Re: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-30 Thread Steven Jacobs 
I got mine from Tim. Excellent tool and very fast. It can be used to offset the 
bed easily and consistently too. 

Steve Jacobs

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> On Nov 30, 2019, at 10:12 AM, artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> 
> My  height tool uses 3/16” stainless steel. The old models (1000/1500) all 
> had round holes that you used as a visual check.  Then you would measure all 
> the corners at least once to make sure the bed was level.  The newer machine 
> used the same visual method and measurement.  I developed my  version only 
> for the 900’s because at the time only standing models of the 1200/1800 where 
> being sold. With the added acme screw on both ends it was easier to set the 
> bed.  You still had to measure the four corners to make things flat enough. 
>  
> Enter my height tool.  It uses twice the amount of locations then the old 
> models but the real innovation was using the rods.  When placing the rods in 
> the brackets, you are able to let the bed rest on a repeatable location.  
> Then simply tighten the bed down.  No need to check all the corners.  They 
> will always be in the same place.
>  
> Hope that helps.
>  
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 6:50 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Leveling 900 Rails
>  
> Richard
> Legacy started making the slots in there machines when they started there new 
> factory, WITH there new CNC laser. 
> My guess why they started making this design, is simply there new laser could 
> do the job quicker  (Time is money.) On the older machines many of the parts 
> were punched out, with a press. The laser could do the same jobs (even if so, 
> they were a little different) faster and cheaper then the old ways of making 
> there machines.
>  
> I would also like to point out, it wasn't but a few years after Legacy 
> started using a CNC laser, until they making everything CNC, and drooped the 
> manual line all together.
>  
> C.A.G.
>  
> On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 04:30:07 AM EST, Richard Ellis 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> Bill
> Further to my post a few minutes ago. I do not intend to keep the shortened 
> 900 .in fact I have had it up for sale for weeks and no one wants it., £600  
> o.n.o
> I do not want to spend any money on it ,just time and out of interest. It is 
> just another challenge???
> Richard
> 
> On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 9:20:39 AM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:
> Bill
> I wonder what the rods were like ,or if they were round or flat rods. 
> Richard
> 
> On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 8:42:33 AM UTC, aussiman wrote:
> The slots were put there to line up the rails to to set the bed heights but 
> they never were really accurate I feel.
> 
> But see what you come up with Richard you might work something better let me 
> know how you get on
> 
>  
> 
> Bill
> 
>  
> 
> From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups. com  On 
> Behalf Of Richard Ellis
> Sent: Saturday, 30 November 2019 7:09 PM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Subject: Re: Leveling 900 Rails
> 
>  
> 
> Bill
> 
> I fully understand that Tim's tool is an excellent idea. But I am interested 
> as to why the slots were put there. I am sure Legacy did not just put them 
> there for no good reason.
> 
> Did you see my old post when I showed the adjustment  for the Revo?
> 
> On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:42:46 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:
> 
> I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on the 
> 900 With all the slots See pics
> 
>  
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RE: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-30 Thread artmarbles 
My  height tool uses 3/16” stainless steel. The old models (1000/1500) all had 
round holes that you used as a visual check.  Then you would measure all the 
corners at least once to make sure the bed was level.  The newer machine used 
the same visual method and measurement.  I developed my  version only for the 
900’s because at the time only standing models of the 1200/1800 where being 
sold. With the added acme screw on both ends it was easier to set the bed.  You 
still had to measure the four corners to make things flat enough.  

 

Enter my height tool.  It uses twice the amount of locations then the old 
models but the real innovation was using the rods.  When placing the rods in 
the brackets, you are able to let the bed rest on a repeatable location.  Then 
simply tighten the bed down.  No need to check all the corners.  They will 
always be in the same place. 

 

Hope that helps.

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 6:50 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Leveling 900 Rails

 

Richard

Legacy started making the slots in there machines when they started there new 
factory, WITH there new CNC laser. 

My guess why they started making this design, is simply there new laser could 
do the job quicker  (Time is money.) On the older machines many of the parts 
were punched out, with a press. The laser could do the same jobs (even if so, 
they were a little different) faster and cheaper then the old ways of making 
there machines.

 

I would also like to point out, it wasn't but a few years after Legacy started 
using a CNC laser, until they making everything CNC, and drooped the manual 
line all together.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 04:30:07 AM EST, Richard Ellis 
mailto:rchrd.ell...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Bill

Further to my post a few minutes ago. I do not intend to keep the shortened 900 
.in fact I have had it up for sale for weeks and no one wants it., £600  o.n.o

I do not want to spend any money on it ,just time and out of interest. It is 
just another challenge???

Richard


On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 9:20:39 AM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:

Bill

I wonder what the rods were like ,or if they were round or flat rods. 

Richard

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 8:42:33 AM UTC, aussiman wrote:

The slots were put there to line up the rails to to set the bed heights but 
they never were really accurate I feel.

But see what you come up with Richard you might work something better let me 
know how you get on 

 

Bill

 

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To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.%20com> >
Subject: Re: Leveling 900 Rails

 

Bill

I fully understand that Tim's tool is an excellent idea. But I am interested as 
to why the slots were put there. I am sure Legacy did not just put them there 
for no good reason.

Did you see my old post when I showed the adjustment  for the Revo?

On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:42:46 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:

I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on the 
900 With all the slots See pics

 

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Re: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-30 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 This is not the video I wanted to find, but it is a good one.
https://lwmcnc.com/why-legacy/  once open Click/check up the factory VIDEO.
C.A.G. 

On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 09:50:05 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:  
 
  RichardLegacy started making the slots in there machines when they started 
there new factory, WITH there new CNC laser. My guess why they started making 
this design, is simply there new laser could do the job quicker  (Time is 
money.) On the older machines many of the parts were punched out, with a press. 
The laser could do the same jobs (even if so, they were a little different) 
faster and cheaper then the old ways of making there machines.
I would also like to point out, it wasn't but a few years after Legacy started 
using a CNC laser, until they making everything CNC, and drooped the manual 
line all together.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 04:30:07 AM EST, Richard Ellis 
 wrote:  
 
 BillFurther to my post a few minutes ago. I do not intend to keep the 
shortened 900 .in fact I have had it up for sale for weeks and no one wants 
it., £600  o.n.oI do not want to spend any money on it ,just time and out of 
interest. It is just another challenge???Richard

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 9:20:39 AM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:
BillI wonder what the rods were like ,or if they were round or flat rods. 
Richard

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 8:42:33 AM UTC, aussiman wrote:

The slots were put there to line up the rails to to set the bed heights but 
they never were really accurate I feel.

But see what you come up with Richard you might work something better let me 
know how you get on 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups. com  On 
Behalf Of Richard Ellis
Sent: Saturday, 30 November 2019 7:09 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Leveling 900 Rails

 

Bill

I fully understand that Tim's tool is an excellent idea. But I am interested as 
to why the slots were put there. I am sure Legacy did not just put them there 
for no good reason.

Did you see my old post when I showed the adjustment  for the Revo?

On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:42:46 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:


I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on the 
900 With all the slots See pics

 


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Re: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-30 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 RichardLegacy started making the slots in there machines when they started 
there new factory, WITH there new CNC laser. My guess why they started making 
this design, is simply there new laser could do the job quicker  (Time is 
money.) On the older machines many of the parts were punched out, with a press. 
The laser could do the same jobs (even if so, they were a little different) 
faster and cheaper then the old ways of making there machines.
I would also like to point out, it wasn't but a few years after Legacy started 
using a CNC laser, until they making everything CNC, and drooped the manual 
line all together.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 04:30:07 AM EST, Richard Ellis 
 wrote:  
 
 BillFurther to my post a few minutes ago. I do not intend to keep the 
shortened 900 .in fact I have had it up for sale for weeks and no one wants 
it., £600  o.n.oI do not want to spend any money on it ,just time and out of 
interest. It is just another challenge???Richard

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 9:20:39 AM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:
BillI wonder what the rods were like ,or if they were round or flat rods. 
Richard

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 8:42:33 AM UTC, aussiman wrote:

The slots were put there to line up the rails to to set the bed heights but 
they never were really accurate I feel.

But see what you come up with Richard you might work something better let me 
know how you get on 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups. com  On 
Behalf Of Richard Ellis
Sent: Saturday, 30 November 2019 7:09 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Leveling 900 Rails

 

Bill

I fully understand that Tim's tool is an excellent idea. But I am interested as 
to why the slots were put there. I am sure Legacy did not just put them there 
for no good reason.

Did you see my old post when I showed the adjustment  for the Revo?

On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:42:46 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:


I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on the 
900 With all the slots See pics

 


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Re: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-30 Thread Richard Ellis 
Bill
Further to my post a few minutes ago. I do not intend to keep the shortened 
900 .in fact I have had it up for sale for weeks and no one wants it., 
£600  o.n.o
I do not want to spend any money on it ,just time and out of interest. It 
is just another challenge???
Richard

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 9:20:39 AM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:
>
> Bill
> I wonder what the rods were like ,or if they were round or flat rods. 
> Richard
>
> On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 8:42:33 AM UTC, aussiman wrote:
>>
>> The slots were put there to line up the rails to to set the bed heights 
>> but they never were really accurate I feel.
>>
>> But see what you come up with Richard you might work something better let 
>> me know how you get on 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 November 2019 7:09 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: Leveling 900 Rails
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> I fully understand that Tim's tool is an excellent idea. But I am 
>> interested as to why the slots were put there. I am sure Legacy did not 
>> just put them there for no good reason.
>>
>> Did you see my old post when I showed the adjustment  for the Revo?
>>
>> On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:42:46 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:
>>
>> I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on 
>> the 900 With all the slots See pics
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-30 Thread Richard Ellis 
Bill
I wonder what the rods were like ,or if they were round or flat rods. 
Richard

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 8:42:33 AM UTC, aussiman wrote:
>
> The slots were put there to line up the rails to to set the bed heights 
> but they never were really accurate I feel.
>
> But see what you come up with Richard you might work something better let 
> me know how you get on 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > *On Behalf Of *Richard 
> Ellis
> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 November 2019 7:09 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills  >
> *Subject:* Re: Leveling 900 Rails
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
> I fully understand that Tim's tool is an excellent idea. But I am 
> interested as to why the slots were put there. I am sure Legacy did not 
> just put them there for no good reason.
>
> Did you see my old post when I showed the adjustment  for the Revo?
>
> On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:42:46 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:
>
> I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on 
> the 900 With all the slots See pics
>
>  
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RE: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-30 Thread bulkeley 
The slots were put there to line up the rails to to set the bed heights but 
they never were really accurate I feel.

But see what you come up with Richard you might work something better let me 
know how you get on 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Richard Ellis
Sent: Saturday, 30 November 2019 7:09 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Leveling 900 Rails

 

Bill

I fully understand that Tim's tool is an excellent idea. But I am interested as 
to why the slots were put there. I am sure Legacy did not just put them there 
for no good reason.

Did you see my old post when I showed the adjustment  for the Revo?

On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:42:46 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:

I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on the 
900 With all the slots See pics

 

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Re: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-30 Thread Richard Ellis 
Bill
I fully understand that Tim's tool is an excellent idea. But I am 
interested as to why the slots were put there. I am sure Legacy did not 
just put them there for no good reason.
Did you see my old post when I showed the adjustment  for the Revo?

On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:42:46 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:
>
> I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on 
> the 900 With all the slots See pics
>
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RE: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-29 Thread bulkeley 
Curt is right tims unit does make things easier and also more accurate on 
adjusting the bed height, yes you can do things by altering the existing holes 
in the legs but tims is just easier also you can move tims along the rails if 
needed. Tims unit doesn’t lift the bed it just makes it real easy to aline it 
when you do either by hand or what ever mechanical means you use.

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Saturday, 30 November 2019 3:19 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Leveling 900 Rails

 

Hello Richard

Tim's jig/device was made to improve the height adjustment for exactly the same 
types of units you show in your pictures. the staircase alignment slot in the 
legs of your unit (shown in the picture), were not as users friendly OR precise 
as

what Legacy use to make (in the earlier Legacy models).

By no means is Tim's jig necessary,to make the bench top unit work, it is only 
a simpler way to get the exact height you want in the rail adjustment. 

(A jig, is any tool that makes the job easier to do/perform) .  This is exactly 
what those plates do.They make the alignment of the Legacy's rails easier and 
more precise.  Its up to the person using the Legacy to decide if they are 
needed or not.

 

Have a good day.

 

C.A.G.

 

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I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on the 
900 With all the slots See pics

 

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Re: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-29 Thread Richard Ellis 
Hi Curt
I was wondering as to what the slots were for.  As I have not seen another 
900 I don't know if all 900's had them.
I intend to make a small jig , may have to enlarge the slots.
Has anyone on the group done anything similar?? 
Certainly making jigs is all part of playing with the LOM's I have made  
quite a few for my Revo
Richard 

On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 4:18:47 PM UTC, Curt George wrote:
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> Hello Richard
> Tim's jig/device was made to improve the height adjustment for exactly the 
> same types of units you show in your pictures. the staircase alignment slot 
> in the legs of your unit (shown in the picture), were not as users friendly 
> OR precise as
> what Legacy use to make (in the earlier Legacy models).
> By no means is Tim's jig necessary,to make the bench top unit work, it is 
> only a simpler way to get the exact height you want in the rail adjustment. 
> (A jig, is any tool that makes the job easier to do/perform) .  This is 
> exactly what those plates do.They make the alignment of the Legacy's rails 
> easier and more precise.  Its up to the person using the Legacy to decide 
> if they are needed or not.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Friday, November 29, 2019, 09:42:52 AM EST, Richard Ellis <
> rchrd...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>
>
> I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on 
> the 900 With all the slots See pics
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Re: Leveling 900 Rails

2019-11-29 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Hello RichardTim's jig/device was made to improve the height adjustment for 
exactly the same types of units you show in your pictures. the staircase 
alignment slot in the legs of your unit (shown in the picture), were not as 
users friendly OR precise aswhat Legacy use to make (in the earlier Legacy 
models).By no means is Tim's jig necessary,to make the bench top unit work, it 
is only a simpler way to get the exact height you want in the rail adjustment. 
(A jig, is any tool that makes the job easier to do/perform) .  This is exactly 
what those plates do.They make the alignment of the Legacy's rails easier and 
more precise.  Its up to the person using the Legacy to decide if they are 
needed or not.
Have a good day.
C.A.G.
On Friday, November 29, 2019, 09:42:52 AM EST, Richard Ellis 
 wrote:  
 
 I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on the 
900 With all the slots See pics


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