to go smaller than your blank you then lower your 
bit to touch the blank and place the gauge between the stop on your router. If 
you have an odd ball size you need you can just cut a gauge from a scrap on 
your band saw or table saw and use that as a gauge. 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002YIG58W/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 CURTIS GEORGE  wrote: 
> 
> Hello Max 
> I can find any pix s AT this min. but I can explain what it is, and how to 
> use it. 
> 
> I made a spindle with steps in it. each cut was measured and marked, when I 
> put this jig in between centers, I could lower the router bit down to touch 
> this jig. and then set my stops on my Legacy, Since this jig was set between 
> centers on my machine, what ever depth I set the router too, would be My 
> known measurement. 
> 
> The Legacy CNC uses a touch pad to do the same thing, a known placement on 
> the machine to set your 0 (a place to start all measurements from) 
> 
> Brian Gumble made his jig out of plywood, it looked like a stair/steps, he 
> sat it on the rails to get his measurement. My jig was set in between the 
> centers (I mainly do spindle work) but it works the same way. 
> 
> Think of it like using a router block on your router table.or a 1.2.3 block 
> in the machine shop. by using a known measurement you can find any other 
> measurement you need. 
> 
> I will see if I can find a photo, or I will go out a take a new one for you 
> latter. 
> 
> Until then I hope this helps? 
> Have a good day. 
> talk to you more latter. 
> C.A.G. 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: "max"  
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
> Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 9:32:46 AM 
> Subject: Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure. 
> 
> Well, I've looked almost everywhere for a picture of your jig. I know I've 
> seen it somewhere. Could you post it or reference it? 
> Thanks, Max 
> 
> On Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 8:52:18 AM UTC-6, Curtis wrote: 
> 
> 
> Hi guys. 
> Yesterday I made a jig that fits between the centers on the legacy, It is a 
> depth step jig. 
> The Spindle started out as a 4x4 oak short. (scrap) what I did was to make 
> steps (and marked them whit the dia.of each step) I made all the common dia. 
> sizes down to 1 ". Now when I need to have a "lets say" 1 1/4" dia. on a work 
> peice. all I need to do is put this jig between centers,set the depth gauge 
> on my router Now I know exactly where the correct death is, all I need to do 
> now is nibble down to that death. NO MORE measuring to find the correct dia. 
> I need! Its a real time saver. 
> Brian Gumble made a jig that dose the same thing on his web site. Although He 
> made his somewhat differently. http://www.enter.net/~ultradad/legacyjig.html 
> check it out. 
> See YOU all Latter. 
> C.A.G. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure.

2017-10-07 Thread CURTIS GEORGE


Hello Max 
I can find any pix s AT this min. but I can explain what it is, and how to use 
it. 

I made a spindle with steps in it. each cut was measured and marked, when I put 
this jig in between centers, I could lower the router bit down to touch this 
jig. and then set my stops on my Legacy, Since this jig was set between centers 
on my machine, what ever depth I set the router too, would be My known 
measurement. 

The Legacy CNC uses a touch pad to do the same thing, a known placement on the 
machine to set your 0 (a place to start all measurements from) 

Brian Gumble made his jig out of plywood, it looked like a stair/steps, he sat 
it on the rails to get his measurement. My jig was set in between the centers 
(I mainly do spindle work) but it works the same way. 

Think of it like using a router block on your router table.or a 1.2.3 block in 
the machine shop. by using a known measurement you can find any other 
measurement you need. 

I will see if I can find a photo, or I will go out a take a new one for you 
latter. 

Until then I hope this helps? 
Have a good day. 
talk to you more latter. 
C.A.G. 
- Original Message -

From: "max"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 9:32:46 AM 
Subject: Re: makeing a jig so I dont have to measure. 

Well, I've looked almost everywhere for a picture of your jig. I know I've seen 
it somewhere. Could you post it or reference it? 
Thanks, Max 

On Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 8:52:18 AM UTC-6, Curtis wrote: 


Hi guys. 
Yesterday I made a jig that fits between the centers on the legacy, It is a 
depth step jig. 
The Spindle started out as a 4x4 oak short. (scrap) what I did was to make 
steps (and marked them whit the dia.of each step) I made all the common dia. 
sizes down to 1 ". Now when I need to have a "lets say" 1 1/4" dia. on a work 
peice. all I need to do is put this jig between centers,set the depth gauge on 
my router Now I know exactly where the correct death is, all I need to do now 
is nibble down to that death. NO MORE measuring to find the correct dia. I 
need! Its a real time saver. 
Brian Gumble made a jig that dose the same thing on his web site. Although He 
made his somewhat differently. http://www.enter.net/~ultradad/legacyjig.html 
check it out. 
See YOU all Latter. 
C.A.G. 






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Re: Side cutting reed bit

2017-09-29 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hi Max 
I am sorry that I do not have the answer you are looking for, I do not own the 
bit in question. 

What I would suggest to you is to try the bit on a scrap piece before you use 
it for real. Also If you are planing to reed on a tapper, I would suggest to 
use a guide instead of using the bearing. I have found out the hard way, that 
one reed will almost always get in the way of the bearing, making a slip up 
near the short end as the tapper and reeds get closer together. If I were you, 
I would set up your template follower to make this cut. (its safer/ less chance 
for mistakes.) 

I wish you luck. and Please post pictures of your finished PRODUCT. ;-) 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "max"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 4:26:26 PM 
Subject: Side cutting reed bit 


I have a side cutting reeding bit (7671) by Magnate with a full 1/8" clearance 
from the edge of the bearing to the shoulder of the cutting surface, with a 
plan to reed a tapered 60" long bed post from the butt of 3" down to 2" top. 
I'm confused as to the reason for this offset. Will it cut the 3/8" reed to the 
full depth or do need to replace the bearing with one the same diameter as the 
shoulder of the bit? 
And to all, I really appreciate all the things you do and share! 
Thanks 



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Re: Segments

2017-09-22 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Good morning everyone. 

Michael your vase is a work of art. That V cut look in your design is a neat 
trick. (And at this moment, I cant see how you did it.) ;-) 

I believe that the LOM could be use for details and design elements for bowls 
and vases. but I for one have very little experiences in this field. 
Please keep up the good work. 
Have a great day. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Michael Kratky"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 8:31:27 AM 
Subject: RE: Segments 



Example of what the program can be used for, I‘ve been making these vases for 
years selling them for around $500 US, they are my exclusive design with 
multiple variables using different wood species for contrast. Guess I’m old 
fashion visualizing everything in my head 1 st then sketching it out and doing 
the math but these programs for me are excellent for checks and balances. Don’t 
use my LOM but probably could, everything is done on the Saw Stop table saw and 
my big 4224B Powermatic lathe. 



Cheers from the Adirondacks, we’re quickly approaching autumn spender far and 
away the most beautiful and temperate time of the year here about 3 hours from 
the Canadian Border. 

Michael Kratky 




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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 3:15 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Segments 





Just seen this on another Forum. 


It may be of interest to someone 
http://www.quest42.co.uk/woodwork/Segment/Seg-Calc.htm 





Richard 


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2017-09-18 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

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Re: Small boxes

2017-09-17 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Richard. 
I try to never tell anyone, what cant be done... The Legacy is a wonderful 
tool, that can do many things. but it was designed to do only a few things very 
well, its the user of the tool that makes things happen, not the tool its self. 

Having said that, I wouldn't even try to make a box on my Legacy. (but that's 
me.) there are other ways to get the job done. I find the table saw or band saw 
are easier to make square idioms with, then what it would be on the Legacy. 

Here is a neat video on how to make small boxes using your table saw. (I'm sure 
something like this could be done on the Legacy as well. but I have not tried 
it before...) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfypMOcb75M enjoy the video and good luck 
dreaming of a better way to get the job done. ;-) 

talk to you, (and everyone else in the group) latter. 

C.A.G. 


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From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 5:19:45 AM 
Subject: Small boxes 

Hi All 
I have to make a few boxes to contain drills taps and other metal work tools.I 
have a Revo that can cut mitres at 45 degrees for framing ,but I want to cut 
mitres for the corners of the boxes at 45 degrees. 
The doing of finger joints is easy to do, How would you do 45 * mitres on a 
Legacy, Revo or indeed, a Woodchuck 
Richard 



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Re: Joining

2017-09-14 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello again Mike. 
Is there any way you can take some pictures so we can see what you are talking 
about? If the gears wobble that much, there has to be something out of 
alignment? The bushings on both the head stock and acme screw are made to both 
slide some to take up any slop in the alignment of the gears. 
You said that there was a grinding noise when the gears are engaged. how tight 
are you setting your gears? (I find snug is all you need, super tight causes 
big problems.) Years ago, when I had a steel lathe that used gears instead of 
an gear box , I use to use a slip of paper as a shim on the gears, to make sure 
the gears had some play in them... 
Have you tried using wax (caning wax, or candle wax works well) on your gears, 
it will act as a lubricant. 

Another Question? where do you live? perhaps one of our members can make a 
social call for you? with over 400 members, there could be a chance someone 
could live near you. 
Seeing first hand what is going on, would be easier to figure out what is going 
wrong. 

I wish you luck. and Please let us know ...? 

C.A.G. 

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From: deputytay...@hotmail.com 
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:55:51 AM 
Subject: Re: Joining 



I'm Mike and have been a member for a while now without posting. The reason I 
joined is to get some help with my 900. I purchased it about 8 years ago ( with 
ALL the fixtures and attachments and a router) and have never been able to get 
it to work correctly. Over the years I have tried projects but the unit just 
never lived up to expectations. The first thing to note is that when I received 
my unit the carriage was assembled backwards. After dealing with customer 
service and emailing pictures they confirmed this and after reversing it I was 
able to assemble it in accordance with the instruction. Since that time I have 
never been able to get the gears to align properly and backlash all over the 
unit is significant. The gear alignment problem was mentioned to customer 
service but they advised as long as they were turning each other this was 
normal. When the gears are turning they make a grinding noise. I have also 
noted that the V shaped gears engagement unit rides back and forth on the 
head-stock spindle and lead-screw spindle. . This travel is in the range of 3/4 
of an inch and it is what allows the gears to become misaligned. I have 
disassemble and reassembled the head gears several times and still can not get 
it right. I have been able to take the play out of the lead-screw spindle side 
by moving the upper guide rail to jam into the V unit. Anyone have any 
suggestions on how to fix this or what the check. 


On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 9:28:13 AM UTC-4, Curtis wrote: 


Hello Mike 
My name is Curtis. 

What kind of problems are you running into? 
Our group has over 400 members now. I am sure someone out there has run into 
the same type of problems you are finding. 
Let us know what is going on, and Perhaps we can fix your problems? 

C.A.G. 


From: deputy...@hotmail.com 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills+own...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:55:21 AM 
Subject: Joining 

Greetings 

I may already be a member of this group. I believe I joined a couple years ago 
but then left the country for some time. Can you advise, is the group still 
active? Am I a member? (Michael Taylor deputy...@hotmail.com ). I am 
desperately in need of help with my 900. I have had the unit for about 10 years 
and it has never worked right. 

Thanks Mike 







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Fwd: Joining

2017-09-14 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

I'm Mike and have been a member for a while now without posting. The reason I 
joined is to get some help with my 900. I purchased it about 8 years ago ( with 
ALL the fixtures and attachments and a router) and have never been able to get 
it to work correctly. Over the years I have tried projects but the unit just 
never lived up to expectations. The first thing to note is that when I received 
my unit the carriage was assembled backwards. After dealing with customer 
service and emailing pictures they confirmed this and  after reversing it I was 
able to assemble it in accordance with the instruction. Since that time I have 
never been able to get the gears to align properly and backlash all over the 
unit is significant. The gear alignment problem was mentioned to customer 
service but they advised as long as they were turning each other this was 
normal.  When the gears are turning they make a grinding noise. I have also 
noted that the V shaped gears engagement unit rides back and forth on the 
head-stock spindle and lead-screw spindle. .  This travel is in the range of 
3/4 of an inch and it is what allows the gears to become misaligned. I have 
disassemble and reassembled the head gears several times and still can not get 
it right. I have been able to take the play out of the lead-screw spindle side 
by moving the upper guide rail to jam into the V unit. Anyone have any 
suggestions on how to fix this or what the check. 


         



From: CURTIS GEORGE  
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:28 PM 
To: deputytay...@hotmail.com; Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: Re: Joining 
  
Hello Mike 
My name is Curtis. 

What kind of problems are you running into? 
Our group has over 400 members now. I am sure someone out there has run into 
the same type of problems you are finding. 
Let us know what is going on, and Perhaps we can fix your problems? 

C.A.G. 

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From: deputytay...@hotmail.com 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills+own...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:55:21 AM 
Subject: Joining 

Greetings 

 I may already be a member of this group. I believe I joined a couple years ago 
but then left the country for some time. Can you advise, is the group still 
active? Am I a member? (Michael Taylor deputytay...@hotmail.com). I am 
desperately in need of help with my 900. I have had the unit for about 10 years 
and it has never worked right. 

Thanks Mike   


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Re: Joining

2017-09-14 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Mike 
My name is Curtis. 

What kind of problems are you running into? 
Our group has over 400 members now. I am sure someone out there has run into 
the same type of problems you are finding. 
Let us know what is going on, and Perhaps we can fix your problems? 

C.A.G. 

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From: deputytay...@hotmail.com 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills+own...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:55:21 AM 
Subject: Joining 

Greetings 

I may already be a member of this group. I believe I joined a couple years ago 
but then left the country for some time. Can you advise, is the group still 
active? Am I a member? (Michael Taylor deputytay...@hotmail.com). I am 
desperately in need of help with my 900. I have had the unit for about 10 years 
and it has never worked right. 

Thanks Mike 

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Re: Help

2017-09-08 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hey Richard 
If you are going to buy a Shop Smith, GET the lathe Duplicator. I own one, and 
form what I have tried in the past, it is the Best duplicator that I have ever 
used. A-1 in my book, and well worth the money! If no to the SS dup. I would go 
with the Viel http://www.vieltools.com/prodcat.php?c=MzM= with the carbide 
cutter. (on first hand info on this one, but it looks neat on the video!)( I do 
own there carbide wheel, and it works very well for me... ) 

The wood lathe and the Legacy go hand in hand, as far as I am concerned. 
I wish you luck! 
More latter. 

C.A.G. 

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From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 2:36:33 AM 
Subject: Re: Help 

Martin 
Thanks for the info. I did find out what it was for when I was looking how to 
cut dovetails, a pic of it was staring me in the face as I have stated 
before senile decay has set in !!?? 
It seems to me a lot of trouble to just cut a few dovetails- I will 
stick to box joints. 
Martin, I have looked all through all the parts that you sold me with the Revo 
and can't find any of the "Templates " I have the bar that they bolt to ,but no 
plates if you come across them I will pay for the postage. Also A chap has a 
Shopsmith for sale He is giving up owing to bad health Let me have your private 
email and I will give you his Tel number 
Regards 
Richard 

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 8:36:16 PM UTC+1, ShopsmithUK wrote: 


Hello Richard, this has nothing to do with Legacy or Shopsmith. It did not come 
from me when you bought the REVO. You got this as part of the kit you bought 
from the person who sold you the Woodrat. Look in your Woodrat manual to find 
out how to use this jig. 

Martin (ShopsmithUK) 


On Monday, 4 September 2017 19:15:46 UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote: 



The items shown came with the Revo when I bought it. Has anyone an idea what 
it's for ?? The bit on top is MDF as is the rest of it. Am wondering if it 
belong to a Shopsmith. 
Thanks 
Richard 









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Re: Legacy mill under water

2017-09-04 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Water its self will not hurt the Legacy, but after the machine will be needing 
a good strip down cleaning and re-waxing of all of the move able parts. as long 
as the machine is dried out properly, and then cleaned and lubricated, the 
Legacy should be fine. 
If this machine is a CNC unit. ??? get a lot of rice. ;-) (I don't want to 
began with the electronic elements...) 

C.A.G. 

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From: jwb...@windstream.net 
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 9:01:18 PM 
Subject: Legacy mill under water 

Someone that is in a facebook group has a Legacy mill, that was under 7.5 feet 
of water. I am wondering if anyone has had this problem and what he should look 
for when cleaning his up? Thanks 

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Re: Help

2017-09-04 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

The MDF looks factory made, It is not Shop Smith product, and if Legacy made 
it? I never seen one before. 
It looks to me like it could be a horizontal router base? (but that is just a 
guess.) 

I will get back with you latter. 
Have a good day. 

C.A.G. 

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From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 2:15:46 PM 
Subject: Help 

The items shown came with the Revo when I bought it. Has anyone an idea what 
it's for ?? The bit on top is MDF as is the rest of it. Am wondering if it 
belong to a Shopsmith. 
Thanks 
Richard 



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Re: New Legacy video on youtube

2017-08-22 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Didn't that set-up have its own lathe attachment, using a drill for the 
motor...? If so Russ, you might have some more goodies to show with your 
set-up? 

C.A.G. 

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From: "carstenstigers"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:53:45 AM 
Subject: RE: New Legacy video on youtube 

Bought mine at the woodworking shows here in the states. Was a new and got 
soaked as it came with all sorts of accessories but have used it a bunch over 
the years. I have a dvd it came with some where, I will see if I can locate it. 
It shows how to do a whole bunch of stuff I never did 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone 

 Original message  
From: Russ Veinot  
Date: 8/22/17 08:38 (GMT-05:00) 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: New Legacy video on youtube 

I do have a vice for vises :>) I own 2 zyliss’s. I bought one with no 
accessories (less than $20) and the second one was the whole package in its 
original case ($50). I keep one on the LOM milling table and one on my 
workbench. 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bawdsey64 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:42 AM 
To: Bill Bulkeley; Mike Pung 
Subject: RE: New Legacy video on youtube 

Hi Bill 

Second hand in UK you pay between $35 & $70 for Zyliss Vise, new with taxes 
around double that. If you need a manual or video to fully utilise it then just 
Google as it is all out there you tight wad! 
Cheers 

Roger 

Sent from TouchMail for Windows 10 

From: Bill Bulkeley 

Received: 22/08/2017 10:34:50 +01:00 

To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

a zyliss vise so that’s what they are I bought mine at a garage sale for 5 
bucks didn’t know what it was it just looked handy he wanted 10 but I talked 
him down to 5 I imagine they are a bit more expensive than that but. 

Bill 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot 
Sent: Tuesday, 22 August 2017 11:14 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: New Legacy video on youtube 

Thanks bill. I plan on making a clip to attach to different rulers. As to the 
“multivice thingos”, it’s a zyliss vise. I love that thingo :>) it’s like the 
swiss army knife of vises. Do search on youtube on the name and you’ll find 
several demo videos. It was worth every penny I paid for it on ebay. Don’t tell 
anyone, I am addicted to vises like others are addicted to plum bobs, 
handplanes, or handsaws, or . . . well, you get the idea. I’ll do a video on my 
milling table soon (If interested) and show how I use the vise. 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 5:09 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: New Legacy video on youtube 

Really neat idea for the ruler russ i like it .i think i might incorporate a 
locking screw rather than tape to hold it but its a really neat idea 

I like your vertical vice too i see in the video i have one of those multivice 
thingos as well i might work that into my legacy as well 

Bill 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of russ veinot 
Sent: Tuesday, 22 August 2017 4:51 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: New Legacy video on youtube 

I just posted a new LOM video on youtube. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox2sQh5LNpI 

it's about how to zero out x, y, & z axis and how to make a story stick for 
your work. all comments are welcomed. 

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Re: New Legacy video on youtube

2017-08-22 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hey Russ 
Nice job on that table!!! I like all your methods of holding the wood that you 
came up with. (it makes my table, look down right boring!) ;-p 

Keep up the good work. 

more latter. 

C.A.G. 

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From: "russ veinot"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:03:38 PM 
Subject: Re: New Legacy video on youtube 

I just posted a new video about my flat milling table and Zyliss vise. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7pH00LotS8 , all comments are welcomed. 








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Russ V's Legacy dust collection set-up...

2017-08-20 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvtOb84CmRw 

Hello Everyone, I'm sorry if this has been talked about already , but I just 
saw Russ's video for the first time, and I thought others with-in our group 
would like to see this as well. (I've been away on vacation, and then home 
re-modeling and work to do once I got back...IN SHORT, I have not had much free 
time to ketch up with you all...) 

Nice Job Russ. 

When I did my dust guard a few years ago, I made mine out of wire screen, I 
found out the screen let the air go through but stopped the chips and dust, I 
don't know if you have tried anything like screen or not Russ? It might help 
keep the dust down more? but I do very much like your dust bin / trash bin that 
really would make clean up much easier. 

Keep up the good work, I like your videos! 

Thank you. 

C.A.G. 

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Re: making a tap for the 5/8-4 acme thread

2017-08-16 Thread Curtis


Hello everyone! ;-)
tonight while driving home form work, I was re-thinking this problem of 
making a new half nut with out using a acme tap. (sorry Joe, I needed to 
re-run some of Gilligan's Island here.) ;-p

I had two thoughts on this topic. the first one is to drill a 5/8" hole (or 
slightly larger) and then drill across the rod/ lead screw, to add a pin. 
This pin could be used as a tooth to follow the lead screw. ( I can think 
of a number of different ways to align the tooth angle, but the easiest way 
is to lay a rod in the threads of the screw and then space the angle out 
with a block the get the correct angle for the drilling of the hole.) 

:Later (still driving in construction zone.) (its a long drive!)  I thought 
about instead of adding a rod, why not a ball bearing or two? A free 
spinning ball bearing with a spring or??? (some way of adding tench-en. 
would be needed.) (Perhaps a calm clamp could be used to hold tench-en and 
make a quick release ??? ) My thinking is a ball bearing would be easier to 
align then a pin,..

There is always More then one way to do almost anything. Just because you 
do not have the correct ... TOOL, doesn't mean  that you can not find 
another way to get the job done.  [ "Think out side the box" ]  

Im going to hit the hay now.
Have a good night (or good morning) All.
C.A.G.






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Re: making a tap for the 5/8-4 acme thread

2017-08-10 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Mac 
I've been away for two weeks, and had not checked all my e-mails. I did not 
mean to steel you thunder on this topic. 

But as I said on the first half of this topic. epoxy putty's just might fill 
the gap... (excuse the pun) to make your split nut. (in my way of thinking, if 
it can be drilled and tapped,) I believe it too could be used to make a split 
nut for the Legacy. for the price of the product, either idea should work out 
well for this job. 

I mean even if you owned a tap, you would still have to work the part, after 
being tapped, to make it usable for the machine. 

More latter. 
C.A.G. 

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From: "MWF"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:17:03 AM 
Subject: Re: making a tap for the 5/8-4 acme thread 

Hi Curtis (and all others), 

The HDPE route is what I suggested a week ago. And as for the cut-offs and 
shavings - save them and add them into the next batch you melt. The ultimate in 
a "recyclable product"! We can't really do that with our wood. 

By the way, if you want colors (or to make some "swirly" billets, check out 
plastic coffee canisters and other containers in your kitchen. Maxwell House is 
blue and Folgers is red. One of them sell their decaf in green. They are all 
HDPE. Check the bottoms of your plastic containers for the Recycle triangle - 
you are looking for the #2 - which is HDPE. I just checked my wife's laundry 
room - and there are a variety of colors in jugs labeled as being HDPE. So you 
have a wide choice of colors if you choose to make some split nuts (or anything 
else) from HDPE. 

Be aware that Tim points out that HDPE is not a particularly hard (durable?) 
plastic. But I think given the "price", making one this way might be worth the 
try - not to mention kind of fun. You can think of it as "big kids' Play 
Dough". 
And if it doesn't work well, melt it back down and make a Pulley, Pen, or 
Pepper Mill out of it. 
Since they put milk and coffee in it, I'll bet it is "food safe". 

I can't wait to see what "NY Joe" (Biuno) makes using the above. He'll probably 
go to a nearby car wash and get one or more of their 55 gallon drums made from 
HDPE. He'll then impress us, once again, with his wizardry and mastery of 
manufacturing. 

Have a great day everybody! 

Mac 




-Original Message- 
From: Curtis 
Sent: Aug 10, 2017 10:39 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: making a tap for the 5/8-4 acme thread 

Hello Everyone, Im back! ;-) 

Joe I like your 1x8 tap. I have made one as well, very much like what you show, 
and it too works well. 

But I have another idea to get to the same end. 

How about using an Epoxy puddy to make your half split nut for the Legacy? 

If you wax your acme screw well to epoxy will not stick to your lead screw. 
once the puddy is cured, it can be shaped and taped to fit your machine. I have 
no idea on how long this will last? but it will make a split nut easy enough to 
fit the bill. 

Another idea is to make a mold with a section of your acme screw and melt some 
HDPE old milk jugs. ??? much like what this man dose in this video. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erlZ-FdBB2I&t=61s 

Gota run now. 
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Re: making a tap for the 5/8-4 acme thread

2017-08-10 Thread Curtis

Hello Everyone, Im back! ;-)

Joe I like your 1x8 tap. I have made one as well, very much like what you 
show, and it too works well.

But I have another idea to get to the same end.

How about using an Epoxy puddy  to make your half split nut for the Legacy?

If you wax your acme screw well to epoxy will not stick to your lead screw. 
once the puddy is cured, it can be shaped and taped to fit your machine. I 
have no idea on how long this will last? but it will make a split nut easy 
enough to fit the bill. 

Another idea is to make a mold with a section of your acme screw and melt 
some 
 HDPE old milk jugs. ??? much like what this man dose in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erlZ-FdBB2I&t=61s

Gota run now. 
Have a good day. everyone.
C.A.G.



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MODEL 600 for sale.

2017-07-28 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello again!

Now this is more up to my Speed.
for the starting price this could be a very good deal for someone

C.A.G.

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Re: New Coke bottle

2017-07-20 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello to everyone. 
Joe I use almost any router bit that I can get my hands on. 
Magnate bits have always been good bits, at a fare price. (In my book.) 

I have a Rockler wood working as well as a Wood Craft store in my area, NOW 
THERE Router bits are pricey! ( A reminder you normally get what you pay for. 
so watch out. If you buy cheep, that is what you might get... just a general 
rule of thumb.) 

I would also like to note, steel working End Mills can be a good find and a 
nice price, 1/2" or 1/4" (I also buy 3/8") shanks, The two or three flutes end 
mills, work best. I normally ask for milling bits that are made to cut Alum. 
( Wood like Alum. is soft, it can clog up the gullet/flute of the cutter, 
causing it load up and burn. a general rule, the less flutes and bigger the 
gullet, to get reed of the chips...) 

Have a good night. 
talk to you all more latter. 

C.A.G. 



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From: "Joe Gassen"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:03:05 PM 
Subject: Re: New Coke bottle 

Looks good. I have not done anything with the legacy lately but I am getting 
ready to do several turned table legs..What bit supplier are y'all using. 
Magnate seems a bit high. 
I would certainly be interested in a "layout package" if some one is willing to 
part with one 

Thx 

Joe 

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Hello everyone 
Its vacation time again, and things have been a little slow with new topics 
here on the Group forum . 

This is not my best work, but ... At least its a step in the right direction. 
I used the pendulum router jig ,And the indexing disks on my Legacy, to make 
the fluting in the bottom of the bottle, 

Please let me know what you think? 

C.A.G. 



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Re: legacys new clamps

2017-07-13 Thread CURTIS GEORGE


Hello Everyone 
Just found an old picture of my hold down table. 
As I said its a saw blade hold down, wedge the wood in-between the teeth, then 
tighten down the brackets for the bottom. the teeth bite in and the clamping 
action holds the work down on the table. 
Easy and it dose what was needed. 
Just my 2 cents worth... 
C.A.G. 




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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:41:14 AM 
Subject: RE: legacys new clamps 



The main design idea of this lock is that it pushes the lock downward while 
squeezing the piece on its edge only. This is significantly different from most 
locks (like my wonder pups). 

I can be as thrifty as the next guy (like I explain in my grr-rriper video on 
Youtube). Even though I am now retired, sometimes I just spoil myself. 
Sometimes a good quality tool or accessory is worth the price (sometimes not). 
My main point was this tool seems to be a quality made and well designed. not 
always the case with high priced tools. 

Have a terrific day. 




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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:26 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: legacys new clamps 





In my opinion time is money if in business Maybe worth it !!!??? However I am 
not,, and a good lot of Legacy manual mill owners are not,, so they are not for 
me .If I cant make a couple of clamps to hold things I shall give up and 
vegetate more quickly. 


I have just managed to put a motor to the Revo Spindle, Testing today will let 
you know what happens, No doubt I shall have to make a clamp or two to hold it 
whilst testing--won't cost 70 dollars . 


Cheers 


Richard 



On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:42:26 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dv3qfYPlKE&feature=em-uploademail 



what do you all think of these new clamps from legacy .they look like they 
might be quite good id probably buy a couple and try them but legacy has no way 
to buy online that I know of for international so that’s never going to happen. 

I would like to hear any feedback if anyone can manage to buy a set. 



Bill 




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Re: legacys new clamps

2017-07-13 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Guys. 
I have made my own hold downs over the years. 
My first TABLE was a just a board with used band saw blade wedged into a slot 
in my hold down block, (solid back rail, and floating front rail.) I used two 
rails with the teeth running in different orientation from each other. (for 
better holding power.) this table worked very well for me for years. (sorry I 
can not find any pictures of this set-at this time.) (but these pic. should be 
found under this topic in our archives...) The idea was to to set the blades 
teeth at 1/8" from the bottom of the table. I had slots cut in the table for 
adjustment. I slid the rails so that they touch the work pieces, the hold down 
blocks were cut just off,from flat, so when I tightened the blocks down (done 
form under the table.) the teeth would bight deeper into the wood. only leave a 
few pin pricks on the sides of the wood. and I never had a work piece thrown 
form my table in the past. 

More latter. 
I have to go. 
Have a good day. 
C.A.G. 

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From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:26:09 AM 
Subject: Re: legacys new clamps 

In my opinion time is money if in business Maybe worth it !!!??? However I am 
not,, and a good lot of Legacy manual mill owners are not,, so they are not for 
me .If I cant make a couple of clamps to hold things I shall give up and 
vegetate more quickly. 
I have just managed to put a motor to the Revo Spindle, Testing today will let 
you know what happens, No doubt I shall have to make a clamp or two to hold it 
whilst testing--won't cost 70 dollars . 
Cheers 
Richard 

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:42:26 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dv3qfYPlKE&feature=em-uploademail 



what do you all think of these new clamps from legacy .they look like they 
might be quite good id probably buy a couple and try them but legacy has no way 
to buy online that I know of for international so that’s never going to happen. 

I would like to hear any feedback if anyone can manage to buy a set. 



Bill 








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Re: Thin Stock Suport

2017-07-09 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Thanks Bill 
That is what I asked for. but what I should have said was, how big will it 
hold? I would guess 3/4" and down? 

I like the design, it almost looks factory made. ;-) 
I hope you have a good weekend. 
talk to you and all more latter. 
C.A.G. 

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Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:33:30 PM 
Subject: RE: Thin Stock Suport 



Slide the 2 halves in and out its a thin stock support not a steady rest when 
the material is too large to fit it doesn’t need to be supported. 



Bill 






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Subject: Re: Thin Stock Suport 





Hello Bill 


Very nice steady rest. 


How do you adjust it for different stock sizes? 





C.A.G. 



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From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 3:16:24 AM 
Subject: RE: Thin Stock Suport 





Here are the pictures of my revo thin stock support as promised 



Bill 




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Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2017 7:29 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Thin Stock Suport 





Bill 


I guessed that you would reply, thanks anyway. 


What I have just been into the shed and done is to get one Revo table support 
complete with clamps. Instead of putting it on the proper way I put the top 
rail fastening into the bottom rail then clamped a bit of Delrin so that it 
just touches the cane It is a little too flexible but am working on it !!!??? 


Have just come in to see the spot marking indexing sticky dot /labels ---round 
ones. write up. I have the little labels in different colours 


Richard 

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:55:22 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 


They didn’t make one for the revo but I did I will take a pic later and show 
you 



Bill 




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legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2017 5:02 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Thin Stock Suport 





Just wondering if anyone has any knowledge of a thin stock support for the REVO 


i:e full length 1/2" dia.canes 


Cheers 


Richard 


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Re: Thin Stock Suport

2017-07-09 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Bill 
Very nice steady rest. 
How do you adjust it for different stock sizes? 

C.A.G. 

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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 3:16:24 AM 
Subject: RE: Thin Stock Suport 



Here are the pictures of my revo thin stock support as promised 



Bill 




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Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2017 7:29 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Thin Stock Suport 





Bill 


I guessed that you would reply, thanks anyway. 


What I have just been into the shed and done is to get one Revo table support 
complete with clamps. Instead of putting it on the proper way I put the top 
rail fastening into the bottom rail then clamped a bit of Delrin so that it 
just touches the cane It is a little too flexible but am working on it !!!??? 


Have just come in to see the spot marking indexing sticky dot /labels ---round 
ones. write up. I have the little labels in different colours 


Richard 

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:55:22 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 


They didn’t make one for the revo but I did I will take a pic later and show 
you 



Bill 




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legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2017 5:02 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Thin Stock Suport 





Just wondering if anyone has any knowledge of a thin stock support for the REVO 


i:e full length 1/2" dia.canes 


Cheers 


Richard 


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Re: Finial for a bowl made on my Revo

2017-07-05 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Wow! 
Nice Job David. 
I have not use African Black-wood before. How dose it handle on the Revo? 
I mean, I know black-wood is very much liked in the OT (Ornamental Turning) 
world, because it is hard and takes fine details, but on the REVO? lots of 
light cuts? or ??? How dose this wood turn? 

It would also be nice to show the work piece set up while on the Revo. (for 
future postings.) I don't want to sound greedy, but I want to know everything 
about a project like this. 
Awesome work . 
Thank you for sharing with us David. 
C.A.G. 

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From: i...@andurildesigns.com 
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:10:47 AM 
Subject: Finial for a bowl made on my Revo 

Thanks for letting me part of this group! 

Attached are two photos of a finial made from African blackwood for the lid of 
a bowl. I made this on my Revo with the rails tilted as much as possible. I 
mounted the blackwood blank by drilling a hole for a pen tube and using an 
expanding pen chuck (for making closed-end pens), and then putting this pen 
chuck into a drill chuck that screws onto the threads of the Revo. 

The last bit of the twist had to be done by hand. One photo shows the finial, 
which has one coat of shellac prior to getting several coats of polyurethane, 
mounted on the top of the lid, made from blackwood and maple burl. 

David R Ferry 
andurildesigns.com 



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Re: How would you make this?

2017-07-05 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello and Good morning, to all. 
Thank you both Mike and Tom. I've been playing around with both of these 
concepts, there pro's and con's. since I found this puzzle some two weeks ago. 
I was hoping someone out there may have tried something like this in there 
past. I have not found anything quite like this bottle done on any 
turning or scroll saw web site in the net. 

If anyone else has any info. on anything like this Please post what you have. 
When time allows, I guess I will just have to try it for my self? 
But until then... 

Have a good day, Everyone. 
C.A.G. 


- Original Message -

From: "Tom Dotta"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:01:55 AM 
Subject: Re: How would you make this? 

Question? and I don't know the answer. Could it be turned after doing the 
'puzzle' cuts in the square and stay together just from the tailstock pressure 
while turning round? Tom D 

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) < legacym...@iglide.net 
> wrote: 





After the turning is done, you make the first cut with a scroll saw or a band 
saw. Turn it 90º and make the second cut, remove that piece and turn 90º again 
and repeat all the way down to the last cut at the bottom. Good find 

Mike OK 

On 7/4/2017 7:34 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote: 



Hello Everyone 
I found this at a garage sale, $5.00 is what I paid for it. ( I think it was a 
good deal?) But the bigger question IS? 

How can I make something like this? If I turn a bottle first? how do you hold 
the wood for the cuts? 
If I cut the wood square first. how do you hold it together while turning??? 

I am assuming that some kind of paper template will be needed before the cuts 
can be made. and after each cut the work piece must be turned to make the 
second cut... 


What I would like to do, is make something like this, but not as fancy, and 
make it into a puzzle box, and put a small prize inside the box. 
I have made square puzzle boxes in the past, but not one that was/is round... 

Any and All ideas are welcome. 

C.A.G. 
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Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ??

2017-06-30 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

I'm Sure It can,. 
If you add???perhaps a plastic  or felt slide under the wood, (to help reduce 
friction)  and then  keep the bolts snug (not tight). then I see not reason why 
the  Legacy's carriage could  not push it . (As a matter of fact, I had planed 
to try just that, latter, in my testing of this concept.) 
At this point almost anything is possible, It all depends on what you want it 
to do. And how you plan to make that happen. ;-)  
  
Tomorrow is Saturday, I plan to get up early and play with this set-up more 
tomorrow. I will let you know how it turns out. 
  
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Russ Veinot"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 5:18:31 PM 
Subject: RE: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 



So it is stationary when used.  Can it be attached to the carriage to be 
moveable? 

  


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 11:46 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  


Hello Russ 


this is just an attachment that can be removed easily,  when not in use. 


If you look at the picture the two Tee Nuts brass knobs on one side, (in the 
picture, there are 4 nuts holding it down onto the rails.)  can be un-screwed 
and this unit will slide out from the rails. (one top support bracket must also 
be undone as well.) but it only take a few seconds to remove this attachment. 


My plan is to use this attachment as a detail addiction, for some of my 
turnings. I like the look of the arcing cuts. 


If you read the Fine Wood working clip, that I posted, this set up can be 
reversed. thus making inside and outside arching curved cuts.  this should be 
NEAT for adding details on to bowls and platters, as well as spindles. 


  


Although? I could see someone modifying this set-up and using it for a Z axis.  
(anything is possible.)  but that is not my plan at this time. 


But having said that, Perhaps a more refined version just may be in the 
works... ;-) 


  


Have a good night. 


C.A.G. 


  
- Original Message -



From: "Russ Veinot" < ru...@yknotwood.com > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 7:53:11 PM 
Subject: RE: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  


One more question:  is this set up your primary router now or an attachment 
that can be remove? 

  


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:40 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  


Hi Russ 


Yes the holes are for height control. but they also serve as positioning locks, 
I can turn the router 90 deg. and do some limited face plate turning as well. 


 The idea was to use this jig to add details onto some of  my spindles and or 
bowls. I got the idea form a old fine working mag. article I read a while back, 


If  I want to go wild, this idea could be made larger and turned into a Z axis 
+  but for now its just a detail jig. for my machine.  


 "Oh"... and I Yes (to answer Bills question) It could be used for flat work 
milling as well, perhaps a concaved serving tray?  but I have not thought of 
doing that for a while. My hope is to gain 


some more skill using this jig before I go off track. looking at all the 
possibility's... 


  


C.A.G. 


  



From: "Russ Veinot" < ru...@yknotwood.com > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 7:10:08 PM 
Subject: RE: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  


Oh, and one more thing , don’t quit your day job :>D,  just kidding.  Do those 
holes give it height control? 

  


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 5:48 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  

Just saw all your pics.  I am calling it “ Georgenstein” :>) 

  


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:41 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  


Russ you have been away for a while now.  talk about ugly, have you seen my Z 
axis? "MAN" it's a Frankenstein Monster. But it dose exactly what I want it to 
do. I don't care what it looks like, it what I can do with it to make what I 
want, that is  what counts. 


I say keep up the good work! and never stop trying to make your world a better 
place. ;-) 


  


C.A.G. 



From: "Russ Veinot" < ru..

Re: requesting to join Legacy Ornamental Mills

The REVO in action! 

"Man" the wood that he is using is beautiful! 

Dave should be able to chime in soon. People do not relies it takes a few 
posting before the system can get to know who you are. 
We have had over 40 new people with in the last 6 months ASK to join our group, 
and sadly very few of them ever sine in on the topics. (Not wanting to start a 
RANT here and now. People Please start talking? The goal of this group is to 
learn, and share info. Everyone can offer something to this group.) 
"Doc" you are the 416 member. 

Have a good night everyone. 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

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Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 12:49:52 AM 
Subject: RE: requesting to join Legacy Ornamental Mills 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4 



here as well 



Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 2:02 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: requesting to join Legacy Ornamental Mills 





https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=lKBM8siXkz8 


Is also on his web site... 





Good job Dave. 





C.A.G. 



- Original Message -



From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:23:36 PM 
Subject: RE: requesting to join Legacy Ornamental Mills 





Hey guys check this guys web page out he really does great work I found him and 
asked him to join us. https://www.andurildesigns.com/ 





Welcome to our group I really love your candle sticks 



Bill 




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Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:25 AM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: requesting to join Legacy Ornamental Mills 





Welcome TO The Group, Doc. 


I will send you a private e-mail/ welcome intro latter this evening. 


C.A.G. 





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little thing about as far as it can go, but I'm always interested in what 
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Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ??

Woops! 1985 not 92. that is where it is from. LOOK on the bottom of the second 
page. 

C.A.G. 

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From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 12:18:53 AM 
Subject: Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


HI Guys this is the link ... that got me thinking of trying something new. 

C.A.G. 


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=lKBM8siXkz8 
Is also on his web site... 

Good job Dave. 

C.A.G. 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:23:36 PM 
Subject: RE: requesting to join Legacy Ornamental Mills 



Hey guys check this guys web page out he really does great work I found him and 
asked him to join us. https://www.andurildesigns.com/ 





Welcome to our group I really love your candle sticks 



Bill 




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To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
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Welcome TO The Group, Doc. 


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little thing about as far as it can go, but I'm always interested in what 
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Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ??

Hi Russ 
Yes the holes are for height control. but they also serve as positioning locks, 
I can turn the router 90 deg. and do some limited face plate turning as well. 
 The idea was to use this jig to add details onto some of  my spindles and or 
bowls. I got the idea form a old fine working mag. article I read a while back, 
If  I want to go wild, this idea could be made larger and turned into a Z axis 
+  but for now its just a detail jig. for my machine.  
 "Oh"... and I Yes (to answer Bills question) It could be used for flat work 
milling as well, perhaps a concaved serving tray?  but I have not thought of 
doing that for a while. My hope is to gain 
some more skill using this jig before I go off track. looking at all the 
possibility's... 
  
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Russ Veinot"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 7:10:08 PM 
Subject: RE: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 



Oh, and one more thing , don’t quit your day job :>D,  just kidding.  Do those 
holes give it height control? 

  


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 5:48 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  

Just saw all your pics.  I am calling it “ Georgenstein” :>) 

  


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:41 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  


Russ you have been away for a while now.  talk about ugly, have you seen my Z 
axis? "MAN" it's a Frankenstein Monster. But it dose exactly what I want it to 
do. I don't care what it looks like, it what I can do with it to make what I 
want, that is  what counts. 


I say keep up the good work! and never stop trying to make your world a better 
place. ;-) 


  


C.A.G. 



From: "Russ Veinot" < ru...@yknotwood.com > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:11:15 AM 
Subject: RE: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  


All my prototypes are ugly :>)   When you see version 2.0  made of wood (of 
course) it will be much prettier. maybe someone else can make their own version 
and show us how nice they can make it. 


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 1:42 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  


Yes, I do like innovation , but the use of wood seems to make it look a bit 
heavy/ ugly (my opinion ) 


I bought a Woodrat 900 when the Person who had changed his mind on selling his 
Revo The Dewalt router was on it and also the plunge bar, which I like. 


My old Woodchuck.. I have fitted the Large Triton router and that is very easy 
to control the up and down movements. 


Unfortunately the Plunge Bar can't be fitted easily to the Tritons,  


Richard 


  


On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 7:13:17 PM UTC+1, yknotwood wrote: 


Everybody does it differently.  This has worked for me and I spent less than 
$20 in total.  How much does the Woodrat plunge bar cost?  How long does it 
take to attach and set up the Woodrat plunge bar?  Not sure what you mean by 
“wood for Z Axis fittings”.  

  

  


From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 12:52 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  


My Router has a Woodrat plunge bar fitted, it would be quite easy to control 
the pinch effect by making a screw thread and half nut, 


Video--- not too keen on wood for Z Axis fittings 


Richard 


  


On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 5:54:48 PM UTC+1, yknotwood wrote: 


FYI, I have downloaded a video to youtube on my channel (russ veinot) about the 
improved Z axis control.  Please leave comments. 

  


From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Russ Veinot 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:12 AM 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 


  

  

I posted this last September but I felt the need to show this again.  Bill’s 
version is awesome but seems to be a lot of work.  Since I have the PC plunge 
router. I take advantage of the spring action of the router.  It is just 2 
upright pieces of plywood and a cross piece between them.  I mounted a shop fox 
press screw above the router and the screw action pushes the router down and 
the router springs lift it back up up.  Less than an hour to make this and I 
have accurate control of dept

requesting to join Legacy Ornamental Mills

Welcome TO The Group, Doc. 
I will send you a private e-mail/ welcome intro latter this evening. 
C.A.G. 

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an old Revo Legacy mill upon which I make all the twists. I've pushed the poor 
little thing about as far as it can go, but I'm always interested in what 
others have been able to make their mills do. It would be fun to be in this 
group. 
  
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Re: head stone

"THE Man" is back!  
Looks good Bill. 
C.A.G. 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 7:40:05 PM 
Subject: head stone 



I had a different job come through my shop a wood headstone for a guys wife’s 
grave. 

He wanted just a relief cut in it to mount a plaque no other machining not my 
thing but whatever the costumer wants he gets 

It was too big to set up on the rails so I put make shift rails lower 
underneath and mounted the wood on chipboard with wedges 

So I could move it around if needed without having to reset it up again. it 
worked ok. 

I know this is not a very exciting job but it is legacy so I thought id post 
it. 

Bill 

   


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Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ??





I have set the wheels in motion for getting a drive motor/ speed control, limit 
switches etc for the Revo, 







I already have the leadscrew motor on the Woodchuck,, absolute godsend and even 
more so with the spindle drive motor that I have fitted----Vari.speed. 







As Curtis mentioned in a past post it allows for a more relaxed time in the 
shop and allows one time to do other things.such as keeping out of the 
way of wood chips and router dust!? 







In my next post I will say how I have mounted my Revo to a bench, in an effort 
to save space, and get to front and rear of it 







Regards 







Richard 







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Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ??

2017-06-27 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

 Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 




I’d love to tell you Richard but unfortunately along with all my original 
legacy stuff it was lost in the fire that took everything I owned 



I had to start all over again it on my list of things to remake 

Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Tuesday, 27 June 2017 9:54 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 









Bill What are the dimensions and size of the alloy plate/s?? I think that tilt 
is a great idea. 


Richard 


http://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/tilting-z-axis/index.html 



which let me do things like in this 

http://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/Candlestick/index.html 



and also this could be made as well even though i did it on a modified revo 

http://www.ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/bolts/index.html 



having a z axis and tilting it opens up a whole new area of ornamental milling. 
in my opinion that’s what is the advantage of a z axis 



Bill 






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legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Tuesday, 27 June 2017 7:52 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Z axis advantage or disadvantage ?? 





Can someone explain the advantage of having an Z axis as opposed to a plunge 
router. 


I have both the Woodchuck and the Revo, and the best, in my opinion and it may 
be only my opinion and not others!!! 





These two LOM's seem to work well together. Although the Revo rails could be a 
little longer 





I have set the wheels in motion for getting a drive motor/ speed control, limit 
switches etc for the Revo, 


I already have the leadscrew motor on the Woodchuck,, absolute godsend and even 
more so with the spindle drive motor that I have fitted----Vari.speed. 


As Curtis mentioned in a past post it allows for a more relaxed time in the 
shop and allows one time to do other things.such as keeping out of the 
way of wood chips and router dust!? 


In my next post I will say how I have mounted my Revo to a bench, in an effort 
to save space, and get to front and rear of it 


Regards 


Richard 


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Re: Ornamental bowl twist (two sides to the same project.)

2017-06-21 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Woops! I sent this to the group. 

We were talking about different turning materials, Those Banksia pods are not 
cheap. since I had mine for a number of years, I had no idea on what the price 
was to buy them. I found the price ranging form $15.00 to $25.00 each. (Granted 
I know, that they need to be picked by someone, and then packaged up, and 
shipped 1000's of miles to get anywhere. so I know the price would not be free. 
but... Wow! 

So I need a different turning materiel to play with. 
ANY and All ideas are welcome. 
more latter. 

C.A.G. 

 
HI Bill 
I have used plywood for many turnings, I've tried O.S.B. (chip board) with some 
Good success. 
I've seen wood turners find rotted wood, and then stabilize it with some kind 
of risen.(?) I've seen corn cob pipes, and pens made out of cat-tail ( a water 
grown weed) I know a man who uses old bowling balls to make pens for turning. 
and another who uses paint over spray,from a factory spray booth. to make 
pendents and small ornaments. and lets not forget our fire wood pile, there may 
be a treasure in there as well. 

I'm sure with a little luck and perhaps just a good eye, You Never know? 
anything is possible. 
I for one have been wanting to look into bone, horn and antler... as used as 
wood tuning idioms for projects. as a matter of fact, I just saw a knife handle 
made out of turned leather. 
Perhaps your bottles and caps idea could be made to work as well? Who knows 
perhaps plastic and wheat grass could be made to turn??? 

I have seen in the Legacy videos where they use a product called Float Stone. 
and Corrion, as well as Plexiglas was also used in a video. 
So you can see ANYTHING is possible. when there is a will to do something. 
Keep an open eye. 
talk to you more latter. 
Have a good night. 

C.A.G. 

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Laminated pallet wood, old broken pallets are usually free here, its the 
disassembling milling and glueing so labour intensive im not fond of. I guess 
if there was anything better we would be using it instead of wood. Melting 
plastic bottles and caps but its too flexible to mill properly in lengths so i 
don’t know of anything yet 

Bill 










Thank you. 


Bye the way those pods are not cheap now. I was thinking $7.00 each, but the 
price is closer to $17.00 and up. 





I will be looking for a new material to play with. 





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Fwd: Ornamental bowl twist (two sides to the same project.)

2017-06-21 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

- Forwarded Message -

From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: "Bill Bulkeley"  
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:45:48 AM 
Subject: Re: Ornamental bowl twist (two sides to the same project.) 

HI Bill 
I have used plywood for many turnings, I've tried O.S.B. (chip board) with some 
Good success. 
I've seen wood turners find rotted wood, and then stabilize it with some kind 
of risen.(?) I've seen corn cob pipes, and pens made out of cat-tail ( a water 
grown weed) I know a man who uses old bowling balls to make pens for turning. 
and another who uses paint over spray,from a factory spray booth. to make 
pendents and small ornaments. and lets not forget our fire wood pile, there may 
be a treasure in there as well. 

I'm sure with a little luck and perhaps just a good eye, You Never know? 
anything is possible. 
I for one have been wanting to look into bone, horn and antler... as used as 
wood tuning idioms for projects. as a matter of fact, I just saw a knife handle 
made out of turned leather. 
Perhaps your bottles and caps idea could be made to work as well? Who knows 
perhaps plastic and wheat grass could be made to turn??? 

I have seen in the Legacy videos where they use a product called Float Stone. 
and Corrion, as well as Plexiglas was also used in a video. 
So you can see ANYTHING is possible. when there is a will to do something. 
Keep an open eye. 
talk to you more latter. 
Have a good night. 

C.A.G. 

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From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: curtgeo...@wowway.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 9:07:47 PM 
Subject: RE: Ornamental bowl twist (two sides to the same project.) 

Laminated pallet wood, old broken pallets are usually free here, its the 
disassembling milling and glueing so labour intensive im not fond of. I guess 
if there was anything better we would be using it instead of wood. Melting 
plastic bottles and caps but its too flexible to mill properly in lengths so i 
don’t know of anything yet 

Bill 

From: CURTIS GEORGE [mailto:curtgeo...@wowway.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2017 9:41 AM 
To: Bill Bulkeley 
Subject: Re: Ornamental bowl twist (two sides to the same project.) 

Thank you. 

Bye the way those pods are not cheap now. I was thinking $7.00 each, but the 
price is closer to $17.00 and up. 

I will be looking for a new material to play with. 

C.A.G. 

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From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: curtgeo...@wowway.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 6:18:30 PM 
Subject: RE: Ornamental bowl twist (two sides to the same project.) 

Again great the pod really does make a very interesting and different middle 

From: CURTIS GEORGE [mailto:curtgeo...@wowway.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2017 2:00 AM 
To: Bulkeley, Bill; LATHAM, MAX 
Subject: Ornamental bowl twist (two sides to the same project.) 

there are two sides to this. 

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Fwd: going square/with a twist.

2017-06-21 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Good morning Richard 
Those indexing disks will work with any type of cut, (cutting form the top, or 
side. roping, fluting...) The beauty is simplicity . 

Now if I could get Joe (and some others in our group.) to start playing around 
with this concept, I know we would all get to see, not only its full potential 
of the disks, but the Art of how it could be done, ( I have to admit, I can get 
things to work, but Joe makes things look better.) ;-) 

Hey guys! lets see if we can get something going? I have two ideas here. One 
the Pods, and the other the indexing disks. 
I would like the challenge you all to take a closer look, 
Try making some indexing plates, and use them, and or How many ways can you use 
these Pods? Even on the net, bowls and pens are mainly the only idioms being 
made with this product. can we start something here that no one has done 
before? how about glue ups, hollow turnings, do something different. The router 
cut this pod pretty nicely, just as long as you take light cuts. 
I want to go out and find out the how much these pods cost today, If they are 
cheap enough, I plan to play around with them more in the future, and see what 
I can do. 
If not... I plan to look for some kind of material s that are out of the 
ordinary that we can get to play with... What do you think? 
Who is up for the challenge? Lets see what you all can make... if We,, Think 
outside the box! ;-) 

C.A.G. 

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From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Cc: curtgeo...@wowway.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 3:42:33 AM 
Subject: Re: going square/with a twist. 

Curtis 
I thought it very good, I do like experimental work, and for some reason I get 
sidetracked and did not comment on the POD. when you first posted the pic. 
Sorry!! 
When I get the chance to get to the workshop I will try that technique, if I 
can get the depth of side cutting with my extensions 
Cheers 
Richard 


On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 5:30:20 AM UTC+1, Curtis wrote: 


Thank you. 

I was starting to think now one was interested. 

If the truth be known, there are a number of different way to do almost 
anything. 
In my/this case what saved my bacon was the indexing disks, 

There is no math involved, I knew that I wanted 4 sides for this Banksia pod. 
all that I needed to do was add the shape onto my indexing plate, and then make 
a pointer to make sure I could line up the disk with the gearing. 
After my first cut, I returned the carriage to the starting point, and then 
with the carriage ,not hooked up the acme screw, I turned the gears until the 
next edge of the disk lined up with my pointer. form that point all I needed to 
do was re-engage the acme screw and make my second cut... it was so easy to do, 
I wanted everyone to know how it was done. 

With the method of cutting, "Well" that is in the books, There is nothing new 
there. (It may be Neat. But, Legacy did it before me and recorded it in there 
logs.) But With these disks, this is a new/er concept. (that few people know 
about.) They are so easy, to make or buy, and So Very easy to use. I just had 
to share it with everyone. 

I am going to play-around with this concept more in the future. 
Please let me know what you think? 
Thanks again. 
talk to you all more latter. 

C.A.G. 


From: "Ccm Ccm" < ccmde...@gmail.com > 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:39:09 PM 
Subject: Re: going square/with a twist. 

curt nice ribbon twist 

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:59 PM, CURTIS GEORGE < curtg...@wowway.com > wrote: 



Hello all. 
Another play day, 
I may not have spelled the name correctly in the photo nam e, Banksia pod is 
the correct spelling. 
As I understand its a seed pod (much like our pine cone, we have in the US) 
I got mine a number of years ago. 
So when I was cleaning my shop I found this one. since I have never worked with 
this, I figured why not try the Legacy? I am happy with my results. 

I used my indexing disks to get the correct spacing and number of starts, 
We have talked about these template before with the group. but for the newer 
members, these disks (square, triangle,hexagon ...) are a method the make sure 
you get the right number of starts every time with out using math. all you do 
is add the disk to the indexing plate, use a pointer, line up the edge of the 
template to the pointer, and start cutting. at the end of the cut, bring the 
carriage back to the starting position. run the gears until the next corner of 
the template aligns with the pointer. lock the carriage onto the acme screw, 
and then start the next cut. repeat until you have all the cuts made. (in this 
case I wanted 4 cuts to make a square.) 

Please let me know what you think? 

C.A.G. 



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Re: going square/with a twist.

2017-06-20 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Thank you. 

I was starting to think now one was interested. 

If the truth be known, there are a number of different way to do almost 
anything. 
In my/this case what saved my bacon was the indexing disks, 

There is no math involved, I knew that I wanted 4 sides for this Banksia pod. 
all that I needed to do was add the shape onto my indexing plate, and then make 
a pointer to make sure I could line up the disk with the gearing. 
After my first cut, I returned the carriage to the starting point, and then 
with the carriage ,not hooked up the acme screw, I turned the gears until the 
next edge of the disk lined up with my pointer. form that point all I needed to 
do was re-engage the acme screw and make my second cut... it was so easy to do, 
I wanted everyone to know how it was done. 

With the method of cutting, "Well" that is in the books, There is nothing new 
there. (It may be Neat. But, Legacy did it before me and recorded it in there 
logs.) But With these disks, this is a new/er concept. (that few people know 
about.) They are so easy, to make or buy, and So Very easy to use. I just had 
to share it with everyone. 

I am going to play-around with this concept more in the future. 
Please let me know what you think? 
Thanks again. 
talk to you all more latter. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Ccm Ccm"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:39:09 PM 
Subject: Re: going square/with a twist. 

curt nice ribbon twist 

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:59 PM, CURTIS GEORGE < curtgeo...@wowway.com > wrote: 



Hello all. 
Another play day, 
I may not have spelled the name correctly in the photo nam e, Banksia pod is 
the correct spelling. 
As I understand its a seed pod (much like our pine cone, we have in the US) 
I got mine a number of years ago. 
So when I was cleaning my shop I found this one. since I have never worked with 
this, I figured why not try the Legacy? I am happy with my results. 

I used my indexing disks to get the correct spacing and number of starts, 
We have talked about these template before with the group. but for the newer 
members, these disks (square, triangle,hexagon ...) are a method the make sure 
you get the right number of starts every time with out using math. all you do 
is add the disk to the indexing plate, use a pointer, line up the edge of the 
template to the pointer, and start cutting. at the end of the cut, bring the 
carriage back to the starting position. run the gears until the next corner of 
the template aligns with the pointer. lock the carriage onto the acme screw, 
and then start the next cut. repeat until you have all the cuts made. (in this 
case I wanted 4 cuts to make a square.) 

Please let me know what you think? 

C.A.G. 



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Re: Routers

2017-06-18 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

https://www.accusizetools.com/content/20.pdf 

https://www.accusizetools.com/0223-0954-er-20-r8-x-4-10-ps-set-er-collet-system/
 

Dose this collet fit your router??? if so Pretty neat extension concept, 

C.A.G. 
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From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:06:38 AM 
Subject: Re: Routers 

Hello Richard 
do you have a picture of this ER 20 system. 
I for one have used collet systems on steel mills, but they were part of the 
machine, how do you fit that with a router? or do you just use the collet from 
a mill and then use a motor to drive it??? 

They say a picture is worth 1000 words, in this case, please post a lot of 
pictures. 
I need help understanding what you are doing. ;-) 

C.A.G. 





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From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 3:41:19 AM 
Subject: Re: Routers 

Tom 
I am sorry that I did not answer your question about the ER 20 system . They 
are mainly used in the metal work trade. However They can be used for wood 
work. 
I use them with milling cutters, and the drawback with them is that they are 
parallel shank to cutter. 
This of course means that a change of cutter size means that one has to also 
change the collet 
I have never used a normal router cutter larger than 3/4" and 1/2" shank in the 
ER20 
The milling cutters from the far east are so cheap and I just use them for 
planing cuts or grooving. 
I know nothing Re: Diamond saws but am learning something new every time I go 
back to messages on this site, that are years old. 
Yesterday using my Revo I used a 1/2" milling cutter to plane a spindle 30 
inches long by 1 1/4"Dia 
Turned both handles at the same speed - it looked like the rats had been at 
it--- must get a motor drive to the spindle, like I have on the Old 
Woodchuck, that leaves a perfect finish on spindles using the same 1/2" milling 
cutter. 
Further more I do not need the exercise by the turning of handles ! 
Regards 
Richard 

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 4:07:09 PM UTC+1, Tom Dotta wrote: 


Hi Richard & Curtis 

Two things I'd like to hear more about. ER20 system and diamond hole saws for 
use on a router?? 

Cheers Tom D 

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:43 AM, CURTIS GEORGE < curtg...@wowway.com > wrote: 



Hello and Good morning Everyone. 
I have the Xtreme Xtension chuck on my router, I do like it, But having said 
that have been looking at the muscle chuck for a while and DO plan to buy one. 
Here is there web site. http://www.musclechuck.com/ I have switched form my PC 
to a Craftsman router for my Legacy, I was told that the Bosh (#4) chuck would 
work for me, so I plan to buy one soon. 
I agree with Richard using the old router col let type of chucks are a Pain! 

As far as Router bits go. Magnate is a very good company, but I use what ever I 
can get my hands on, metal working end mills (both carbide and H,S,S.) are also 
part of my arsenal of tools that I use with my Legacy. (NOTE) Two flute end 
mills work the best on wood, ones made to cut Alum. are what I look for the 
most. The end mills that have more flutes tend to bog up with wood chips, so 
stay clear of those for the main stay, But end mills are cheaper to buy and 
higher quality for the most part. but the section of profiles is limited 
compared with router bits. 
but for the small/detail jobs, I use what ever I can find, HSS (cheep) bits can 
do well for small jobs, so keep your eyes open, you just may find something 
that works for you even if its not made to work with a router... 
One more example are my diamond hole saws, They work very well for detail work, 
they are much safer to use then an Fly cutter would be on a router. but again 
(I must stress ) they are ONLY for detail work, 

Gota run now. 
Have a good weekend everyone. 
C.A.G. 


From: "Bawdsey64" < rhp...@gmail.com > 
To: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulk...@mmnet.com.au >, "Mike Pung" < 
legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > 
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:02:13 AM 
Subject: RE: Routers 




A word of warning DO NOT PUT AN XTREME XTENSION IN A MUSCLE CHUCK, that can be 
lethal and they are not meant to be used together. 




Of the two products I prefer the Xtreme Xtension but that is because Bob at 
Router Technologies built it originally for me after the guy at Muscle Chuck or 
what ever his company was called at that time would only build his product for 
Porter Cable! Bob even sent him his design for the Xtreme Xtension but he did 
not want to know so Bob went ahead and built it. 




If you are in the UK or Europe then both products are available from 
www.woodworkersworkshop.co.uk and by the way I am not involved with that 
company in any way these days. 
Cheers 

Roger 




Sent from TouchMail for Windows 10 


 




From: Bill Bulkeley 
Rec

Re: Routers

2017-06-18 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Richard 
do you have a picture of this ER 20 system. 
I for one have used collet systems on steel mills, but they were part of the 
machine, how do you fit that with a router? or do you just use the collet from 
a mill and then use a motor to drive it??? 

They say a picture is worth 1000 words, in this case, please post a lot of 
pictures. 
I need help understanding what you are doing. ;-) 

C.A.G. 





- Original Message -

From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 3:41:19 AM 
Subject: Re: Routers 

Tom 
I am sorry that I did not answer your question about the ER 20 system . They 
are mainly used in the metal work trade. However They can be used for wood 
work. 
I use them with milling cutters, and the drawback with them is that they are 
parallel shank to cutter. 
This of course means that a change of cutter size means that one has to also 
change the collet 
I have never used a normal router cutter larger than 3/4" and 1/2" shank in the 
ER20 
The milling cutters from the far east are so cheap and I just use them for 
planing cuts or grooving. 
I know nothing Re: Diamond saws but am learning something new every time I go 
back to messages on this site, that are years old. 
Yesterday using my Revo I used a 1/2" milling cutter to plane a spindle 30 
inches long by 1 1/4"Dia 
Turned both handles at the same speed - it looked like the rats had been at 
it--- must get a motor drive to the spindle, like I have on the Old 
Woodchuck, that leaves a perfect finish on spindles using the same 1/2" milling 
cutter. 
Further more I do not need the exercise by the turning of handles ! 
Regards 
Richard 

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 4:07:09 PM UTC+1, Tom Dotta wrote: 


Hi Richard & Curtis 

Two things I'd like to hear more about. ER20 system and diamond hole saws for 
use on a router?? 

Cheers Tom D 

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:43 AM, CURTIS GEORGE < curtg...@wowway.com > wrote: 



Hello and Good morning Everyone. 
I have the Xtreme Xtension chuck on my router, I do like it, But having said 
that have been looking at the muscle chuck for a while and DO plan to buy one. 
Here is there web site. http://www.musclechuck.com/ I have switched form my PC 
to a Craftsman router for my Legacy, I was told that the Bosh (#4) chuck would 
work for me, so I plan to buy one soon. 
I agree with Richard using the old router col let type of chucks are a Pain! 

As far as Router bits go. Magnate is a very good company, but I use what ever I 
can get my hands on, metal working end mills (both carbide and H,S,S.) are also 
part of my arsenal of tools that I use with my Legacy. (NOTE) Two flute end 
mills work the best on wood, ones made to cut Alum. are what I look for the 
most. The end mills that have more flutes tend to bog up with wood chips, so 
stay clear of those for the main stay, But end mills are cheaper to buy and 
higher quality for the most part. but the section of profiles is limited 
compared with router bits. 
but for the small/detail jobs, I use what ever I can find, HSS (cheep) bits can 
do well for small jobs, so keep your eyes open, you just may find something 
that works for you even if its not made to work with a router... 
One more example are my diamond hole saws, They work very well for detail work, 
they are much safer to use then an Fly cutter would be on a router. but again 
(I must stress ) they are ONLY for detail work, 

Gota run now. 
Have a good weekend everyone. 
C.A.G. 


From: "Bawdsey64" < rhp...@gmail.com > 
To: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulk...@mmnet.com.au >, "Mike Pung" < 
legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > 
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:02:13 AM 
Subject: RE: Routers 




A word of warning DO NOT PUT AN XTREME XTENSION IN A MUSCLE CHUCK, that can be 
lethal and they are not meant to be used together. 




Of the two products I prefer the Xtreme Xtension but that is because Bob at 
Router Technologies built it originally for me after the guy at Muscle Chuck or 
what ever his company was called at that time would only build his product for 
Porter Cable! Bob even sent him his design for the Xtreme Xtension but he did 
not want to know so Bob went ahead and built it. 




If you are in the UK or Europe then both products are available from 
www.woodworkersworkshop.co.uk and by the way I am not involved with that 
company in any way these days. 
Cheers 

Roger 




Sent from TouchMail for Windows 10 


 




From: Bill Bulkeley 
Received: 10/06/2017 14:52:10 +01:00 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 


I use nothing but triton routers on my mills, router table and free hand I love 
them. 

They are all fitted either with the quick change musclechuck or the xtream 
xtension depending on the reach I need. 

Rather than change chucks on one router I change the whole router for another, 
I have several fitted with diff

Re: going square/with a twist.

2017-06-18 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Good morning Bill 
Legacy calls it the ribbon twist, it is a side cutting method, using a long 
straight router bit. 
The pitch is the longest one I can do using the X2 gear set. 

As I said earlier, the ONLY new concepts here,is the indexing templates. 
(everything else is covered in The Legacy manuals.) That and the use of this 
Banksia POD, 

When I looked up these pod's on the internet, it states ; 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksia 






Dose this plant grow around where you live? 




It turns well on the Legacy, 




C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:14:48 PM 
Subject: RE: going square/with a twist. 



Nice what pitch and bits did you use? 

Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Sunday, 18 June 2017 11:00 AM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: going square/with a twist. 





Hello all. 


Another play day, 


I may not have spelled the name correctly in the photo name, Banksia pod is the 
correct spelling. 


As I understand its a seed pod (much like our pine cone, we have in the US) 


I got mine a number of years ago. 


So when I was cleaning my shop I found this one. since I have never worked with 
this, I figured why not try the Legacy? I am happy with my results. 






I used my indexing disks to get the correct spacing and number of starts, 


We have talked about these template before with the group. but for the newer 
members, these disks (square, triangle,hexagon ...) are a method the make sure 
you get the right number of starts every time with out using math. all you do 
is add the disk to the indexing plate, use a pointer, line up the edge of the 
template to the pointer, and start cutting. at the end of the cut, bring the 
carriage back to the starting position. run the gears until the next corner of 
the template aligns with the pointer. lock the carriage onto the acme screw, 
and then start the next cut. repeat until you have all the cuts made. (in this 
case I wanted 4 cuts to make a square.) 






Please let me know what you think? 






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Re: Not Sure What Model I Purchased

2017-06-12 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Jerod 
That is an old "steely" 1000 
Legacy switched to the extruded alum. shortly after your machine was made. The 
Alum. offered more strength then the steel did. But dont let my words sway your 
understanding of your machine, I like the those machines, are they perfect? NO, 
but for what you paid for it I think you got a good deal. Your machine still 
can be used to make some very nice things. 
Check out our archives. both on 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/legacy-ornamental-mills & 
http://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html 
http://legacywoodworking.com/classProjects.cfm And the Legacy web site may 
offer you some more info. on some of the ways the Legacy can be used. 

Have a good night. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Jerod Howell"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 9:52:10 PM 
Subject: Not Sure What Model I Purchased 

Hello, 

My name is Jerod I live in Central Fl, close to Lakeland. 

I recently purchased a Legacy Mill with router, from a pawn shop for $400, 
Because I purchased it from a Pawn shop I could not talk to the previous owner, 
so I am nor sure the exact model, I was told it is a 1000, Unfortunately the 
mill did not come with any manuals or videos. While trying to figure out 
exactly what I have I found Mike Pung on YouTube which lead me to this group. 

I purchased the mill in an effort to learn to make my own table legs, (dining 
tables), Since I have limited knowledge of both the mill and turning, any help 
or suggestions would be much appreciated. 

Attached are some pictures of the mill, it only has one set of gears and no 4 
jaw chucks (not sure if these are a requirement or not) they do not appear 
available the Legacy site anymore. Also would this mill hold up to having a 
drive motor like Mikes for the rotation of the leg, to speed up the process and 
reduce the cranking? 

I can get better pictures if needed, sorry these where taken at night. 

Thanks Very Much In Advance, 

Jerod 












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Re: When all else fails, Make Lemonade .

2017-06-11 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Richard 

This turning is 9" long and 3 1/2" round. The pitch was 4 1/2" pitch, the 
problem came with my math, (You see I was not using a router bit to cut this 
spindle, but a saw blade type of cutter, attempting to make a cut that looked 
more like what would come off of a Rose lathe.) The idea was simple, in theory 
but it quickly fell apart when I missed an index... 

The Lemonade part came after I made my mistake, the hollowing is a two start 
cut. out of a 4 1/2" pitch. ( I hope I stated that correctly for you? 4 starts, 
every other cut ,was the hollowing cut, until I got to full depth, that made 
the hollow.) 

I hope the rest of your weekend goes well for you. 
talk to you and all more latter. 

C.A.G. 



- Original Message -

From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 2:56:20 AM 
Subject: Re: When all else fails, Make Lemonade . 

Curtis 
What is the size of it,,, it looks good, and did you just use a smallish cutter 
and then rotate one hole (out of 24) ?Woodchuck of mine only has 12 index holes 
(I must study Mikes indexing system more ) I do use milling cutters for some 
tasks ,but mainly for rounding/planing. Two flute up-cutting. However, if I buy 
router cutters, I like them to do more than one shape of cut, Not always 
possible though. 

Bill 
When I built my last house I turned spirals on 200 approx. spindles on the 
little Trend router lathe. A simple machine and only one spiral. The staircase 
was not spiral---thank the lord 
Richard 

On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 12:58:51 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 




I like it I like anything spiral 

Bill 




From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 7:35 AM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: When all else fails, Make Lemonade . 





Hello 


I got some PLAY time today. 


I was going to fast and made a huge mistake on my turning, 


So instead of just throwing out my project I had planed to make, I decided to 
try something I have not done in a LONG Time. (that is make a hollow turning.) 
this is truly Lemonade, despite my best efforts, this turning is both bitter & 
sweat, I think I like it? but I'm not sure? 


I figure if I get a few reply's form the group, it will be worth the effort. 


So what do you think? 





C.A.G. 






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Re: Routers

2017-06-10 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello and Good morning Everyone. 
I have the Xtreme Xtension chuck on my router, I do like it, But having said 
that have been looking at the muscle chuck for a while and DO plan to buy one. 
Here is there web site. http://www.musclechuck.com/ I have switched form my PC 
to a Craftsman router for my Legacy, I was told that the Bosh (#4) chuck would 
work for me, so I plan to buy one soon. 
I agree with Richard using the old router col let type of chucks are a Pain! 

As far as Router bits go. Magnate is a very good company, but I use what ever I 
can get my hands on, metal working end mills (both carbide and H,S,S.) are also 
part of my arsenal of tools that I use with my Legacy. (NOTE) Two flute end 
mills work the best on wood, ones made to cut Alum. are what I look for the 
most. The end mills that have more flutes tend to bog up with wood chips, so 
stay clear of those for the main stay, But end mills are cheaper to buy and 
higher quality for the most part. but the section of profiles is limited 
compared with router bits. 
but for the small/detail jobs, I use what ever I can find, HSS (cheep) bits can 
do well for small jobs, so keep your eyes open, you just may find something 
that works for you even if its not made to work with a router... 
One more example are my diamond hole saws, They work very well for detail work, 
they are much safer to use then an Fly cutter would be on a router. but again 
(I must stress ) they are ONLY for detail work, 

Gota run now. 
Have a good weekend everyone. 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Bawdsey64"  
To: "Bill Bulkeley" , "Mike Pung" 
 
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:02:13 AM 
Subject: RE: Routers 



A word of warning DO NOT PUT AN XTREME XTENSION IN A MUSCLE CHUCK, that can be 
lethal and they are not meant to be used together. 




Of the two products I prefer the Xtreme Xtension but that is because Bob at 
Router Technologies built it originally for me after the guy at Muscle Chuck or 
what ever his company was called at that time would only build his product for 
Porter Cable! Bob even sent him his design for the Xtreme Xtension but he did 
not want to know so Bob went ahead and built it. 




If you are in the UK or Europe then both products are available from 
www.woodworkersworkshop.co.uk and by the way I am not involved with that 
company in any way these days. 
Cheers 

Roger 




Sent from TouchMail for Windows 10 


 




From: Bill Bulkeley 
Received: 10/06/2017 14:52:10 +01:00 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 


I use nothing but triton routers on my mills, router table and free hand I love 
them. 

They are all fitted either with the quick change musclechuck or the xtream 
xtension depending on the reach I need. 

Rather than change chucks on one router I change the whole router for another, 
I have several fitted with different quick change chucks. 

The triton routers are the only routers here that have fast removal and replace 
mounting from machine to machine, one of the reasons i like them so much. 

loosen 2 wing nut like screws slide a little and it’s off done. I can change 
routers in about 10 seconds. 

When I have it on the legacy I have one or both of the routers plastic shields 
removed so I can get easily to the router bit and also the legacy T ball hex 
key fits all the quick change chucks so changing bits is easy and all the 
cutting takes place lower down so the shields don’t do much anyway in this 
case. 

When I started I bought this set first 
https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RBPROFESSIONAL 

Then kept adding and adding bits mostly from magnate others from ebay or were 
ever i saw bits i think i could use now i have that many it’s ridiculous I was 
a bit a holic for a while J 



Bill 








From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 4:40 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Routers 





Wondering what sort of routers do most of you use. And did you buy sets of 
cutters or buy them individually ??? 


I have a Triton TRA 001 on my Woodchuck and a Dewalt 625 E on my Revo. 


Bill I always find it a pain to change cutters on the Triton need three 
hands, although it is easy to do in a vertical position in the router table. 


On the Legacy's I usually have something under the cutter to save it from 
falling on the floor. Sometimes I wedge the lock button in with a length of 
wood. 


Be nice if the button stayed put. The routers both have the ER 20 collet system 
They allow me to use milling cutters. 


Regards to all ,and lets have more posts, surely someone has a question or two 


Richard 


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Re: Working on the Ornamental side of the Legacy today

2017-05-30 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Good morning Bill. 
The circle patterns are the easy part of this turning. A while back I found 
some diamond impregnated hole saws with a 1/4" shank, although these kind of 
hole saws were made to cut glass and marble, I quickly found out they do a very 
nice job on wood as well. (Well let me correct my self here, they do not cut 
wood, instead they burn the wood, ) each and every cut is clean, there is no 
burr or chip that needs to be cleaned up, the black lines are burn marks from 
where the router burned the wood, 
Since that day when I found these hole-saws, I have played around with this 
concept, I have used normal hole saws with the teeth cut off, and they too make 
a nice mark. the indexing was straight forward, index and plunge, and repeat 
... Now along this line of thought, I could have off-set the carriage some and 
made this hole saw cut only a half circle, making a "(" looking mark. there are 
a lot of different patterns that could be make using this technique. 

Note in the Ornamental turning books this type of cut was done with a 
fly-cutter looking type of bit, But with the routers high speeds I do not think 
this idea is a safe one, The hole saw is balanced and there is no wobble, 
everything is balanced, This is a very easy type of bit to make. 

I few years back I made a Mook jong (wooden man dummy/ martial are dummy) and 
used two hole saws put together (one inside the other.) and then I cut the two 
saws,with an abrasive wheel, to make a double ring, this two hole saws, minus 
the center drill bit worked out very nicely for my design. (Now that I think 
about it, the center, "pilot bit" could have been used as well in this set up, 
making three holes/rings...) 

So guys here is a new tool that you can play with, it doesn't matter is you can 
find diamond hole saws or not, its the concept, Burning instead of cutting with 
your router, can also be done on the Legacy. 
think about it ??? You imagination is only limit. ;-) 

Have a good day. 
C.A.G. 
- Original Message -

From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:20:13 PM 
Subject: RE: Working on the Ornamental side of the Legacy today 



Very nice curt can you please explain how you did the circle pattern 



Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Tuesday, 30 May 2017 11:21 AM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: Working on the Ornamental side of the Legacy today 





Hello Everyone. 


I normally do Not make Bowels. 


But I figured that its been a while. I would try it again. 


I used both the lathe and the Legacy to make this bowel. 





Any questions or thoughts, Please lets hear them. 


The Legacy was used to make the out side of the bowel. and the lathe was use to 
clear out the center part. 


Perhaps I could have used the turn table to do the inside of this bowel? But 
honestly I did not think of doing it that way until now. 


Perhaps the next time It will be a 100% Legacy job. ;-) 





Have a good day. 


C.A.G. 








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Re: Electricity Supply

2017-05-29 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Thank you Tom! 

C.A.G. 

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From: "Tom Dotta"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:04:03 AM 
Subject: Re: Electricity Supply 

HI Richard & Curtis 

Curtis a little different not cut down at the plug (receptacle) but rather two 
110Volt legs into the main house electrical panel. From there usually through a 
circuit breaker (or fuses) one leg continues on to each 110v circuit while both 
incoming 110v legs are fed to each 220v circuit. 
Richard My Powermatic 20/36 plugs into a normal 220V single phase (2-110v legs) 
circuit but the power goes thru an inverter? on the lathe that converts it into 
3 phase power which allows dial an rpm as well as a toggle switch to reverse 
motor direction. This is all standard stock for this machine here in the US.. 
Small capacity phase inverters are available here in the US quite cheaply 
$100-300. 
For larger machines in my home shop that require 3phase power I use a rotary 
phase converter which through a process I do not understand, utilizing a box 
full of electronic gadgets runs a 7.5 hp 3 phase electric motor that then 
outputs a 3 phase current that allows several machines to run simultaneously. 
Pretty silly in a one man hobby shop, but hey toys are important! 

Cheers Tom Dotta 

As an asideI was fortunate to live in beautiful New Zealand for a while and 
there the electricity is very different. 240Volt 50 cycle is the standard 
household power and power is on one wire (leg). They still have a neutral and a 
ground but basically electric motor items do not go back and forth. 

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 5:11 PM, CURTIS GEORGE < curtgeo...@wowway.com > wrote: 

Hello Richard 
I am no electrical person. but I do believe that most of our homes in the US 
are wired for 220 volts and then cut down to 110 volts at the plug. 
The only invert er that I use to do make a 110 AC- 90 volt DC to control my 
Legacy carriage drive motor . 
I know that the industrial standards are much different then the home owners 
systems. 
Hopefully someone out there can give a better breakdown of the electrical 
systems, I only use what I need . ;-) I really dont know anymore then what I 
stated... 

Have a good night. 

C.A.G. 

From: "Richard Ellis" < rchrd.ell...@gmail.com > 
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" < legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com > 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:26:59 AM 
Subject: Electricity Supply 

HiAll 
Have been wondering as to what sort of Electricity supply you have in the U,S. 
Mainly because I use machines here that are on 415 Volts. I then use an 
inverter that changes the supply from the normal house supply to 240 to 415 and 
it then allows me to control the speed of the machine motors My Woodchuck is on 
that system when I want to drive the spindle without turning the crank 
handle 
Do any of you in the U.S use inverters or something similar , to control the 
speed on lathes etc. etc. 

Richard 

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Re: kaleidoscopes

2017-05-29 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

I like it ! not something that I have ever tried. 
Tim. use to make a lot of scopes. perhaps he would have a different perspective 
on this? I do know that his scopes used wood not cardboard for the body. 

C.A.G. 

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From: jwb...@windstream.net 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:36:07 AM 
Subject: kaleidoscopes 

I really liked these things as a kid. Never thought about making one until now. 
Has anyone used the legacy to make the outside part of one? 
https://www.facebook.com/MechanicsTips/videos/1299942216787259/ 

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Re: Electricity Supply

2017-05-28 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Richard 
I am no electrical person. but I do believe that most of our homes in the US 
are wired for 220 volts and then cut down to 110 volts at the plug. 
The only invert er that I use to do make a 110 AC- 90 volt DC to control my 
Legacy carriage drive motor . 
I know that the industrial standards are much different then the home owners 
systems. 
Hopefully someone out there can give a better breakdown of the electrical 
systems, I only use what I need . ;-) I really dont know anymore then what I 
stated... 

Have a good night. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:26:59 AM 
Subject: Electricity Supply 

HiAll 
Have been wondering as to what sort of Electricity supply you have in the U,S. 
Mainly because I use machines here that are on 415 Volts. I then use an 
inverter that changes the supply from the normal house supply to 240 to 415 and 
it then allows me to control the speed of the machine motors My Woodchuck is on 
that system when I want to drive the spindle without turning the crank 
handle 
Do any of you in the U.S use inverters or something similar , to control the 
speed on lathes etc. etc. 

Richard 



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Re: $100 Legacy Ornamental mill Router lathe on E-bay

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Re: Revo Parts

2017-05-25 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Ha Ha! I was thinking More, of using the pedals to move the carriage and 
spindle on the Legacy, not the router. but anything is possible? Ive seen water 
powered, steam powered, and even horse powered wood working equipment. 
I like the idea of a pedal powered lathe. the fly wheel once moving would keep 
the stock moving pretty easy I would think? sorta like riding a stationary 
bike, and wood turning at the same. 
I know that a lot of those old machines were turned over to a motor powered 
machine over the years. Perhaps its not as nice as it sounds? but None the less 
I would like to try it some day. ;-) 

Have a good night. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:14:55 AM 
Subject: RE: Revo Parts 



Yea but you would have to pedal really fast to get the router bit up to speed J 
J J 



Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2017 2:32 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Revo Parts 





Hello Richard 


I believe that you should watch out for those high speed motors. as far as the 
Legacy is concerned. I understand that 1000 rpm is not all that fast for a 
motor to go, but the Legacy only needs a speed something like 80 rpm or slower. 
to run the machine. 


Yes having the ability to sand on your machine is nice, but at what expense? 
the bushings are not make to handle the heat and stress that kind of speed with 
make. 


Since you have your motors, can you find a way to put an gear-box on the motor 
to slow it down? Perhaps a fly wheel and a few step pulleys might also work? 


What would work better is a DC motor with a speed control. 





I now you will scoff at me, but I still think a stationary bike could also be 
made to run the Legacy pretty easily. Veary much like a Old Barns lathe. 


Just an idea. ;-) 


C.A.G. 
- Original Message -



From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:29:11 PM 
Subject: Re: Revo Parts 





Bill 


That was the first thing I did with the Woodchuck --each leg on casters with 
swivel and brakes. 


Now the Revo... Today I have 3/4" ply underneath it a little longer in 
readiness for the drive motors. At four inches in from each end a bolt hole 
that goes right through the long work bench that I have on one side of my shop, 
The hole in the ply is central to it's length 


Before I did this the Revo was taking most of the bench space up. 


Now I can undo one bolt at either end and swing it into A Rt. angle position, 
then I just place a leg support at the end that is now in the middle of my shop 


If I want more space to assemble things I swing it out one way and if I want to 
get the under bench router I swing it out the other way 


Of course it does not have to at right angles. When parked up it leaves plenty 
of room in the middle of the shop 


Am looking for a 3 phase electric motor With a speed of less than1000 RPM I 
have one on the Woodchuck to drive the spindle and that one is 900 RPM 


I run it through an Inverter that I plug into normal 240 volt sockets, great 
bit of kit can control what speed I want to turn the spindle at 


Very useful for sanding 


Cheers 


Richard 



On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 11:37:36 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 


Stop buying? might as well say stop breathing I totally understand. legacyies 
on wheels is the go .when i had space problems in my old shop i had almost 
everything on wheels to maximise my small space. I still haven’t got to the 
shop to look at the revo yet been a busy day for me will look tomorrow 

Bill 




From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 May 2017 5:36 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Revo Parts 





Thanks Bill, 


I have rearranged my workshop after selling another lathe , in an effort to 
give me more room and believe I would love to be ambidextrous . BUT It is not 
just the reason I would like to change the Revo.. As the Revo is not a heavy 
machine I am making a swinging Bench for it.---Space is the real issue, 


When I moan about the lack of space. the Wife of 58+ years ,says, just stop 
buying, no help at all  


Cheers 


Richard 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 11:31:04 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 


I guess so I have never really looked at doing that I am comfortable with it 
the way it is, but I am ambidextrous so I don’t notice such things I will look 
later when I’m in my shop and get back to you 



Bill 




From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 11:15 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Revo Parts

Re: LOM mill distribution

2017-05-25 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

I second that ! Thank you Michael. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Michael Kratky"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:18:42 AM 
Subject: RE: LOM mill distribution 

Richard, 

Just think it’s because of a lack of support all the way around, this group is 
the best thing that ever happened to Legacy (and us). 

Michael 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:03 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: LOM mill distribution 

Michael 

I often wonder if they bought a mill and then did not try to fettle it up to do 
things --- i:e think outside of the box ,like a few on here do Mike and Curtis 
are great examples.They then park it up and try something else, of course that 
is only my opinion 

I will have a look at that site 

Regards 

Richard 

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 1:45:22 PM UTC+1, Michael Kratky wrote: 

Richard, 

I also belong to multiple woodturning and woodworking clubs here in New England 
as well as the largest the American Association of Woodturners ( 
www.woodturner.org ), have only run across one other individual with a Legacy 
Ornamental mill, for awhile there was a niche group with a Rose Engine lathes 
but even that has fizzled. 

Even CNC is not catching on as of yet due to the affordability factor and 
complexity for the baby boomers like me that dominates the “hobby”. 

Michael 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:55 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Cc: curtg...@wowway.com 
Subject: Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 

Curtis 

As you know I am here in the U.K. I put a question on the wood turning Forum , 
that has a huge following in fact it does have all sorts of different areas to 
do with wood working. 

The question I asked was  Does anyone have a Legacy Ornamental mill or know 
of some one who has one.. 

141 views to date and I put the question on the site on the 15th May. Not one 
reply 

Don't know of any chance over here to get spare parts, The old Woodcuck may 
even be the only one in the U.K. However the last agent for legacy told me that 
about 30 Revo's came here 

Best Regards to all Legacy owners 

Richard 

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Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier

2017-05-25 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Good morning Arkady 
Yes and No, to your question. 
My old set that I made back in 2008 I used for roping quite a bit, but this new 
set, Not yet. But as far as the gears go, there really isnt any difference. The 
gears control the turning of the stocks rotation and speed of the turn, and the 
Acme screw controls the Y movement. The only thing that I am doing different is 
that the gears are not all hooked up, My attachments that I am working with at 
this time, the indexing plate is not hooked up to the other gears, this allows 
me to change the movement of the spindle, and change the patterns, using a 
rosette to make the pattern of cut instead of the gears alone. 
This Weekend I will do some roping, I promise you. I do not expect any 
problems, but if I do, I promise you, (All in this group.) will know ASAP. (As, 
Soon, As, Possible.) 

Have a good day. 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Arkady Paka"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:51:33 AM 
Subject: Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 

Hi Curtis. 
Have you used your multiplier for spiral turning? 

Arkady. 

2017-05-25 10:15 GMT+03:00 Richard Ellis < rchrd.ell...@gmail.com > : 



Curtis 
The trouble with gear boxes is the fact that at low speed they do develop a lot 
of torque , can cause an awful lot of damage in a very short time 
Richard 

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 5:12:21 AM UTC+1, Curtis wrote: 


I am glad to hear that. Thank you. 
There was some trail and error in the making of this set. But My hope is that 
someone out there can take the design and improve on it. For what I am using 
this multiplier for it works very well for me. 
I would still like to make a gear box of sorts, for the Legacy.But If I am 
fully Honest with my self, that idea may never happen, It just isn't necessary 
enough to justify the expense that it would take to make. (at least at this 
time.) ;-) But You never know? When there is a will, there is always a way! 
Have a good night. 
C.A.G. 


From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulk...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:21:29 PM 
Subject: RE: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 



Nice curt they really show how its made 



Bill 




From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2017 1:31 AM 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 








Hello Everyone. 


Here are a few pictures of the X... gear multiplier . 


any questions Please ask. 





C.A.G. 








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Re: Revo Parts

2017-05-24 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Richard 
I believe that you should watch out for those high speed motors. as far as the 
Legacy is concerned. I understand that 1000 rpm is not all that fast for a 
motor to go, but the Legacy only needs a speed something like 80 rpm or slower. 
to run the machine. 
Yes having the ability to sand on your machine is nice, but at what expense? 
the bushings are not make to handle the heat and stress that kind of speed with 
make. 
Since you have your motors, can you find a way to put an gear-box on the motor 
to slow it down? Perhaps a fly wheel and a few step pulleys might also work? 
What would work better is a DC motor with a speed control. 

I now you will scoff at me, but I still think a stationary bike could also be 
made to run the Legacy pretty easily. Veary much like a Old Barns lathe. 
Just an idea. ;-) 
C.A.G. 
- Original Message -

From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:29:11 PM 
Subject: Re: Revo Parts 

Bill 
That was the first thing I did with the Woodchuck --each leg on casters with 
swivel and brakes. 
Now the Revo... Today I have 3/4" ply underneath it a little longer in 
readiness for the drive motors. At four inches in from each end a bolt hole 
that goes right through the long work bench that I have on one side of my shop, 
The hole in the ply is central to it's length 
Before I did this the Revo was taking most of the bench space up. 
Now I can undo one bolt at either end and swing it into A Rt. angle position, 
then I just place a leg support at the end that is now in the middle of my shop 
If I want more space to assemble things I swing it out one way and if I want to 
get the under bench router I swing it out the other way 
Of course it does not have to at right angles. When parked up it leaves plenty 
of room in the middle of the shop 
Am looking for a 3 phase electric motor With a speed of less than1000 RPM I 
have one on the Woodchuck to drive the spindle and that one is 900 RPM 
I run it through an Inverter that I plug into normal 240 volt sockets, great 
bit of kit can control what speed I want to turn the spindle at 
Very useful for sanding 
Cheers 
Richard 

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 11:37:36 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 




Stop buying? might as well say stop breathing I totally understand. legacyies 
on wheels is the go .when i had space problems in my old shop i had almost 
everything on wheels to maximise my small space. I still haven’t got to the 
shop to look at the revo yet been a busy day for me will look tomorrow 

Bill 




From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 May 2017 5:36 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Revo Parts 





Thanks Bill, 


I have rearranged my workshop after selling another lathe , in an effort to 
give me more room and believe I would love to be ambidextrous . BUT It is not 
just the reason I would like to change the Revo.. As the Revo is not a heavy 
machine I am making a swinging Bench for it.---Space is the real issue, 


When I moan about the lack of space. the Wife of 58+ years ,says, just stop 
buying, no help at all  


Cheers 


Richard 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 11:31:04 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 


I guess so I have never really looked at doing that I am comfortable with it 
the way it is, but I am ambidextrous so I don’t notice such things I will look 
later when I’m in my shop and get back to you 



Bill 




From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 11:15 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Revo Parts 





Bill 


I ,as you know own a Woodchuck, made for a right handed person, 


The little Revo seems to be made the other way, gear train on the left, I would 
much prefer it to be on the right hand side as per Woodchuck. 


Had a good look at the Revo and it seems to be fairly straight forward to make 
it right handed. The only metal work involved is with the Tailstock Cam Clamp 
four holes to drill, What do you think, is it possible to swap it all over.? 


I must say I am not a great lover of the cam clamp ,,much rather have a hand 
wheel acme type one. 


Cheers 


Richard 

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 3:20:29 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 


Ps you can also see the other design template follower in the training pdf too 

Bill 




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legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 12:05 AM 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Revo Parts 




Yes its off the revo framing kit you can see it in this revo training pdf 



Bill 




From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 11:44 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sub

Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier

2017-05-24 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

I am glad to hear that. Thank you. 
There was some trail and error in the making of this set. But My hope is that 
someone out there can take the design and improve on it. For what I am using 
this multiplier for it works very well for me. 
I would still like to make a gear box of sorts, for the Legacy.But If I am 
fully Honest with my self, that idea may never happen, It just isn't necessary 
enough to justify the expense that it would take to make. (at least at this 
time.) ;-) But You never know? When there is a will, there is always a way! 
Have a good night. 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:21:29 PM 
Subject: RE: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 



Nice curt they really show how its made 



Bill 




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Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2017 1:31 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 








Hello Everyone. 


Here are a few pictures of the X... gear multiplier . 


any questions Please ask. 





C.A.G. 








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Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier

2017-05-23 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Here is another idea 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIUAdINXZmQ&t=313s Find a clock maker and have 
him make your gears. This guy makes it look easy! ;-p 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:18:11 AM 
Subject: Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 

Arkady 
The gears are the hard part. 
I am afraid you must go out and look, Perhaps a laser guy could make them for 
you. I have no idea on the price or how its done. the wooden gears would never 
mesh up with the Legacy's sets. 
Here is something to think about, 
For years now I have been thinking about making an gear box for my Legacy, If I 
can find a gear box small enough to fit on the Legacy, my plan was to make a 
duplex gear of types, pin the two gears together (One Legacy and the other the 
gear box.) to make this concept work. Sadly I have not found a gear box small 
enough, that I could afford. But when there is a will, there is ALWAYS a way. 

You might even call Legacy and see if they could cut you a new set of gears? 
Laser machines are getting more common today, Perhaps you could find one, and 
that person/ company would be willing to do the job for you? 

If you need/ want to make this gear reduction set for your self. the A gear is 
96 teeth, and the G gear is close to 36 (? it think?) that would make a X-3 set 
for you. Remember the gears are not damaged, so you can always still use them 
when you need. 

"Never let anyone tell you something is impossible." When there is a will, 
there is ALWAYS a WAY! ;-) 
talk to you more latter. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Arkady Paka"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:01:42 AM 
Subject: Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 

Hi Curtis and all. 
"Now the last question is where did I get the extra gears?" 
1. Blueprints 
http://woodgears.ca/gear/index.html Cost: $26 
2. Production 
Local metal laser cutting shop. Cost: $??? 

Arkady. 

2017-05-23 11:55 GMT+03:00 Richard Ellis < rchrd.ell...@gmail.com > : 

Curtis 
As you know I am here in the U.K. I put a question on the wood turning Forum , 
that has a huge following in fact it does have all sorts of different areas to 
do with wood working. 
The question I asked was  Does anyone have a Legacy Ornamental mill or know 
of some one who has one.. 
141 views to date and I put the question on the site on the 15th May. Not one 
reply 
Don't know of any chance over here to get spare parts, The old Woodcuck may 
even be the only one in the U.K. However the last agent for legacy told me that 
about 30 Revo's came here 
Best Regards to all Legacy owners 
Richard 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 5:33:10 AM UTC+1, Curtis wrote: 

Hello Arkady (and everyone else out there in the group.) 

I will take some pictures of the set up and break down for you all, but the 
hole concept is to use the Legacy's drive gears as a quick change reduction 
gear/ duplex gear. 
I started with square key stock (appx. 1" long.) I filed down one end as so I 
could put a die on it and tap the stock for a 5/16" nut. (if you are using 
metric, just make sure the square stock fits nicely into the drive gears 
center, and tap the stock what ever nut will hold the gears so they will not 
come off the square stock.) Next I turned the square stock so that the other 
end was a press fitting for a center of a ball bearing set. (Im doing this off 
the cuff , so to speak. I dont have any real measurement for you at this time.) 
Next I mounted the bearing center on and into a setting /mounting ( I use two 
washers and board them out on a lathe.) and locked the bearing into place with 
a #10 screw. 
I made a bracket very much like Legacy did on there directional gear changer. 
Only a bit longer. I found out if I mounted the gears on the face like Legacy 
did, I could not get the gears to mesh up with the duplex gear and the drive 
gear. So I had to mount the back of the plate so it faced the Legacy's frame. 
and then built the spacer out so that the first gear was just outside the 
bracket. this made it so the drive gear could mesh with the 96 tooth gear, and 
the inside gear could mesh with the duplex gear. 
The picture that I show with the gears showing is only a picture of the set up. 
when I run it all gears are wedged between stainless steel washers. (so they 
can not slip out of placement.) 
Now this gear multiplier has not been fully tested yet. but dose work very well 
with my Wave attachment as well as my Rosette Follower. 
I have found over all my testing, I can gear down to slow the rotation of the 
drive center, but I can not gear up to speed up the rotation, (these gears are 
not designed to handle the stress.) but by gearing down the stress is not as 
bad and these gears do not show any ware or undue damage. (so far.) 
Now the last question is wher

Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier

2017-05-23 Thread CURTIS GEORGE


Arkady 
The gears are the hard part. 
I am afraid you must go out and look, Perhaps a laser guy could make them for 
you. I have no idea on the price or how its done. the wooden gears would never 
mesh up with the Legacy's sets. 
Here is something to think about, 
For years now I have been thinking about making an gear box for my Legacy, If I 
can find a gear box small enough to fit on the Legacy, my plan was to make a 
duplex gear of types, pin the two gears together (One Legacy and the other the 
gear box.) to make this concept work. Sadly I have not found a gear box small 
enough, that I could afford. But when there is a will, there is ALWAYS a way. 

You might even call Legacy and see if they could cut you a new set of gears? 
Laser machines are getting more common today, Perhaps you could find one, and 
that person/ company would be willing to do the job for you? 

If you need/ want to make this gear reduction set for your self. the A gear is 
96 teeth, and the G gear is close to 36 (? it think?) that would make a X-3 set 
for you. Remember the gears are not damaged, so you can always still use them 
when you need. 

"Never let anyone tell you something is impossible." When there is a will, 
there is ALWAYS a WAY! ;-) 
talk to you more latter. 

C.A.G. 


- Original Message -

From: "Arkady Paka"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:01:42 AM 
Subject: Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 

Hi Curtis and all. 
"Now the last question is where did I get the extra gears?" 
1. Blueprints 
http://woodgears.ca/gear/index.html Cost: $26 
2. Production 
Local metal laser cutting shop. Cost: $??? 

Arkady. 

2017-05-23 11:55 GMT+03:00 Richard Ellis < rchrd.ell...@gmail.com > : 



Curtis 
As you know I am here in the U.K. I put a question on the wood turning Forum , 
that has a huge following in fact it does have all sorts of different areas to 
do with wood working. 
The question I asked was  Does anyone have a Legacy Ornamental mill or know 
of some one who has one.. 
141 views to date and I put the question on the site on the 15th May. Not one 
reply 
Don't know of any chance over here to get spare parts, The old Woodcuck may 
even be the only one in the U.K. However the last agent for legacy told me that 
about 30 Revo's came here 
Best Regards to all Legacy owners 
Richard 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 5:33:10 AM UTC+1, Curtis wrote: 


Hello Arkady (and everyone else out there in the group.) 

I will take some pictures of the set up and break down for you all, but the 
hole concept is to use the Legacy's drive gears as a quick change reduction 
gear/ duplex gear. 
I started with square key stock (appx. 1" long.) I filed down one end as so I 
could put a die on it and tap the stock for a 5/16" nut. (if you are using 
metric, just make sure the square stock fits nicely into the drive gears 
center, and tap the stock what ever nut will hold the gears so they will not 
come off the square stock.) Next I turned the square stock so that the other 
end was a press fitting for a center of a ball bearing set. (Im doing this off 
the cuff , so to speak. I dont have any real measurement for you at this time.) 
Next I mounted the bearing center on and into a setting /mounting ( I use two 
washers and board them out on a lathe.) and locked the bearing into place with 
a #10 screw. 
I made a bracket very much like Legacy did on there directional gear changer. 
Only a bit longer. I found out if I mounted the gears on the face like Legacy 
did, I could not get the gears to mesh up with the duplex gear and the drive 
gear. So I had to mount the back of the plate so it faced the Legacy's frame. 
and then built the spacer out so that the first gear was just outside the 
bracket. this made it so the drive gear could mesh with the 96 tooth gear, and 
the inside gear could mesh with the duplex gear. 
The picture that I show with the gears showing is only a picture of the set up. 
when I run it all gears are wedged between stainless steel washers. (so they 
can not slip out of placement.) 
Now this gear multiplier has not been fully tested yet. but dose work very well 
with my Wave attachment as well as my Rosette Follower. 
I have found over all my testing, I can gear down to slow the rotation of the 
drive center, but I can not gear up to speed up the rotation, (these gears are 
not designed to handle the stress.) but by gearing down the stress is not as 
bad and these gears do not show any ware or undue damage. (so far.) 
Now the last question is where did I get the extra gears? all that I can tell 
you keep your eyes open, I had some gears form another Legacy junk sale, as 
well as a friend of mine also made me some extra gears in the past. 
If anyone has any more questions, I will be all to glad to share any info that 
I can. 
But for now, I have to get to bed. 
Have a good night. 

C.A.G. 


From: "Ar

Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier

2017-05-22 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello everyone, Just a few min. to explain the photos. 
the Rosette Follower pix. is the template that I used for all my tests. the 
first ones that look like a corn cob is the standard gear set, the longer ones 
on the new picture is the same rosette but with the X 4 gear set. the cup that 
I showed in earlier photos, was made with the same rosette but, using the X3 
gear ratio. 
  
there is more to come, so stay tuned. ;-) 
talk to you all more latter. 
  
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:31:59 AM 
Subject: Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 


HI Richard 
I would like to see this Cam system of yours.  
The Rosette follower is a very simple jig. I made a follower arm that is pined 
onto the indexing plate on the Legacy's head-stock. The Rosette is mounted to 
the Duplex gear. (note the gears are NOT touching/ they are not engaged.) 
By changing the Drive gear I can get different speeds of rotation, causing 
different sized patterns with the same Rosette.  Not with the playing around 
with different sized Rosette's as well as speeds I can control the design of 
the pattern. 
With the gear multiplier I can slow down the movement making a longer pitch 
with the same rosette. here are a few pictures. 

gota run. I have a side job to be before work. 
Have a good day all. 
C.A.G.  
- Original Message -

From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Cc: mwfos...@earthlink.net 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:42:51 AM 
Subject: Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 

Now that is a nice little cup I like it. 
Curtis you seem to have made a clever set up for your Legacy, When I get sorted 
out in my shed ...Would like to see how it works. 
Years ago When I had a very small sawmill I had a Saw band sharpener that used 
a cam system to follow tooth profiles. I wonder if yours is like that, I did 
have several cams that  were for different shaped teeth. 
Cheers 
Richard 

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:22:27 AM UTC+1, Va Oak wrote: 


Curtis, 
Nice!  I like the cup.  With that wavey pattern, you can get a good grip on it 
- and it should not slip out of you hand. 
I can't wait to read the details of the gear set(s) you made. 
Thanks for sharing. 
Have a great week. 
Mac 




-Original Message- 
From: CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: May 21, 2017 8:02 PM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 

Hello Everyone 

Just got done with a new project. 
I made a new gear multiplier for my Legacy,  
I can now get a X-2,3,or 4 gear setting apart from what the Legacy can normally 
get. 

Today I was able to use this multiplier with my Rosette Follower to make a 
walnut cup/pen holder. 

there is a LOT MORE to this story. but for now. 
Please let me know what you think? 
If anyone wants to know how it was done, I would be all to glad to share this 
information. 

C.A.G. 



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Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier

2017-05-22 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Arkady 
Yes I will. 
I am at work now, but do plan to share the INFO.  ASAP. ;-) 
  
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Arkady Paka"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:38:54 AM 
Subject: Re: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 

Hi Curtis. 
Very nice job! 
I want to know how it was done. 
Can you share your new gear multiplier blueprints? 

Arkady. 

2017-05-22 9:42 GMT+03:00 Richard Ellis < rchrd.ell...@gmail.com > : 



Now that is a nice little cup I like it. 
Curtis you seem to have made a clever set up for your Legacy, When I get sorted 
out in my shed ...Would like to see how it works. 
Years ago When I had a very small sawmill I had a Saw band sharpener that used 
a cam system to follow tooth profiles. I wonder if yours is like that, I did 
have several cams that  were for different shaped teeth. 
Cheers 
Richard 


On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:22:27 AM UTC+1, Va Oak wrote: 



Curtis, 
Nice!  I like the cup.  With that wavey pattern, you can get a good grip on it 
- and it should not slip out of you hand. 
I can't wait to read the details of the gear set(s) you made. 
Thanks for sharing. 
Have a great week. 
Mac 





-Original Message- 
From: CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: May 21, 2017 8:02 PM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: X 2,3,4, gear multiplier 

Hello Everyone 

Just got done with a new project. 
I made a new gear multiplier for my Legacy,  
I can now get a X-2,3,or 4 gear setting apart from what the Legacy can normally 
get. 

Today I was able to use this multiplier with my Rosette Follower to make a 
walnut cup/pen holder. 

there is a LOT MORE to this story. but for now. 
Please let me know what you think? 
If anyone wants to know how it was done, I would be all to glad to share this 
information. 

C.A.G. 


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Re: $100 Legacy Ornamental mill Router lathe on E-bay

2017-05-21 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Did I read this right? You are going to buy it and We can fight over the left 
overs??? Way to go Bill ! ;-) 
C.A.G. 

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From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:35:15 PM 
Subject: RE: $100 Legacy Ornamental mill Router lathe on E-bay 



Can have what’s left 

Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Monday, 22 May 2017 8:54 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: $100 Legacy Ornamental mill Router lathe on E-bay 




Man for that price I put on the first bid. and if I happen to win for 100 bucks 
I’ll keep a couple of parts and anybody who goes and gets the rest . 

Bill 






From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Monday, 22 May 2017 6:27 AM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: $100 Legacy Ornamental mill Router lathe on E-bay 





Nice looking machine The price cant be right? but its a good place to start 
bidding on. ;-) 





C.A.G. 





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$100 Legacy Ornamental mill Router lathe on E-bay

2017-05-21 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Nice looking machine The price cant be right? but its a good place to start
bidding on. ;-)

C.A.G.

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Re: 1"x8 tap???

2017-05-17 Thread Curtis

Hello everyone, the time has come to announce the winners of the  1x8tpi 
 tap.

Bill and Richard were the winners. 

Bill with the total count of posting over the last 30 days, of 40 postings 
and Richard with the total of 33 posting. (by the way I came in third, Darn 
I never win anything!)  ;-)

If Bill and Richard contact me off list, I will get everything ready to 
mail there gifts out this week.  

Congratulations Gentlemen

I will talk to you and all more latter.
Have a good night.

C.A.G..



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Fwd: Woodchuck and Revo

2017-05-17 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: "Richard Ellis"  
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:34:53 AM 
Subject: Re: Woodchuck and Revo 

Richard I would skip the indexing pin altogether. and use Mikes gear indexing 
concept. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=12s "If Life gives you a 
lemon, I say Make Lemonade. There is almost always more then one way to do 
anything... ;-) 

C.A.G. 

- Forwarded Message -

From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Cc: curtgeo...@wowway.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:54:13 AM 
Subject: Re: Woodchuck and Revo 

Bill and other Revo owners. 
I know I said patience is a virtue, I am running out of it ,,, I have just been 
and tried to do a few flutes on each end of a cane and although my hands are 
not that big I find it near impossible to hold the indexing pin and at the same 
time count the index holes, when the router is close to the Headstock the view 
is blocked with the linkages even when I number them it is still difficult. to 
see. 
How do you do it? 
Thanks in anticipation 
Richard 

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 9:46:10 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote: 

Bill & Curtis 
All in good time Patience is a virtue so they say. At present I am exploring 
thr Revo's possibilities and making lots of fire wood and sawdust 
Richard 

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 3:17:25 AM UTC+1, Curtis wrote: 

I second that! I want to see some pictures as well. 
C.A.G. 

From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulk...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:58:26 AM 
Subject: RE: Woodchuck and Revo 

Great if it looks good post a pic of the wave and let us know the settings and 
cutter always good for reference for us all with wave attachments 

Bill 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2017 9:12 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Woodchuck and Revo 

Bill 

Where I was going wrong was too smaller gear on the leadscrew, Just changed it 
and a much better wave, Now all I have to do is put the blanks back on the 
Woodchuck and turn them to a smaller dia. Quite good having two mills saves 
cutter changing. 

Will then go back and change gears to see what waves I get without changing the 
reciprocater 

Richard 

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:04:33 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote: 

Hi Everyone, 

Well, yesterday I needed quite a few blanks for testing out wave patterns on 
the Revo, using what limited cutters that I have. 

So went to the old Woodchuck using some rubbish pine wood, put a half inch 
spiral up-cut Milling cutter into the ER 20 collet extension . 

Set the limit switches, set the speed on the drive to the spindle. Don't trust 
the limit switches too much.!!!??? 

Two inch square blanks, two passes and a fairly clean cut surface. Nice not to 
crank handles all day-- just stand back and when near the end of the 
cuts, just make sure the switches work. 

Today I will use the Woodchuck again to prepare , size and taper the Dia.for 
the Revo for testing what cutters I have . 

I must think about limit switches and a drive for the spindle for the Revo. 
More expense !! 

What cutters are you folk using for Wave Patterns ? 

Richard 

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Re: Woodchuck and Revo

2017-05-16 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

I second that! I want to see some pictures as well. 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:58:26 AM 
Subject: RE: Woodchuck and Revo 

Great if it looks good post a pic of the wave and let us know the settings and 
cutter always good for reference for us all with wave attachments 

Bill 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2017 9:12 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Woodchuck and Revo 

Bill 

 Where I was going wrong was too smaller gear on the leadscrew, Just changed it 
and a much better wave, Now all I have to do is put the blanks back on the 
Woodchuck and turn them to a smaller dia. Quite good having two mills saves 
cutter changing. 

Will then go back and change gears to see what waves I get  without changing 
the reciprocater 

Richard 

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:04:33 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote: 

Hi Everyone, 

Well, yesterday I needed quite a few blanks for testing out wave patterns on 
the Revo, using what limited cutters that I have. 

So went to the old Woodchuck using some rubbish pine wood, put a half inch 
spiral up-cut Milling cutter into the ER 20 collet  extension . 

Set the limit switches, set the speed on the drive to the spindle.    Don't 
trust the limit switches too much.!!!??? 

Two inch square blanks, two passes and a fairly clean cut surface.   Nice not 
to crank handles all day-- just stand back and when near the end of the 
cuts, just make sure the switches work. 

Today I will use the Woodchuck again to prepare , size and taper the Dia.for 
the Revo for testing what cutters I have . 

I must think about limit switches and a drive for the spindle for the Revo. 
More expense !! 

What cutters are you folk using for Wave Patterns ? 

Richard 

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Re: Woodchuck and Revo

2017-05-15 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Richard 
a "V" cutter works well, also something that has a small rounded bottom also 
looks nice. Remember you are adding details, at least at first I would only do 
light cuts, And as a matter of coarse you can always go bigger, once you have 
more time using the set-up and gain more confidence /skills with your new tool. 

Something that I do not believe that we have talked about as far as the wave 
attachment goes. is the way to keep the wave in sink. 
This is done before you start your first cut. 
Mark the gears with a straight line (sharpy marker works well.) I like to make 
my mark off center. 
Once you get to the end of your cut, stop the router, and bring back the router 
carriage back to the start. then while the carriage is Not engaged, turn the 
crank handle until all your marks you put on your gears,are back in line with 
each-other. form that point you can then index your parts and make the next 
cut. 
using this method all your waves will be all the same. 
NOW there is also a way to book-mark your cuts, so the waves run opposite from 
each-other, but at this time I think we can just say there is a way, and leave 
it for latter conversations. ;-) 

I wish you luck. and enjoy your new tool. 
Have a Great day. 

C.A.G. 


- Original Message -

From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:04:33 AM 
Subject: Woodchuck and Revo 

Hi Everyone, 
Well, yesterday I needed quite a few blanks for testing out wave patterns on 
the Revo, using what limited cutters that I have. 
So went to the old Woodchuck using some rubbish pine wood, put a half inch 
spiral up-cut Milling cutter into the ER 20 collet extension . 
Set the limit switches, set the speed on the drive to the spindle. Don't trust 
the limit switches too much.!!!??? 
Two inch square blanks, two passes and a fairly clean cut surface. Nice not to 
crank handles all day-- just stand back and when near the end of the 
cuts, just make sure the switches work. 
Today I will use the Woodchuck again to prepare , size and taper the Dia.for 
the Revo for testing what cutters I have . 
I must think about limit switches and a drive for the spindle for the Revo. 
More expense !! 
What cutters are you folk using for Wave Patterns ? 
Richard 



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The race is still on!!!

2017-05-09 Thread Curtis

Hello Everyone
 The free 1x8 tap, is still open to all people in our group. 
6 more days to go.

So far Bill is ahead, but Richard and Michael are not far behind him.

KEEP ON POSTING EVERYONE! ;-) 

C.A.G.

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Re: New design

2017-05-06 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

I think so? but at this time I just have not figured out how to do it,yet. 
I was hoping that with a different router bit will make it more pronounced? 
(and that still might be... perhaps a smaller cutter?) Tomorrow I am going to 
try it with a side fluting cutter bit. 
If that doesn't work, I think its more the template/rosette that needs to be 
bigger. or perhaps a finer follower...? 
I wish that I knew? 
I am having fun, exploring new ideas, and different methods. All the I can say 
now is, Those OLD DUDES had some very real smarts...( the OT guys.) ;-) If a 
man could do in back in the late 1700's. Im sure that, with a little work, I 
should be able to at the very least understand how to get this done. ;-) 

I want to be fully honest with everyone here, I would like you all to help me. 
Im sure someone out there could, or perhaps as a part of a collective we could 
do some Really Cool stuff with our Legacy's 
At least that's part of my goal. 
Have a good night. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 9:12:09 PM 
Subject: RE: New design 



It’s nice is it possible to get the pattern in the flute to stand out a little 
more? . I think that would really make it pop 



Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Sunday, 7 May 2017 8:55 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New design 





Hi Bill 


I agree here is the first thing, that I tried it out on today. Please let me 
know what you think? 





C.A.G. 



- Original Message -



From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 6:25:21 PM 
Subject: RE: New design 





It sure is a different and unique pattern something defiantly to keep to be 
used on future projects 



Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Sunday, 7 May 2017 6:36 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New design 





Hello Everyone 


Never give up! today's play time turned out something that I will be using more 
in the future. ;-) 





Its time of the Happy Dance!!! 





C.A.G. 






From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:50:09 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 





Thank you. 


The idea is to get the most of of the Legacy, I started looking as some other 
Ornamental turning equipment, trying to figure out different ways to make 
something different, I found an Ornamental slide rest in one of my Holtzappffel 
turning books. 


The concept of template following was made in the design of the Legacy, but how 
could I get more from a template then just following a straight line? 


Since Tim found the Atkinson"s reciprocating jig (which became the Wave 
attachment) I figured that the two concepts were close enough to each-other to 
be useful on the Legacy. 


I am still playing around with different shapes and sizes of templates. I am 
finding the simpler template shapes work best, Oval,triangle,square, hart shape 
... work nicely, but more Ornamental (detailed patterns like a rose lathe uses) 
dose not work well with this concept. 


Now what I am also looking at is , different types of cuts as well. example 
cutting form the side vs the top. or cutting for off center vs on center... 


I am planing to try an off center cut today, My theory is off center with a 
cutter and a more quick changing template, should give me a pumping action look 
(which is more an OT type of looking cut.) 


Wish me luck. and I will let you all know how it turns out. ;-) 





talk to you all more, latter. 


C.A.G. 






From: "Ccm Ccm"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:21:52 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 





Looks nice, I like the idea 





On Thursday, May 4, 2017, CURTIS GEORGE < curtgeo...@wowway.com > wrote: 




No problems there. ;-) 


I can go into more detail latter. All that I can say at this min. is there are 
a lot of possibility out there . 


Im going to hit the hay now. 


talk to you more latter. 





Have a good night. 


C.A.G. 






From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:38:59 AM 
Subject: RE: New design 





Oops you already did i didn’t see till i enlarged the pics 

Nice 



Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 3:36 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: New design 




That’s great curt can you show the Rosetta that made that pattern

Re: New design

2017-05-06 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

http://www.ornamentalturning.info/FILES/01-Holtz%20Vol.VI%202nd%20Ed.%20Part%201-%20Chapter%20Intros.pdf
 this link has some neat ideas! 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "MAX LATHAM"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 7:02:45 PM 
Subject: Re: New design 

A beautiful application ! 

I have "The Lathe" Holtzappffel and think it can be shared if no money changes 
hands. 

Likewise almost all the Legacy instructions can be shared via DVD, again 
without fund transfer? 

any one know for sure? 

max 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of CURTIS GEORGE 

Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 5:55 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New design 
Hi Bill 
I agree here is the first thing, that I tried it out on today. Please let me 
know what you think? 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 6:25:21 PM 
Subject: RE: New design 

It sure is a different and unique pattern something defiantly to keep to be 
used on future projects 

Bill 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Sunday, 7 May 2017 6:36 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New design 

Hello Everyone 

Never give up! today's play time turned out something that I will be using more 
in the future. ;-) 

Its time of the Happy Dance!!! 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:50:09 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 

Thank you. 

The idea is to get the most of of the Legacy, I started looking as some other 
Ornamental turning equipment, trying to figure out different ways to make 
something different, I found an Ornamental slide rest in one of my Holtzappffel 
turning books. 

The concept of template following was made in the design of the Legacy, but how 
could I get more from a template then just following a straight line? 

Since Tim found the Atkinson"s reciprocating jig (which became the Wave 
attachment) I figured that the two concepts were close enough to each-other to 
be useful on the Legacy. 

I am still playing around with different shapes and sizes of templates. I am 
finding the simpler template shapes work best, Oval,triangle,square, hart shape 
... work nicely, but more Ornamental (detailed patterns like a rose lathe uses) 
dose not work well with this concept. 

Now what I am also looking at is , different types of cuts as well. example 
cutting form the side vs the top. or cutting for off center vs on center... 

I am planing to try an off center cut today, My theory is off center with a 
cutter and a more quick changing template, should give me a pumping action look 
(which is more an OT type of looking cut.) 

Wish me luck. and I will let you all know how it turns out. ;-) 

talk to you all more, latter. 

C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Ccm Ccm"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:21:52 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 

Looks nice, I like the idea 

On Thursday, May 4, 2017, CURTIS GEORGE < curtgeo...@wowway.com > wrote: 

No problems there. ;-) 

I can go into more detail latter. All that I can say at this min. is there are 
a lot of possibility out there . 

Im going to hit the hay now. 

talk to you more latter. 

Have a good night. 

C.A.G. 

From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:38:59 AM 
Subject: RE: New design 

Oops you already did i didn’t see till i enlarged the pics 

Nice 

Bill 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 3:36 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: New design 

That’s great curt can you show the Rosetta that made that pattern 

Bill 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 3:23 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New design 

Just another one on the mill. 

C.A.G. 

From: "CURTIS GEORGE" < curtgeo...@wowway.com > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:17:11 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 

HI Bill 

No but you are close. its my home made jig that I am calling the Rose Follower 
. I used a 1/8" bull nose bit. and as you can see in the photo, I am playing 
around with an oval shaped pattern at this time, Switching the pattern/book 
marking. is much easier to

Re: New design

2017-05-05 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello everyone. 
I just got home form work. 
today's Legacy experiments did not work out as expected... But I did learn 
something new. (so I guess it was not a failure.) ;-) 

I hope everyone has a Great Weekend. talk to you all more tomorrow. 
Good night. 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:50:09 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 

Thank you. 
The idea is to get the most of of the Legacy, I started looking as some other 
Ornamental turning equipment, trying to figure out different ways to make 
something different, I found an Ornamental slide rest in one of my Holtzappffel 
turning books. 
The concept of template following was made in the design of the Legacy, but how 
could I get more from a template then just following a straight line? 
Since Tim found the Atkinson"s reciprocating jig (which became the Wave 
attachment) I figured that the two concepts were close enough to each-other to 
be useful on the Legacy. 
I am still playing around with different shapes and sizes of templates. I am 
finding the simpler template shapes work best, Oval,triangle,square, hart shape 
... work nicely, but more Ornamental (detailed patterns like a rose lathe uses) 
dose not work well with this concept. 
Now what I am also looking at is , different types of cuts as well. example 
cutting form the side vs the top. or cutting for off center vs on center... 
I am planing to try an off center cut today, My theory is off center with a 
cutter and a more quick changing template, should give me a pumping action look 
(which is more an OT type of looking cut.) 
Wish me luck. and I will let you all know how it turns out. ;-) 

talk to you all more, latter. 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Ccm Ccm"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:21:52 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 

Looks nice, I like the idea 

On Thursday, May 4, 2017, CURTIS GEORGE < curtgeo...@wowway.com > wrote: 



No problems there. ;-) 
I can go into more detail latter. All that I can say at this min. is there are 
a lot of possibility out there . 
Im going to hit the hay now. 
talk to you more latter. 

Have a good night. 
C.A.G. 


From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:38:59 AM 
Subject: RE: New design 



Oops you already did i didn’t see till i enlarged the pics 

Nice 



Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 3:36 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: New design 




That’s great curt can you show the Rosetta that made that pattern 

Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 3:23 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New design 





Just another one on the mill. 


C.A.G. 






From: "CURTIS GEORGE" < curtgeo...@wowway.com > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:17:11 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 








HI Bill 


No but you are close. its my home made jig that I am calling the Rose Follower 
. I used a 1/8" bull nose bit. and as you can see in the photo, I am playing 
around with an oval shaped pattern at this time, Switching the pattern/book 
marking. is much easier to do with this jig. 


I just was looking for something a little different. so far the hart shape is 
my favorite. different patterns make different designs. 





more latter. 


C.A.G. 



From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 12:49:09 AM 
Subject: RE: New design 





Nice done with the wave attachment in left and right hand directions ? 

Or am I totally wrong, looks good I like it also what router bit? 



Bill 






From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 2:30 PM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: New design 





Just wanted to know what you all think? 


This is just a test piece, I think it will become a pencil holder??? I just 
wanted to try something new. 


Any and All input is as always welcome! ;-) 





C.A.G. 






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Re: New design

2017-05-05 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Thank you. 
The idea is to get the most of of the Legacy, I started looking as some other 
Ornamental turning equipment, trying to figure out different ways to make 
something different, I found an Ornamental slide rest in one of my Holtzappffel 
turning books. 
The concept of template following was made in the design of the Legacy, but how 
could I get more from a template then just following a straight line? 
Since Tim found the Atkinson"s reciprocating jig (which became the Wave 
attachment) I figured that the two concepts were close enough to each-other to 
be useful on the Legacy. 
I am still playing around with different shapes and sizes of templates. I am 
finding the simpler template shapes work best, Oval,triangle,square, hart shape 
... work nicely, but more Ornamental (detailed patterns like a rose lathe uses) 
dose not work well with this concept. 
Now what I am also looking at is , different types of cuts as well. example 
cutting form the side vs the top. or cutting for off center vs on center... 
I am planing to try an off center cut today, My theory is off center with a 
cutter and a more quick changing template, should give me a pumping action look 
(which is more an OT type of looking cut.) 
Wish me luck. and I will let you all know how it turns out. ;-) 

talk to you all more, latter. 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -

From: "Ccm Ccm"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:21:52 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 

Looks nice, I like the idea 

On Thursday, May 4, 2017, CURTIS GEORGE < curtgeo...@wowway.com > wrote: 



No problems there. ;-) 
I can go into more detail latter. All that I can say at this min. is there are 
a lot of possibility out there . 
Im going to hit the hay now. 
talk to you more latter. 

Have a good night. 
C.A.G. 


From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:38:59 AM 
Subject: RE: New design 



Oops you already did i didn’t see till i enlarged the pics 

Nice 



Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 3:36 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: New design 




That’s great curt can you show the Rosetta that made that pattern 

Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 3:23 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New design 





Just another one on the mill. 


C.A.G. 






From: "CURTIS GEORGE" < curtgeo...@wowway.com > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:17:11 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 








HI Bill 


No but you are close. its my home made jig that I am calling the Rose Follower 
. I used a 1/8" bull nose bit. and as you can see in the photo, I am playing 
around with an oval shaped pattern at this time, Switching the pattern/book 
marking. is much easier to do with this jig. 


I just was looking for something a little different. so far the hart shape is 
my favorite. different patterns make different designs. 





more latter. 


C.A.G. 



From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 12:49:09 AM 
Subject: RE: New design 





Nice done with the wave attachment in left and right hand directions ? 

Or am I totally wrong, looks good I like it also what router bit? 



Bill 






From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 2:30 PM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: New design 





Just wanted to know what you all think? 


This is just a test piece, I think it will become a pencil holder??? I just 
wanted to try something new. 


Any and All input is as always welcome! ;-) 





C.A.G. 






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Re: New design

2017-05-03 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

No problems there. ;-) 
I can go into more detail latter. All that I can say at this min. is there are 
a lot of possibility out there . 
Im going to hit the hay now. 
talk to you more latter. 

Have a good night. 
C.A.G. 

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From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:38:59 AM 
Subject: RE: New design 



Oops you already did i didn’t see till i enlarged the pics 

Nice 



Bill 




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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 3:36 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: New design 




That’s great curt can you show the Rosetta that made that pattern 

Bill 




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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 3:23 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New design 





Just another one on the mill. 


C.A.G. 






From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:17:11 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 








HI Bill 


No but you are close. its my home made jig that I am calling the Rose Follower 
. I used a 1/8" bull nose bit. and as you can see in the photo, I am playing 
around with an oval shaped pattern at this time, Switching the pattern/book 
marking. is much easier to do with this jig. 


I just was looking for something a little different. so far the hart shape is 
my favorite. different patterns make different designs. 





more latter. 


C.A.G. 



From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 12:49:09 AM 
Subject: RE: New design 





Nice done with the wave attachment in left and right hand directions ? 

Or am I totally wrong, looks good I like it also what router bit? 



Bill 






From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 2:30 PM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: New design 





Just wanted to know what you all think? 


This is just a test piece, I think it will become a pencil holder??? I just 
wanted to try something new. 


Any and All input is as always welcome! ;-) 





C.A.G. 






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Re: Hello

2017-04-27 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Good morning Jason. 
Welcome to the Group. 
If you go to the Legacy web site, our archives are open to you. There has been 
lots of projects and concepts that you might like to look it. 

These videos were done by Mike Pung (one of our members as few years ago.) I 
highly recemend watching these for all Legacy owners, I have found that Mike's 
techniques work very well and are in many ways better then what Legacy taught 
in there training videos. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=7s (Gear indexing) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw (router travel indexing.) 

I believe these two techniques can be very helpfull with your Victorian 
stair-case project. 

Good luck. 
And Again Welcome to the group. 

C.A.G. 

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From: "Jason Fisher"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:44:47 AM 
Subject: Hello 

Hello from a new member in London . 
I'm Jason or JFC on the online woodworkery forums and bought my mill as a toy 
for my joinery workshop about ten years ago . 
Although not bought for work it quickly found a use copying victorian / 
edwardian staircase spindles that where missing or broken . 
I'm looking forward to seeing what projects you have all been up too . 
Jason . 



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Re: legacy accessories for sale

2017-04-26 Thread CURTIS GEORGE


I am sorry to hear that you are selling your Legacy. 
I do wish you luck in your ventures. 
There is one thing we need to know. Where are you located? someone in our group 
may be close to you, to make shipping much easier for everyone... 
Again I wish you luck, take care, and Please let us know how things turn out 
for you. 
C.A.G. 
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From: "woodfish510"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 6:21:10 PM 
Subject: legacy accessories for sale 


hi all. 
Do to other interests I'm selling my legacy 1200 mill and parts. 

I have items for the mill for sale. I bought these when I bought my 1200 
machine. these items are new I never used them 

1200 legacy mill with cnc standard upgrade. this has the upgraded z axis. 
Casters, dust bag. this does not come with router, or software, asking $4000.00 
. 
I have a rotary table.it has some rust but it can be cleaned. $150.00 including 
shipping 

L25gears $200,00 including shipping 

indexing upgrade kit $80.00 including shipping 

Pilaster mounting dog set $45.00 including shipping 

thin stock support assembly $90.00 including shipping 

there will be no shipping on my part of the machine. If you want shipping on 
machine that will up to you to arrange shippinng. if you somewhat local to me 
(Reading Pa) i can load on my trailer and delivery within a reasonable area. 
arrange can be after sale. 

pm me if interested. all items will be sold on first come basis. all items sold 
as it and comes with a no return policy. 
I listed all item with pictures so you can see what you are buying. will up 
load machine picture as soon as can dig machine out of garage. 

thanks 



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Re: Rotary Table

2017-04-25 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Here is the link for this topic that Richard posted back in Jan. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/legacy-ornamental-mills/weQcT8F8-kQ 

Perhaps Richard will find the time to add some more details? But this is where 
it all stared. 
C.A.G. 

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From: robertobecerralo...@hotmail.com 
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:01:57 PM 
Subject: Re: Rotary Table 


Hi friends, could put photos of how to make the rotary table, especially the 
pivot, to give me an idea, in advance thank you very much. 

El martes, 25 de abril de 2017, 3:05:36 (UTC-5), Richard Ellis escribió: 


Hi All 
Sometime ago I made a Rotary Table for my Woodchuck, If you want a pic, I do 
think I posted some.before 
I think I made a mistake in using a 160 tooth gear wheel when I should have 
used a 180.Tooth That way one tooth would have been a 2 degree move. What do 
you think?? 
However I think ( in my humble opinion ) that the locating rod through the 
center of my Table is far better than pencil marking the table to center the 
blank, as is shown on the demo by Legacy site that Bill kindly placed on this 
site from his Drop Box, Bowl Turning, Thanks Bill 
Open to critical comments please 
Richard 






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Re: Rotary Table

2017-04-25 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Richard 
I don't think the gear tooth count really means much, just as long as you know 
the count of the teeth, For most work the it isn't necessary, and for fine 
detail work, you can always use a calculator to find the degree you want. 
I don't use my turn table all that often, but... when I need to make rosettes, 
knowing what the count is, what is important, not the count itself. If you need 
to be exact, you can always use your drive gears and add or subtract for the 
gears, to get the number you need. (sorta like Mike's gear indexing, Video. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o BY using a little math, you can get 
any degree you wish. ) 

Richard, I like to use a quote a lot, about the artiest making the art... , 
Remember you make the rules when making the art, uniformity and consistency is 
what is important in my book. everything else is just details. ;-) 

Have a great day. 
C.A.G. 

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From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:05:36 AM 
Subject: Rotary Table 

Hi All 
Sometime ago I made a Rotary Table for my Woodchuck, If you want a pic, I do 
think I posted some.before 
I think I made a mistake in using a 160 tooth gear wheel when I should have 
used a 180.Tooth That way one tooth would have been a 2 degree move. What do 
you think?? 
However I think ( in my humble opinion ) that the locating rod through the 
center of my Table is far better than pencil marking the table to center the 
blank, as is shown on the demo by Legacy site that Bill kindly placed on this 
site from his Drop Box, Bowl Turning, Thanks Bill 
Open to critical comments please 
Richard 



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Re: indexing hub modification

2017-04-24 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

"Well" 
I have done my share of day-dreaming. Even while doing manual labor... ;-) 
Thank you. 
C.A.G. 
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From: "Charles Whitham"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 11:55:07 AM 
Subject: Re: indexing hub modification 

Brilliant! You must have been doing some serious thinking while removing those 
old shrubs. 

Monte 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of CURTIS GEORGE 

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 12:53 AM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: Fwd: indexing hub modification 

Hello Everyone 
I thought today was going to be a play day. sadly I was wrong, my wife had my 
day all planed out, Yard work. removing the old shrubs in the front and 
re-working the hole front yard. 

"Man" I am glad tomorrow is Monday, I don't think I could handle another day 
like today again. at least at work I get two 15 min. breaks and an 1/2 hour for 
lunch for an 8 hour day. No such luck here! ;-( 
I know Expect the Greater Re Ward ... 

Any How , Now that the sun is down I can go out a play in the shop some. 

Which brings up the indexing hub modification. 
I got a milk container full of wood spindles out of the garbage last week. Its 
nothing special just popular spindles, that the centers have already been 
drilled out. 
These spindles have a 1/4" hole on both ends, So what I did was to drill out a 
center of one of my indexing hubs and taped it for a 1/4"-20 screw. The 1/4" 
screw fits the hole (centering the hub) and with just one or two screws I can 
have a spindle ready for ether my Legacy or lathe in min.'s. 
Sometimes the simple things are the best! 

Any how here are a few pix. 

Please let my know what you think? 

C.A.G. 

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Re: indexing hub modification

2017-04-24 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Hello Tim 
Yes they are close, but I still ran a drill bit through the center of mine to 
make sure, (better safe, then sorry.) Then I taped it. 
It was the easiest way of mounting that I could think of. A 4 jaw chuck would 
take up to much room, and the hole in the spindle was to big to use a drive 
spur,or the lathe screw, 
and I would have to drilled out the hole to use my pin chuck. so the Legacy 
indexing hubs were my best choice for this job. ( I say Job, loosely, At this 
time, these spindles are just test pieces for me to practice on, but you never 
know there just might be a job to come up, where these spindles could make me 
some cash???) ;-) But I find, using new concept/ ideas most often just find new 
ways to make saw dust. Why waist good wood? 

have a good day. 
C.A.G. 

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From: "Tim Krause"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Cc: "Legacy-Ornamental-Mills"  
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:22:34 PM 
Subject: Re: Fwd: indexing hub modification 

FYI Curt, the hole in the index hubs are dimensionally close enough to just run 
the tap through and get a good fit for the 1/4-20. 

-Tim 

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On Apr 23, 2017, at 5:53 PM, CURTIS GEORGE < curtgeo...@wowway.com > wrote: 




Hello Everyone 
I thought today was going to be a play day. sadly I was wrong, my wife had my 
day all planed out, Yard work. removing the old shrubs in the front and 
re-working the hole front yard. 

"Man" I am glad tomorrow is Monday, I don't think I could handle another day 
like today again. at least at work I get two 15 min. breaks and an 1/2 hour for 
lunch for an 8 hour day. No such luck here! ;-( 
I know Expect the Greater Re Ward ... 

Any How , Now that the sun is down I can go out a play in the shop some. 

Which brings up the indexing hub modification. 
I got a milk container full of wood spindles out of the garbage last week. Its 
nothing special just popular spindles, that the centers have already been 
drilled out. 
These spindles have a 1/4" hole on both ends, So what I did was to drill out a 
center of one of my indexing hubs and taped it for a 1/4"-20 screw. The 1/4" 
screw fits the hole (centering the hub) and with just one or two screws I can 
have a spindle ready for ether my Legacy or lathe in min.'s. 
Sometimes the simple things are the best! 

Any how here are a few pix. 

Please let my know what you think? 

C.A.G. 











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Re: legacy classes

2017-04-23 Thread CURTIS GEORGE


I Like milling the bowls! I forgot about this one. Nice find and Thank you for 
posting Bill. 
C.A.G. 
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From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:37:09 AM 
Subject: legacy classes 



Because it’s a little slow here lately 

One night here when I had nothing to do I converted the old legacy classes to 
pfd format and I have them on dropbox for a while if anyone wants some of them. 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c1l2rk3x7x8u8tp/AABDOUO18HBunlPyT1m7sQ1aa?dl=0 





Bill 




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Re: Very quiet on here

2017-04-23 Thread CURTIS GEORGE

Good morning ! To everyone. 

Is it the calm before the storm??? ;-) 
Bill this 1000EX looks to be a nice set up. (Lots of extras) But for the money, 
I think Rob's machine is a far better deal. 
http://monterey.craigslist.org/tls/6085760005.html . 

with a ball bearing head-stock and dive screw. this machine is years ahead of 
the older machines.(and for the price! there is NO comparison,The almighty 
dollar wins!) ;-) 

Richard I cant wait to see your new walking stick. (I have not turned Ivy 
before.) If your wood is still green, are you going to try bending the handle? 
With green wood I have had good luck with both steam and soaking the wood 
before bending. I wish you luck, I cant wait to see what you come up with. 
talk to you all more latter. 
C.A.G. 



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From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:28:35 AM 
Subject: RE: Very quiet on here 



Yes very quiet here’s a mill on eBay to look at for sale 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-Woodworking-Ornamental-Router-Mill-Model-1000EX-/322475967485?hash=item4b1510c3fd:g:~v4AAOSwDmBY5uIT
 



Bill 




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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 6:15 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Very quiet on here 





Where are you all ??? 


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Legacy CNC video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m11SMOdQAdA 

Now this idea hits a home run! Nice video and concept, it almost makes me what 
to buy one now ! ;-) 

C.A.G. 

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Re: Legacy ornamental mill model 900 for sale

that is a nice machine at a very far (even a little low) price tag. It should 
sell fast. Now are you looking or selling? 

C.A.G. 

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From: "rob Stoddard"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 6:10:02 PM 
Subject: Legacy ornamental mill model 900 for sale 

posted on craigslist. Go to http://monterey.craigslist.org/tls/6085760005.html 
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Re: Revo

Hello Richard 
I have a neat trip for box joints for you. 

I cut large joints (mainly for speed.) and then drill a small hole on ether 
side of the tooth. (the spacing between the joints.) and in that hole I peg it 
with a tooth pick, or a bamboo skew, as my dowel. just a few pins will keep 
your box joints solid, while the glue is drying. and it even works well if you 
choose not to glue the joint. (I think of it as a poor mans dove tail joint.) 
:-). 
C.A.G. 

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From: "Richard Ellis"  
To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills"  
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:35:48 AM 
Subject: Re: Revo 

Thanks for the you tube I had seen it before , but thanks anyway. 
One thing that puzzles me is the fact that the jigs used to make the tenons, 
mortices and dovetails etc are not shown.!!! ??? I always find that the 
accurate jig making is the hardestthing to do. 
I can do box joints, and with the table that I made out of 18mm ply enables me 
to do flat planing, routing reeds flutes etc. 
I am still a little unsure if it is that much better than the Woodchuck, which 
as Mike has proved is very adaptable. 
No doubt I shall buy the Revo but time will tell. 
I have another question for you --- off Forum Could you email me ---It is about 
another forum 
Thanks 
Richard 

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 10:44:17 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 




The revo can do a great many things don’t underestimate it. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpDJNYqCrEU 

It is featured a few times in legacys video and all the spindle work on here 
the revo can do as well 

Bill 




From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ellis 
Sent: Saturday, 15 April 2017 2:39 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Revo 





Thanks for that Bill 


I have had a three respond to my request for a Revo, will have to wait and see 
who has the most extras, all seem to be in the south of the U.K. so not too far 
for me to travel. 


I am still not sure if the Revo can do more things that I can;t do on my 
Woodchuck, Got to see one in the flesh, at least it won't take up as much room 
as my Woodchuck!!! 


Regards 


Richard 

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 5:13:52 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: 


Here is a list i have of most of the extras i think that were available for the 
revo back in the day with some of the prices they charged for them. 

To help you decide what extras you might want for a revo if you buy one . 



Bill 








From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim Krause 
Sent: Friday, 14 April 2017 8:51 PM 
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Revo 





There where two models. I'll have to refer you to the hidden history page 
again. http://ornamentalmills.com/history/index.html 





The choice of accessories is really up to you and the work you see yourself 
doing. Personally I'd get all the gears available to my 900. I'd also get the 
missing directional gear. I liked the pin router option that can be seen on 
Legacy's site in the pedestal table. I would also like to have a rotary table. 
I'd also add an aftermarket 4 jaw chuck. 





I don't see any value in the dovetail and box joint attachment. They seem a bit 
crude and do not show elegant craftsmanship. I do value the concept of how a 
jig like them could be setup. 





That's my starting point. 





-Tim 








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From: Richard Ellis 


To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 


Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 1:43 AM 


Subject: Revo 





Hi all you Legacy folk 


I am looking at buying a Revo, and came across an old post by Bill ---:Saying 
about extras for the Revo. 


I was wondering which are the most important extras that would be useful. 


Bill posted on the 10.5.14 about extras See below 


Richard 


If you want to choose pick one with as many extras as possible 










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Re: 1"x8 tap???

Thank you for the link. Yes there is a difference, but I believe it has to do 
more with chip removal and how to mount the tap. I have never used a speed tap 
like what he shows. I use a tapping guide, tap wrench, or a crescent wrench 
(which is not the right tool for the job. but everyone uses them, despite 
it...) On the lathe or mill... I use the live center and a crescent wrench to 
tap, and on the drill press the same process, putting a center point in the 
chuck, and then mount the tap so that the point is in the end of the tap. (its 
used as a tapping guide to keep the tap straight.) and I turn it with a wrench 
(slowly) into the wood. backing the tap out every one to two rev. to break the 
chip out. as I am tapping. (this method I use for all tapping meterals. it may 
not be needed for wood, but its a good habit just in case, ALWAYS clear the 
chip. or else you can bog up the cut, and causing the cutter to jam in the 
hole.) 

C.A.G. 

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From: "Michael Kratky"  
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Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 10:18:31 AM 
Subject: RE: 1"x8 tap??? 



There is a difference between metal taps and wood taps this video may help: 



http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/wood-whisperer-thread-taps-pre-sale 



Mike K 






From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arkady Paka 
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:00 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: 1"x8 tap??? 





Hello Curtis. 


I want to buy the tap here in Ukraine. 


There are some options. BSW, BSF, UNC, UNF 


Which one have I choose? 

Arkady 





2017-04-15 7:34 GMT+03:00 CURTIS GEORGE < curtgeo...@wowway.com >: 








Hello Everyone 





Here are a few pictures. 


The first is the tap that I will be giving away, On the left the taps with-out 
the protective coating on it.The other is the way you will be getting yours. 
(with the protective coating on.) 


As you can see this taps are beefy and very well made. 


The second pix. is the Beall tap vs the metal tap. (not trying to put on over 
the other, Its just, quality shows.) the bigger tap is better made, it will cut 
metal, (steel, Alum. cast iron.) wood, plastic... Just about what every you 
would like to use it on. 





C.A.G. 





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Re: 1"x8 tap???