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RE: clamps

2020-05-21 Thread M.W.Foscue

Guys,Yes, I found the video very interesting.  Nowadays, when you see a video of a mill machining something, it is in an enclosure with coolant spraying everywhere inside.  Consequently, you can't see the milling process like we could in your video.I enjoyed watching it - THANKS for sharing it.Mac-Original Message-
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Be too curt back in my day on millers and metal shapers. It shows everyone how they are made I thought every one might like to see BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Thursday, 21 May 2020 11:59 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: clamps The you-tube video is Awesome...  either was the original designer, I dont who made them first, but it wasnt either comp.   We had those clamps when I went to trade school back in the 80's. C.A.G. On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 06:44:49 AM EDT, artmarb...@comcast.net <artmarb...@comcast.net> wrote:   I hope you mean this as a joke? Both examples are copying a version of what is known as a “Toe Clamp” taken from the machinist folks.  They are just another tool to be able to hold items down low to machine off the top surface.  In my humble opinion, Legacy’s looks inspired from a vise stop. That is  small clamp that you clip on a kurt style vice to be able to relocate a part once moved from out of the vise.  It might even been inspired by a “rule-stop” designed to clip onto rulers.  So I’m going with you’re just trying to kick up some new chat! Look up Harold Hall and “low profile clamp” and get inspired. -Tim From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.auSent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:35 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: clamps https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/707135578975107401/  now did this guy copy legacy or did legacy copy this guy ? or perhaps just coincidental  Bill

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RE: clamps

2020-05-21 Thread bulkeley

Be too curt back in my day on millers and metal shapers. It shows everyone how 
they are made I thought every one might like to see

 

Bill

 

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The you-tube video is Awesome...  either was the original designer, I dont who 
made them first, but it wasnt either comp.   We had those clamps when I went to 
trade school back in the 80's.

 

C.A.G.

 

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I hope you mean this as a joke? Both examples are copying a version of what is 
known as a “Toe Clamp” taken from the machinist folks.  They are just another 
tool to be able to hold items down low to machine off the top surface. 

 

In my humble opinion, Legacy’s looks inspired from a vise stop. That is  small 
clamp that you clip on a kurt style vice to be able to relocate a part once 
moved from out of the vise. 

 

It might even been inspired by a “rule-stop” designed to clip onto rulers. 

 

So I’m going with you’re just trying to kick up some new chat!

 

Look up Harold Hall and “low profile clamp” and get inspired.

 

-Tim

 

 

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https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/707135578975107401/

 



 

now did this guy copy legacy or did legacy copy this guy ? or perhaps just 
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Re: clamps

2020-05-21 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 The you-tube video is Awesome...  either was the original designer, I dont who 
made them first, but it wasnt either comp.   We had those clamps when I went to 
trade school back in the 80's.
C.A.G.
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I hope you mean this as a joke? Both examples are copying a version of what is 
known as a “Toe Clamp” taken from the machinist folks.  They are just another 
tool to be able to hold items down low to machine off the top surface. 

  

In my humble opinion, Legacy’s looks inspired from a vise stop. That is  small 
clamp that you clip on a kurt style vice to be able to relocate a part once 
moved from out of the vise. 

  

It might even been inspired by a “rule-stop” designed to clip onto rulers. 

  

So I’m going with you’re just trying to kick up some new chat!

  

Look up Harold Hall and “low profile clamp” and get inspired.

  

-Tim

  

  

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https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/707135578975107401/

  



  

now did this guy copy legacy or did legacy copy this guy ? or perhaps just 
coincidental 

  

Bill

  

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RE: clamps

2020-05-21 Thread artmarbles

I hope you mean this as a joke? Both examples are copying a version of what is 
known as a “Toe Clamp” taken from the machinist folks.  They are just another 
tool to be able to hold items down low to machine off the top surface. 

 

In my humble opinion, Legacy’s looks inspired from a vise stop. That is  small 
clamp that you clip on a kurt style vice to be able to relocate a part once 
moved from out of the vise. 

 

It might even been inspired by a “rule-stop” designed to clip onto rulers. 

 

So I’m going with you’re just trying to kick up some new chat!

 

Look up Harold Hall and “low profile clamp” and get inspired.

 

-Tim

 

 

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Re: clamps

2011-01-23 Thread curt george

Thanks Bill 
those are neat, and the price looks pretty good as well.
C.A.G.
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  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:09 PM
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  going back over some recent but older emails I missed this one sorry curt
  to answer your question 
  http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?cat=51p=64685

  Bill
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Subject: Re: clamps


Hay those are nice!
What is the cost?
Thanks for the heads up. I realy like those cam clamps. 
Thanks.

C.A.G.
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  Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:35 PM
  Subject: clamps


  I was surfing the net last night and came across these might be useful on 
the legacy what do you guys think I'm not sure if any one has found these 
before or not but have another look and tell me what you all think
  http://www.veritastools.com/Products/Page.aspx?p=512

  Bill

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Re: clamps

2011-01-20 Thread Bill Bulkeley

sounds like a good idea I will look forward to the pics 
Bill
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  From: curt george 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:22 AM
  Subject: Re: clamps

  Hello everyone.
  Bill I do like those cam clamps but Tim is correct you DO loose a lot of room 
using those kind of clamps, (even Legacy's cam clamps) 
  Because of this reason, I like to use a wedge clamping type of hold 
downs,when Im working on my flat work on the Legacy. 
  Its realy very simple to make and use. 
  Just glue and screw down a wooden straight edge on one side of your flat bed.
  then drill a number of holes for an adjustable edge,(like you would do for a 
bench dog.) and make another rail that can fit into the holes that you just 
made.
  The over all goal is to get the two rails close enough to the work piece, so 
that you can use a sets of wooden shims to wedge the work piece in place. 
  I've made two different types of of this method over the years.
  One uses two groves, so the straight edge can slide into place before 
wedging. and the other uses an old band saw blade re-set into both edges to the 
wood rails. the saw blade teeth are going to opposite directions so the wood is 
not only wedged into place but the teeth also hold the wood firmly.

  I will see if I can find pictures of these board set ups.
  But I need to go now.
  have a good night.

  C.A.G.
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From: Tim Krause 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: clamps

You would loose some table capacity because the cam clamps take over an 
inch of material to mount in.  They are pretty low profile. 

-Tim
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  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 4:35 PM
  Subject: clamps

  I was surfing the net last night and came across these might be useful on 
the legacy what do you guys think I'm not sure if any one has found these 
before or not but have another look and tell me what you all think
  http://www.veritastools.com/Products/Page.aspx?p=512

  Bill

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Re: clamps

2011-01-20 Thread Bill Bulkeley

I agree I think the bandsaw blade idea would work if you trim the work later or 
glue a border on
I'm imagining the blades are glued in in some way .
but they sure would dig in and hold the work
Bill
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  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:49 AM
  Subject: Re: clamps

  I tried adding sandpaper to some slotted mdf brackets used to hold wood, and 
the work had a tendency to still lift out.  The block where too simple they did 
nothing to address holding the part down, only sideways pressure to hold the 
wood from sliding during the cut.  

  I'd like to know how the band saw blade was held as well.  You could leave an 
extra 1/8 where the blade dents the wood and just trim it off.  I guess the 
damage depends on the aggressiveness of the blade.  How about using a hacksaw 
blade.  Those have holes on each and of the blade that can be pinned or 
screwed.  Those would not leave much damage and probably have some pretty good 
grip.  I'd be tempted to try that, and when you make the cut for the saw blade, 
add a 5º downward tilt so the work is being driven down when the worked is 
clamped.  That would be my two cents worth.

  -Tim

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From: Bill Bulkeley 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: clamps

very interesting curt thank you I understand now how it works. your other 
idea with the pieces of bandsaw blade how does that go with leaving marks in 
the job edges and how do you hold the blades from moving in the reset slot or 
do they hold ok instead of bandsaw blades how would sand paper go glued to the 
edge of the rails

Bill
  - Original Message - 
  From: curt george 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:50 AM
  Subject: Re: clamps

  Bill at this time I can only find a few pictures of only one table. I 
will try to find more latter.

  C.A.G.
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From: Bill Bulkeley 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: clamps

sounds like a good idea I will look forward to the pics 
Bill
  - Original Message - 
  From: curt george 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:22 AM
  Subject: Re: clamps

  Hello everyone.
  Bill I do like those cam clamps but Tim is correct you DO loose a lot 
of room using those kind of clamps, (even Legacy's cam clamps) 
  Because of this reason, I like to use a wedge clamping type of hold 
downs,when Im working on my flat work on the Legacy. 
  Its realy very simple to make and use. 
  Just glue and screw down a wooden straight edge on one side of your 
flat bed.
  then drill a number of holes for an adjustable edge,(like you would 
do for a bench dog.) and make another rail that can fit into the holes that you 
just made.
  The over all goal is to get the two rails close enough to the work 
piece, so that you can use a sets of wooden shims to wedge the work piece in 
place. 
  I've made two different types of of this method over the years.
  One uses two groves, so the straight edge can slide into place before 
wedging. and the other uses an old band saw blade re-set into both edges to the 
wood rails. the saw blade teeth are going to opposite directions so the wood is 
not only wedged into place but the teeth also hold the wood firmly.

  I will see if I can find pictures of these board set ups.
  But I need to go now.
  have a good night.

  C.A.G.
- Original Message - 
From: Tim Krause 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: clamps

You would loose some table capacity because the cam clamps take 
over an inch of material to mount in.  They are pretty low profile. 

-Tim
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Bulkeley 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 4:35 PM
  Subject: clamps

  I was surfing the net last night and came across these might be 
useful on the legacy what do you guys think I'm not sure if any one has found 
these before or not but have another look and tell me what you all think
  http://www.veritastools.com/Products/Page.aspx?p=512

  Bill

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Re: clamps

2011-01-20 Thread curt george

HI guys!
Bill the saw blades have not ever slipped on me yet. the teeth hold the wood 
very nicely, On rough wood you cant even see the marks, on finished wood just a 
light sanding is needed. the saw blade is only pushed against the wood giving 
you some 13 (or so?) small bits per inch. all you need is firm set to hold the 
wood.(real pressure isn't needed to hold the wood in place,the teeth don't 
realy go very deep in the wood, there is just lots of them,giving you a very 
good grip.)
The saw blade is help into the rails by wedging the blade in its grove with 
brad nails and wood shims.(The wood shims were also glued in place,but no glue 
was put on the steel blade.) I don't remember nailing the wood through the 
blade? I Think its a good idea, but I don't remember if I did that or not. (I 
can go out in the garage tomorrow and real look and see.)
Tim I don't think that a hack saw blade has enough holding power? I don't know 
for sure. But I do know this set up has never slipped on me.

Sand paper hasn't realy worked out to well for me.(I've had more than a few 
slips.)
HOT Glue also works well for me in the past.
And using wood wedges has also worked well for me.
Also I dropped the Legacy screw blocks that slide in the rails. I like to use a 
3/4 piece of plywood in the inside grove of the rail. (Like the picture I last 
sent.) a thumb screw or handle is all that is realy needed to hold the wood 
platform down on the rails of the Legacy, I also made a glove in the edge of 
the wood and added a wood rail onto it. this rail holds the wood inside the 
slot in the top part of the Alum. rail, This keeps the wood straight and square 
to the table. 


Hay another idea that someone once posted, was to use peg board glued up 
together. and then making there own cam clamps out of a flat on a bolt wedged 
up to the wood and then turned slightly to clamp the wood in place. I've not 
done this before but I sounds like it would work. 

Have a good night all.
talk to you latter.
C.A.G.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Bulkeley 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:34 PM
  Subject: Re: clamps


  very interesting curt thank you I understand now how it works. your other 
idea with the pieces of bandsaw blade how does that go with leaving marks in 
the job edges and how do you hold the blades from moving in the reset slot or 
do they hold ok instead of bandsaw blades how would sand paper go glued to the 
edge of the rails

  Bill
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From: curt george 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: clamps


Bill at this time I can only find a few pictures of only one table. I will 
try to find more latter.

C.A.G.
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  From: Bill Bulkeley 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: clamps


  sounds like a good idea I will look forward to the pics 
  Bill
- Original Message - 
From: curt george 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: clamps


Hello everyone.
Bill I do like those cam clamps but Tim is correct you DO loose a lot 
of room using those kind of clamps, (even Legacy's cam clamps) 
Because of this reason, I like to use a wedge clamping type of hold 
downs,when Im working on my flat work on the Legacy. 
Its realy very simple to make and use. 
Just glue and screw down a wooden straight edge on one side of your 
flat bed.
then drill a number of holes for an adjustable edge,(like you would do 
for a bench dog.) and make another rail that can fit into the holes that you 
just made.
The over all goal is to get the two rails close enough to the work 
piece, so that you can use a sets of wooden shims to wedge the work piece in 
place. 
I've made two different types of of this method over the years.
One uses two groves, so the straight edge can slide into place before 
wedging. and the other uses an old band saw blade re-set into both edges to the 
wood rails. the saw blade teeth are going to opposite directions so the wood is 
not only wedged into place but the teeth also hold the wood firmly.

I will see if I can find pictures of these board set ups.
But I need to go now.
have a good night.

C.A.G.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Krause 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:30 PM
  Subject: Re: clamps


  You would loose some table capacity because the cam clamps take over 
an inch of material to mount in.  They are pretty low profile. 

  -Tim
- Original Message - 
From: Bill

RE: clamps

2011-01-19 Thread Gary Moshofsky

You could double thick the 3/4 MDF just in the area between the rails. That
would allow enough material to insertt the clamps into a 
sufficiently deep hole while still having the MDF's top surface at the usual
level. The extra MDF glued on the bottom might even make the structure more
rigid.

  _  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:30 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: clamps


You would loose some table capacity because the cam clamps take over an inch
of material to mount in.  They are pretty low profile. 
 
-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: Bill  mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au Bulkeley 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 4:35 PM
Subject: clamps

I was surfing the net last night and came across these might be useful on
the legacy what do you guys think I'm not sure if any one has found these
before or not but have another look and tell me what you all think
http://www.veritastools.com/Products/Page.aspx?p=512
 
Bill



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Re: clamps

2011-01-19 Thread curt george

Hello everyone.
Bill I do like those cam clamps but Tim is correct you DO loose a lot of room 
using those kind of clamps, (even Legacy's cam clamps) 
Because of this reason, I like to use a wedge clamping type of hold downs,when 
Im working on my flat work on the Legacy. 
Its realy very simple to make and use. 
Just glue and screw down a wooden straight edge on one side of your flat bed.
then drill a number of holes for an adjustable edge,(like you would do for a 
bench dog.) and make another rail that can fit into the holes that you just 
made.
The over all goal is to get the two rails close enough to the work piece, so 
that you can use a sets of wooden shims to wedge the work piece in place. 
I've made two different types of of this method over the years.
One uses two groves, so the straight edge can slide into place before wedging. 
and the other uses an old band saw blade re-set into both edges to the wood 
rails. the saw blade teeth are going to opposite directions so the wood is not 
only wedged into place but the teeth also hold the wood firmly.

I will see if I can find pictures of these board set ups.
But I need to go now.
have a good night.

C.A.G.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Krause 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:30 PM
  Subject: Re: clamps


  You would loose some table capacity because the cam clamps take over an inch 
of material to mount in.  They are pretty low profile. 

  -Tim
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Bulkeley 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 4:35 PM
Subject: clamps


I was surfing the net last night and came across these might be useful on 
the legacy what do you guys think I'm not sure if any one has found these 
before or not but have another look and tell me what you all think
http://www.veritastools.com/Products/Page.aspx?p=512

Bill

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