Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

[Tom Dotta]

Hey Bill Thanks for the rail tip.  I'll bet a lot of guys as well as
myself will be checking their rail orientation today.  CheersTom D

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 5:57 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I am glad that I could help.  ;-)
>
> I too started with wood turning.  Over the years ,I find people think I
> joking when I say the hardest part of turning a spindle is to make
> something straight and round. beads and coves are the easy part.  (the
> Legacy makes my short comings much easier. ) ;-). a round dowel is hard to
> do free hand.
>
> One of my favorite TV shows was MASH. In one. Frank and "Hot Lips" were
> talking to a Korean  wood carver.  He said this is my master piece. Frank
> said it looks like a 2"x 4". The Korean said Thank you, it was round this
> morning.. ;-)
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, January 27, 2019, 5:40:47 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Curt, that is really helpful.  As a turner I understand it completely.
> Haven't used a router much so didn't know about the direction.
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 1:56 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello again Chris.
>
> One more note, along the router rotation, when cutting and you need a
> clean cut edge, with no tare-out.
>
> When cutting from the Head-stock side of your legacy, you cut form the
> back side to the center line, When cutting form the tail-stock end, you
> need to cut form the front side the center.
> I hope this is not confusing? try it. If you cut form the back side of the
> spindle, the starting cut will be clean, but when  you get the end (tail
> stock) the router will lift up the wood and tare out the grain making a
> very bad edge.   So when I need a clean edge on the ends of my spindles, I
> make sure that the cuts are made in the correct direction, to get the best
> looking edge.
> Sorta like when cutting on the lathe, if you cut up hill the wood can tare
> out.  the router action is very much the same way/thing.
>
> I hope this helps?
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 11:53:53 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Curt, that is really helpful!
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:49 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:
>
> Using the gears will always leave a small blemish/ridge on your turnings.
> the speed of travel with the gears is to slow (rpm of the wood turning,to
> the carriage movement.)
> You can always sand (as Mike suggested.) or speed up the rpm of the wood
> turning.(or the opposite, slow down the carriages movement.)
> I can think of a number of different ways to do this.   The RPM of the
> wood needs to be speed up some. appx. 80-100 rpm gives you a very nice
> finish.
>
> Try this ..  turn the wood with the hand crank, and use the drive motor to
> move the carriage. 80 rpm is pretty slow, what you want is 2-3 rotations
> per movement of the router. I think you will find a big difference in cut
> quality.
>
> At one time I had suggested to mount a bike chain to the indexing plate to
> control the spindle's rotation.(human power,)( better to peddle then crank
> by hand !.)  today I use a second motor to turn my spindles when roughing
> or turning .
>
> The info on Climb milling vs undercutting is a good topic that also needs
> to be understood when playing with this type of turning.[image: Inline
> image]
> .
> talk to you more, latter.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 9:26:21 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> To answer C.A.G. I am using the motor to turn the gears.
>
> Think I got it 99% fixed.
>
> Took out the router, cleaned up everything, put it back together and made
> sure everything was level.  Next I tightened the tailstock a little. Played
> around with the Y axis until you can't see the ridges and can feel just the
> slightest ridge that I should be able to sand out. Yeah!
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:
>
> Hello Chris.
> are you using the gears to drive the carriage/ router? or are you turning
> free hand? (hand cranking.)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 1:19:56 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some dry
> 2x2 Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank round
> but still have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust the
> Y axis forward or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate
> the ridges. Am I doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?
>
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Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 I am glad that I could help.  ;-)
I too started with wood turning.  Over the years ,I find people think I joking 
when I say the hardest part of turning a spindle is to make something straight 
and round. beads and coves are the easy part.  (the Legacy makes my short 
comings much easier. ) ;-). a round dowel is hard to do free hand.
One of my favorite TV shows was MASH. In one. Frank and "Hot Lips" were talking 
to a Korean  wood carver.  He said this is my master piece. Frank said it looks 
like a 2"x 4". The Korean said Thank you, it was round this morning.. ;-)  
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, January 27, 2019, 5:40:47 PM EST, Chris Smith 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt, that is really helpful.  As a turner I understand it completely.  
Haven't used a router much so didn't know about the direction.Thanks!!



On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 1:56 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

 Hello again Chris.
One more note, along the router rotation, when cutting and you need a clean cut 
edge, with no tare-out. 
When cutting from the Head-stock side of your legacy, you cut form the back 
side to the center line, When cutting form the tail-stock end, you need to cut 
form the front side the center.I hope this is not confusing? try it. If you cut 
form the back side of the spindle, the starting cut will be clean, but when  
you get the end (tail stock) the router will lift up the wood and tare out the 
grain making a very bad edge.   So when I need a clean edge on the ends of my 
spindles, I make sure that the cuts are made in the correct direction, to get 
the best looking edge.Sorta like when cutting on the lathe, if you cut up hill 
the wood can tare out.  the router action is very much the same way/thing.
I hope this helps?
Have a good day.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 11:53:53 PM EST, Chris Smith 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks Curt, that is really helpful!

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:49 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:  
 
 To answer C.A.G. I am using the motor to turn the gears. 
Think I got it 99% fixed. 
Took out the router, cleaned up everything, put it back together and made sure 
everything was level.  Next I tightened the tailstock a little. Played around 
with the Y axis until you can't see the ridges and can feel just the slightest 
ridge that I should be able to sand out. Yeah!
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some dry 2x2 
Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank round but still 
have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust the Y axis forward 
or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate the ridges. Am I 
doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?

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Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

[Chris Smith]

Curt, that is really helpful.  As a turner I understand it completely.
Haven't used a router much so didn't know about the direction.
Thanks!!




On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 1:56 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello again Chris.
>
> One more note, along the router rotation, when cutting and you need a
> clean cut edge, with no tare-out.
>
> When cutting from the Head-stock side of your legacy, you cut form the
> back side to the center line, When cutting form the tail-stock end, you
> need to cut form the front side the center.
> I hope this is not confusing? try it. If you cut form the back side of the
> spindle, the starting cut will be clean, but when  you get the end (tail
> stock) the router will lift up the wood and tare out the grain making a
> very bad edge.   So when I need a clean edge on the ends of my spindles, I
> make sure that the cuts are made in the correct direction, to get the best
> looking edge.
> Sorta like when cutting on the lathe, if you cut up hill the wood can tare
> out.  the router action is very much the same way/thing.
>
> I hope this helps?
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 11:53:53 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Curt, that is really helpful!
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:49 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:
>
> Using the gears will always leave a small blemish/ridge on your turnings.
> the speed of travel with the gears is to slow (rpm of the wood turning,to
> the carriage movement.)
> You can always sand (as Mike suggested.) or speed up the rpm of the wood
> turning.(or the opposite, slow down the carriages movement.)
> I can think of a number of different ways to do this.   The RPM of the
> wood needs to be speed up some. appx. 80-100 rpm gives you a very nice
> finish.
>
> Try this ..  turn the wood with the hand crank, and use the drive motor to
> move the carriage. 80 rpm is pretty slow, what you want is 2-3 rotations
> per movement of the router. I think you will find a big difference in cut
> quality.
>
> At one time I had suggested to mount a bike chain to the indexing plate to
> control the spindle's rotation.(human power,)( better to peddle then crank
> by hand !.)  today I use a second motor to turn my spindles when roughing
> or turning .
>
> The info on Climb milling vs undercutting is a good topic that also needs
> to be understood when playing with this type of turning.[image: Inline
> image]
> .
> talk to you more, latter.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 9:26:21 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> To answer C.A.G. I am using the motor to turn the gears.
>
> Think I got it 99% fixed.
>
> Took out the router, cleaned up everything, put it back together and made
> sure everything was level.  Next I tightened the tailstock a little. Played
> around with the Y axis until you can't see the ridges and can feel just the
> slightest ridge that I should be able to sand out. Yeah!
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:
>
> Hello Chris.
> are you using the gears to drive the carriage/ router? or are you turning
> free hand? (hand cranking.)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 1:19:56 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some dry
> 2x2 Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank round
> but still have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust the
> Y axis forward or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate
> the ridges. Am I doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?
>
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Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Hello again Chris.
One more note, along the router rotation, when cutting and you need a clean cut 
edge, with no tare-out. 
When cutting from the Head-stock side of your legacy, you cut form the back 
side to the center line, When cutting form the tail-stock end, you need to cut 
form the front side the center.I hope this is not confusing? try it. If you cut 
form the back side of the spindle, the starting cut will be clean, but when  
you get the end (tail stock) the router will lift up the wood and tare out the 
grain making a very bad edge.   So when I need a clean edge on the ends of my 
spindles, I make sure that the cuts are made in the correct direction, to get 
the best looking edge.Sorta like when cutting on the lathe, if you cut up hill 
the wood can tare out.  the router action is very much the same way/thing.
I hope this helps?
Have a good day.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 11:53:53 PM EST, Chris Smith 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks Curt, that is really helpful!

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:49 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:  
 
 To answer C.A.G. I am using the motor to turn the gears. 
Think I got it 99% fixed. 
Took out the router, cleaned up everything, put it back together and made sure 
everything was level.  Next I tightened the tailstock a little. Played around 
with the Y axis until you can't see the ridges and can feel just the slightest 
ridge that I should be able to sand out. Yeah!
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some dry 2x2 
Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank round but still 
have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust the Y axis forward 
or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate the ridges. Am I 
doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?

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Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

[Chris Smith]

To answer C.A.G. I am using the motor to turn the gears.

Think I got it 99% fixed.

Took out the router, cleaned up everything, put it back together and made
sure everything was level.  Next I tightened the tailstock a little. Played
around with the Y axis until you can't see the ridges and can feel just the
slightest ridge that I should be able to sand out. Yeah!

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com wrote:

> Hello Chris.
> are you using the gears to drive the carriage/ router? or are you turning
> free hand? (hand cranking.)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 1:19:56 PM EST, Chris Smith <
> smithin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some dry
> 2x2 Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank round
> but still have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust the
> Y axis forward or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate
> the ridges. Am I doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?
>
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Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Hello Chris.are you using the gears to drive the carriage/ router? or are you 
turning free hand? (hand cranking.)
C.A.G. 
On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 1:19:56 PM EST, Chris Smith 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some dry 2x2 
Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank round but still 
have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust the Y axis forward 
or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate the ridges. Am I 
doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?

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Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

[Chris Smith]

Thanks to all for the advice.  Love getting such quick responses!!

I am using the Magnate 2704 Bottom Cleaning bit (brand new) so expected a 
pretty smooth cut.  The rails look OK.  I'm suspecting the router might 
have shifted slightly during the move to my shop.  Think I'll try 
dis-assembling it and re-assembling it, checking how level it is.

I'll keep you posted on the results.
Thanks to you all.
CS

On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 10:19:54 AM UTC-8, Chris Smith wrote:
>
> I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some dry 
> 2x2 Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank round 
> but still have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust the 
> Y axis forward or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate 
> the ridges. Am I doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?
>

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RE: How do I smooth out the cut?

[Bill Bulkeley]

Feed rate too, slower can give a better finish if all the other stuff mentioned 
is right.. magnates flat bottom bits are the only ones that produce a nice 
finish i have found, they are designed for the legacy to do just that.

 

Another thing worth checking if your mill has aluminium rails make sure they 
are all the correct way up they might look the same but it does make a 
difference if one is one way up and another is the wrong way up

with the cross slide the wide part of the rail the little groove or score mark 
in the middle that runs the entire length of the rail

faces up on both rails and on the outer long rails it faces out away from the 
mill at the front and out at the back. So many owners make this mistake when 
assembling their mills. 

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

 

One thing to look at will be the levelness of the router.  If the router is not 
parallel to the rails and is higher on one side it will leave a ridge.  It 
could be as simple as sawdust under the y axis plate.   Otherwise, open the 
split nut and get the carriage out of the way.  Rotate the work with the gears 
and use a palm sander as it rotates.  

Mike OK

 

 

 

On 1/26/2019 2:04 PM, Tim Krause wrote:

Which router bit are you using?  Is it a magnate flat bottom?

On Jan 26, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Chris Smith  wrote: 

I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some dry 2x2 
Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank round but still 
have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust the Y axis forward 
or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate the ridges. Am I 
doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?

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Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

[Okla Mike (Liltwisted)]

One thing to look at will be the levelness of the router.  If the router 
is not parallel to the rails and is higher on one side it will leave a 
ridge.  It could be as simple as sawdust under the y axis plate.   
Otherwise, open the split nut and get the carriage out of the way.  
Rotate the work with the gears and use a palm sander as it rotates.


Mike OK




On 1/26/2019 2:04 PM, Tim Krause wrote:

Which router bit are you using?  Is it a magnate flat bottom?
On Jan 26, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Chris Smith > wrote:


I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on
some dry 2x2 Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get
the blank round but still have small ridges.  I've followed the
instructions to adjust the Y axis forward or back which improves
it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate the ridges. Am I doing
something wrong or will I need to sand them out?

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Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

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Which router bit are you using?  Is it a magnate flat bottom?

On Jan 26, 2019, 10:19 AM, at 10:19 AM, Chris Smith  
wrote:
>I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some
>dry 
>2x2 Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank
>round 
>but still have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust
>the 
>Y axis forward or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't
>eliminate 
>the ridges. Am I doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?
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How do I smooth out the cut?

[Chris Smith]

I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some dry 
2x2 Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank round 
but still have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust the 
Y axis forward or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't eliminate 
the ridges. Am I doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?

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