old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

I have an old  model 900 that I'd like to do some upgrades on.  It has alum 
rails but no stand.   
I'd like to upgrade the headstock to a MT2 and 1x8 tpi threads as well as 
replace the
tailstock with something that can accept a MT2.
 
I can't seem to find a scale for the Y axis.  Anyone with a 900 have a 
scale and where abouts is it?  I have the long ruler scale for the X.

I'm on the west coast of Canada and legacy's are very scarce out here.

Also can anyone tell me what rpm range the original legacy dc motor for the 
leadscrew was?  I'm thinking of installing a motor.  Maybe a vehicle wiper 
motor and gearing.

Thank you
Tom

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Re: Jeff Richmond's Bearing Tailstock conversion

[Tom B.C. Canada]

Thank you Jeff.
I'm not sure what model I have.
I'll have to do some digging.

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 6:21:45 AM UTC-8 jtric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tom, this was posted previously. 
>
> You may find it helpful. I have a 900 model as well with no stand. 
>
> Jeff from Connecticut 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Tim Ziegler 
> *Date:* May 16, 2022 at 2:45:38 PM EDT
> *To:* LOM Group , Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* *Jeff Richmond's Bearing Tailstock conversion*
> *Reply-To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>
> Hey Guys, 
> Jeff shared some pics to post on the forum and so I am forwarding them to 
> share.  this basically shows the process to change it out, and clean it. 
> So if any of you don't have a bearing tailstock it's rather easy to do. 
> Jeff ordered a WoodRiver Tailstock from WoodCraft for about $30.00, a 
> pretty cheap investment for the benefits this offer's. Much smoother 
> turning no out of round tailstock holes. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> [image: Jeff's bearing replacement LOM 900.jpg][image: Jeff's bearing 
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Re: old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

from the pics over on  "history of orn mills"   it looks like a model 800.

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:44:48 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:

> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:43:30 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
>> whoops wrong picI tried sending 3 pics but it says the message was 
>> too long ??
>> lets try another pic
>>
>>

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Re: old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

I just realized I could fab up a rotary table from the 10"  2x  duplex gear 
and a smaller gear.
maybe get some bevel gears from a radial arm saw height winder  to transfer 
the handle motion to the table.

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:10:02 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:

> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:09:32 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:09:06 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:08:37 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:07:56 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:07:01 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think it's a 400 or 500.  the frame rails are 5 feet long.  
>>>>>> more pics
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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Re: old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

I think you're right Bill, it seems to be the closest  even though it says 
the 800 should have a MT2 head.
almost 12" between frame rails and 8&1/2" between bed rails.   Y axis rails 
are 15&1/2" long.
has tapering capacity.  the tail is about 3/8" threaded rod.  The index hub 
is welded to the 3/4"  head shaft.
Thanks for the head link Curt...might go that route.
  


On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:25:23 PM UTC-8 aussiman wrote:

> I’m sticking with my last guess as a model 800EXL I really think that’s 
> the one you have
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tom B.C. Canada
> *Sent:* Friday, 6 January 2023 5:10 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: old 900
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:09:32 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:09:06 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:08:37 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:07:56 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:07:01 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
> I don't think it's a 400 or 500.  the frame rails are 5 feet long.  
>
> more pics
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Re: old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

Thank you Timothy.  That involves more computer savvy than I have so I'll 
have to get some help with it.

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 5:48:35 AM UTC-8 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Take your pictures and use your Snip it tool and change to jpeg and you 
> can get a lot more pix to fit the 
> forum requirements. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
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>
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>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:44 PM Tom B.C. Canada  
> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:43:30 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>>
>>> whoops wrong picI tried sending 3 pics but it says the message was 
>>> too long ??
>>> lets try another pic
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Re: old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

Timothy,  I didn't realize Curt was talking about shopsmith parts. 
The head shaft is 3/4" dia and the tail is about 3/8" dia.
I'm pretty sure my 24 hole indexing head is welded right to the 3/4" shaft.
I tried hammering it off but no go and the hole from the back where the 
black plastic knob screws in doesn't go right through so I'm pretty sure 
there is no taper in there.  I'll scan the articles for shopsmith stuff.

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-8 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Tom,
>
> Curt was suggesting you modify that slightly and use Shopsmith 
> adapters for it? 
> Measure your Drive Center with a caliper (micrometer) and if its 5/8 all 
> the shopsmith attachments will fit right on your machine. 
> He may have to clarify about modifying it a bit but could save you a lot 
> of messing around. 
> Just some food for thought and may save you some trouble. I was not really 
> in this discussion so for whatever it's worth???
> Curt will watch for your response about midnight lol 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 10:41 AM Jeff Richmond  wrote:
>
>> Looks like an 800 model to me, I have one I picked up cheap for parts, it 
>> is similar to my model 900 but a bit narrower and lighter duty on bushings 
>> and headstock/tailstock. (earlier generation).
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2023, at 1:25 AM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I’m sticking with my last guess as a model 800EXL I really think that’s 
>> the one you have
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tom B.C. Canada
>> *Sent:* Friday, 6 January 2023 5:10 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: old 900
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:09:32 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:09:06 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:08:37 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:07:56 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:07:01 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>>
>> I don't think it's a 400 or 500.  the frame rails are 5 feet long.  
>>
>> more pics
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Re: old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

Jeff,  I wish there were lots of legacy's up here so I could do that.  
watching a video I learned legacy made 12000  manual machines
but is seems very few of them made it up here.

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:41:11 AM UTC-8 jtric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks like an 800 model to me, I have one I picked up cheap for parts, it 
> is similar to my model 900 but a bit narrower and lighter duty on bushings 
> and headstock/tailstock. (earlier generation).
>
> Jeff from Connecticut 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 6, 2023, at 1:25 AM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> 
>
> I’m sticking with my last guess as a model 800EXL I really think that’s 
> the one you have
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tom B.C. Canada
> *Sent:* Friday, 6 January 2023 5:10 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: old 900
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:09:32 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:09:06 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:08:37 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:07:56 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:07:01 PM UTC-8 Tom B.C. Canada wrote:
>
> I don't think it's a 400 or 500.  the frame rails are 5 feet long.  
>
> more pics
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Re: old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

from my experience shipping things from the USA to here is a real pain.
lots of ebay sellers won't even ship to Canada.
many costs are involved and the seller's "shipping" cost is only to the 
broker it seems
because the UPS person always has their hand out for more money when they 
arrive at the door. There's extra hidden charges for customs brokerage fees 
and taxes etc.
It's a gong show.

I'm coming up with ideas on redoing the whole machine.

Curt, thanks for the tail pic.   That looks like what I want to do.
might buy a cheap old wood lathe and steal the tail and head spindle from 
it.

Thanks to everyone for their contributions.


On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:11:23 AM UTC-8 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah but the rotary table is great to have. I have 2 of them and would 
> never trade them for anything. 
> You can make some really nice items on them. Rosettes are one of the 
> things I did a lot on. So if you have an opportunity 
> to get one or build one I strongly suggest you go for it. If you need 
> measurements or pix let me know I will get them for you. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
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> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 9:17 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Good morning everyone.
>>
>> Tom, I like that turn table/disk.  But I find the table is the lest used 
>> Legacy tool that I own.  Not to say anything bad about it, I just do not 
>> need to use  it a lot.   
>> In the early days of Legacy, they just used a 2x4 or a piece of plywood, 
>> and mounted it between the rails of the Legacy, Then they used the stylist 
>> form the templet follower as the center point, There table was just simple 
>> a router circle jig type of table. 
>> That's How Dane made his Grape arbor in one of his video/ Garden arbor,( 
>> Legacy project 2 video.)
>>
>> I have to go,
>> talk to you all more latter.
>> Have a great day.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 07:31:06 AM EST,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Well I’m in if it has a controller lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 7 January 2023 10:47 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: old 900
>>
>>  
>>
>> For sure. We have one out here about a 1 1/2 away that I have thought 
>> about doing that with. I already know someone that could use the rails. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
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>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:34 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Another option you may not have conceded is buy one with a partner it 
>> would be cheaper and he could send you
>>
>> What parts you need and keep what parts he needs
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tom B.C. Canada
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 7 January 2023 2:45 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: old 900
>>
>>  
>>
>> Jeff,  I wish there were lots of legacy's up here so I could do that.  
>> watching a video I learned legacy made 12000  manual machines
>>
>> but is seems very few of them made it up here.
>>
>> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:41:11 AM UTC-8 jtric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Looks like an 800 model to me, I have one I picked up cheap for parts, it 
>> is similar to my model 900 but a bit narrower and lighter duty on bushings 
>> and headstock/tailstock. (earlier generation).
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2023, at 1:25 AM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I’m sticking with my last guess as a model 800EXL I really think that’s 
>> the one you have
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tom B.C. Canada
>> *Sent:* Friday, 6 January 2023 5:10 PM

Re: old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

Curt,  I have that vid about the grape arbour so I know what you mean.
I'm not sure just what I'd make with the table but I think the more options 
the better.

You made some great points about the drive hub and prong pieces being very 
useful.
If I can get a 1x8 with morse2 spindle then I could modify my hub into a 
morse 2 so it could
slide into the spindle.  I'd like to have the chuck option as well. 

Very kind of you  to let me know about the possible table Tim-thank you.
If I could get one then there'd be no need to build one I suppose.
I've never seen the underside of the legacy rotary table.
Is there a big bearing under there between the mounting plate and the gear- 
like a lazy susan bearing ?
On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 4:30:34 PM UTC-8 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> 😉
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 5:46 PM  wrote:
>
>> Tom if you think shipping to Canada  is difficult try to Australia but if 
>> you have good friends on this group all things are possible 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tom B.C. Canada
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 8 January 2023 6:24 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: old 900
>>
>>  
>>
>> from my experience shipping things from the USA to here is a real pain.
>>
>> lots of ebay sellers won't even ship to Canada.
>>
>> many costs are involved and the seller's "shipping" cost is only to the 
>> broker it seems
>>
>> because the UPS person always has their hand out for more money when they 
>>
>> arrive at the door. There's extra hidden charges for customs brokerage 
>> fees and taxes etc.
>>
>> It's a gong show.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm coming up with ideas on redoing the whole machine.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Curt, thanks for the tail pic.   That looks like what I want to do.
>>
>> might buy a cheap old wood lathe and steal the tail and head spindle from 
>> it.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks to everyone for their contributions.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:11:23 AM UTC-8 timjz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah but the rotary table is great to have. I have 2 of them and would 
>> never trade them for anything. 
>>
>> You can make some really nice items on them. Rosettes are one of the 
>> things I did a lot on. So if you have an opportunity 
>>
>> to get one or build one I strongly suggest you go for it. If you need 
>> measurements or pix let me know I will get them for you. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 9:17 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning everyone.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Tom, I like that turn table/disk.  But I find the table is the lest used 
>> Legacy tool that I own.  Not to say anything bad about it, I just do not 
>> need to use  it a lot.   
>>
>> In the early days of Legacy, they just used a 2x4 or a piece of plywood, 
>> and mounted it between the rails of the Legacy, Then they used the stylist 
>> form the templet follower as the center point, There table was just simple 
>> a router circle jig type of table. 
>>
>> That's How Dane made his Grape arbor in one of his video/ Garden arbor,( 
>> Legacy project 2 video.)
>>
>>  
>>
>> I have to go,
>>
>> talk to you all more latter.
>>
>> Have a great day.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 07:31:06 AM EST,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well I’m in if it has a controller lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 7 January 2023 10:47 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject

Re: old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

Curt,  thanks for those pics of the rotary table over on the other thread.
my head spindle is 3/4" diameter.
So you mean I could get the 12 hole index head cut off, then the 3/4" 
spindle shaft turned down
to 5/8" dia and the SSmith accessories would all slide on ?
Then I'd have to weld an adapter shaft to the 12 hole drive hub so I can 
use it on the 5/8" spindle.. 
I'm not familiar with SSmith parts. So I'd have to look into that and see 
if some
are for sale up here.  Thanks for pointing out all these options.

I think I'd like to have the option of the MT2. ?

If you're not using your MT2 how do you hold on your drive hub?
Can you just grab it with the chuck?
On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:25:03 PM UTC-8 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
>
> Tom. what size or dia. is your Legacy headstock shaft (the part your drive 
> hub is connected to?)
>
> The easiest way to modify your headstock would be to turn the front part 
> of your shaft to 5/8" dia.
> This would let you use all of the Shop Smith lathe parts. from a 1x8 TPI, 
> lathe chucks and faceplates.
> modifying your drive  hub is a very easy process too. (that is to make 
> your drive hub into a SS adapter, as well.)
> Then you would have it all. (except the MT2 part.) 
> If you cant live without a MT2, then you will have to either make one 
> (like I did.) or modify another Legacy's headstock to fit your machine.
>  
> *{NOTE:* as a side note, I found that the MT2 parts are almost to big to 
> fit the Legacy's headstock for adding ball bearings, But a MT1 taper is 
> small enough to keep the Legacy housing of the headstock, while leaving 
> room for ball bearings or bushings.}   
>
> *I think for the bang for the buck would be to go with the first idea.*  
> Any machinist could easily re-work the spindle/drive shaft on your legacy, 
> plus Modify the drive hub adaptor for little money. (Its an easy job for a 
> steel lathe.)  
> As for myself. I almost never use the MT2 part of the headstock on my 
> Legacy, the 1x8 thread and the drive hub are normally what I use.
> Legacy even made the REVO with a 5/8" shaft. So why not your Legacy too?
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 08:09:54 PM EST, Tom B.C. Canada <
> gol...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Curt,  I have that vid about the grape arbour so I know what you mean.
> I'm not sure just what I'd make with the table but I think the more 
> options the better.
>
> You made some great points about the drive hub and prong pieces being very 
> useful.
> If I can get a 1x8 with morse2 spindle then I could modify my hub into a 
> morse 2 so it could
> slide into the spindle.  I'd like to have the chuck option as well. 
>
> Very kind of you  to let me know about the possible table Tim-thank you.
> If I could get one then there'd be no need to build one I suppose.
> I've never seen the underside of the legacy rotary table.
> Is there a big bearing under there between the mounting plate and the 
> gear- like a lazy susan bearing ?
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 4:30:34 PM UTC-8 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 😉
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 5:46 PM  wrote:
>
> Tom if you think shipping to Canada  is difficult try to Australia but if 
> you have good friends on this group all things are possible 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tom B.C. Canada
> *Sent:* Sunday, 8 January 2023 6:24 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: old 900
>
>  
>
> from my experience shipping things from the USA to here is a real pain.
>
> lots of ebay sellers won't even ship to Canada.
>
> many costs are involved and the seller's "shipping" cost is only to the 
> broker it seems
>
> because the UPS person always has their hand out for more money when they 
>
> arrive at the door. There's extra hidden charges for customs brokerage 
> fees and taxes etc.
>
> It's a gong show.
>
>  
>
> I'm coming up with ideas on redoing the whole machine.
>
>  
>
> Curt, thanks for the tail pic.   That looks like what I want to do.
>
> might buy a cheap old wood lathe and steal the tail and head spindle from 
> it.
>
>  
>
> Thanks to everyone for their contributions.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:11:23 AM UTC-8 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yeah but the rotary table is great to have. 

Re: old 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

Thanks Tim & Bill.I don't think I have the snipping tool.  I see no 
scissors when I left or right click on a pic.
I find it difficult following others directions with anything computer 
related so don't waste anymore time with me on this.
I seem to have puzzled out a method that works so I'll stick with that for 
now.

been enjoying reading many past posts.  

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:46:45 PM UTC-8 aussiman wrote:

> Tom open the pic then click on the snipping tool, that little button that 
> looks like a pair of scissors ,when the little box appears on the screen 
> click the scissors icon in that then draw a box around your pic then on the 
> new box click  file and on the drop down click save as, and choose desktop
>
> And click save . the pic you save will be a lot less megabits in size
>
>  
>
> Bill 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tom B.C. Canada
> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 January 2023 2:01 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: old 900
>
>  
>
> pay no attention to this post,   I'm just trying to figure out how to 
> resize my jpeg photos so I can get several in one post.
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 9:07:16 PM UTC-8 aussiman wrote:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M2eAZDsFz8JK70famI7Ozs_5iSjghKy5/view
>
>  
>
> opps missed it sorry
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *bulk...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Monday, 9 January 2023 3:47 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: old 900
>
>  
>
> Here are some pics of the rotary table from the 900 user manual if you 
> don’t have the manual here is the link from legacy where you can
>
> Download it 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Ken and Diana
> *Sent:* Sunday, 8 January 2023 9:24 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: old 900
>
>  
>
> I would be interested in any and all info on the rotary for the LOM.
>
> I am a new owner of a 900 model and am slowly getting it together and I 
> find the rotary 
>
> table concept  very interesting.
>
>   I am a retired machinist so maybe I could build myself one with some 
> helpful information from 
>
> this group.
>
> Thanks, Ken
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 2:47 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Well for what it is worth, we have a company we started working with out 
> of Wisc. that really knows the shipping arena, 
>
> so if you decide to try having something shipped , or questions let me 
> know and I will reach out to them and see if we can help you.
>
> We are all about helping each other. Take care, have a great afternoon. 
> More later. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:24 PM Tom B.C. Canada  wrote:
>
> from my experience shipping things from the USA to here is a real pain.
>
> lots of ebay sellers won't even ship to Canada.
>
> many costs are involved and the seller's "shipping" cost is only to the 
> broker it seems
>
> because the UPS person always has their hand out for more money when they 
>
> arrive at the door. There's extra hidden charges for customs brokerage 
> fees and taxes etc.
>
> It's a gong show.
>
>  
>
> I'm coming up with ideas on redoing the whole machine.
>
>  
>
> Curt, thanks for the tail pic.   That looks like what I want to do.
>
> might buy a cheap old wood lathe and steal the tail and head spindle from 
> it.
>
>  
>
> Thanks to everyone for their contributions.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:11:23 AM UTC-8 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yeah but the rotary table is great to have. I have 2 of them and would 
> never trade them for anything. 
>
> You can make some really nice items on them. Rosettes are one of the 
> things I did a lot on. So if you have an opportunity 
>
> to get one or build one I strongly suggest you go for it. If you need 
> measurements or pix let me know I will get them for you. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> c

Re: I'm in the Game!

[Tom B.C. Canada]

Wow, that's a beauty Mike. congrats.  how many inches between the tilting 
bed rails?
Could you post a closer pic of the chuck?
thanks
Tom

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:28:38 PM UTC-8 aussiman wrote:

> You can download a manual here on legacys sight
>
> https://lwmcnc.com/cnc-systems/past-models/ornamental-mills/manuals/
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Jim Russell
> *Sent:* Friday, 13 January 2023 2:38 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: I'm in the Game!
>
>  
>
> By chance did your purchase include an owner's manual? I have lost mine to 
> hungry rats and need one. If you could send me a copy, it would be deeply 
> appreciated. I would pay you for your time. Let me know.
>
> Thank you for your time,
>
> Jim Russell
>
> Ventura, Ca
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 06:42:28 PM PST, Jeff Richmond <
> jtric...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Nice looking machine 👍
>
>
>
> Jeff from Connecticut 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2023, at 9:07 PM, Mike Newman  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I was successful this week in finding a nice condition LOM 1200 that does 
> not appear to be used much.  2nd owner said he bought it for table legs but 
> then never really used it and needed space in his shop.   Price was right 
> because it only had 1 drive gear.  It has the std index gear set, rotary 
> table, 4 jaw chuck, casters, router.  Cleaned it up and adjusted things to 
> run a test piece of walnut out of my scrap bin.  I threw a bowl bottom bit 
> on it that I already had to round over the piece and then put a faint 
> spiral on it to start to get a feel for the machine.  It ran/crank pretty 
> smooth on the x/y axis.  Z is just the plunge for now, time will tell me if 
> i want to go z-axis hunting in the future.  My DynaGlide showed up today so 
> I'm good there.  Also talked to Cindy at Legacy and she had a set of drive 
> gears on the shelf so they are already headed my way.  Hope to really play 
> this weekend.  Also need to buy a few router bits for rope/barley twists.  
> I have decent collection of general bits already.  Also will be fabricating 
> my own thin stock support for future use.  This group has been very helpful 
> so far so thanks for that.
>
>  
>
> 
>
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Re: z-axis upgrade questions

[Tom B.C. Canada]

Thanks to Bill & Curt for those answers.  I'm thinking of changing the z 
axis on my machine also.  there was a triton at the local pawn shop for 
sale so I'll have to do more investigation about them and how the z 
adjustment works.   wow Curt that is a lot of experimentation on your z !  
 the current version looks really solid.
Bill what are the big advantages of the triton over the PC 7539 I have ?  
 I've been looking for z axis linear guides on Amazon etc but I don't see 
one big enough and strong enough for a heavy router...most are for small z 
movement.   thanks for asking Mike. 

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:22:14 AM UTC-8 aussiman wrote:

> I just realised I haven’t posted any pics or video of my new tilting Z 
> axis I better get to and do it its been finished for weeks I don’t even 
> have any pics left on my phone of making it I deleted them all.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Monday, 23 January 2023 1:56 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: z-axis upgrade questions
>
>  
>
> Hello Mike.
>
>  
>
> I have no idea on the Z axis as far as switching it form one machine to 
> another.
>
>  
>
> The Main advantage of the Z axis up-grades is depth of cut, true the 
> control of the plunging movement on the Z axis is also a nice . But as I 
> see it, the average plunge router has 3"-4" of movement,  When working with 
> larger pieces of wood the I always seemed to need to adjust the Legacy's 
> rails to reach where I wanted to cut. (it was a very big pain for me to 
> adjust everything, at those times .)  
>
> So I decided to make my own Z axis, In stead of buying one.  
>
> At this time I'm not sure if it was a good idea or not. But  over the 
> years I have changed my Z axis a few times on my Legacy.
>
>  I am very happy having the ability to reach 6"-9" for the depth of cut, 
> vs 3"-4" my router could do, has made wooding much easer.
>
> I have also found being able to control the movement down to the 1/23" to 
> also be a very big help.
>
>  
>
> I know that Bill LOVES his Triton TRA001 3.25 router. (He has raved over 
> its ability's for many years now.) So that could  be a very good idea for 
> you.   "The bang for the Buck" buying a Triton router would be easer to do 
> then either making or buying a new Z axis for the Legacy.  Its defiantly 
> something to think about.
>
> (Here are a few home made versions that I've had on my Legacy.)
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 09:01:46 AM EST, Mike Newman <
> mrnew...@outlook.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> A few questions about the Z-axis upgrade sled with acme screw adjustment.  
> If I can buy one that is currently on a 900 LOM will it also directly fit 
> my 1200 LOM?  Second question is more personal opinion and only important 
> if the Z-axis can be swapped across machines.  What are the groups thoughts 
> on buying a new Triton TRA001 3.25 router that has the rack/pinon plunge 
> mechanism vs finding and buying a Z-axis upgrade sled to gain more control 
> over z-axis movement.  I think you get more z-axis travel with the sled vs 
> new router, but also get the added weight which might be cumbersome if I am 
> sliding along x or y-axis manually.  
>
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Re: z-axis upgrade questions

[Tom B.C. Canada]

thanks for all the info guys.
curt- that z axis might be what I need.
bill- fine adjustment...my ears went up about that..my PC 7539 
doesn't have that unless you want to monkey with feeler gauges. 
good advise about the light cuts-I'll have to keep that in mind.
I watched a vid from Triton about their  bigger router so next time I'm at
the pawn shop I know what to check out.
Tim- do you mean Pc doesn't make the 7539 or 7518 any more?
I think I have a lighter PC in a plastic case somewhere that I can dig out
if needed.

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 6:57:48 PM UTC-8 aussiman wrote:

> Tim here is the triton link you showed me 
> https://www.rockler.com/triton-325hp-router-motor
>
>  
>
> Ahh choices choices which one to buy, woodpeckers always have quality 
> tools and rocker has good stuff too
>
> Glade I’m not choosing.
>
>  
>
> Bill 
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 23 January 2023 1:21 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: z-axis upgrade questions
>
>  
>
> Hey Tom,
>
>  
>
> If you can't find the Triton, WoodPecker has a 3.25 hp router out now 
> "Spin Rite" ? I think,
>
> You make check with Incra or Jessem too. I am sure at least 3 
> companies have grabbed the 3.25 router market after PC.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 2:26 PM Tom B.C. Canada  
> wrote:
>
> Thanks to Bill & Curt for those answers.  I'm thinking of changing the z 
> axis on my machine also.  there was a triton at the local pawn shop for 
> sale so I'll have to do more investigation about them and how the z 
> adjustment works.   wow Curt that is a lot of experimentation on your z !  
>  the current version looks really solid.
>
> Bill what are the big advantages of the triton over the PC 7539 I have ?  
>  I've been looking for z axis linear guides on Amazon etc but I don't see 
> one big enough and strong enough for a heavy router...most are for small z 
> movement.   thanks for asking Mike. 
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:22:14 AM UTC-8 aussiman wrote:
>
> I just realised I haven’t posted any pics or video of my new tilting Z 
> axis I better get to and do it its been finished for weeks I don’t even 
> have any pics left on my phone of making it I deleted them all.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Monday, 23 January 2023 1:56 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: z-axis upgrade questions
>
>  
>
> Hello Mike.
>
>  
>
> I have no idea on the Z axis as far as switching it form one machine to 
> another.
>
>  
>
> The Main advantage of the Z axis up-grades is depth of cut, true the 
> control of the plunging movement on the Z axis is also a nice . But as I 
> see it, the average plunge router has 3"-4" of movement,  When working with 
> larger pieces of wood the I always seemed to need to adjust the Legacy's 
> rails to reach where I wanted to cut. (it was a very big pain for me to 
> adjust everything, at those times .)  
>
> So I decided to make my own Z axis, In stead of buying one.  
>
> At this time I'm not sure if it was a good idea or not. But  over the 
> years I have changed my Z axis a few times on my Legacy.
>
>  I am very happy having the ability to reach 6"-9" for the depth of cut, 
> vs 3"-4" my router could do, has made wooding much easer.
>
> I have also found being able to control the movement down to the 1/23" to 
> also be a very big help.
>
>  
>
> I know that Bill LOVES his Triton TRA001 3.25 router. (He has raved over 
> its ability's for many years now.) So that could  be a very good idea for 
> you.   "The bang for the Buck" buying a Triton router would be easer to do 
> then either making or buying a new Z axis for the Legacy.  Its defiantly 
> something to think about.
>
> (Here are a few home made versions that I've had on my Legacy.)
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 09:01:46 AM EST, Mike Newman <
> mrnew...@outlook.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> A few questions about the Z-axis upgrade sled with acme screw adjustment.  
> If I can buy one that is currently on a 900 LOM will it also

Re: triple spiral

[Tom B.C. Canada]

Yep, very cool indeed, thanks bill.
I watched all the vids about making these.

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 6:52:27 PM UTC-8 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very cool
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 8:17 PM  wrote:
>
>> these were also made on the legacy with the same prosses
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *bulk...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Monday, 23 January 2023 12:31 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* triple spiral
>>
>>  
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS4_-D8bLHg&ab_channel=aussiman77181
>>
>>  
>>
>> this one is for you tom that what I was making
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Re: new tilting Z axis

[Tom B.C. Canada]

That's a great creative solution Bill.  
I'm probably going to steal some ideas.  
I see you also have the option of the horizontal router from
the side with the drop down router support plate and dropdown tailstock
complete with tapering option.   very versatile.

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:03:56 PM UTC-8 aussiman wrote:

> Oh the ribbon spiral no that is just a pic I dug up in my legacy pics 
> folder that was just to show one of the things available 
>
> To anyone with a tilting router 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 January 2023 9:55 AM
> *To:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: new tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
>  
>
> Thanks Joe. (I always enjoy your commentary and photo's.) 
>
> *Joe Question for you*.  on roping form the side, how do you figure the 
> angle? Or is it just something done by eye?
>
>  
>
> *Question for Bill*. Did you make that Scroll cut spindle?  I saw it 
> being done on the Wood chuck years ago. but have not even though of it for 
> a long time.
>
> *Perhaps you could show or explain the process of doing it for the Group?*
>
>  
>
> *C.A.G.*
>
>  
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 04:03:07 PM EST, 'finu...@aol.com' via 
> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> thanks Bill!... I feel fortunate that I can write off the costs of the 
> mods I did as business expenses... some were a bit costly, but felt it was 
> justified if the following week I was going to use the machine to make a 
> costly, billable piece for a client... very impressed with what a number of 
> people in this group have accomplished in the way of modifying their Legacy 
> machines and it being somewhat of a "hobby" for them... Joe B.
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:17:10 AM UTC-5 aussiman wrote:
>
> Now that’s just showing off 😊 lol that big mill of yours really is 
> something Joe
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 January 2023 3:04 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: new tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> for the new guys that might be interested... I believe I posted this 
> previously, but not sure... my "Z" axis upgrade with the router rotating on 
> the "X" plane  and tilting on the "Y" plane... this was done with the 
> smallest tilting/rotary table I could find(Grizzly?)...  mounted the Legacy 
> router mounting plate to the rotary/tilting table, then mounted the table 
> to an aluminum plate that was then attached to the "Z" axis tower... 
> multiple mounting holes allowed the router quite a bit of up and down 
> mounting positions... also widened the "Z" axis tower by using some small 
> pieces of leftover aluminum railing... this was probably the easiest and 
> quickest mod i ever did on my machine... and the sight lines it created to 
> the workpiece are very much improved from a typical "Z" axis... the router 
> can rotate a full 360 degrees(but for what?... LOL!) and tilt out 90 
> degrees,(I believe)... although I have not tested the limits of these 
> variable router positions, physics being what they are, I might suspect 
> there would be some vibration issues if taking large cuts with large router 
> bits... so far, haven't had to do that, just small milling cuts on 
> pre-turned workpieces with excellent results... can do undercuts with this 
> setup, but then again, why?... I don't ever get to "play" with my Legacy to 
> see what it is capable of doing, as it is necessary for me to spend most of 
> my time at work doing billable jobs... I even had to move the machine quite 
> a distance away from my everyday shop as it was rarely needed for the 
> current work we are doing... photo shows this setup in use... doing a 
> twisted fluted pole... because of the rotation of the router and the 
> "attack" angle of the  fluting bit, there was little to no sanding 
> necessary... big advantage then coming from top dead center(as previousle 
> done on the unmodified Legacy)... the router bit is now being used as it 
> was designed to be used... Joe Biunno
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:58:18 AM UTC-5 aussiman wrote:
>
> Ps what I forgot to mention is that it all comes off and you can put the 
> whole z axis back to legacy stock standard if needed as well
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 January 2023 2:43 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: new tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> perfect, no a good explanation works out just fine. Thanks for that Bill. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Jan 23,

Re: Eric 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

At the tail end of the bed is a red crossmember with a long oval cut out on 
the beveled part.
what is that for ?  and does that red crossmember connect to the frame or 
the bed?
what's the bevel for?
Looks like a great machine Eric, especially with the adjustable z axis so 
you can see what
the bit is doing.  
Does the z axis have delrin that travels up and down in the alum 
rails..kinda like the Y  ?
Thanks for posting all the pics. 

On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 6:45:24 PM UTC-8 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
wrote:

> Your rails might also be very slightly out of line too with the saddle at 
> the tight end loosen and retighten the screws holding the rails and also 
> the screws holding the saddle top hat this may help it doesn’t take much to 
> stiffen it up slightly some one may tell you to file the Delrin top hat 
> slightly that is a last resort after trying everything else first
>
> Because elsewhere with then will be too loose 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Eric Gantner
> *Sent:* Thursday, 9 February 2023 1:33 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Eric 900
>
>  
>
> Bill,
>
>  
>
> I need to recheck everything then, mine is not that smooth especially 
> towards the tailstock end.  I will check out the video, thank you for the 
> info.  
>
>  
>
> Eric
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2023, at 8:24 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> 
>
> The first thing to check is when the both half nuts are disengaged and 
> dyna-glide lubricated both saddles slide easily all the way in both 
> directions
>
> they should not be tight one finger easy That takes all the strain off the 
> half nuts and top hat slides and even the gears
>
> that is the best way to determine that your mill is most likely  assembled 
> correct and working properly . always check this before starting any job 
> this will greatly increase the life of all things made of Delrin on your 
> mill.
>
> After a mount of time your mills slides will get tight even with cleaning 
> dust builds up between the top hats where you can’t see and periodically 
> will need clearing you can see me doing it on my revo mill here 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m0FrK1EGFg&ab_channel=aussiman77181 in 
> the middle of milling the wooden screw.
>
> it’s the same on regular mills the top hat rails are just on the side 
> instead of on top they are cleaned the same way.
>
> So when you think your rails are clean and after it moves easy a small 
> distance gets tight this is the problem.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Eric Gantner
> *Sent:* Thursday, 9 February 2023 10:40 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Eric 900
>
>  
>
> Bill, 
>
>  
>
> Thanks, I will also take pictures of the whole mill.
>
>  
>
> Eric Gantner
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 6:34 PM  wrote:
>
> From what I can see which is not all of the mill everything looks ok, 
> before amazon ask the group someone might have a spare
> Spindle crank handle they could sell you
>
> Bill
>
> -Original Message-
> From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
> On Behalf Of Eric Gantner
> Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2023 9:38 AM
> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Eric 900
>
> Good Evening Gents,
>
> I turned on 900 for the time today, big learning curve.  Come to find out 
> I am missing a spindle shaft handle.  Pretty sure I  can order a handle 
> from Amazon and make the hole bigger.  Please check out my pictures and 
> please let me know if some is setup  incorrectly.  Thanks Eric Gantner
>
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Re: Eric 900

[Tom B.C. Canada]

thanks Bill

On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:18:43 PM UTC-8 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
wrote:

> That is exactly what it’s for it’s a handle because the 900 has no height 
> adjusting acme screws like the larger models do
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Eric Gantner
> *Sent:* Thursday, 9 February 2023 2:43 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Eric 900
>
>  
>
> Tom,
>
>  
>
> It is part of the bed, one of the SME’s can better answer what it is for.  
> I would guess it it so you can grab it when you have to adjust the height.  
> I am not sure about the Z-axis, that part came put together MTF.  Thanks
>
>  
>
> Eric G. 
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 10:10 PM Tom B.C. Canada  
> wrote:
>
> At the tail end of the bed is a red crossmember with a long oval cut out 
> on the beveled part.
>
> what is that for ?  and does that red crossmember connect to the frame or 
> the bed?
>
> what's the bevel for?
>
> Looks like a great machine Eric, especially with the adjustable z axis so 
> you can see what
>
> the bit is doing.  
>
> Does the z axis have delrin that travels up and down in the alum 
> rails..kinda like the Y  ?
>
> Thanks for posting all the pics. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 6:45:24 PM UTC-8 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
> wrote:
>
> Your rails might also be very slightly out of line too with the saddle at 
> the tight end loosen and retighten the screws holding the rails and also 
> the screws holding the saddle top hat this may help it doesn’t take much to 
> stiffen it up slightly some one may tell you to file the Delrin top hat 
> slightly that is a last resort after trying everything else first
>
> Because elsewhere with then will be too loose 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Eric Gantner
> *Sent:* Thursday, 9 February 2023 1:33 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Eric 900
>
>  
>
> Bill,
>
>  
>
> I need to recheck everything then, mine is not that smooth especially 
> towards the tailstock end.  I will check out the video, thank you for the 
> info.  
>
>  
>
> Eric
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>  
>
> On Feb 8, 2023, at 8:24 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> 
>
> The first thing to check is when the both half nuts are disengaged and 
> dyna-glide lubricated both saddles slide easily all the way in both 
> directions
>
> they should not be tight one finger easy That takes all the strain off the 
> half nuts and top hat slides and even the gears
>
> that is the best way to determine that your mill is most likely  assembled 
> correct and working properly . always check this before starting any job 
> this will greatly increase the life of all things made of Delrin on your 
> mill.
>
> After a mount of time your mills slides will get tight even with cleaning 
> dust builds up between the top hats where you can’t see and periodically 
> will need clearing you can see me doing it on my revo mill here 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m0FrK1EGFg&ab_channel=aussiman77181 in 
> the middle of milling the wooden screw.
>
> it’s the same on regular mills the top hat rails are just on the side 
> instead of on top they are cleaned the same way.
>
> So when you think your rails are clean and after it moves easy a small 
> distance gets tight this is the problem.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Eric Gantner
> *Sent:* Thursday, 9 February 2023 10:40 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Eric 900
>
>  
>
> Bill, 
>
>  
>
> Thanks, I will also take pictures of the whole mill.
>
>  
>
> Eric Gantner
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 6:34 PM  wrote:
>
> From what I can see which is not all of the mill everything looks ok, 
> before amazon ask the group someone might have a spare
> Spindle crank handle they could sell you
>
> Bill
>
> -Original Message-
> From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
> On Behalf Of Eric Gantner
> Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2023 9:38 AM
> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Eric 900
>
> Good Evening Gents,
>
> I turned on 900 for the time today, big learning curve.  Come to find out 
> I am missing a spindle shaft handle.  Pretty sure I  can order a handle 
> from Amazon and make the hole bigger.  Please check out my pictures and 
> please let me know if some is setup  incorrectly.  Thanks Eric Gantner
>
> -- 
> You 

Re: Plastic gears

[Tom B.C. Canada]

  interesting, thanks for posting.
On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-8 Eric Gantner wrote:

> [image: IMG_4535 Medium.png][image: IMG_4536 Medium.png][image: IMG_4537 
> Medium.png][image: IMG_4540 Medium.png]
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 10, 2023, at 11:06 PM, Eric Gantner  wrote:
>
> 
> Curt, 
>
> I made a couple modes to your file so I could 3d print them.  The gears 
> are 1/8 inch thick and the identification labels 1/32 in depth, I need to 
> move a few of the labels as they are too close to the square whole. For 3d 
> printing I needed resize the square to 5/16. The print job took 3 hours as 
> I printed them all at the same time.  Cost of material was a $1.78. I will 
> post the file once I fix the labeling. 
>
> I do want order a set from legacy, but I am going try see how this set 
> works over the next few days.  
>
>
> V/r
> Eric Gantner
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 1:01 PM  wrote:
>
>> I don’t care what ever or who ever get the group going great 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 February 2023 11:41 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Plastic gears
>>
>>  
>>
>> yeah kinda weird
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave. 
>> 
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330 
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 10:29 PM  wrote:
>>
>> I don’t get it when I talked printing plastic gears all I got was 
>> negatives now everyone wants to print gears lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Eric Gantner
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 February 2023 2:41 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: Plastic gears
>>
>>  
>>
>> Curt,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am going to print a set of your gears with my 3D printer.  I think I 
>> need to change my pressure angle to 25 on mine the still edit each one.  
>> More to follow. Thanks!  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Eric Gantner
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:39:18 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Eric. and everyone who wants these gears.
>>
>> I made a program today,  The Drive gears that I made fit the Legacy's 
>> perfectly.
>>
>> Here are the file.  The DFX file should work for everyone.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I can make others, what I did today was just basic tooth counts of 
>> 60,50,40,30,25 tooth gears.
>>
>> The Diametric pitch for the drive gears are 25. the Newer laser cut 
>> ones/Indexing and duplex gears are 12.
>>
>> I made a set for both today. 
>>
>> I know that the Plexiglas gears will not hold up. but  the white ones are 
>> Derlin, They should hold up? (NOTE: the White/Derlin, one are to thick for 
>> the directional gears to mesh with now, I plan to try to mill them 
>> down/make them thinner. 
>>
>> At this time its all trial and error.
>>
>>  
>>
>> If anyone else wants to try, Feel free to use any info I am presenting.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I wish you all luck.
>>
>> More latter.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 01:25:24 PM EST, Eric Gantner <
>> chefswoo...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Curt,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Do you happen to have the teeth count of any of the drive gears.  Thought 
>> I would check before I start counting the teeth from this photo.  Thanks
>>
>>  
>>
>> Eric Gantner
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_1344]
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2023, at 9:46 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Good morning Eric.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I have been playing around with plastic gearing for the Legacy. But I 
>> have been looking at the other end of the gear linkage.  
>>
>> The drive gears are much smaller tooth design,  I see no real reason why 
>> they too can not be made out of plastic's? 
>>
>> In the past, we have had a few people cut out gears for the group on a 
>> laser, out of metal. (but sadly these people no longer have access to the 
>> equipment, do this any more.) 
>>
>> I have DFX files for the gears that I have been making to match up with 
>> Legacy's indexing gears, If you like I can forward those to you, or If you 
>> like I can do some more trial and error and see if I can make these drive 
>> gear first, To see how they work. Its up to you. 
>>
>> I am in the process of making a new attachment for the Legacy, I am 
>> cutting out gears out of Plexiglas and Acrylic for this attachment. So it 
>> really isn't that big of a deal for my to add a 1/4" square in the middle 
>> of the gear, For me the biggest factor is trying to find the correct size 
>> of gear to make the pitches yo