RE: legacy design kit

[Stan Partin]

Thx.

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Subject: RE: legacy design kit

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/tls/d/northfield-legacy-ornamental-milling/6961228117.html

I took a look at the craigslist posting. Looks good!
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On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 7:26 PM, Stan Partin
 wrote:
Hi all,
I have a Legacy 60" Ornamental Mill model EX 1000 with EX floor stand package. 
I am probably never going to use it due to space limitations. I  am considering 
offers. It is listed on Craigslist, Northfield, MN.
Have  look
Stan
 
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From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 2:40 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: legacy design kit
 
HI Jim
 
take a photo. You know what they say, "a photo is worth a 1000 words".  :-)
 
C.A.G.
 
On Saturday, August 24, 2019, 02:58:40 PM EDT, 4 Jim Carpenter 
 wrote: 
 
 
Yes, support  is great, so while all are reading. I have a .25x gear with
16 flat edged double back plates but only a red index 36 with 12 flat edges.
do they go together and what value (s) if and not ?
 
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 6:41 AM Brafield Bodger  wrote:
I keep getting the feeling I've been shortchanged.
 
Good news is I have now received the headstock screw to enable me to mount the 
supernova chuck.  Wasn't cheap but this was the only one I found that had the 
right screw thread so I think I've saves a few £ pounds by not having to 
purchase a new insert.
 
Think that is the lot for my wallet for now so I suppose I better get on and 
actually try and make something :)
 
Thanks for all the advice and support folks.
 
Ray
 
 
 
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RE: legacy design kit

[Stan Partin]

Hi all,
I have a Legacy 60" Ornamental Mill model EX 1000 with EX floor stand package. 
I am probably never going to use it due to space limitations. I  am considering 
offers. It is listed on Craigslist, Northfield, MN.
Have  look
Stan

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From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 2:40 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: legacy design kit

HI Jim

take a photo. You know what they say, "a photo is worth a 1000 words".  :-)

C.A.G.

On Saturday, August 24, 2019, 02:58:40 PM EDT, 4 Jim Carpenter 
 wrote: 


Yes, support  is great, so while all are reading. I have a .25x gear with
16 flat edged double back plates but only a red index 36 with 12 flat edges.
do they go together and what value (s) if and not ?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 6:41 AM Brafield Bodger  wrote:
I keep getting the feeling I've been shortchanged.

Good news is I have now received the headstock screw to enable me to mount the 
supernova chuck.  Wasn't cheap but this was the only one I found that had the 
right screw thread so I think I've saves a few £ pounds by not having to 
purchase a new insert.

Think that is the lot for my wallet for now so I suppose I better get on and 
actually try and make something :)

Thanks for all the advice and support folks.

Ray



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Re: 1500 steelley

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Sold for 1600.00 plus 15% buyers premeum

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 9:53:39 PM UTC-4, Stan Eichelberger wrote:
>
> 1500 for auction on I R S Auctions mconnelsville ny  lot 133 ends 11-31 
> bid is at 25.00 .   Don't know how to post a link wish I was closer lot's 
> of acc, motor drive.
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1500 steelley

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

1500 for auction on I R S Auctions mconnelsville ny  lot 133 ends 11-31 bid 
is at 25.00 .   Don't know how to post a link wish I was closer lot's of 
acc, motor drive.

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RE: New member - Stan Partin

[Stan Partin]

Thx Dexter,
I see what you mean.
Stan
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From: Dexter Bland
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 3:37 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Re: New member - Stan Partin

Stan,
Manual and other project info sent to your email. It will be like drinking from 
a firehose for a while. 
Good luck.
db
-Original Message- 
From: stanpar...@charter.net 
Sent: Aug 13, 2018 8:41 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: New member 
Hello everyone,
 he was unable to locate the owners/set up manualAssistance in this 
matter would be much appreciated.
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FW: New member

[Stan Partin]

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From: stanpar...@charter.net
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 10:28 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: New member

Hello everyone,

I recently acquired a Legacy 1000EX with floor stand & a Porter Cable 7539 
router. The seller is in the process of moving & selling off his shop. With all 
the distractions of selling his home, tools, & packing to move, he was unable 
to locate the owners/set up manual. He gave me several informational VHS tapes, 
but they do not address the basic set up info & techniques I need to get 
started & understand this machine. I have searched on line to no avail for this 
information. Assistance in this matter would be much appreciated.
,
I retired on June 30th, after 20 yrs as a Hospice Nurse, & have been an on & 
off woodworker for many years. I now plan to dive much deeper into the hobby.

I am working on setting up a permanent shop with the 1000EX as it's focal point.

In addition to my new mill, I also have a Shopsmith with most accessories, (I 
inherited it from my Father in law), a 70s vintage Craftsman table saw, three 
wood lathes, mini, midi, & full sized with a 72" bed, planer, oscillating 
spindle sander, router crafters, router table, several routers, drill press, 
miter saws, dust collection, & many other small wood working, wood carving, & 
mechanics tools. I may need to do some downsizing myself!

I plan on making walking sticks, wands, flutes, children's furniture, & wooden 
coffins/caskets. 

My other passion is antique clocks. I play the drums & the lap dulcimer. (I may 
try my hand at making dulcimers, as well.)

I look forward to participating in this forum.

Thanks,

Stan the Man (Many people call me that, even if they don't know who He was.)
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Re: Ornamental Mills Questionnaire

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

done

On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 12:07:34 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> Hello All, 
>
> I'm in the process of a complete overhaul of our official website 
> ornamentalmills.com.  I've created a really short questionnaire that I 
> hope everyone will take a moment to fill out.  Your answers are private 
> and can be anonymous if you wish. 
>
> The questions will be up for a week.  Follow the link below. 
>
> https://goo.gl/forms/SBXInFW46ujkpvBk1 
>
> -Tim 
>
>
>

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Re: Merry Christmas

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Happy New Year to all

On Tuesday, December 26, 2017 at 12:39:32 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote:
>
> Greetings to all.  
> Not sure if my email to Bill and LOM Group Members - wishing all a Merry 
> Christmas was received prior to Bill's "request"/challenge for all to reply 
> with a Merry Christmas ever went through - since I never saw postings on 
> it. 
> (Bill's email had Subject: "Legacy Owner"  DTG:  Date: Dec 24, 2017 3:39 
> PM)
>
> SO here is a "Cut & Paste" of my earlier message/wish for all:
> Mac
> --
>
> Thanks for sharing Bill.  Yes, it has been quiet here lately - hear the 
> crickets?.
> I expect you will be The First to report to us what Santa Claus brought 
> you for Christmas - since he goes there first.  Those of us in Europe and 
> the Americas will have to follow up later.
>
> That being said, then I don't mind taking the time to wish all our Legacy 
> Ornamental Mill Group members a 
>
>
> *Very Merry Christmas and a Safe, Healthy, and Happy New Year!* May you 
> all get what you wanted/needed to improve your life, family, and/or your 
> woodworking "skills/knowledge"!
>
> “And so, as Tiny Tim observed, God bless Us, Every One!” 
> ― Charles Dickens 
> , A 
> Christmas Carol  
>
> Mac
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>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Bill Bulkeley 
> Sent: Dec 24, 2017 3:39 PM 
> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: RE: merry christmas 
>
> How about this Christmas we have every member post a Christmas hello to 
> show how many members are watching i’d like to hear from every one so 
> please post a Christmas hello to the group everyone don’t be shy
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Bill 
> Bulkeley
> *Sent:* Monday, 25 December 2017 7:06 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* merry christmas
>
>  
>
> Ho ho ho well its Christmas morning here now i hope Santa got me something 
> woodwork related,
>
> Merry Christmas to all from down under.hope you all have a great day when 
> Christmas day reaches you all as well.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>

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Re: lumberjocks

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Bill  I have posted a project here that did not get posted on L J but life 
gets in the way sometimes

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 6:57:58 PM UTC-4, aussiman wrote:
>
> http://lumberjocks.com/topics/239721
>
>  
>
> http://lumberjocks.com/projects/226034
>
>  
>
> i wish these people would post on our group very nice work here
>
>  
>
> Bill
>

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Re: Make a "Split Nut"

[Stan Shuford]

3D printers can use several types of filament. They range from flexible to
very hard in many colors. There is also a nylon filament.
Joe, I haven't seen delrin or teflon listed but I suspect there is
something similar.
You can use Sketchup to design almost anything and save it to a .stl file.
I just got my printer recently and I've only used
PLA filament which seems to be very rigid and easy to work with. It's
amazing what it does. I've been making some gears and racks for a small
machine I'm building - a total of 59 parts so far. I think that a split nut
would be fairly easy to do. Look at www.thingiverse.com to see what people
are printing.

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:14 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> Could the printer work with delrin or teflon?
>
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Re: Make a "Split Nut"

[Stan Shuford]

If you have a 3D printer you actually print a splint nut.

Stan Shuford
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On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Tim Krause  wrote:

> HDPE is a little soft.  Over on another machinist form that I'm on people
> have heated a lead screw and pressed acetal  (delrin) around the screw to
> form threads.  It takes multiple heating attempts and practice.
>
> Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=10215>
> On Aug 3, 2017, at 9:23 AM, MWF  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I am not sure how well a split nut made from HDPE will hold up - but here
>> is my 2-cents' worth:
>> HDPE (Look on bottom of plastic jugs, bottles, etc for the Recycle symbol
>> w/the #2) is the only plastic that I know of that we can "re-purpose" at
>> home.
>> Do an Internet/BING search for this - you'll be amazed.
>>
>> I find that the plastic Folgers and Maxwell House coffee canisters are
>> labeled #2 - as are most milk jugs.  The two coffee brands yield red and
>> blue plastic respectively.
>> My thought is that you embed a matching Acme rod into the mold you melt
>> the #2 plastic in. Once cooled, you should be able to "unscrew" the rod
>> from the plastic billet.  You then cut/machine the billet to the exterior
>> measurements you need and then split it down the center line.  "Machining"
>> can be done with your router, bandsaw, etc.
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea of how well the #2 plastic (HDPE) will hold up?
>> Even if it wears down after 6 months of use - you will be able to reuse
>> that worn out piece, with some added #2 plastic, and melt/mold a new
>> piece.  If your mold & billet is long enough, you can produce a
>> year's-worth in one mold.
>>
>> If anyone tries this - or something similar, please share pictures and
>> results.
>>
>> Mac
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>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> Sent: Aug 3, 2017 10:00 AM
>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> Subject: Re: Wood Chuck Tour by Mike Pung
>>
>> i'll offer an opinion here, as this could have been a problem for me on
>> my recently acquired 1500...the problem is, due to the action/movement of
>> the lead screw, the threads in the split nut wear sideways, especially when
>> using a drive motor...think of each cross section of thread as a square(see
>> photo)...I measured the cross section of the thread(in a new nut) to be
>> .140" wide...in the photo of the worn nut, that same dimension is down to
>> .065...so you could say the thread went from 1/8" full(new) to 1/16"...and
>> sanding the nut down is not going to improve the function of the nut, in my
>> opinion...maybe early on you can sand the nut to get a bit more life out of
>> it, but that's it...the key to solving this problem is finding the 5/8-4
>> acme thread tap...once you have the tap, to make a new split nut is
>> somewhat simple...and anyone who has that "hinged" split nut, I would swap
>> that out and set up a sliding split nut...much more problematic to make
>> that hinged split nut...so, if any member knows where to get that tap, here
>> or overseas, please let the group know...I certainly would like to purchase
>> one...barring that, I would also attempt to make a tap from some acme,
>> threaded rod, if I had to...and the casting idea is also an excellent
>> idea...joe b.
>>
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Re: Question for all? on the Wave attachment.

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

I also would like to know more

On Monday, December 26, 2016 at 1:45:26 PM UTC-5, Curtis wrote:
>
> I received an E-mail from one person with in our group, asking me to 
> explain how I made my Wave Attachment and How I use it.
> I am planing to make a few postings and breakdown of what I do and how... 
> My question for you all.  since there has not been a lot of entrust in the 
> wave attachment in the past. I would like to know if anyone else would like 
> to know more about the Wave attachment? 
> If not I will make these posting privately to him. But if any of you would 
> like to know more, I can and will post them to the group.
> Please let me know what you think?
>
> C.A.G.
>

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Re: Different indexing methods.

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Happy birthday Tim

On Sunday, October 2, 2016 at 1:47:47 PM UTC-4, Curtis wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
> I know and do like to use Mikes gear indexing method, it works very well 
> for complex/numbers of cuts.  But for simple indexing. 
> This is another method that I like to use.  
> Its easy and to the point.(excuse the pun) What  you see is what you get, 
> type of method.
>  
> I had these disks cut form me, I wedge them between the indexing plate and 
> the screw that hold the plate onto the legacy's head-stock. with out any 
> troubles you can see the holes from indexing plate, there is no counting of 
> holes just, unlock the indexing pin and adjust the plate to the edge to the 
> plastic stencil .
>
> ON the indexing methods 2. I found out that the magnetic dryer vent covers 
> do a very good job, they stick to the steel, can be locked into place and 
> do not move unless you remove them. The best part with this is, the sheets 
> are cheep to buy and easy to cut with a pair of scissors. (the price for 
> these sheets were under $5.00 for the pack.) so they offer a cheap and 
> effective method of indexing that is the same but different method.The 
> old saying goes, "there is always more then one way to skin a cat". Here 
> are two examples Of how to do the same thing, differently. ;-)  
>
> C.A.G.
>

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Re: candy dish

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Curtis it is made of walnut there are 6 spindles but made 8 used the best 
6. Aussiman don't remember pitch bit was a1" barley hollowed with 3/8 
straight. Turned  the part the bowl sits on on a J line lathe. when I went 
to glue up the base could not find my band clamp late at night and on a 
deadline , took a piece of a 2"ratchet strap screwed it on the jaws of  a 
handscrew clamp instant band clamp .Sanded them with strips of sandpaper 
finish is rattlecan poly semi gloss

On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 11:02:31 PM UTC-4, Stan Eichelberger wrote:
>
> candy dish made for Mansfield  State Prison honor  guard to thank the 
> furnual home where they practice.  Spindles made on 900 mill
>

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Re: Wood Chuck Tour by Mike Pung

[Stan Shuford]

You knocked it out of the park - or maybe the shop!
Good job, Mike.

Stan Shuford
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On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <
legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:

> Well guys and gals, I decided a few minutes ago to do a quick video about
> my Wood Chuck.  This will show what I have done and should answer a few
> questions and create a lot more.  Enjoy  https://youtu.be/ooqZZkCp7tI
>
> Mike
>
> OK
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Re: double sided tape

[Stan Shuford]

I buy my double sided tape from Craft Supply. The web site is
www.woodturnerscatalog.com

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> I’m reposting this with a new heading so any one in the future searching
> our archives looking for info on double sided tape will hopefully be able
> to find it easier . i hope it comes up as a new topic
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uTsQ3dYRrk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have not used the method described on the link below but  plan to in the
> near future.  I need to buy the supper glue and accelerant.
>
> It is not double sided tape but hopefully a better method.
>
>
>
> Harvey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uTsQ3dYRrk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Phil Burns  wrote:
>
> I just got a manual Legacy 1000xl mill and just started using it, my first
> project being a flag display box.  I am learning by my mistakes.  My
> question is what is a good source for the double sided tape used to hold
> the project in place while milling it?  Does it have to be the foam kind? I
> got a partial roll of the foam stuff with the machine, but there is no
> brand stamp on it so don't know what kind it is or from where to order it.
> I've been looking online and there seems to be  different kinds, going from
> about $7 a roll up to $20.  A suggestion for an online source would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Phil
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Re: Ornamental Mills Around the World

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Stan Eichelberger 
Greenwich OhioOn Sunday, July 7, 2013 at 4:54:45 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> Legacy 900I accidentally deleted this thread when I was trying to remove 
> all the off topic messages in the thread.   
>
> We have a hidden group map that shows where the owners of Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills are located around the World.  
>
> The map can be found here: http://ornamentalmills.com/map/usermap.html
>
> For instruction on how to place your marker on the map: 
> http://ornamentalmills.com/map/map_directions.html
>
> This is also a great way to introduce yourself to our group.  I feel the 
> map should be open to all owners of Legacy's equipment.  CNC members don't 
> be shy. 
>
> -Tim
>  
>

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Re: hollow spiral candle sticks

[Stan Shuford]

I have made a bunch of the hollow spiral candlesticks and my mistakes are
my wife's favorites!

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 11:20 PM, Bill Bulkeley 
wrote:

> Here is a you tube video I found of a young man making a candle stick on
> his legacy.
>
> I like this video he leaves in his mistakes instead of editing them out
> and  I’m sure we all have made similar boo boos I know I have.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Part1  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzFLcdmsDDY
>
>
>
> Part 2  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROPPkgK5I_4
>
>
>
> I do like the base design he came up with and I like his mistake spiral
> best
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: Digital Woodcarver 4 axis CNC

[Stan Shuford]

I was not aware of the 17k price tag for the Maverick. That's well beyond
my hobby budget.
I thought that Tracy had said that the price is lower than the Arty price
but not sure what that means.
He said that they are not taking Artys in as a trade-up because the
Maverick would be a "trade down".

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Michael Kratky 
wrote:

> Hope so at a $17,000 price tag.
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stan Shuford
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 24, 2016 9:00 AM
> *To:* Group Legacy Mill
> *Subject:* Re: Digital Woodcarver 4 axis CNC
>
>
>
> Legacy's new Maverick CNC machine looks to be the best. It looks like it
> is built like a tank which is
>
> very important in a CNC. It has a built in turning center and a large bed.
> If I didn't already have an Arty
>
> it would be my choice. No other company does the CNC training that Legacy
> does and the on-line support
>
> is very good. They have a person (other than the sales guys) that answers
> support requests.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Stan Shuford
> s...@shuford.com
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 5:36 PM, carstenstigers <
> carstenstig...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I have been looking into cnc and unfortunately am pretty
> sure that legacy will not be the way I go. Past customer support has
> generated just many doubts of what I might get myself into. Am currently
> looking at shopbot. I am also looking at a few other options. My mind is
> not yet made up on a particular setup, just browsing so far.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Michael Kratky 
> Date: 2016/01/23 12:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Digital Woodcarver 4 axis CNC
>
> Legacy opted out of “The Woodworking Shows” (www.thewoodworkingshows.com)
> this year on the east coast for what every reason but from what I saw
> yesterday at the New England Woodworking Show in West Springfield their
> replacement *Digital Wood Carver* is going to more than give Legacy a run
> for their money at least for the blue collar worker like me.
>
>
>
> Check them out and tell me what you think.
>
>
>
>
>
> www.digitalwoodcarver.com
>
>
>
> Michael P. Kratky
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Re: second turning on L O M

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Tim i turned the top and bottom on a lathe . aussiman I did use the steady 
rest  and had the clear plastic shroud that hangs down get caught between 
the steady and barley twist .I will take it off for the next

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 11:22:48 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> Did you combine the use of the rotary table and faceplate turning to make 
> the top and bottoms?  Pretty nice for your second piece.
>  
> -Tim
>  
>  
>  
>

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Re: Digital Woodcarver 4 axis CNC

[Stan Shuford]

Legacy's new Maverick CNC machine looks to be the best. It looks like it is
built like a tank which is
very important in a CNC. It has a built in turning center and a large bed.
If I didn't already have an Arty
it would be my choice. No other company does the CNC training that Legacy
does and the on-line support
is very good. They have a person (other than the sales guys) that answers
support requests.






Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 5:36 PM, carstenstigers 
wrote:

> Interesting.  I have been looking into cnc and unfortunately am pretty
> sure that legacy will not be the way I go. Past customer support has
> generated just many doubts of what I might get myself into. Am currently
> looking at shopbot. I am also looking at a few other options. My mind is
> not yet made up on a particular setup, just browsing so far.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Michael Kratky 
> Date: 2016/01/23 12:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Digital Woodcarver 4 axis CNC
>
> Legacy opted out of “The Woodworking Shows” (www.thewoodworkingshows.com)
> this year on the east coast for what every reason but from what I saw
> yesterday at the New England Woodworking Show in West Springfield their
> replacement *Digital Wood Carver* is going to more than give Legacy a run
> for their money at least for the blue collar worker like me.
>
>
>
> Check them out and tell me what you think.
>
>
>
>
>
> www.digitalwoodcarver.com
>
>
>
> Michael P. Kratky
>
>
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Re: New Members and Moderation

['Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Hello I just bought a 900 mill and looking for information on 
its use.called legacy looking for mounting hubs mine has none. ordered the 
starter set of bits from magna hope to make shavings soon

On Saturday, March 31, 2012 at 8:07:09 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
>  Hello New Members, 
>  
> This is a reminder that until you post a message, your messages must be 
> approved by either an owner or moderators of this group to be 
> posted.  Google sends an automated message to the people that 
> are responsible for approving messages, but please be aware it can be a 
> very long delay.   
>  
> Getting off the moderated list is easy as posting a message introducing 
> yourself.  Asking a question related to the equipment or posting a photo is 
> always good for getting instant approval.  I still believe this is a family 
> friendly place so please don't be shy.  
>  
> As of today, there are 63 members that have joined since 2010 that have 
> never posted a message.  I sure would like to hear from them either here in 
> this thread, or feel free to send me a note off the list so I can update 
> your status.  
>  
> -Tim
>  
>

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Re: Explorer CNC News

[Stan Shuford]

Tim, Tracy said that they are in the process of updating their website, He
announced that at the online class yesterday. The first part of the upgrade
is on legacycncwoodworking.com. There is a new tab thay reads "Support
Ticket". We can now submit a problem or question which goes to Tracy and
will be tracked for closure. Hopefully this will resolve some of the slow
or no response from phone calls/emails for support.  Other website
renewals/upgrades will be phased in according to Tracy, including the
machines section.

-Stan


On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 8:56 PM, CURTIS GEORGE  wrote:

> Pretty Neat Tim !
> but it looks like they gave away your unit again. ;-p
>
> Thanks for everything.
> C.A.G.
>
> --
> *From: *"Tim Krause" 
> *To: *Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 6, 2015 6:20:42 PM
> *Subject: *Explorer CNC News
>
> It's really hard to get images of Legacy machines when they are behind on
> updating their website.  I found this article in a UK newsletter and
> extracted the page.  Notice the stand and the optional joinery
> attachment.   In the article it mentions the 50" model, that's also not
> news to me, but could be for others.  Also take note of the donation at the
> end of the article.  That's pretty cool if you ask me.  See the attachment
> for the article.
>
> -Tim
>
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Re: Tims Mill

[Stan Shuford]

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Stan Shuford  wrote:

> I'll try again.
>
>
> Stan Shuford
> s...@shuford.com
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Tim Krause 
> wrote:
>
>>  Stan, I could not get the link to work.
>>
>> Well, I hesitate to say this, but I believe I will be entering Legacy's
>> CNC world soon.  I got a call this morning saying trading the Evolution for
>> an Explorer would be a better direction than getting another manual machine
>> to work with.  I'm very excited to see what I can do with the machine in my
>> hands.
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> *From:* Stan Shuford 
>> *To:* Group Legacy Mill 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:30 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Tims Mill
>>
>> Tim, I would love to see you get into the CNC thing with several of us.
>> The learning curve would be easy for you and it adds
>> a large new level of capability to your woodworking. Here is a link to a
>> picture of my latest CNC project for a local church children's minister for
>> Advent.
>> It is made so that the kids can remove the candles and the "flame" is
>> removable so that they can "light the candles".
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205161584307991&set=a.4680813067083.2190553.1496498553&type=1
>>
>>   Stan Shuford
>> s...@shuford.com
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Tim Krause 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I still have not received my Evolution yet.  It's been over a year.
>>> I've heard that sales are not going that well on the Evolution.  I wonder
>>> if I can trade my machine in for an Explorer with the turning option.  That
>>> way I can help others Legacy cnc owners the way I have helped those in the
>>> manual machine world.  I hear the cnc machines are flying off the shelves.
>>>
>>> -Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Bill Bulkeley 
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:55 PM
>>> *Subject:* RE: Tims Mill
>>>
>>>  Where are you Tim did they honour their promise yet or are you still
>>> waiting
>>>
>>> How long has it been? a year or is it longer, perhaps evo production is
>>> very slow
>>>
>>> Or has it followed the revo and is gone before it even got started I
>>> wonder, after all the you tube video is gone so I believe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron Taylor
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 10 November 2014 11:21 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Tims Mill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Coincidentally I was just wondering the same thing myself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Bill Bulkeley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was just wondering does anybody know if legacy fulfilled their promise
>>> to Tim
>>> Did he ever get his free evolution from them .I know for one I haven’t
>>> forgotten the online live chat we had with them
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
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Re: Tims Mill

[Stan Shuford]

I'll try again.


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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Tim Krause  wrote:

>  Stan, I could not get the link to work.
>
> Well, I hesitate to say this, but I believe I will be entering Legacy's
> CNC world soon.  I got a call this morning saying trading the Evolution for
> an Explorer would be a better direction than getting another manual machine
> to work with.  I'm very excited to see what I can do with the machine in my
> hands.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Stan Shuford 
> *To:* Group Legacy Mill 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:30 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Tims Mill
>
> Tim, I would love to see you get into the CNC thing with several of us.
> The learning curve would be easy for you and it adds
> a large new level of capability to your woodworking. Here is a link to a
> picture of my latest CNC project for a local church children's minister for
> Advent.
> It is made so that the kids can remove the candles and the "flame" is
> removable so that they can "light the candles".
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205161584307991&set=a.4680813067083.2190553.1496498553&type=1
>
>   Stan Shuford
> s...@shuford.com
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Tim Krause 
> wrote:
>
>>  I still have not received my Evolution yet.  It's been over a year.
>> I've heard that sales are not going that well on the Evolution.  I wonder
>> if I can trade my machine in for an Explorer with the turning option.  That
>> way I can help others Legacy cnc owners the way I have helped those in the
>> manual machine world.  I hear the cnc machines are flying off the shelves.
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Bill Bulkeley 
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:55 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: Tims Mill
>>
>>  Where are you Tim did they honour their promise yet or are you still
>> waiting
>>
>> How long has it been? a year or is it longer, perhaps evo production is
>> very slow
>>
>> Or has it followed the revo and is gone before it even got started I
>> wonder, after all the you tube video is gone so I believe
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron Taylor
>> *Sent:* Monday, 10 November 2014 11:21 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Tims Mill
>>
>>
>>
>> Coincidentally I was just wondering the same thing myself.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Bill Bulkeley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was just wondering does anybody know if legacy fulfilled their promise
>> to Tim
>> Did he ever get his free evolution from them .I know for one I haven’t
>> forgotten the online live chat we had with them
>>
>> Bill
>>
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Re: Tims Mill

[Stan Shuford]

Tim, I would love to see you get into the CNC thing with several of us. The
learning curve would be easy for you and it adds
a large new level of capability to your woodworking. Here is a link to a
picture of my latest CNC project for a local church children's minister for
Advent.
It is made so that the kids can remove the candles and the "flame" is
removable so that they can "light the candles".

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205161584307991&set=a.4680813067083.2190553.1496498553&type=1

Stan Shuford
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Tim Krause  wrote:

>  I still have not received my Evolution yet.  It's been over a year.
> I've heard that sales are not going that well on the Evolution.  I wonder
> if I can trade my machine in for an Explorer with the turning option.  That
> way I can help others Legacy cnc owners the way I have helped those in the
> manual machine world.  I hear the cnc machines are flying off the shelves.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Bill Bulkeley 
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:55 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Tims Mill
>
>  Where are you Tim did they honour their promise yet or are you still
> waiting
>
> How long has it been? a year or is it longer, perhaps evo production is
> very slow
>
> Or has it followed the revo and is gone before it even got started I
> wonder, after all the you tube video is gone so I believe
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron Taylor
> *Sent:* Monday, 10 November 2014 11:21 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Tims Mill
>
>
>
> Coincidentally I was just wondering the same thing myself.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Bill Bulkeley 
> wrote:
>
>
> I was just wondering does anybody know if legacy fulfilled their promise
> to Tim
> Did he ever get his free evolution from them .I know for one I haven’t
> forgotten the online live chat we had with them
>
> Bill
>
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Re: iwf show

[Stan Shuford]

I was there also. Got to say "hey" to Andy, John and Chris - Didn't see
Tracy but he was there. Picked up a Bosch variable speed Colt for $89.00.
CNC machines are taking over - almost all hardware manufacturers have one
now. There were just a few at the last show. The show is so big it is
impossible to see it all in 1 day but a great way to get your woodworking
fix and see all the new goodies.

Stan Shuford
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 7:27 PM, cole  wrote:

> went and had fun , was not as good as usual , bought me a track saw .
>  people like Delta ,Grizzly, powermatic , jet were not there.
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Re: Shop made Z-axis

[Stan Shuford]

Here is a link to a shop made router lift. Turn it over and and it could be
a Z axis. At least some of the mechanics could be part of a
Z axis design.
http://www.americanwoodworker.com/blogs/projects/archive/2009/04/21/the-aw-shop-made-router-lift.aspx

A good Z axis cannot have any flex or give which requires rigid
constrution, solid material and tight tolerances in all directions along
with easy up and down operation and a
solid stop mechanism to hold a setting without slipping. All of this is
extra critical on CNC machines as the forces are mutiplied. They usuallly
are made of steel or aluminum and have linear bearings.
All of ths is why a pre-built z axis is so expensive. BTW, I just noticed
that Amazon is selling Chinese made linear bearings at good prices.

Stan Shuford
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On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Tim Krause  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> As long as people are looking at possibilities of a z-axis, I always
> thought
> that there was some potential in the Angle Ease devices.  I'm not sure what
> the patent covers but for home use, there is no issue.
>
> http://www.woodhaven.com/Angle-Ease-Router/b/3026340011?ie=UTF8&title=Angle+Ease
>
> More informative is the instruction for the AngleEase and the Mini Angle
> Ease.  Also take a look at the EZ Lifts for some ideas.
> http://www.woodhaven.com/info/Instructions
>
> Share your thought please.  That's what a discussion group is for.
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
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Re: Shop made Z-axis

[Stan Shuford]

Thanks to all that were interested in the Z axis. It was sold to the first
responder.  Now I'm sorry I had to dissappoint some folks. It goes to show
that there is a lot of interest.
Thanks

Stan Shuford
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On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Stan Shuford  wrote:

> There have been several interested in the Z axis and I have not had a
> chance to respond. Here are some picts. It seems to be missing a top hat,
> the top hand wheel and the clamp piece that holds the router clamps.
> I may have them somewhere. I'll do a search this weekend. As I recall, the
> original price was $400. I'd like to get half that for it.
>
> Stan Shuford
> s...@shuford.com
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Stan Shuford  wrote:
>
>> I have a spare z axis off of my 1000EX if anyone is interested.
>>
>> Stan Shuford
>> s...@shuford.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 4:57 AM, Bill Bulkeley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.americanwoodworker.com/blogs/projects/archive/2009/04/21/the-aw-shop-made-router-lift.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> perhaps this one will spark a few ideas
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Bulkeley
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 14 August 2014 4:28 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: Shop made Z-axis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry I don’t have any plans for my tilting z axis everything  I had
>>> including the unit itself was lost in a fire. all  I have left is the link
>>> to the pictures on the group
>>>
>>> I have to rebuild myself one as well when I get the time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I do have is the plans to that wooden tilting router raiser the one
>>> online. but I don’t wish to post that because of copy rightbut if
>>> someone wants to contact me   by email at bulke...@mmnet.com.au I can
>>> talk to them about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *chanorm1
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 14 August 2014 10:39 AM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Shop made Z-axis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, could Bill Bulkeley provide us with plans for his super z axis lift 6
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 11, 2014 10:31:31 PM UTC-4, Brandon Khoury wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone attempted to build a shop made z-axis? I would love to get
>>> your thoughts or see your design.  I have been working on a design that is
>>> based off of Matthias Wandel's router lift design,  only inverted. My main
>>> concern is increasing plunge depth while maintaining stability. I also
>>> cannot decide if I want to incorporate tilting capabilities.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon
>>>
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Re: Shop made Z-axis

[Stan Shuford]

I have a spare z axis off of my 1000EX if anyone is interested.

Stan Shuford
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On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 4:57 AM, Bill Bulkeley 
wrote:

>
> http://www.americanwoodworker.com/blogs/projects/archive/2009/04/21/the-aw-shop-made-router-lift.aspx
>
>
>
> perhaps this one will spark a few ideas
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Bulkeley
> *Sent:* Thursday, 14 August 2014 4:28 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Shop made Z-axis
>
>
>
> Sorry I don’t have any plans for my tilting z axis everything  I had
> including the unit itself was lost in a fire. all  I have left is the link
> to the pictures on the group
>
> I have to rebuild myself one as well when I get the time.
>
>
>
> What I do have is the plans to that wooden tilting router raiser the one
> online. but I don’t wish to post that because of copy rightbut if
> someone wants to contact me   by email at bulke...@mmnet.com.au I can
> talk to them about it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *chanorm1
> *Sent:* Thursday, 14 August 2014 10:39 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Shop made Z-axis
>
>
>
> Hi, could Bill Bulkeley provide us with plans for his super z axis lift 6
>
> On Monday, August 11, 2014 10:31:31 PM UTC-4, Brandon Khoury wrote:
>
> Has anyone attempted to build a shop made z-axis? I would love to get your
> thoughts or see your design.  I have been working on a design that is based
> off of Matthias Wandel's router lift design,  only inverted. My main
> concern is increasing plunge depth while maintaining stability. I also
> cannot decide if I want to incorporate tilting capabilities.
>
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: legacy design kit

[Stan Shuford]

That's great Brandon. I'm in the process of learnining Sketchup and this
will help. Aspire (my CNC software) has recently announced Sketchup import
for tool path generation. Haven't tried it yet.
Thanks!

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com


On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Brandon Khoury  wrote:

> Ok, this went quicker than I thought. I got home early tonight  and had
> some time to hash this out. I have attached the Bit Profiles needed, along
> with a few screenshots to help visualize the process.
> First, save the Bit Profiles to a folder that you can easily locate. You
> will need that file location to load them into sketchup. You will also need
> to find and install the Grid plugin. If I recall correctly, it can be found
> in the extension warehouse. I have listed out the process and how they
> correspond to the screenshots.
>
> 1) Set view to Parallel Projection and set the view to Top.
> 2) Go to Tools and open Components
> 3) Click the menu button on the side of the Components window and click
> Open Collection. (Screenshot 1)
> 4) Locate the Bit Profiles to load them.
> 5) Go to Tools, and select Grid from the bottom of the list.
> 6) Set the scale by typing 1" into the Measurements box at the bottom
> right. Then press enter to set the scale.
> 7) Click to set the start point, drag to set the length along the x-axis
> then click again. Then drag up to set the y-axis. (Screenshot 2)
> 8) Use the line tool, as normal, to create any flat surfaces.
> 9) Drag and drop the desired profile onto the grid. (Screenshot 3)
> 10) The side edges of the bits are still in place to help identify
> overlapping, but can be erased if desired to clean up the image.
> (Screenshot 4)
>
> That's the quick and dirty version. Let me know if you have any other
> questions.
> By the way, I created the profiles by outlining the profiles that were
> distributed by Tracy at Legacy. Hopefully, distributing my sketchup
> versions doesn't create any issue.
>
> Enjoy!
> Brandon
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Re: CNC Bowls

[Stan Shuford]

I beg to disagree. I have a Legacy Arty 58 and it is a great machine. The
support is good and the most important part is training which is excellent.

Stan Shuford
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On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:47 PM, hooligan  wrote:

> Kirch,
>   I didn't read all the replys because these old farts don't know
> how to delete all previous replies out of their post so all answers get
> repeated and new stuff gets lost. It's also this type of forum sucks too
>
> First advice DON'T BUY A LEGACY CNCTHEY SUCK AS A COMPANY.
> Buy a Shopbot they have excellent support and great machines. Regarding Z
> space for depth of bowls you need to have the best thing to do is contact
> me off forum and i can give you strategies for making any size bowl you
> want with an average Z height. email me at myxpyka...@hotmail.com
>
> And when i said "old farts" i had Curtis and Mike and a few others in
> mind! lol
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Re: New guy here

[Stan Shuford]

Another welcome to BillinGA. I'm just a little north of you (Gainesville.)
I am into the CNC thing.

Stan Shuford
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:32 PM, BillinGA  wrote:

> Following advice and looking to be able to freely post, I will introduce
> myself. My name is Bill...live a little south of presently snow bound
> Atlanta. I've been woodworking for maybe 40 years. Am somewhat ashamed to
> admit this as my skill level  does not coincide with my time in hobby. Like
> many others I started with a Shopsmith that I still have. It was a space
> saving device as I had no shop at the time. At present I have a Delta
> contractor saw, 2 Sommerfeld router tables, a 30" drum sanding table from
> Stockroom Tool guys, band and jig saw, and a seldom used Legacy 900/PC 7518
> that I bought new.  I came back to this site after a lengthy
> absence...didn't have to be a member back then as I rememberwhen I had
> a need for detailed tapered legs. Looking for ways to work around the
> machine limitations( compared to current offerings) and get my money's
> worth out of the mill. I'm retired but am a technical college student
> studying CNC mill and lathe. I hope to develop skills in programming and
> use these someday with a woodworking cnc.
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Re: Legacy CNC Arty 58" for $6500 in Syracuse, NY

[Stan Shuford]

You're right Bill, you can program a CNC to do a taper without tilting. It
would take a lot longer to do and would generally require more sanding. As
Mike said, working on a level part makes a big difference allowing the use
of router bit profiles as well as rope and barley twists. The are several
machines with a 4th axis and it is possible to add a 4th axis to a 3 axis
machine but, as for as I know, Legacy has the only 5 axis machines. The 5th
(tilt) axis is really easy to use with Legacy's CCAM software.

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Bill Bulkeley wrote:

> I don't know that much about cnc but if you have a mill that is cnc and
> does not taper couldn't it be written into the program rather than tilting
> the bed or is the 5th axis the turning spindle forgive my ignorance
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Louis Brown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 29 January 2014 5:16 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy CNC Arty 58" for $6500 in Syracuse, NY
>
>
>
> Hello Mac,
>
> There is not CNC mill with a 5th axis (which does tapering), except a
> Legacy.   Good luck with finding one with a fourth axis that can do a five
> inch 54 inch post that is not taking forever by carving the spindle.  (The
> legacy promotional videos are still accurate from what I can see.)
>
> You can find a better price on a 3 axis machine that's used and you can
> put one together for much less that does a good number of things better.
>
> The only thing better would be the latest arty 58, which has a 9 inch
> turning diameter.
>
> Begat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Roger P  wrote:
>
> Hi Mac
>
> I will let the keeper of the multi-coloured book answer but to me $6500.00
> for a machine that cost $11,525.00 (it is the router version and not the
> spindle) that is a snip. Plus the man is prepared to throw in some bits and
> the computer and some instruction.
>
> It is a great machine and we would describe the build quality as "built
> like brick house" or rock solid.
>
> Euro Roger
>
>
>
> *From:* mwfos...@earthlink.net
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:32 PM
>
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy CNC Arty 58" for $6500 in Syracuse, NY
>
>
>
> When it comes to the CNC machine "Used Mills" market, I would not know a
> "Good" deal from a "Bad" deal.
>
> (Within reason of course.  If my neighbor listed his 1 year old Legacy CNC
> for $1,500 - I'd recognize that as a "GREAT" deal!)
>
> Tim, are you the Keeper of the CNC "Red Book"? (Started to say Blue Book.
> Since that's probably trademarked, I chose Red Book - as in Legacy Red.
>
> You must have to know a LOT of *details* about the specific CNC machine
> you are looking at to be able to calculate whether the price on a used unit
> is fair.
>
> Mac
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CURTIS GEORGE
> Sent: Jan 28, 2014 5:42 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Legacy CNC Arty 58" for $6500 in Syracuse, NY
>
> Wow! that dose look Pretty good !
>
> C.A.G.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Begat 
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 05:01:57 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Legacy CNC Arty 58" for $6500 in Syracuse, NY
>
> Hello All,
>
> This is a good deal, or so it seems to me.If I did not have two an arty 58
> and a artisan 48, I'd be headed north with a truck.
> http://syracuse.craigslist.org/tls/4303770590.html
>
> Begat
>
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Re: New Members and Moderation

[Stan Shuford]

Tim, the tool allowance function is built into he cad/cam software, not
Mach. I use Aspire but Artsoft Express and V-Carve Pro all have the same
tool allowance capability. I make a test cut, measure it and enter half of
the difference for the allowance, either positive or negative.
As for Legacy's training, I am a subscriber and attend most classes held
every Tuesday and Thursday at 4:00PM Mountain time. If I miss a class, they
are all posted later and available to view anytime.
You don't have to be a subscriber to attend the classes but you do need a
password which you can get for free by calling Legacy. It will also allow
access to the forum. Every class is posted to the "class review" area for 2
weeks which anyone can access. After 2 weeks they go into the "Projects"
area which is subscriber only access.
The classes include machine setup and calibration, software training and
the projects. Most classes are taught by Tracy and some by Chris and John.
At the end of each class they take questions about anything for as long as
necessary. The classes have been extremly helpful to me and well worth the
cost.
Even if you are just curious there is a lot to learn in the classes. You
don't have to own a CNC machine to attend. Its a good place to kick the
tires. It is not unusual to have 50 or more in a class.

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Tim Krause  wrote:

>  My cycle-start used to be driving to the shop, cracking a Porter and
> figuring out what I was going to build today if the sun did not distract me
> :-)  That's an artist life, spending all night dreaming and sketching and
> motivating or preventing yourself from getting distracted so you can get
> paid and repeat the cycle-start the next day.
>
> Now my work focus is around CNC and the cycle-start life.   The first pass
> is always the most nerve wracking.  Where's that damn spindle going WTF!
> Even after 100 cycles, bit wear and break, clamps fail, electrical noise
> lost steps wrong orginsIt goes on and on.  It's still cool technology
> if you making widgets x 100 but I too enjoy the ability to make a human
> decision when it's needed.
>
> He you cnc guys, did Mach ever add tool offset and cutter comp?   Can I
> cut a round shape and use cutter comp to remove an extra .0005" off the
> part to make up for cutter wear or machine changes?
>
> -Tim
>
> PS, I sure would like to see my Evolution in person as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* curt george 
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2014 4:57 PM
> *Subject:* Re: New Members and Moderation
>
> Bill did you try the You-tube site.
> http://www.youtube.com/user/legacywoodworking/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=1
>
> As a side note, the EVO video is now one year old I wonder if pat 2 will
> ever be made? I would like to see more about this machine.
>
> Back to the topic. Bill what I've seen on the CNC videos, they are pretty
> dry. (Boring!)  The works are awesome, the quality is top notch, but the
> videos sure aren't the New Yankee workshop. ;-p
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
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Re: hopefully done...and ready to make some money!

[Stan Shuford]

I forgot to add that my spindle is on an Arty 58 CNC.

Stan Shuford
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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:02 AM, joe biunno at finun...@aol.com <
finun...@aol.com> wrote:

> stan, is there a big difference in the noise reduction?...and do you have
> it mounted in an older legacy mill or are you referring to their newer line
> of cnc equipment?...thanks, joe
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:58:30 AM UTC-5, Stan Shuford wrote:
>>
>> The 220V spindle is 3 phase but that is why the VFD box is there. It only
>> requires standard 220 power. I have the Legacy version and love it.
>>
>> Stan Shuford
>> st...@shuford.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:38 AM, joe biunno at finu...@aol.com <
>> finu...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> thanks for the response Ken...curious, did the spindle easily mount into
>>> the three ring mounting set up that was originally on the legacy?...and i
>>> assume this set up is only three phase electricals...could you guess what
>>> the whole conversion would cost, including all the miscellaneous hardware
>>> and hoses needed?...thanks, joe biunno
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:06:34 PM UTC-5, Old Mill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We decided to mount a spindle to our lathe, hoping to quiet the shop
>>>> some. A bit pricier than a router when you add the inverter, but I think
>>>> worth it, as the lathe runs quite a bit.  We considered Chinese, but
>>>> decided the Italians have been at it longer, so went with an ELTE from
>>>> Fischer Precision Spindles in Berlin CT.  Nice guys, and willing to work
>>>> with a novice.  (We initially ordered the 2KW @ 2.6hp, but failed to ask
>>>> how heavy it was.  They took it back and sent us a 1KW @1.3hp.  Our
>>>> electrician then let the wires get a little friendly, which let the smoke
>>>> get out of the spindle, so it went back and they rebuilt it.  They are
>>>> still answering the phone when I call, so I assume they have met our kind
>>>> of fella's before.  Maybe they are one.  Anyhow, the electrician still gets
>>>> itchy whenever he gets near it, but we hope he has another go at it before
>>>> years end.)
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Ccm Ccm  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice job Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 11, 2013, joe biunno at finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> extended machine finally ready to do some work
>>>>>> 1) had to lengthen all the wiring...control box to junction
>>>>>> box...junction box to limit switches...wire gotten from 
>>>>>> mcmaster-carr...all
>>>>>> color coded as the original wiring, so it was easy enough...just a bit 
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> consuming...definitely have a couple hundred hours into this total 
>>>>>> project
>>>>>> 2)lead screw...cut down to proper length  and locked into coupling on
>>>>>> gear motor and headstock end...this was quick and easy
>>>>>> 3)fabricated the swing-away lead screw supports from wood...seemed to
>>>>>> keep in line with all the other mods we did, rather than aluminum, as
>>>>>> legacy had done...took a little trial and error...finding the right 
>>>>>> springs
>>>>>> and what not...the mounting to the machine, etcas all the mods were
>>>>>> done to this extension, no holes or welding done to the original 1800 and
>>>>>> 1200 pieces...black nylon blocks bought from mcmaster...bored and shaped 
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> us, which took a decent amount of time...tried two assemblies, but lead
>>>>>> screw still had a a small bit of wobble to it...added the third, spread 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> other two out, and all is good...carriage slides easily with no binding 
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> jerking...very pleased with how that worked out as we were not sure if
>>>>>> there would be a glitch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> next up is noise reduction...we solved this problem on the other
>>>>>> twist machine by building an over sized box around the router...had a
>>>>>> hinged access door...lined it with sound absorption foam 
>>>>>> material...worked
>>>>>> perfectly until we fried a 

Re: hopefully done...and ready to make some money!

[Stan Shuford]

Joe,
There is a big difference in noise, especially from the big PC routers.
 More like any high speed electric motor whine.
Hearing protection is not required. I haven't dome a DB check on it. The
noise comes from the bit cutting the material which, of course, depends on
the material and type of cut.

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:02 AM, joe biunno at finun...@aol.com <
finun...@aol.com> wrote:

> stan, is there a big difference in the noise reduction?...and do you have
> it mounted in an older legacy mill or are you referring to their newer line
> of cnc equipment?...thanks, joe
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:58:30 AM UTC-5, Stan Shuford wrote:
>>
>> The 220V spindle is 3 phase but that is why the VFD box is there. It only
>> requires standard 220 power. I have the Legacy version and love it.
>>
>> Stan Shuford
>> st...@shuford.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:38 AM, joe biunno at finu...@aol.com <
>> finu...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> thanks for the response Ken...curious, did the spindle easily mount into
>>> the three ring mounting set up that was originally on the legacy?...and i
>>> assume this set up is only three phase electricals...could you guess what
>>> the whole conversion would cost, including all the miscellaneous hardware
>>> and hoses needed?...thanks, joe biunno
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:06:34 PM UTC-5, Old Mill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We decided to mount a spindle to our lathe, hoping to quiet the shop
>>>> some. A bit pricier than a router when you add the inverter, but I think
>>>> worth it, as the lathe runs quite a bit.  We considered Chinese, but
>>>> decided the Italians have been at it longer, so went with an ELTE from
>>>> Fischer Precision Spindles in Berlin CT.  Nice guys, and willing to work
>>>> with a novice.  (We initially ordered the 2KW @ 2.6hp, but failed to ask
>>>> how heavy it was.  They took it back and sent us a 1KW @1.3hp.  Our
>>>> electrician then let the wires get a little friendly, which let the smoke
>>>> get out of the spindle, so it went back and they rebuilt it.  They are
>>>> still answering the phone when I call, so I assume they have met our kind
>>>> of fella's before.  Maybe they are one.  Anyhow, the electrician still gets
>>>> itchy whenever he gets near it, but we hope he has another go at it before
>>>> years end.)
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Ccm Ccm  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice job Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 11, 2013, joe biunno at finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> extended machine finally ready to do some work
>>>>>> 1) had to lengthen all the wiring...control box to junction
>>>>>> box...junction box to limit switches...wire gotten from 
>>>>>> mcmaster-carr...all
>>>>>> color coded as the original wiring, so it was easy enough...just a bit 
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> consuming...definitely have a couple hundred hours into this total 
>>>>>> project
>>>>>> 2)lead screw...cut down to proper length  and locked into coupling on
>>>>>> gear motor and headstock end...this was quick and easy
>>>>>> 3)fabricated the swing-away lead screw supports from wood...seemed to
>>>>>> keep in line with all the other mods we did, rather than aluminum, as
>>>>>> legacy had done...took a little trial and error...finding the right 
>>>>>> springs
>>>>>> and what not...the mounting to the machine, etcas all the mods were
>>>>>> done to this extension, no holes or welding done to the original 1800 and
>>>>>> 1200 pieces...black nylon blocks bought from mcmaster...bored and shaped 
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> us, which took a decent amount of time...tried two assemblies, but lead
>>>>>> screw still had a a small bit of wobble to it...added the third, spread 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> other two out, and all is good...carriage slides easily with no binding 
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> jerking...very pleased with how that worked out as we were not sure if
>>>>>> there would be a glitch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> next up is noise reduction...we solved this problem on the other
>>>>>>

Re: hopefully done...and ready to make some money!

[Stan Shuford]

The 220V spindle is 3 phase but that is why the VFD box is there. It only
requires standard 220 power. I have the Legacy version and love it.

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:38 AM, joe biunno at finun...@aol.com <
finun...@aol.com> wrote:

> thanks for the response Ken...curious, did the spindle easily mount into
> the three ring mounting set up that was originally on the legacy?...and i
> assume this set up is only three phase electricals...could you guess what
> the whole conversion would cost, including all the miscellaneous hardware
> and hoses needed?...thanks, joe biunno
>
> On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:06:34 PM UTC-5, Old Mill wrote:
>>
>> We decided to mount a spindle to our lathe, hoping to quiet the shop
>> some. A bit pricier than a router when you add the inverter, but I think
>> worth it, as the lathe runs quite a bit.  We considered Chinese, but
>> decided the Italians have been at it longer, so went with an ELTE from
>> Fischer Precision Spindles in Berlin CT.  Nice guys, and willing to work
>> with a novice.  (We initially ordered the 2KW @ 2.6hp, but failed to ask
>> how heavy it was.  They took it back and sent us a 1KW @1.3hp.  Our
>> electrician then let the wires get a little friendly, which let the smoke
>> get out of the spindle, so it went back and they rebuilt it.  They are
>> still answering the phone when I call, so I assume they have met our kind
>> of fella's before.  Maybe they are one.  Anyhow, the electrician still gets
>> itchy whenever he gets near it, but we hope he has another go at it before
>> years end.)
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Ccm Ccm  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice job Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 11, 2013, joe biunno at finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> extended machine finally ready to do some work
>>>> 1) had to lengthen all the wiring...control box to junction
>>>> box...junction box to limit switches...wire gotten from mcmaster-carr...all
>>>> color coded as the original wiring, so it was easy enough...just a bit time
>>>> consuming...definitely have a couple hundred hours into this total project
>>>> 2)lead screw...cut down to proper length  and locked into coupling on
>>>> gear motor and headstock end...this was quick and easy
>>>> 3)fabricated the swing-away lead screw supports from wood...seemed to
>>>> keep in line with all the other mods we did, rather than aluminum, as
>>>> legacy had done...took a little trial and error...finding the right springs
>>>> and what not...the mounting to the machine, etcas all the mods were
>>>> done to this extension, no holes or welding done to the original 1800 and
>>>> 1200 pieces...black nylon blocks bought from mcmaster...bored and shaped by
>>>> us, which took a decent amount of time...tried two assemblies, but lead
>>>> screw still had a a small bit of wobble to it...added the third, spread the
>>>> other two out, and all is good...carriage slides easily with no binding or
>>>> jerking...very pleased with how that worked out as we were not sure if
>>>> there would be a glitch
>>>>
>>>> next up is noise reduction...we solved this problem on the other twist
>>>> machine by building an over sized box around the router...had a hinged
>>>> access door...lined it with sound absorption foam material...worked
>>>> perfectly until we fried a router...so we built in a small cooling
>>>> fan...has worked for many years...not sure if this will work in this
>>>> situation as our original machine did not have all the adjustment features
>>>> that a legacy has...but i do consider it necessary, as noise control is
>>>> right up there with machine safety and dust control...anyone ever try to
>>>> tackle the noise problem?...thanks, joe biunno
>>>>
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Machines for sale

[Stan]

All of the talk about machines for sale reminded me that I need to sell my 
1000EXL. It was CNC'ed but the motors and controls are missing and now just 
taking up space in the shop. I have a lot of attachments, brackets and 
options. I'll get it all together soon and post it here first. I thought I 
would use it but since I got my Arty I've found that I can do so much more 
and a lot easier too. For example, I just made baseball bats for all 5 of 
my grandsons with their name carved on them.
For those who have a Legacy CNC or are thinking about a future move to CNC, 
Legacy's new Lifetime Training is worth looking at. I am very pleased with 
what I've seen so far. You don't have  to own a CNC machine to attend the 
classes and they are free. Tracy is teaching them so far but John and Chris 
teach also. Its a valuable resource and I don't know anyone else in the CNC 
industry that is doing anything similar. I subscribed to the "paid" version 
because I plan to make some of the projects and I want to get all I can out 
of it. I think that this is a high level of customer service that has been 
missing that will bode well for their business. Its also a big effort on 
their part. I think that young people getting into woodworking today will 
consider CNC  as necessary as a table saw. I consider myself to be one of 
those young folks (at 72).

Stan Shuforrd

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Re: Finishing Help Needed

[Stan Shuford]

Hi Brandon
You've got a major project there. Staining can be a big problem when
it come to consistantcy. Used wood sometimes requires stripping away
all old finishes and oils.
Another trick is to apply a washcoat of shellac in a 1 pound cut. The
can from the big box store is a 2 lb. cut so you would do half
denatured alcohol and half shellac (de-waxed). When I need a
consistant stain to a project that has different woods - such as a
windsor chair with 3 different woods, I go with a dye instead of a
stain and it comes out perfect.
Good luck!
Stan



On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Brandon Khoury  wrote:
> Hey everyone, I'm coming to the end of my table project and need some help 
> with stain. First, let me say that I THINK the wood I used to build the table 
> is really old quarter sawn oak. It was from a cabinet that was in my basement 
> where my shop is now. I took it apart to use on projects like this. I have 
> treated the entire table with a wood conditioner because my test stains were 
> blotchy and awful. The treated tests accept the stain much more evenly. I am 
> currently at the point of sanding the entire piece before I apply the first 
> layer of stain. My problem is that I have several pieces of embossed egg and 
> dart detail molding, framing the side and back rails. Its the small premade 
> stuff you can find at hobby lobby or Michaels. I think it is steamed and 
> pressed to imprint the wood with the pattern. I have tested the stain on 
> conditioned and non-conditioned scraps (neither were sanded after 
> conditioning). Neither test seems to accept the stain very well and both have 
> a silvery sheen to them. However, I have not conditioned and sanded the 
> molding before test staining. Does anyone have a suggestion or tip to help 
> get this stuff to accept the stain so it more closely matches the rest of the 
> table?
>
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: Pictures - Heart boxes & Vectric site

[Stan Shuford]

I use Macmaster Carr frequently. Good service and quick delivery. They
must have a warehouse close to me. I have made several of the Vectric
projects - I use Aspire. The little sanding flappers work good but
they wear our fairly quick also.

Stan


On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Gary Moshofsky
 wrote:
> The Old Woodworking Machines (OWWM.org) guys use them all the time. I think
> their prices are better than Grainger's in general and they carry as much
> stuff, if not more.
>
> 
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> mwfos...@earthlink.net
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 10:20 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pictures - Heart boxes & Vectric site
>
>
> I went to the Vectric link/site you had below.  Interesting.  I then opened
> the PDF Description of the project.  In there I found they provided a source
> (McMaster-Carr) for the small sanding/polishing mops they recommended using.
> I followed that link and plugged in the part numbers.  Below is a shortcut
> to those discs.  Ya'll may find these small detail "sanders" useful when
> cleaning up a milled product.  They have different styles, sizes and grits.
> The home page for the supplier is http://www.mcmaster.com/.  I assume they
> are probably kind of like Grainger.  Looks like you can also get all sorts
> of hardware (bearings, bushings, screws, etc.) from them.
> Has anyone ever dealt with McMaster-Carr?
>
> http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/119/2673/=lj7u4r
>
> Mac
>
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: jwb...@windstream.net
>>Sent: Feb 18, 2013 7:04 AM
>>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>Cc: "stormin...@snet.net" 
>>Subject: Re: Pictures
>>
>>I always find it difficult to price a project.  The best way I could say to
>> price it would be to find others projects that others sell and see what they
>> are asking.  At a flee market a few months ago I found someone selling one

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Thanks

[Stan]

Thanks for all who attended and I'm sorry some had a problem. 
Congratulations Tim. I can't wait for Tim to share his impressions and 
experiences with his Evo.
Based on Andy's comments about CNC, maybe those of us who have the CNC's 
could share pictures of projects along with the process involved.
Of course, that's up to Tim and others but I don't know why CNC should be 
excluded.
I tried to record the audio but I had technical problems and all I got was 
garbled gook.
I think overall it was a positive experience and a relations builder. 

Stan

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Legacy chat session

[Stan]

In case you missed it--

The password for this Event is 1234

When you get into the session you will need to change your name from viewer 
to your name

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Re: Question for Legacy Chat 2-5-2013

[Stan Shuford]

Curt, you don't need a web cam. You will be able to ask questions by
typing them. Generally the 2 way audio has not worked. We see and hear
them but we type our questions.

Stan Shuford
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On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:27 AM, curt george  wrote:
> "Well" Im regestered now. I dont know if this old conputer will be any good
> for this ( I do not own a web cam.), but I will try to be there.hopefully
> everything will work out fine? ;-)
> C.A.G.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tim Krause
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 9:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Question for Legacy Chat 2-5-2013
>
> NO your not missing it. See below.
>
>
> Here is how to join in. Go to Legacycncwoodworking.com. Under "CNC101" you
> will find "On-line Training" .
> Click on that and you will see Steps 1, 2 and 3. The first step has a
> tutorial by Tracy on how to use the WebEx system and get it set up on your
> computer.
> Step 2 will take you to a WebEx list of events. Our event is not listed yet
> but will be in time for the meeting. You will not need an access code.
> Step 3 is your registration page.
> Please go through these steps today or as soon as you can. If you have a
> problem, please email or call John at Legacy for help.
> There is a calendar of events but our event will not show up there. It will
> be on the WebEx list of events (Step 2) and you will click on it there to
> join in.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: curt george
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Question for Legacy Chat 2-5-2013
>
> Hello Everyone.
> not meaning to change the subject. but I just tried to regester for this
> class. Its not on the listing. Am I looking in the wrong place?
> https://legacycnc.webex.com/mw0307l/mywebex/default.do?siteurl=legacycnc
>
> C.A.G.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tim Krause
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Question for Legacy Chat 2-5-2013
>
> Ron, would you like to reword this question?
>
> John,  I KNOW what you are saying, but I'm not going to censor the
> questions.  I also know Andy is receiving the messages from this group in
> his email so it's really to late.
>
> To All,
>
> It was pointed out on Friday via my private email that all the questions
> need to be in on Friday.  I submitted the single question that I had at the
> time (Mac's compatibility question).  I'm hoping that the event will not be
> canceled because of lack of participation.  Has everyone signed up yet.
> Pre-registration is required and that could show our interest level is
> sincere.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: John Hennen
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Question for Legacy Chat 2-5-2013
>
> It is a fair question. Andy will be there to answer these questions, however
> I would recommend rewording it to sound a little less rash. You all should
> thank Stan for putting himself out there to set this up and think about
> questions with this in mind.  As I said, it is a fair question but I would
> have Tim reword that before he sends it to Andy and Tracy.
>
> Just thoughts from the one that pushed to make this Q & A session from
> inside.
>
> John
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Re: Class 2/5/13

[Stan Shuford]

The class will be listed on Tuesday. It won't be on the calendar. It
will be on the WebEx list of events (Step 2). That's because it is a
special class just for this group.

Stan Shuford
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On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Donald Pearce  wrote:
> I don't see this class listed under events by program in Legacy's on-line
> class on their cnc site. Am I looking on the proper site?   Don P.
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Our Discussion Meeting with Legacy

[Stan]

Our call with Legacy is Tuesday (Feb 5th) at 4:00 PM Mountain time.

Here is how to join in. Go to Legacycncwoodworking.com. Under "CNC101" you 
will find "On-line Training" .
Click on that and you will see Steps 1, 2 and 3. The first step has a 
tutorial by Tracy on how to use the WebEx system and get it set up on your 
computer.
Step 2 will take you to a WebEx list of events. Our event is not listed yet 
but will be in time for the meeting. You will not need an access code.
Step 3 is your registration page.
*Please go through these steps today or as soon as you can. *If you have a 
problem, please email or call John at Legacy for help. 
There is a calendar of events but our event *will not* show up there. It 
will be on the WebEx list of events (Step 2) and you will click on it there 
to join in.
Anyone can join in even if you didn't sign up with me. If you just want to 
listen to the discussion, that's OK.
Make sure you get your questions to Tim before Tuesday so he can get them 
to Legacy so they can be prepared.

Thanks
Stan

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Re: Discussion session with Legacy

[Stan Shuford]

I think Tim's idea of sending him your questions and letting him
consolidate and remove duplicates is a good idea. He can send a copy
to Legacy for their preparation.
In the classes they are very good at making sure questions are
answered thoroughly and everyone understands.
We will post specific directions for joining the class. In the
meantime, check out the "legacycncwoodworking" web site for the
process of joining a class.
Legacy usually records the classes. They will have to tell us how to access it.
All I know is that 4:00 Mountain time is 6:00 Dinner time at my house.

Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com


On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:42 AM,   wrote:
> For the people wanting directions on how to join the class.  Legacy explains 
> this on the CNC website www.legacycncwoodworking.com go to that site, in the 
> tabs click on CNC 101, then click on Online training.  there you will see 
> step 1, 2, 3 first one will tell you how to set things up.
>
> Jeff Becker
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Discussion session with Legacy

[Stan]

OK guys, here's the plans for our on-line meeting with Legacy.
The meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, February 5th at 4:00 PM Mountain time.
Andy, Tracy and John will attend from Legacy. Because of their travel for 
the Woodworking shows, this was the only option to get time with them.
I think that having all three of them is great and shows their interest in 
our group.

The agenda for the 1 hour is:

- 10 min on the Evolution machine.
- 10 min. Q&A
- 10 min on CNC
- 10 Min Q&A
- 10 min on older equipment
- 10 min Q&A

Please think about questions you may have and be prepared so we can make 
the best use of the time we have.

I'll follow up later with the details on joining the session.
Thanks to all that responded. 
Yes Tim, I included you. Sorry Cole, I know Tuesday is not good for you.

Stan



On Friday, January 18, 2013 9:51:25 AM UTC-5, Stan wrote:
>
> As I mentioned in an earlier post, I attend many of the on-line classes 
> that Legacy holds on CNC projects. Tracy, John or Chris share their 
> knowledge and take time to answer any questions from the group. It is a 
> great format for discussion and learning or just Q&A. 
> In a recent call that I had with John at Legacy it was suggested that we 
> hold a similar on-line session just for members of this group with John and 
> Tracy. 
> Possible subjects are:
> - CNC versus manual machines and the learning curve.
> - The future of manual machines.
> - The Evolution machine and it's capabilities.
> - Support for the older machines.
> If you have an idea for a topic please let me know. There would also be 
> time for questions on any subject of interest. 
> The challenge is to find a time that most could meet. The classes I attend 
> are held at 6:00PM Eastern (4PM Mountain) so we could do the same.
> The date depends on their schedules.
> If there is enough interest from the group (lets say 20 or more), I will 
> work with John to set it up. 
>
> Let me know what you think and if you are interested in attending.
> Thanks,
> Stan
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Re: Discussion session with Legacy

[Stan]

Yea!! We are at 24!! I'll get with John so we  can get time and date.
Thanks to all.
Stan

On Friday, January 18, 2013 9:51:25 AM UTC-5, Stan wrote:
>
> As I mentioned in an earlier post, I attend many of the on-line classes 
> that Legacy holds on CNC projects. Tracy, John or Chris share their 
> knowledge and take time to answer any questions from the group. It is a 
> great format for discussion and learning or just Q&A. 
> In a recent call that I had with John at Legacy it was suggested that we 
> hold a similar on-line session just for members of this group with John and 
> Tracy. 
> Possible subjects are:
> - CNC versus manual machines and the learning curve.
> - The future of manual machines.
> - The Evolution machine and it's capabilities.
> - Support for the older machines.
> If you have an idea for a topic please let me know. There would also be 
> time for questions on any subject of interest. 
> The challenge is to find a time that most could meet. The classes I attend 
> are held at 6:00PM Eastern (4PM Mountain) so we could do the same.
> The date depends on their schedules.
> If there is enough interest from the group (lets say 20 or more), I will 
> work with John to set it up. 
>
> Let me know what you think and if you are interested in attending.
> Thanks,
> Stan
>

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Re: Discussion session with Legacy

[Stan]

Are there any more interested in the this? Thanks to those who responded. 
I'm sure there are a few more who would like to join us, maybe just to 
listen in. Please let me know. 
Thanks.
Stan



On Friday, January 18, 2013 9:51:25 AM UTC-5, Stan wrote:
>
> As I mentioned in an earlier post, I attend many of the on-line classes 
> that Legacy holds on CNC projects. Tracy, John or Chris share their 
> knowledge and take time to answer any questions from the group. It is a 
> great format for discussion and learning or just Q&A. 
> In a recent call that I had with John at Legacy it was suggested that we 
> hold a similar on-line session just for members of this group with John and 
> Tracy. 
> Possible subjects are:
> - CNC versus manual machines and the learning curve.
> - The future of manual machines.
> - The Evolution machine and it's capabilities.
> - Support for the older machines.
> If you have an idea for a topic please let me know. There would also be 
> time for questions on any subject of interest. 
> The challenge is to find a time that most could meet. The classes I attend 
> are held at 6:00PM Eastern (4PM Mountain) so we could do the same.
> The date depends on their schedules.
> If there is enough interest from the group (lets say 20 or more), I will 
> work with John to set it up. 
>
> Let me know what you think and if you are interested in attending.
> Thanks,
> Stan
>

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Discussion session with Legacy

[Stan]

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I attend many of the on-line classes 
that Legacy holds on CNC projects. Tracy, John or Chris share their 
knowledge and take time to answer any questions from the group. It is a 
great format for discussion and learning or just Q&A. 
In a recent call that I had with John at Legacy it was suggested that we 
hold a similar on-line session just for members of this group with John and 
Tracy. 
Possible subjects are:
- CNC versus manual machines and the learning curve.
- The future of manual machines.
- The Evolution machine and it's capabilities.
- Support for the older machines.
If you have an idea for a topic please let me know. There would also be 
time for questions on any subject of interest. 
The challenge is to find a time that most could meet. The classes I attend 
are held at 6:00PM Eastern (4PM Mountain) so we could do the same.
The date depends on their schedules.
If there is enough interest from the group (lets say 20 or more), I will 
work with John to set it up. 

Let me know what you think and if you are interested in attending.
Thanks,
Stan

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Re: The miniArty

[Stan]

Congratulations on your purchase, George. You could start out with VCarve 
Pro. Vectric will upgrade you to Aspire if you decide you need the 3D 
capability. That's what I did. John knows Aspire much better than I do and 
he is also good at teaching it. Spend some time reading the Vectric forum. 
It's a great place to learn with some very helpful folks. 
Stan

On Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:24:09 PM UTC-5, George Scott wrote:
>
> I purchased an Arty 36 yesterday...during the conversation John referred 
> to our conversation here and Tim's question about splines and Aspire. He 
> said Aspire does splines. He was suggesting strongly that I buy Aspire. Of 
> course my banker (wife) about fainted when I told her how much it cost. I 
> reminded her that she just got a computerized long arm quilting machine and 
> the design software for that was just as much...it was just included in the 
> package so she wasn't seeing it.
> Of course I keep saying I wish I could have it in my hands and use it for 
> a few weeks...then I would feel more like I knew what I was doing. There is 
> always, for me anyway, the "Why did I get that?" or Why didn't I buy that?" 
> more often that not it's "Why did I buy that?". On top of that I am a 
> MacIntosh guy and have been for close to 30 years and PCs are not my forte. 
> I  have Windows on my iMac and am going to download the Aspire demo and 
> play with it. If nothing else I am excited about the possibilities. I have 
> tons of ideas...can I make them work is the question. So in addition to the 
> software that comes with the machine and Aspire is there anything else?
> I also bought the water cooled spindle...they must have been running the 
> same special...as you suggested, he did quote me a very good price. 
> Shipping is a killer...he was up front about that and got a quote from the 
> shipper but it was only good for three days...since shipment is six weeks 
> out I expect it will not hold. Close to what you paid. I was going to pick 
> it up but then one has to pay Utah sales tax which is more than the 
> shipping. So that fixed that.
> Thanks for helping Stanknowing me I am sure there will be more as I go 
> along. I'm going to fire up Windows now and see if Aspire will work with 
> the older program I have.  I have been using Windows XP Home edition. So 
> will most likely be up grading both VMware fusion which allows the Mac to 
> run multiple operating systems simultaneously and up grade to Windows 8. It 
> never ends.
>
> George 
>
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Re: The miniArty

[Stan]

Tim, you're right about the "splines to polylines" thing - with lots of 
> nodes. What I do is use the drawing tools to basically trace over the 
> spines as closely as possible to create a series of arcs which can be 
> joined to create a vector. Aspire has a "Fit Curves to Vectors" tool but 
> I've has limited success with it.


George, to answer your question on what comes with the Arty, the package 
price on the web site is for everything assembled and tested.  That 
includes the machine, computer and router or spindle, software including 
Conversational Cam and a trip to Utah for a day of hands-on training. The 
software is installed with the capability for Tracy to log on remotely for 
trouble solving. I sent them a computer which helped pricewise but I did 
purchase their water cooled spindle because they were running a special on 
it. I also already owned a Mach3 license. It comes with their "Smart Tool" 
for Z axis setting. The legs were included and installed.  There is a 
manual so you can verify axis calibration and other settings. Over all it 
is a nice package in a ready to run condition. It is very solid (and heavy) 
with all welded construction.
Stan

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Re: The miniArty

[Stan]

Bill, some of the Legacy on-line classes are on the website under "Videos". 
Some are done by Tracy, some by John and some by Chris. They record the 
classes and say that eventually the classes will be posted on the web site. 
I record the ones I attend so I can go through them at my own pace. 

Tim, I pretty sure splines are not in Aspire. I convert splines created in 
TurboCad to arcs before importing into Aspire. I use TurboCad Designer 
which is what Tracy uses. It believe I paid $20 for it and it does 
everything I need to do. There is a new version of Aspire due out soon 
which has a lot of enhancements including improved drawing functions for a 
$400 upgrade fee. I saw it demonstrated at the Vectric user group meeting 
in Cincinnati.
Stan



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Re: The miniArty

[Stan]

You're right George. I use TurboCan to do the drawing and import into 
Aspire which generates the gcode. I'm sure you could make chair spindles 
easily. I've not turned any chair spindles yet - I'm even a graduate of The 
Windsor Institute. I'm planning to build a chair and have many of the parts 
drawn. I can let you know how it goes when I get time to work on it. The 
chair is th Civil War officer's chair from the August issue of Woodworker's 
Journal.
Stan


On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 7:47:10 PM UTC-5, George Scott wrote:
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> Haven't posted in some time now...probably 'cause I haven't used my 900 in 
> quite awhile. I have a question or two if you don't mind. I am interested 
> in the Legacy MiniArty but have some concerns.  Well one main one for now. 
> Does anyone here have one? That concern is the 18" limit on spindles. Can't 
> turn chair, stool, or table legs. I can think of a lot of flat "things" to 
> make but spindles limited to 18"and yes I know that in some 
> instances joints are a work around. 
> Stepping up to an Arty is an option of course but doubles the price and 
> being a hobby guy that seems a bit much. 
> So any thoughts on the subject.
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Re: The miniArty

[Stan]

George, I have the Arty 58 and am pleased with it. It gives you enough 
length to mount a flat work area and not have to remove it for most 
turnings. If you are interested, call John at Legacy and I suspect he'll 
make you a deal that may surprise you. Just remember there is a crating and 
shipping charge that you should get in writing. Mine cost $200 for crating 
and $600 shipping which was $200 more than the shipping quote when I 
ordered. We hobby guys don't like surprises. To get some ideas on projects 
it can do, Legacy has free on-line training classes open to anyone, 
customer or not. Just go to legacycncwoodworking.com under CNC101. The 
class today is part 2 of turning a Faberge ornament.

Stan



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> Haven't posted in some time now...probably 'cause I haven't used my 900 in 
> quite awhile. I have a question or two if you don't mind. I am interested 
> in the Legacy MiniArty but have some concerns.  Well one main one for now. 
> Does anyone here have one? That concern is the 18" limit on spindles. Can't 
> turn chair, stool, or table legs. I can think of a lot of flat "things" to 
> make but spindles limited to 18"and yes I know that in some 
> instances joints are a work around. 
> Stepping up to an Arty is an option of course but doubles the price and 
> being a hobby guy that seems a bit much. 
> So any thoughts on the subject.
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Re: Evolution unveiled

[Stan]

Tim, to follow up on your spindle info, I have Legacy's 220V, 3HP spindle 
on my Arty 58 and so far I am very pleased with it. The reduced noise level 
is the first thing you notice. Legacy did a good job of mounting the 
inverter on the side of the machine. There is a bucket ( the familiar 
orange bucket from Home Depot) with the coolant pump mounted to the lid 
that sits on the floor under the machine. The coolant is 50-50 antifreeze 
and water. I have a 220 outlet close by for my big band saw so it works for 
both. I decided to get it since It came with Legacy's warranty and support 
and I got it when they had a $900 sale on spindles last summer. It was a 
good deal but it is still probably overkill for most of us. I've used a 2 
1/4 HP Hitachi router on my Joe's CNC for 3 years and have had no problems.
Stan

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Re: New Arty

[Stan]

The tapering is still manual but very simple without the need to make sure 
the 2 rail are level. As for the tailstock it appears to me to be a fixed 
steel 
dead center. 
Stan

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Re: Conversion of My 900 Unlikely Any Time Soon

[Stan Shuford]

I don't know if 8020 Garage Sale on EBay has the same rail but if they
do it would be a lot cheaper.
Thats where I buy for CNC use.
Stan


On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:41 PM, curt george  wrote:
> I am sorry to hear that. But If you think about it.It makes since.
> Legacy is now selling there CNC units, which uses less alum. rail. So Legacy
> supplier is ether selling more to other companies (to make up the losses),
> or they are halting there production all together.
> Supply and demand ,goes hand in hand. Less means the loss of. ( $$$). If the
> money is not there.then the supply will not be there ether.
>
> Hopefully things will change very soon.
> Good luck finding your rail.
> C.A.G.
> - Original Message - From: "Begat" 
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:30 PM
> Subject: Conversion of My 900 Unlikely Any Time Soon
>
>
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Seems that its almost impossible to get one's hands on Legacy's
>> aluminum rails; serious back order.
>>
>> begat
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Re: Shellac Flakes

[Stan Shuford]

I use a lot of shellac, mainly for a seal coat under either oil or
water based finishes. Stain goes on more evenly over a 1 pound cut of
seal coat. You can mix it or buy it pre-mixed at the big box stores.
Pre-mixed is easier. It is a 2 pound cut but you can add denatured
alcohol for any cut you want. Woodcraft and others sell the flakes in
clear, blond, amber, etc..
Shellac dries fast and will require several coats to build a finish,
light sanding between cats for a smooth finish. Shellac has about a 6
month shelf life and takes some effort to mix from flakes.

BTW, if anyone is interested in learning about CNC, Tracy is holding a
free, on line live seminar each Tuesday at 6:00 Eastern, followed by a
Q&A session. You can find more on the Legacy web site.

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On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:34 PM, aussiman  wrote:
> has any body used  Shellac  as a finish i'm interested in trying
> some,
> can you get white or blond Shellac Flakes if so were from
>
> Bill
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Re: Adjustable Gib Strip

[Stan Shuford]

Hey Tim,
I did not see Dale's modifications on Legacy's cnc forum. If you have
it I would like to see it. I'm also not aware of Legacy's updated cnc
slides. I was an early buyer of their standard package. BTW, I did
have a pfat pfinger check. Its a 1000EX. The slop got so bad that I
built a Joe's hybrid with a bolt on indexer.
I think your idea of a mechanical link between 2 screws would work. In
fact, Joe's plans call for a cog belt link between the 2 Y axis motor
rear shafts to keep them in sync in case of missed steps. With my
Gecko 203V drivers, I've not had a problem.
I'm ready to get the Legacy machine working again for a dedicated CNC
indexer. Any suggestions for keeping the carriage from twisting when
changing direction are welcome.

Stan



On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Tim Krause  wrote:
> Hi Stan,
>
> Did you see Dale's modifications over on Legacy's cnc forum for the original
> cnc upgrade?  I can post it here if needed.  Did you get Legacy's updated
> cnc slides when you upgraded your machine?  It used screws to adjust the
> tension as well.  Theirs pinched the outside of the rails, and rode on top
> of the rails.  It came out when they introduced the rack option.
>
> Adding another screw or axis is an option, another driver, motor, screw and
> nut and you are on your way.  Personally I would fix the slides well before
> adding another screw as a fix.  Heck, before I got that carried away
> electronically, I would add another screw that is linked physically to the
> other screw at the ends.  It would keep them in sync better and cheaper than
> an electronic solution.  It's really an old school solution but one that
> worked.  Hokey by today's standards.
>
> Did you fat finger your model number?  I've never heard of or seen a model
> 1300.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Stan Shuford
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Adjustable Gib Strip
> Tim, your adjustable gib strip is interesting. I have develped significant
> twist with my CNC'ed 1300.
> Please keep us up on your progress. I am considering a second (slaved) acme
> screw but it has it's challenges.
> Thanks for sharing.
> Stan
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Re: Digest for legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com - 6 Messages in 2 Topics

[Stan Shuford]

The scanner sounds cool, Art. Keep us updated.

Stan Shuford



On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Art Ransom  wrote:

>  Now those are cool!  Tell us more about Delrin.
>   I have a 3D laser scanner kit coming this week.  It will allow me to
> generate a 2.5D or 3D STL file that can be pulled into an CAD package to
> produce the G code.  If all goes well I will be able to do scans for 
> youwithin a month.
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Re: OM5 machines

[Stan Shuford]

Yes, I have the "smart tool. I found that Kent's macro code is more
reliable. The submarine dives are not fun. Hope your health problems are
better.
Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Art Ransom  wrote:

>  Glad to hear that.  I ran a stress test on my Hybrid and burned out the Z
> stepper after 2.5 hr.  Will get it replaced this week.  Turned out that the
> wrong current limit resistor was in machine.  Have you implemented the
> version of Legacy's Smart Tool ?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Stan Shuford 
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2010 8:10 AM
> *Subject:* Re: OM5 machines
>
> Art, I a running the smoothstepper om my Joe's with an indexer and having
> no problems. I'm running the current download code.
> Stan Shuford
> s...@shuford.com
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Art Ransom  wrote:
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>>  Thought I sent this but it didn't show up in my email.
>>
>> I have heard that Legacy uses the Smooth Stepper instead of PPs.  If this
>> is true what version of driver are they using and what are SS settings.  I
>> discovered problems with SS and rotary axis and Reference All so went back
>> to PP.  If they are running the SS then the problems are fixed and I can go
>> back to SS.
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Re: OM5 machines

[Stan Shuford]

Art, I a running the smoothstepper om my Joe's with an indexer and having no
problems. I'm running the current download code.
Stan Shuford
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>  Thought I sent this but it didn't show up in my email.
>
> I have heard that Legacy uses the Smooth Stepper instead of PPs.  If this
> is true what version of driver are they using and what are SS settings.  I
> discovered problems with SS and rotary axis and Reference All so went back
> to PP.  If they are running the SS then the problems are fixed and I can go
> back to SS.
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Re: Bull Nose Center

[Stan]

The bull-nose is not anything but a sleeve that fits over the tail to make
it exactly 1.4 in in diameter for touching off the bit. It is not a live
center. Its made of a hard plastic.
Stan


On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:56 PM, aussiman  wrote:

>
> I have a question does any body have a Bull Nose Center is it a live
> center with bearings or is it just a sleeve to make the already dead
> center larger
> also if anyone has a horizontal vise or double locking collar im
> looking for one
> Bill
> >
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Re: CNC

[Stan]

I have the Standard Legacy CNC. It works good.

Stan
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:07 AM, akransom  wrote:

>
> How about those that don't have a Legacy?  Even Dane admitted that the
> version I bought doesen't work.
> Art Ransom
> Lancaster,Texas USA
> www.turningaround.org
> akran...@tx.rr.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaren" 
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" 
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:05 AM
> Subject: Re: CNC
>
>
>
> I had moved a step closer (to purchasing) after seeing some customer
> service work From Legacy.  I am very disappointed that they haven't
> make things right. Especially since from Andy claims that he can
> create a conversational form system in a matter of minutes.
>
> C'mon, it is time to refund the customers' money  (for good faith) or
> to give purchasers in-store credit for the failed forms. Or actually
> focus the time to make the forms work correctly.
>
> I believe that there are many of us with cash in pocket waiting for
> Legacy to pull it together and begin (once agian) producing some great
> equipment.
> -Aaren
>
> On Mar 28, 7:55 pm, "Greg McDonald"
>  wrote:
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > Was just wondering Who All have cnc legacys?
> >
> > Greg
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Re: my z axis trouble

[Stan]

I had the same problem with the Z axis. You can tell Mach which is up and
down.
Go to Config and selectMotor Home/Soft Limits.
On the left you'll see  X,Y,Z ans A. Some will be green and some red. If you
click on Z it will reverse.
Mine has X and A  green, Y and Z red.
Stan Shuford
s...@shuford.com


On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 1:30 AM, woodfish  wrote:

>
> Here is a video on youtube showing what my z axis is doing. Any help
> or comments will be of help to fix this.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v9rvvh5yps
>
> Thanks
> Dave
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Re: cnc files

[Stan]

Glad to hear of your CNC upgrade. I have the code for the candlestick but
since it came from Legacy, I don't think they would want me to distribute it
without their permission. If you ask them for it, I suspect they will give
it to you - or - someone from Legacy could reply and give permission. I have
modified the code quite a bit  and it now does a perfect job for me - after
installing v bearings on the x axis and a few other mods.
The candlestick project is maybe the best way to tune your machine. If
anything is wrong it will show up, especially in the hollowing section. I
just bought some popular and cut a bunch of them, making changes to the
machine or the g-code till I got it right.
The best way to start learning the code is to use the output from a wizard
or the candlestick code and see what it does and figure out which commands
are doing each move. You can find a lot of help with the code, command
descriptions, books, etc on line at sites like cncinformation.com.
Start by running the machine without wood or bits and watch the moves.
I recently went through the same thing so if I can help you feel free to
contact me.
Stan



On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:20 AM, woodfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> where do I find the g-code files for making the candle stick on the
> cnc? I just upgraded my 1200 and still having a few issues with z
> axis. Hopfully Tracy will work out the bugs and I can get down to
> learning this cnc stuff.
>
> Take care!
> Dave
> >
>

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Re: CNC Upgrade and other things

[Stan]

I don't know what size the motors are. I can't see any identifying
information on them. They seem to be plenty Strong but are not large.
I believe the controller has room. I'll check it out.
It came with Mach3. The forms are negotiable - they don't automatically come
with it. I found them willing to bend some on several items.
There were a lot of upgrades required for my 1000EX which I also got.
Overall, it was a good experience.
Stan



On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Aaren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Stan,
>
> What can you tell me about the motors on your CNC?  I assume they are
> stepper.  What size are they?  Does the controller have any room to
> add an additional axis (b)?
>
> Just want to weigh the costs and trouble of building one myself vs.
> the cost and trouble of buying the Legacy. I wonder how many corners
> they cut for the "standard" version.
>
> Do I understand correctly that it comes with the Mach3 software and
> their "conversational forms"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaren
>
> On Nov 6, 5:54 am, Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hm. A spring. What a great idea. Thanks, Art.
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:04 PM, akransom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > One way to solve the problem is use a spring
> > >http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396
> > > Art Ransom
> > > Lancaster,Texas USA
> > >www.turningaround.org
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Aaren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" <
> Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: CNC Upgrade and other things
> >
> > > Thanks, Stan.
> >
> > > It's good to know that the problems can be worked around.  That's what
> > > this group was founded on... ;-)
> >
> > > Please keep us posted on any projects or mods you do!
> >
> > > -Aaren
> >
> > > On Nov 5, 1:21 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > Tim, the A axis is driven by 2 metal gears. There is a small gear on
> the
> > > > motor meshed with a larger gear which drives the part. The
> instructions
> > > > say to mesh them till there is no backlash. The problem is that the
> gears
> > > > were not perfect so if you meshed them that tight, they would bind at
> > > > certain points. I have worked on them and now i have no backlash. I
> think
> > > > a cog belt / pulley drive would be a better choice. That is the main
> area
> > > > that could be designed better on the machine. I also learned to use
> > > > Loctite on several of the screws, especially set screws
> >
> > > > Stan
> >
> > > >  Original Message 
> > > > Subject: Re: CNC Upgrade and other things
> > > > From: "Tim Krause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Date: Wed, November 05, 2008 10:20 am
> > > > To: 
> > > > Hi Stan,
> > > > I would be curious to see how they are driving the A axis, and how
> they
> > > > are
> > > > dealing with backlash in the setup. I have not seen them show
> examples of
> > > > reeding on a cnc. I could easily see the spindle moving a little
> creating
> > > > less than straight lines if any backlash is present in the system.
> > > > -Tim
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Aaren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" <
> Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:04 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: CNC Upgrade and other things
> > > > Hi, Stan
> > > > Would you post pics of your setup and mods? I must have missed
> several
> > > > posts, because I have heard very little from people with the CNC
> > > > upgrade. Didn't know of problems or fixes.
> > > > How accurate is the system now that it is "fixed"?
> > > > How much trouble was it to setup?
> > > > Would you do it again, or would you just set the Legacy aside and go
> > > > with a more conventional CNC?
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Aaren
> > > > On Nov 5, 7:59 am, Woodworker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > I read Andy's post and was surprised by his attitude towards the
> group

Re: CNC Upgrade and other things

[Stan]

Hm. A spring. What a great idea. Thanks, Art.

Stan



On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:04 PM, akransom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> One way to solve the problem is use a spring
> http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396
> Art Ransom
> Lancaster,Texas USA
> www.turningaround.org
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: CNC Upgrade and other things
>
>
>
> Thanks, Stan.
>
> It's good to know that the problems can be worked around.  That's what
> this group was founded on... ;-)
>
> Please keep us posted on any projects or mods you do!
>
> -Aaren
>
> On Nov 5, 1:21 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Tim, the A axis is driven by 2 metal gears. There is a small gear on the
> > motor meshed with a larger gear which drives the part. The instructions
> > say to mesh them till there is no backlash. The problem is that the gears
> > were not perfect so if you meshed them that tight, they would bind at
> > certain points. I have worked on them and now i have no backlash. I think
> > a cog belt / pulley drive would be a better choice. That is the main area
> > that could be designed better on the machine. I also learned to use
> > Loctite on several of the screws, especially set screws
> >
> >
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: CNC Upgrade and other things
> > From: "Tim Krause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wed, November 05, 2008 10:20 am
> > To: 
> > Hi Stan,
> > I would be curious to see how they are driving the A axis, and how they
> > are
> > dealing with backlash in the setup. I have not seen them show examples of
> > reeding on a cnc. I could easily see the spindle moving a little creating
> > less than straight lines if any backlash is present in the system.
> > -Tim
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Aaren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: CNC Upgrade and other things
> > Hi, Stan
> > Would you post pics of your setup and mods? I must have missed several
> > posts, because I have heard very little from people with the CNC
> > upgrade. Didn't know of problems or fixes.
> > How accurate is the system now that it is "fixed"?
> > How much trouble was it to setup?
> > Would you do it again, or would you just set the Legacy aside and go
> > with a more conventional CNC?
> > Thanks,
> > Aaren
> > On Nov 5, 7:59 am, Woodworker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I read Andy's post and was surprised by his attitude towards the group.
> > > After all, we are all customers. His company benefits from this group
> > > and the ideas and help and knowledge shared here,
> > > Technical assistance from Legacy is minimal and I have found to to be
> > > totally missing on several instances - except for Tracy. Tracy is
> always
> > > helpful and generous with his time and knowledge.
> > > They are going in a different direction by focusing on commercial CNC
> > > machines. I understand that because that's where the money is. that's
> > > another reason that Art, Mike, Burney C.A.G.and myxpykalix1 are so
> > > important to us.
> > > I have a 1000EX with the CNC standard package. I got no training except
> > > the videos and my calls for help to Tracy. I have had several problems
> > > but with Tracy's help I am operational.
> > > In fact, I am relatively pleased with the results. The biggest problem
> > > with the machine was the carriage "wobble" that was discussed here
> > > caused by he lead screw on only 1 side. I have solved that with
> Burney's
> > > help by installing the V bearings on the x axis with the hold down
> > > bearings. This tightened it up for about $150. It was easy to do and
> > > really made a difference.
> > > The main advantage of the Legacy is the A axis already built in. It can
> > > do turnings, spirals, flutes and all the other things we bought the
> > > Legacy for, as well as flat work. So far the relatively small flat work
> > > area is all I need. Its a different story if someone wants 4X4 or 4X8
> > > flat capability, I may add something like Joe's CNC Hybrid later.
> > > If anyone wants more info on the Leagcy CNC package, just contact me.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stan
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> >
>

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