Re: Re: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-19 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Hello and Good morning everyone. Thank you Joe for your views on this topic. I 
like the Shop Smith duplicator, like you said "to get into all the  "nooks" and 
"crannies",  I  like to think of it like this, you can Attack the wood at the 
proper angles to get the best results.The other two stiles that I have used I 
was not happy with. They both worked on the Vega design.   I like the idea of 
having a copier on the back side of the machine it sounds to be like the 
best of both worlds.
But if you can get back to the template follower on the Legacy, It is not 
exactly the same thing. AND I think of it in this way. IT IS NOT MADE to do the 
same things, as a lathe copier. "Apples and Oranges" if you like..? The 
Legacy's template follower can do some very Neat things, but it is not made or 
should you look at it to do that same job as the lathe copier would... other 
wise I think you will be disappointed if you expect one thing and then get the 
other.
I have to run nowhave a good day everyone.C.A.G. 

On Monday, February 19, 2018 10:25 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:
 

 Hi CurtWhen I sent my last  message on the topic I had't read Mike's response. 
Undercutting can be done on the SS
but would require rotation of the router about the B axis.
RegardsRon
In a message dated 2/18/2018 12:19:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes:

Hello RonI like the idea. And cant wait to see what you come up with...Please 
take lots of pictures.
C.A.G.

 On Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:20 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:


Hi CurtSorry for getting back to you so late. I have been very busy and it 
doesn't take much at 83. I was thinking of making "L" brackets mounted to the 
top back rails.The brackets would have a slot in them for a sliding metal plate 
with a threaded hole. A screw with a pointed end would thread into the hole in 
the metal plate. This screw would be used to install the original turning. This 
is much like the template holder for the Shop Smith duplicator turnings. 
Alignment procedures would be the same for each. Large turnings can be done by 
the follower being pushed against the template on the near side and cutting 
would be on the near side of the turning.
Regards,Ron
Hello Ronaldusing the original is not as easy as you would think on the Legacy, 
the brackets are made to hold flat templates. If you could mount the original 
idiom on the brackets, then you are also limited as for spacing/ clearance of 
the follower.
ONE other benefit of  using my suggested method is locating or positioning the 
work. If you mount the template/ board, in such a way it only can be mounted in 
that position after tracing out the pattern, it would much easier to re-align, 
in the future...
I use my Shop Smith duplicator a lot, for rough turnings, and then The Legacy 
to do the finals depending on what I  want to make. but ... When there is a 
will there is always a way. I believe that no one machine is its own in 
all-be-all , do everything machine.  EVERYTHING has its purpose and its place. 
AND Its just up to us, to figure out what that place is??? ;-)
I got to run.
Have a good day.C.A.G.

 On Sunday, February 4, 2018 7:54 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:


Hi CurtWhy not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set 
of brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop 
Smith duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm.
Ron (the math guy)
In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes:

Hello Everyone.an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.)  I have 
not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe.
The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to 
produce template that you can reproduce.
If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then 
set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on 
the template holder.If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball 
bearing guide on it.)  You can trace the turning.Now all that you need to do it 
, put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild 
normally is placed.)When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the 
follower (with the marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the 
marker's out-line of  your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, 
and then re-mount the template in your original location, to make copy/ 
re-production of the spindle.
Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you 
can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make 
more...
The Legacy's template

Re: Re: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-19 Thread 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Hi Curt
When I sent my last  message on the topic I had't read Mike's response. 
Undercutting can be done on the SS 
but would require rotation of the router about the B axis. 
Regards
Ron
 
In a message dated 2/18/2018 12:19:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes:
 
Hello Ron
I like the idea. And cant wait to see what you come up with...
Please take lots of pictures.
 
C.A.G.



 On Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:20 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:



Hi Curt
Sorry for getting back to you so late. I have been very busy and it doesn't 
take much at 83. I was thinking of making "L" brackets mounted to the top back 
rails.The brackets would have a slot in them for a sliding metal plate with a 
threaded hole. A screw with a pointed end would thread into the hole in the 
metal plate. This screw would be used to install the original turning. This is 
much like the template holder for the Shop Smith duplicator turnings. Alignment 
procedures would be the same for each. Large turnings can be done by the 
follower being pushed against the template on the near side and cutting would 
be on the near side of the turning.

Regards,
Ron
Hello Ronald
using the original is not as easy as you would think on the Legacy, the 
brackets are made to hold flat templates. If you could mount the original idiom 
on the brackets, then you are also limited as for spacing/ clearance of the 
follower.
 
ONE other benefit of  using my suggested method is locating or positioning the 
work. If you mount the template/ board, in such a way it only can be mounted in 
that position after tracing out the pattern, it would much easier to re-align, 
in the future...
 
I use my Shop Smith duplicator a lot, for rough turnings, and then The Legacy 
to do the finals depending on what I  want to make. but ... When there is a 
will there is always a way. I believe that no one machine is its own in 
all-be-all , do everything machine.  EVERYTHING has its purpose and its place. 
AND Its just up to us, to figure out what that place is??? ;-)

I got to run.
 
Have a good day.
C.A.G.



 On Sunday, February 4, 2018 7:54 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:



Hi Curt
Why not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set of 
brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop Smith 
duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm.

Ron (the math guy)
 
In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, legacy-ornamental-
mi...@googlegroups.com writes:
 
Hello Everyone.
an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.)  I have not done this 
on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe.
 
The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to 
produce template that you can reproduce.
 
If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then 
set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on 
the template holder.
If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.)  
You can trace the turning.
Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's 
follower (where the guild normally is placed.)
When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the follower (with the 
marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the marker's out-line 
of  your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, and then re-mount 
the template in your original location, to make copy/ re-production of the 
spindle.
 
Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you 
can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make 
more...
 
The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just 
re-producing from start to finish idioms.
The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it can be used as one.
 
I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a 
thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip and 
under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I have made over the last 
few weekends)
 
Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in this video 
they used a template to make a number of different idioms by using the follower.
 
The sky is the limit.
 
By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever dreamed of.
 
What do you all think? any and all comments are (as always) Welcome.
 
C.A.G.
 
 
 
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Re: Re: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-19 Thread 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
good morning gentlemen!...a couple of comments on templates and copying... 
we do quite a bit of multiples in our shop, mostly 4, 6, and 8...extremely 
rare if we do more than that of any one piece... over the years we have 
tried and used a few different types of copiers, all on our lathe, not the 
legacy... beginning with a sears copier that is very much like the shop 
smith setup... we found this to be somewhat advantageous, as you could 
position the cutter/follower in different orientations to get into "nooks" 
and "crannies", so to speak... we even would change the profile of the 
cutter and follower to a pointed shape(rather than the rounded shape) to 
clean up all the "steps", rather than using a turning chisel after the 
copying was done... the advantage to doing this copy work on a lathe is the 
speed you could run the spindle/work, and thus finish with a very clean 
piece needing very little sanding... the disadvantage was that it could(and 
did!) get to be a bit dangerous at times, depending on what type of wood 
you were working with, what profile you were trying to do, etcalso. 
having to remove the copier and reattach it numerous times, was a bit 
awkward and tedious...we then switched to the vega copier, for several 
reasons...first, we were able to get it 10 ft. long to suit our lathe and 
our jobs(mostly bed posts)...second, it was of the type that works as a 
sliding carriage which, once mounted, is very rigid... one hand moves the 
carriage left and right, the other moves the cutter in and out... with very 
little practice, excellent results can be achieved, and it was very safe to 
operate...third was the fact that we could mount the copier on the backside 
of the lathe permanently, without it effecting the capacity of the what the 
lathe could turn in regards to diameter...so we would do a copy, and 
without turning off the machine, go to the front and immediately do any 
touch ups with our turning chisels...when copying spindles, finials, etc. 
on the legacy, you need a long cutter to extend down from the router 
collet, to be able to reach down to the center line ( 3 o'clock or 9 
o'clock position)...probably the smallest you would want to go is a 3/8 in. 
diameter bit, and even then, that diameter could be dangerous...1/2 in. is 
the safest way to go... and getting into details of a piece with that 
diameter bit is impossible... cleaning up the details with different router 
bits is also tedious, but if time is not a factor, certainly doable on the 
legacy...in regards to templates, our approach was if we needed a thin, 
flat pattern of what we were making, we simply cut a "slice" from the first 
piece that we made by hand(no template) on the lathe...this slice was cut 
from the center of the turning we made, usually 3/8 in to 1/2 in thick... 
yes, it did "ruin" our first, hand-turned piece, but we were keeping that 
piece anyway, for our template "library", and the cost factor was 
calculated into the job's estimate...these "flat" templates were used 
mostly for milling work into a piece after it was turned, as our vega 
duplicator could copy from a fully turned piece, and the piece was sliced 
after the turning work was done...we found this method to be fast and 
accurate, rather than make a template from plastic or wood...joe b.

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Re: Re: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-19 Thread 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Hi Curt
I agree with your point. However, I think that the Shop Smith approach, where 
the copy follower is the same shape as the cutter, goes a long way in solving 
that problem.
Regards,
Ron
 
In a message dated 2/18/2018 12:57:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes:

 
Hello again.
along the lines of what is a template follower on the Legacy, The term is 
somewhat confusing.
Most people think of the template follower as a way to make exact 
re-productions. On the Legacy
I find this view is not exactly accurate, the template follower is a guide, as 
far as I see it.
It is great for detail work where a  router bit bearing can not be used. and 
you can keep a general
shape of an idiom using the template. 
But to use a template to make an exact copy???  "Well" may-be? but ...
 
Ive not been able to do it.  And I dont think it/ the  template follower is 
best suited for it...
 
got a run.
 
C.A.G.



 On Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:19 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:



Hello Ron
I like the idea. And cant wait to see what you come up with...
Please take lots of pictures.
 
C.A.G.



 On Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:20 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:



Hi Curt
Sorry for getting back to you so late. I have been very busy and it doesn't 
take much at 83. I was thinking of making "L" brackets mounted to the top back 
rails.The brackets would have a slot in them for a sliding metal plate with a 
threaded hole. A screw with a pointed end would thread into the hole in the 
metal plate. This screw would be used to install the original turning. This is 
much like the template holder for the Shop Smith duplicator turnings. Alignment 
procedures would be the same for each. Large turnings can be done by the 
follower being pushed against the template on the near side and cutting would 
be on the near side of the turning.

Regards,
Ron
Hello Ronald
using the original is not as easy as you would think on the Legacy, the 
brackets are made to hold flat templates. If you could mount the original idiom 
on the brackets, then you are also limited as for spacing/ clearance of the 
follower.
 
ONE other benefit of  using my suggested method is locating or positioning the 
work. If you mount the template/ board, in such a way it only can be mounted in 
that position after tracing out the pattern, it would much easier to re-align, 
in the future...
 
I use my Shop Smith duplicator a lot, for rough turnings, and then The Legacy 
to do the finals depending on what I  want to make. but ... When there is a 
will there is always a way. I believe that no one machine is its own in 
all-be-all , do everything machine.  EVERYTHING has its purpose and its place. 
AND Its just up to us, to figure out what that place is??? ;-)

I got to run.
 
Have a good day.
C.A.G.



 On Sunday, February 4, 2018 7:54 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:



Hi Curt
Why not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set of 
brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop Smith 
duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm.

Ron (the math guy)
 
In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, legacy-ornamental-
mi...@googlegroups.com writes:
 
Hello Everyone.
an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.)  I have not done this 
on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe.
 
The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to 
produce template that you can reproduce.
 
If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then 
set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on 
the template holder.
If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.)  
You can trace the turning.
Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's 
follower (where the guild normally is placed.)
When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the follower (with the 
marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the marker's out-line 
of  your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, and then re-mount 
the template in your original location, to make copy/ re-production of the 
spindle.
 
Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you 
can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make 
more...
 
The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just 
re-producing from start to finish idioms.
The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it can be used as one.
 
I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a 
thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip and 
under cut what I plan to make. (exp.

Re: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-18 Thread MWF 
Curtis,I think if you use a small pointed "Follower Tip", like the Shopsmith (SS) set-up, and an appropriately small router bit, you should be able to come very close to making an acceptable copy.  You would probably save time by using the LOM Follower set-up to create the basic shape.  Then switch over to the SS follower set-up to create the details desired to make the copy as close to the original as possible.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Feb 18, 2018 12:53 PM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

Hello again.along the lines of what is a template follower on the Legacy, The term is somewhat confusing.Most people think of the template follower as a way to make exact re-productions. On the LegacyI find this view is not exactly accurate, the template follower is a guide, as far as I see it.It is great for detail work where a  router bit bearing can not be used. and you can keep a generalshape of an idiom using the template. But to use a template to make an exact copy???  "Well" may-be? but ...Ive not been able to do it.  And I dont think it/ the  template follower is best suited for it...got a run.C.A.G. On Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:19 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:   Hello RonI like the idea. And cant wait to see what you come up with...Please take lots of pictures.C.A.G.On Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:20 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:   

Hi Curt
Sorry for getting back to you so late. I have been very busy and it doesn't take much at 83. I was thinking of making "L" brackets mounted to the top back rails.The brackets would have a slot in them for a sliding metal plate with a threaded hole. A screw with a pointed end would thread into the hole in the metal plate. This screw would be used to install the original turning. This is much like the template holder for the Shop Smith duplicator turnings. Alignment procedures would be the same for each. Large turnings can be done by the follower being pushed against the template on the near side and cutting would be on the near side of the turning.
Regards,
Ron





Hello Ronald
using the original is not as easy as you would think on the Legacy, the brackets are made to hold flat templates. If you could mount the original idiom on the brackets, then you are also limited as for spacing/ clearance of the follower.

ONE other benefit of  using my suggested method is locating or positioning the work. If you mount the template/ board, in such a way it only can be mounted in that position after tracing out the pattern, it would much easier to re-align, in the future...

I use my Shop Smith duplicator a lot, for rough turnings, and then The Legacy to do the finals depending on what I  want to make. but ... When there is a will there is always a way. I believe that no one machine is its own in all-be-all , do everything machine.  EVERYTHING has its purpose and its place. AND Its just up to us, to figure out what that place is??? ;-)
I got to run.

Have a good day.
C.A.G.



 On Sunday, February 4, 2018 7:54 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com> wrote:






Hi Curt
Why not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set of brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop Smith duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm.
Ron (the math guy)


In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com writes:






Hello Everyone.
an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.)  I have not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe.

The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to produce template that you can reproduce.

If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on the template holder.
If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.)  You can trace the turning.
Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild normally is placed.)
When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the follower (with the marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the marker's out-line of  your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, and then re-mount the template in your original location, to make copy/ re-production of the spindle.

Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you can use the s

Re: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-18 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Hello again.along the lines of what is a template follower on the Legacy, The 
term is somewhat confusing.Most people think of the template follower as a way 
to make exact re-productions. On the LegacyI find this view is not exactly 
accurate, the template follower is a guide, as far as I see it.It is great for 
detail work where a  router bit bearing can not be used. and you can keep a 
generalshape of an idiom using the template. But to use a template to make an 
exact copy???  "Well" may-be? but ...
Ive not been able to do it.  And I dont think it/ the  template follower is 
best suited for it...
got a run.
C.A.G. 

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:19 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:
 

 Hello RonI like the idea. And cant wait to see what you come up with...Please 
take lots of pictures.
C.A.G. 

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:20 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:
 

 Hi CurtSorry for getting back to you so late. I have been very busy and it 
doesn't take much at 83. I was thinking of making "L" brackets mounted to the 
top back rails.The brackets would have a slot in them for a sliding metal plate 
with a threaded hole. A screw with a pointed end would thread into the hole in 
the metal plate. This screw would be used to install the original turning. This 
is much like the template holder for the Shop Smith duplicator turnings. 
Alignment procedures would be the same for each. Large turnings can be done by 
the follower being pushed against the template on the near side and cutting 
would be on the near side of the turning.
Regards,Ron
Hello Ronaldusing the original is not as easy as you would think on the Legacy, 
the brackets are made to hold flat templates. If you could mount the original 
idiom on the brackets, then you are also limited as for spacing/ clearance of 
the follower.
ONE other benefit of  using my suggested method is locating or positioning the 
work. If you mount the template/ board, in such a way it only can be mounted in 
that position after tracing out the pattern, it would much easier to re-align, 
in the future...
I use my Shop Smith duplicator a lot, for rough turnings, and then The Legacy 
to do the finals depending on what I  want to make. but ... When there is a 
will there is always a way. I believe that no one machine is its own in 
all-be-all , do everything machine.  EVERYTHING has its purpose and its place. 
AND Its just up to us, to figure out what that place is??? ;-)
I got to run.
Have a good day.C.A.G.

 On Sunday, February 4, 2018 7:54 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:


Hi CurtWhy not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set 
of brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop 
Smith duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm.
Ron (the math guy)
In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes:

Hello Everyone.an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.)  I have 
not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe.
The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to 
produce template that you can reproduce.
If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then 
set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on 
the template holder.If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball 
bearing guide on it.)  You can trace the turning.Now all that you need to do it 
, put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild 
normally is placed.)When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the 
follower (with the marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the 
marker's out-line of  your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, 
and then re-mount the template in your original location, to make copy/ 
re-production of the spindle.
Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you 
can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make 
more...
The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just 
re-producing from start to finish idioms.The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it 
can be used as one.
I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a 
thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip and 
under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I have made over the last 
few weekends)
Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in this video 
they used a template to make a number of different idioms by using the follower.
The sky is the limit.
By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever dreamed of.
What do you all think? any and all

Re: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-18 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Hello RonI like the idea. And cant wait to see what you come up with...Please 
take lots of pictures.
C.A.G. 

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:20 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:
 

 Hi CurtSorry for getting back to you so late. I have been very busy and it 
doesn't take much at 83. I was thinking of making "L" brackets mounted to the 
top back rails.The brackets would have a slot in them for a sliding metal plate 
with a threaded hole. A screw with a pointed end would thread into the hole in 
the metal plate. This screw would be used to install the original turning. This 
is much like the template holder for the Shop Smith duplicator turnings. 
Alignment procedures would be the same for each. Large turnings can be done by 
the follower being pushed against the template on the near side and cutting 
would be on the near side of the turning.
Regards,Ron
Hello Ronaldusing the original is not as easy as you would think on the Legacy, 
the brackets are made to hold flat templates. If you could mount the original 
idiom on the brackets, then you are also limited as for spacing/ clearance of 
the follower.
ONE other benefit of  using my suggested method is locating or positioning the 
work. If you mount the template/ board, in such a way it only can be mounted in 
that position after tracing out the pattern, it would much easier to re-align, 
in the future...
I use my Shop Smith duplicator a lot, for rough turnings, and then The Legacy 
to do the finals depending on what I  want to make. but ... When there is a 
will there is always a way. I believe that no one machine is its own in 
all-be-all , do everything machine.  EVERYTHING has its purpose and its place. 
AND Its just up to us, to figure out what that place is??? ;-)
I got to run.
Have a good day.C.A.G.

 On Sunday, February 4, 2018 7:54 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:


Hi CurtWhy not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set 
of brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop 
Smith duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm.
Ron (the math guy)
In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes:

Hello Everyone.an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.)  I have 
not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe.
The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to 
produce template that you can reproduce.
If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then 
set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on 
the template holder.If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball 
bearing guide on it.)  You can trace the turning.Now all that you need to do it 
, put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild 
normally is placed.)When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the 
follower (with the marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the 
marker's out-line of  your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, 
and then re-mount the template in your original location, to make copy/ 
re-production of the spindle.
Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you 
can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make 
more...
The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just 
re-producing from start to finish idioms.The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it 
can be used as one.
I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a 
thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip and 
under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I have made over the last 
few weekends)
Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in this video 
they used a template to make a number of different idioms by using the follower.
The sky is the limit.
By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever dreamed of.
What do you all think? any and all comments are (as always) Welcome.
C.A.G.


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Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-04 Thread Tim Krause 
Further thought on this...the spring loaded pen would be easy to make for those 
that have a Revo or the updated z axis or the updated template follower for the 
900/1200/1800 models.  For those that don't know, those models use an aluminum 
block to hold a follower that had different sized dowel pins.  I don't have a 
photo handy. 

Also those with the updated template holder that is level with the outer rails 
would have to design a pen holder differently than the stock brackets used on 
the rest of the models.  This should be easy to figure out.

Tim

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On Feb 4, 2018, 10:32 PM, at 10:32 PM, Tim Krause  
wrote:
>Hi Curt,
>
>I really like this idea as a practical solution for the case of
>creating spindles  by the seat of your pants on the legacy and then
>needing to reed or cove from the side.  I'm thinking a spring loaded
>sharpie holder would work great.  It can be mounted anywhere on the
>template follower to make the pattern.  
>
>Thanks for the food for thought.
>
>Tim
>
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>On Feb 3, 2018, 4:14 PM, at 4:14 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy
>Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>>Hello Everyone.an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form
>>work.)  I have not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my
>>Lathe.
>>The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template
>>Maker to produce template that you can reproduce.
>>If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the
>>Legacy, then set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of
>>wood/hardboard/plastic) on the template holder.If you put a copying
>>router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.)  You can
>>trace the turning.Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or
>>marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild normally is
>>placed.) When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the
>>follower (with the marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you
>>with the marker's out-line of  your new template. then all you need to
>>do is cut it out, and then re-mount the template in your original
>>location, to make copy/ re-production of the spindle.
>>Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once
>>done, you can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your
>>original, so you can make more...
>>The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then
>>just re-producing from start to finish idioms. The Legacy is NOT a
>copy
>>lathe, but it can be used as one.
>>I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side
>>reeding a thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing
>>will slip and under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I
>have
>>made over the last few weekends)
>>Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in
>this
>>video they used a template to make a number of different idioms by
>>using the follower.
>>The sky is the limit. 
>>By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever
>>dreamed of.
>>What do you all think? any and all comments are (as always) Welcome.
>>C.A.G.
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Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-04 Thread Tim Krause 
Hi Curt,

I really like this idea as a practical solution for the case of creating 
spindles  by the seat of your pants on the legacy and then needing to reed or 
cove from the side.  I'm thinking a spring loaded sharpie holder would work 
great.  It can be mounted anywhere on the template follower to make the 
pattern.  

Thanks for the food for thought.

Tim

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On Feb 3, 2018, 4:14 PM, at 4:14 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>Hello Everyone.an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form
>work.)  I have not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my
>Lathe.
>The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template
>Maker to produce template that you can reproduce.
>If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the
>Legacy, then set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of
>wood/hardboard/plastic) on the template holder.If you put a copying
>router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.)  You can
>trace the turning.Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or
>marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild normally is
>placed.) When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the
>follower (with the marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you
>with the marker's out-line of  your new template. then all you need to
>do is cut it out, and then re-mount the template in your original
>location, to make copy/ re-production of the spindle.
>Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once
>done, you can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your
>original, so you can make more...
>The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then
>just re-producing from start to finish idioms. The Legacy is NOT a copy
>lathe, but it can be used as one.
>I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side
>reeding a thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing
>will slip and under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I have
>made over the last few weekends)
>Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in this
>video they used a template to make a number of different idioms by
>using the follower.
>The sky is the limit. 
>By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever
>dreamed of.
>What do you all think? any and all comments are (as always) Welcome.
>C.A.G.
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Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-04 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Hello Ronaldusing the original is not as easy as you would think on the Legacy, 
the brackets are made to hold flat templates. If you could mount the original 
idiom on the brackets, then you are also limited as for spacing/ clearance of 
the follower.
ONE other benefit of  using my suggested method is locating or positioning the 
work. If you mount the template/ board, in such a way it only can be mounted in 
that position after tracing out the pattern, it would much easier to re-align, 
in the future...
I use my Shop Smith duplicator a lot, for rough turnings, and then The Legacy 
to do the finals depending on what I  want to make. but ... When there is a 
will there is always a way. I believe that no one machine is its own in 
all-be-all , do everything machine.  EVERYTHING has its purpose and its place. 
AND Its just up to us, to figure out what that place is??? ;-)
I got to run.
Have a good day.C.A.G. 

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 7:54 AM, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:
 

 Hi CurtWhy not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set 
of brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop 
Smith duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm.
Ron (the math guy)
In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes:

Hello Everyone.an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.)  I have 
not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe.
The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to 
produce template that you can reproduce.
If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then 
set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on 
the template holder.If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball 
bearing guide on it.)  You can trace the turning.Now all that you need to do it 
, put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild 
normally is placed.)
When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the follower (with the 
marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the marker's out-line 
of  your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, and then re-mount 
the template in your original location, to make copy/ re-production of the 
spindle.
Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you 
can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make 
more...
The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just 
re-producing from start to finish idioms.
The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it can be used as one.
I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a 
thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip and 
under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I have made over the last 
few weekends)
Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in this video 
they used a template to make a number of different idioms by using the follower.
The sky is the limit.

By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever dreamed of.
What do you all think? any and all comments are (as always) Welcome.
C.A.G.

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Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-04 Thread 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Hi Curt
Why not use the original as the pattern to follow. Mounting it to a set of 
brackets attached to the out side of the top rails. This is like the Shop Smith 
duplicator with the router attached to the duplicator arm. 
Ron (the math guy)
 
In a message dated 2/3/2018 7:14:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com writes:

 
Hello Everyone.
an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.)  I have not done this 
on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe.
 
The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to 
produce template that you can reproduce.
 
If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then 
set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on 
the template holder.
If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.)  
You can trace the turning.
Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's 
follower (where the guild normally is placed.) 
When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the follower (with the 
marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the marker's out-line 
of  your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, and then re-mount 
the template in your original location, to make copy/ re-production of the 
spindle.
 
Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you 
can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make 
more...
 
The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just 
re-producing from start to finish idioms. 
The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it can be used as one.
 
I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a 
thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip and 
under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I have made over the last 
few weekends)
 
Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in this video 
they used a template to make a number of different idioms by using the follower.
 
The sky is the limit. 
 
By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever dreamed of.
 
What do you all think? any and all comments are (as always) Welcome.
 
C.A.G.
 
 
 
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RE: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-03 Thread Bill Bulkeley 
If I’m to understand you correctly using different size template followers or 
stylus is to match the dia  of the cutter being used to get a accurate 
reproduction of the template without it your copy would not be the same also 
when using enclosed templates you want your follower to fit neatly inside the 
template to my knowledge they came in 1/8,1/4,1/2 and 1inch

 

Bill 

 

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Sent: Sunday, 4 February 2018 1:34 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

 

If I remember correctly, Legacy had several different sized template followers 
that would be mounted outboard to follow the template.
Does anyone know the various sizes - and why you would use one size over 
another?  Obviously, a smaller follower would get down into tighter 
"valleys"/coves - but why use a larger one?
Thanks.
Mac

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From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 3, 2018 7:14 PM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill 




Hello Everyone.

an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.)  I have not done this 
on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe.

 

The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to 
produce template that you can reproduce.

 

If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then 
set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on 
the template holder.

If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.)  
You can trace the turning.

Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's 
follower (where the guild normally is placed.) 

When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the follower (with the 
marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the marker's out-line 
of  your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, and then re-mount 
the template in your original location, to make copy/ re-production of the 
spindle.

 

Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you 
can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make 
more...

 

The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just 
re-producing from start to finish idioms. 

The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it can be used as one.

 

I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a 
thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip and 
under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I have made over the last 
few weekends)

 

Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in this video 
they used a template to make a number of different idioms by using the follower.

 

The sky is the limit. 

 

By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever dreamed of.

 

What do you all think? any and all comments are (as always) Welcome.

 

C.A.G.

 


 
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Re: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

2018-02-03 Thread MWF 
If I remember correctly, Legacy had several different sized template followers that would be mounted outboard to follow the template.Does anyone know the various sizes - and why you would use one size over another?  Obviously, a smaller follower would get down into tighter "valleys"/coves - but why use a larger one?Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 3, 2018 7:14 PM
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: Do you use your template follower On your Legacy Ornamental Mill

Hello Everyone.an Idea cam to me today, (while driving home form work.)  I have not done this on my Legacy but have done it with my Lathe.The idea is to use the Template follower on the Legacy as a Template Maker to produce template that you can reproduce.If you put an already made spindle in between the centers on the Legacy, then set up a blank template ( just a sheet of piece of wood/hardboard/plastic) on the template holder.If you put a copying router bit, (or any bit with a ball bearing guide on it.)  You can trace the turning.Now all that you need to do it , put a pencil or marker mounted on the Legacy's follower (where the guild normally is placed.) When you run your ball bearing bit along the spindle, the follower (with the marker on it.) will trace the spindle, leaving you with the marker's out-line of  your new template. then all you need to do is cut it out, and then re-mount the template in your original location, to make copy/ re-production of the spindle.Now what can make this fun, is Make any spindle you want, and once done, you can use the same set-up as I described. to copy your original, so you can make more...The Legacy's template follower can be used for many things other then just re-producing from start to finish idioms. The Legacy is NOT a copy lathe, but it can be used as one.I personalty use the template follower for detail work, like side reeding a thin spindle, where I know a side cutting bit router bearing will slip and under cut what I plan to make. (exp. the cups that I have made over the last few weekends)Legacy made a few y ears ago, a video called Profile following. in this video they used a template to make a number of different idioms by using the follower.The sky is the limit. By using some simple ideas. you can make much more then you ever dreamed of.What do you all think? any and all comments are (as always) Welcome.C.A.G.






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