Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

[Barrie Smart]

Isn't that what I said? If you open and save .jpg files you lose data,
albeit only a small amount.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality.  Only if they're
> repeatedly edited.
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> Barrie Smart wrote:
>
>> Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are "lossy" files, so
>> they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their
>> benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in
>> digital cameras). TIFF are "lossless" files, which retain their total
>> information even after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I
>> would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use
>> TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your overall data files will grow
>> appreciably.
>>
>> Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it
>> in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>>Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is
>>best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?
>> I know these will open in any photo program so most people will
>>be able to view them just like they can a photo.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Cathy Vallevieni
>>Orange County, CA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

[JLB]

Yes, and very well too.  Sorry, with a couple hundred emails going by 
here every day I can read things wrong.

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Barrie Smart wrote:
Isn't that what I said? If you open and save .jpg files you lose data, 
albeit only a small amount.


On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality.  Only if
they're repeatedly edited.
JL
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Barrie Smart wrote:

Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are "lossy"
files, so they lose some detail every time they're opened and
then saved. Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why
they're almost the standard in digital cameras). TIFF are
"lossless" files, which retain their total information even
after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would
think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if
you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your
overall data files will grow appreciably.

Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and
then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.

HTH

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> wrote:

   Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is
   best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a
Source?
I know these will open in any photo program so most people
will
   be able to view them just like they can a photo.

   Thanks.

   Cathy Vallevieni
   Orange County, CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Subsequent source citations -- when generated?

[Jenny M Benson]

Kirsten Bowman wrote
The Subsequent Citation format, I think, is mis-named to some degree. 
As the manual says, it's "used in the *same places* as the 
footnotes/endnotes but uses a different format that doesn't require as 
much room."  So rather than actually being "subsequent," it's really 
just an abbreviated form of the footnote/endnote citation with only 
minimal details included.  I haven't experimented with many report 
formats, but perhaps on some you can choose to use either the full 
citation or the "subsequent" citation format.


It's called Subsequent Citation because that is precisely what it is. 
The first time a Citation is printed it is printed in the full version. 
The subsequent times the same Citation is printed the abbreviated 
version (Subsequent Citation) is used.


Only at the moment there is a bug in the program and the subsequent 
(small s) Citations are coming out in the full version, not the 
Subsequent (capital s) version.


Example:

First Citation -  "England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837–1983," 
database, FreeBMD (http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl), entry for 
Philip Whetham, volume 5a, page 404, June quarter 1878, Bridport 
district; citing the General Register Office's England and Wales Civil 
Registration Indexes.


Subsequent Citation - "England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 
1837–1983," database, entry for Philip Whetham, 1878.


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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[Jenny M Benson]

Dee wrote
Thanks, but that means using the mouse to access it instead of the 
keyboard, right? I would like to use the keyboard. It seems like there 
should be a shortcut or that the backup button should have priority 
over some of the other items that are on the tab journey.


Windows - and therefore all the programs that are created to run within 
it - is designed as a "point and click" environment. Keyboard options 
are provided for all the essential functions and many others in case 
your mouse goes belly-up.  I actually know some people who find it 
quicker to use the keyboard almost all the time, rather than the mouse, 
but I don't think you can expect programmers to take a backward step to 
catering first and foremost to those who prefer the keyboard to the 
mouse.


As for the autocomplete, it starts from the front end and attempts to 
match as you type.  If you have 15 different types of file that all 
begin with the same several letters you must expect to have to do quite 
a bit of typing to reach the one you want.  (It's probably quicker to 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Shortcut to cancel a screen? was Less Steps to a Backup.

[Jenny M Benson]

Dee wrote
Another thing: Some of the buttons don't have shortcuts. Often Cancel 
or Close requires mousing instead of Alt+a letter. Any way around 
that?  For example, open a person's individual info screen. The Save 
Button has a shortcut, but the Cancel button doesn't.



Yes it does.  It's a standard Windows keyboard shortcut:  Alt+F4 closes 
the current window.


If you don't know what all the shortcut key-combinations are, look up 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List

[Randolph Clark]

Partially done entering cemeteries in burial address. Seems a bit
counter-productive as we'll still be unwilling to delete them from the
Location field as that would result in loss of the map and its accompanying
coordinates. Correct?

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:56 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Now that you've got a list of people showing for say, Evergreen Cemetery,
> at least you know who's there.  I'm thinking and I think the problem is
> there's no batch-mode for entering information.  But it's alot quicker than
> it used to be because you can edit directly from that screen.  We used to
> have to go around in a circle.  Lack of batch-mode is my bug for the week.
>  I've just been through the same issue with the To-Do list.  I keep hoping
> I've been having a senior moment for years and missed it.
> Ok, here's something.  Set up the burial address correctly for one person.
>  Make sure it's all what you want.  When you click on the Burial Address for
> the next person (for that same cemetery) right-click the Repeat button and
> it should fill it all in for you, faster than if you had to browse for it.
>  That would be pretty quick and perhaps the closest you'll get to a
> batch-mode.
> It might be faster to work in the Name List where you can put it on the
> Edit tab and have one-click access instead of two clicks to get to the
> Burial Address field.  So tag your list in Master Locations and then do a
> search on that tag number and you'll be in the Name List.
>
> JL
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>
> Pat Hickin wrote:
>
>>
>> JL,
>> I know how to edit th Master Location list to get rid of cemetery names.
>>  But before doing that, if I tag every one I want to have
>> buried in, say, "Evergreen Cemetery" can I get  them all into "Evergreen
>> Cemetery" in the burial address field (the one you get to via the + sign) at
>> one fell swoop or do I have to put each one in individually?
>>
>> Does this make sense?
>>
>> Surely do hope you can read this!
>>
>> Pat
>> JLB wrote:
>>
>>> I wrote a post a long time ago about cleaning up the Master Location
>>> List, but I don't know if it's still relevant with all the things people are
>>> doing to be compatible with pins on the maps.  If you want to try it anyway
>>> it's at http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-01-16-master_locations.shtml
>>> JL
>>> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
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>>>
>>> Syble Glasscock wrote:
>>>
 I merged the files a couple of wks ago and have edited a lot, but just
 now thought of the Master Location List,  this was the only time I've ever
 merged another persons file into mine, and yes, I certainly should have
 checked the file before merging it.
  I didn't know you could undo a merge, but at this point that would not
 be practical, is there another way to cleanup this Master List?
 Thanks,
 Syble
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From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 3:37 AM

I reccommend fixing it first, then merging. That is
the easiest. You might want to undo it, having two
files, repair the 2nd one. Once the member's fields
match yours, then merge.
Rich in LA CA
--- Syble Glasscock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I merged a family member's family file with mine,
> I'd like to "clean up" the
>  Master Location List without having to do it one
> file at a time.  Is there a way to do this?  I need
> to check for the accuracy in spelling of city &
> county names & also correct county for the city.
> Thanks,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Shortcut to cancel a screen? was Less Steps to a Backup.

[Mike Fry]

Dee wrote:
Thank you. I just figured out I can do a Shift+Tab to tab backwards. 
This way, it's "only" four tabs.
 
Another thing: Some of the buttons don't have shortcuts. Often Cancel or 
Close requires mousing instead of Alt+a letter. Any way around that?  
For example, open a person's individual info screen. The Save Button has 
a shortcut, but the Cancel button doesn't.


The 'standard' keyboard alternative to the Cancel button is the ESC key.

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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

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One thing Legacy could add to make backups better is the option to 
automatically add the current date to the backup file name. Adding it manually 
is error prone and tedious.

Jeff
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dee 
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:51 AM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?


  Hi all,
  I have Legacy 7, and backing up seems to take more steps now.  First, I have 
to tell it what to name the file, and then I have to back it up.
  I like to use keyboard shortcuts whenever I can (instead of the mouse). Here 
is what I seem to need to do:

  Alt + F, B. This gets me to the backup screen.
  Then, it takes eleven tabs to access the button for a backup. (I use a 
different name each time so that I can preserve each backup.)  There has got to 
be a better way!

  In addition, when I try to begin typing in my backup, the first fifteen 
"matches" that try to autocomplete aren't even .zip files!

  Any tips?

  Thanks,

  Dee Whiting
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RE: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[ronald ferguson]

They could, but I hope not! I prefer to overwrite my previous back-ups. Before 
anyone tells me this is bad practice I always have a previous one not on my PC.


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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:39:15 -0400





One thing Legacy could add to make backups better is the option to 
automatically add the current date to the backup file name. Adding it manually 
is error prone and tedious.



Jeff


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To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:51 AM

Subject: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?




Hi all,

I have Legacy 7, and backing up seems to take more steps now.  First, I have to 
tell it what to name the file, and then I have to back it up.

I like to use keyboard shortcuts whenever I can (instead of the mouse). Here is 
what I seem to need to do:



Alt + F, B. This gets me to the backup screen.

Then, it takes eleven tabs to access the button for a backup. (I use a 
different name each time so that I can preserve each backup.)  There has got to 
be a better way!



In addition, when I try to begin typing in my backup, the first fifteen 
"matches" that try to autocomplete aren't even .zip files!



Any tips?



Thanks,



Dee Whiting



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Re: [LegacyUG] Shortcut to cancel a screen? was Less Steps to a Backup.

[Dee]

Thank you, and I will make myself a short list of Windows shortcut keys.
Should have known!
Dee

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> Dee wrote:
>
>> Thank you. I just figured out I can do a Shift+Tab to tab backwards. This
>> way, it's "only" four tabs.
>>  Another thing: Some of the buttons don't have shortcuts. Often Cancel or
>> Close requires mousing instead of Alt+a letter. Any way around that?  For
>> example, open a person's individual info screen. The Save Button has a
>> shortcut, but the Cancel button doesn't.
>>
>
> The 'standard' keyboard alternative to the Cancel button is the ESC key.
>
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> Johannesburg.
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[LegacyUG] Slave Owner event?

[Melody B]

In the beginning I was a rube and didn't do my sources very well.  This
became quite evident when I had to clear out hundreds of duplicate entries
(which nicely reduced my family file by half a meg).

I have create a "Slave Owner" event.  Does anyone have anything similar?
Would you be willing to share the sentence structures you came up with for
it?  Or perhaps a different way you record such things?

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[LegacyUG] A "NOT Residence" event?

[Melody B]

In going thru some sources/citations, I realized that some census
information actually confirms that a certain person is NOT living at a
certain place.  For instance, A had a daughter whose age makes it evident on
a particular census that she no longer lived at home (on pre-1850 census).

What sort of Event Type would you come up with for this?  I would like to
keep track of this because it helps keep things straight in my head with all
these unnamed - only numbered - offspring.

Right now I have a "NOT Residence" event.  I called it that because census
info so often turns into a Residence event.  My sentence renders out similar
to "She was not living with her parents in such-and-such-a-place in
such-and-such-a-year." I put a note in the citation for this event to make
it more clear that this does not mean that she did not live in
such-and-such-a-place at that time, only that she didn't live with her
parents.  (though perhaps I should put that in the notes for the actual
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RE: [LegacyUG] Master Location List

[ronald ferguson]

Yup, that's my view, and being lazy.

And for the life of me I cannot see why I would wan't them in the Address 
Fields - that applies to other things as well so, for me, the Address Screen is 
for the living:-)


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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:00:43 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List


Partially done entering cemeteries in burial address. Seems a bit 
counter-productive as we'll still be unwilling to delete them from the Location 
field as that would result in loss of the map and its accompanying coordinates. 
Correct?


On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:56 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Now that you've got a list of people showing for say, Evergreen Cemetery, at 
least you know who's there.  I'm thinking and I think the problem is there's no 
batch-mode for entering information.  But it's alot quicker than it used to be 
because you can edit directly from that screen.  We used to have to go around 
in a circle.  Lack of batch-mode is my bug for the week.  I've just been 
through the same issue with the To-Do list.  I keep hoping I've been having a 
senior moment for years and missed it.
Ok, here's something.  Set up the burial address correctly for one person.  
Make sure it's all what you want.  When you click on the Burial Address for the 
next person (for that same cemetery) right-click the Repeat button and it 
should fill it all in for you, faster than if you had to browse for it.  That 
would be pretty quick and perhaps the closest you'll get to a batch-mode.
It might be faster to work in the Name List where you can put it on the Edit 
tab and have one-click access instead of two clicks to get to the Burial 
Address field.  So tag your list in Master Locations and then do a search on 
that tag number and you'll be in the Name List.


JL
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Pat Hickin wrote:


JL,
I know how to edit th Master Location list to get rid of cemetery names.  But 
before doing that, if I tag every one I want to have
buried in, say, "Evergreen Cemetery" can I get  them all into "Evergreen 
Cemetery" in the burial address field (the one you get to via the + sign) at 
one fell swoop or do I have to put each one in individually?

Does this make sense?

Surely do hope you can read this!

Pat
JLB wrote:




I wrote a post a long time ago about cleaning up the Master Location List, but 
I don't know if it's still relevant with all the things people are doing to be 
compatible with pins on the maps.  If you want to try it anyway it's at 
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-01-16-master_locations.shtml
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Syble Glasscock wrote:

I merged the files a couple of wks ago and have edited a lot, but just now 
thought of the Master Location List,  this was the only time I've ever merged 
another persons file into mine, and yes, I certainly should have checked the 
file before merging it.
 I didn't know you could undo a merge, but at this point that would not be 
practical, is there another way to cleanup this Master List?
Thanks,
Syble
--- On *Mon, 8/4/08, RICHARD SCHULTHIES /<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

   From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List
   To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
   Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 3:37 AM

   I reccommend fixing it first, then merging. That is
   the easiest. You might want to undo it, having two
   files, repair the 2nd one. Once the member's fields
   match yours, then merge.
   Rich in LA CA
   --- Syble Glasscock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > I merged a family member's family file with mine,
  > I'd like to "clean up" the
  >  Master Location List without having to do it one
  > file at a time.  Is there a way to do this?  I need
  > to check for the accuracy in spelling of city &
  > county names & also correct county for the city.
  > Thanks,
  > Syble Glasscock
   
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Re: [LegacyUG] A "NOT Residence" event?

[Jenny M Benson]

Melody B wrote
In going thru some sources/citations, I realized that some census 
information actually confirms that a certain person is NOT living at a 
certain place.  For instance, A had a daughter whose age makes it 
evident on a particular census that she no longer lived at home (on 
pre-1850 census).

 
What sort of Event Type would you come up with for this?  I would like 
to keep track of this because it helps keep things straight in my head 
with all these unnamed - only numbered - offspring.

 
Right now I have a "NOT Residence" event.  I called it that because 
census info so often turns into a Residence event.  My sentence renders 
out similar to "She was not living with her parents in 
such-and-such-a-place in such-and-such-a-year." I put a note in the 
citation for this event to make it more clear that this does not mean 
that she did not live in such-and-such-a-place at that time, only that 
she didn't live with her parents.  (though perhaps I should put that in 
the notes for the actual event)


I presume you are not talking about British Censuses, because I don't 
think one could make any such assumption from one of them about a 
person's living arrangements.  All you can be *to some extent* sure of 
is where the person was on the night of the Census.  If they are wife or 
child of the head of household then that is *probably* their permanent 
address at that time.


I cannot conceive of a circumstance where you would know where someone 
was *not* living unless you knew where they *were* living.  If you have 
census information of residence for someone whose parents were still 
alive, do you not also have residence information for the parents?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

[Sherry/Support]

No.  The multimedia files are only *linked* to the Family File - they're not
embedded (stored in) the Family File.  Theoretically, you can have an
unlimited number of pictures, sounds, videos and files linked to the Family
File in Legacy.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source 
documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much?  (That's 
an elegant sentence, isn't it?)  Or did I make that up?  I don't know 
where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the 
actual database, yes?  Media files are backed up separately -- is 
there a limit on how large that backup can be?

Kris
(I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to say. 
  I have faith!)

Sherry/Support wrote:
> I've been chatting with Geoff on this he sticks with using the larger
> file size pictures because if you create charts in Legacy Charting and the
> resolution isn't high enough, the pictures will be pixilated.
> 
> However if you have too many large pictures linked in the Picture Gallery,
> you'll find strange things in the Picture Center when linking or viewing
> pictures.
> 
> So I guess it's going to be up to the user's needs - speed or wall charts
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for using Legacy.
> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

[Sherry/Support]

Some interesting JPG facts and myths can be found at
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/formatsjpeg/a/jpegmythsfacts.htm

You don't lose quality when you open and view a jpg.  You do when you open,
edit, save and close the file.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barrie
Smart
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:17 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Isn't that what I said? If you open and save .jpg files you lose data,
albeit only a small amount.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality.  Only if they're
repeatedly edited.
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Barrie Smart wrote:
Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are "lossy" files, so they
lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit is
small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital cameras).
TIFF are "lossless" files, which retain their total information even after
multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy
factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of
files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably.

Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it
in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.
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[LegacyUG] Incorrect Auto Geo Coding

[Evan Henderson]

I have locations of Counties in the US in the following Format example:

Johnson County,  Texas, USA   

If there are no coordinates, Virtual Earth will auto geocode sometimes
incorrectly. It will ignore the County wnd serch for a city named Johnson
which may be in a county that is not named Johnson


I do not like the format, Johnson, Texas, USA or , , Texas, USA because
we do not  normally write it or say it that way in everyday usage. Those
extra commas are ugly in a report.

Is there a way to keep it from incorrectly coding?

Matt






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[LegacyUG] Do Not Auto Geo Code Issue

[Evan Henderson]

I have some locations that were not able to be located through the Geo
Database or through Virtual Earth, so I selected Do not Auto Geo Code.
Later after thorough search I have found the coordinates. When I enter in
the coordinates, unselect do not auto geo code and save the location,
Virtual Earth will not show the location at anytime, even if I back out of
Locations or even closing Legacy. The only work around is to create a new
location typed different than the desired format, then combine the offending
location into the new  location and then edit and retype the new location
into the desired format.
This is a considerably cumbersome workaround. Can anyone tell me why the
Virtual Earth does not recognize the original location when recoded?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Auto Geo Coding

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:53:36 -0500, "Evan Henderson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Those extra commas are ugly in a report.

There are report options that suppress the display of extra commas.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

[Kris]

Ah!  I see it now!  Don't know how I could have missed that, with the 
small traffic on this list and all.  LOL!


Thank you!

(And thanks to Sherry, too!)

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

Kris:

It was Sherry but the below message was her final message.

To see the whole thread, including Sherry's comment, click at the bottom 
of this e-mail on Archived messages: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ then 
find the thread with the subject line above and follow it.  Look at 
Sherry's first message for what you are referring to.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 08:14 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source 
documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much?  (That's 
an elegant sentence, isn't it?)  Or did I make that up?  I don't know 
where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the 
actual database, yes?  Media files are backed up separately -- is 
there a limit on how large that backup can be?


Kris
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say.  I have faith!)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Auto Geo Coding

[MJMethod]

In a message dated 8/6/2008 11:02:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I do not  like the format, Johnson, Texas, USA or , , Texas, USA  because
we do not  normally write it or say it that way in everyday  usage. Those
extra commas are ugly in a report.

Is there a way to  keep it from incorrectly coding?
I haven't found any way of "preventing" the incorrect coding, only "fixing"  
the location by locating the preferred spot and right clicking.
 
re: the commas: 
I agree they can be ugly, but they can be useful if  you are producing a 
"draft" for discussion with someone.
Also, they are easily suppressed in reports by  selecting Report Options 
| Format | and then checking "remove one or more  leading commas from 
locations" or "remove two or more leading commas from  locations" 
 

Mike

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RE: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[Syble Glasscock]

I preferred the backup of v.6,   I too add the date to my backup, and usually 
keep at least two on my hard drive and one on an external drive.  
I have more than one family file, and I've always backed up each one 
individually is this the correct way?
Syble Glasscock

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From: ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:08 PM

They could, but I hope not! I prefer to overwrite my previous back-ups. Before
anyone tells me this is bad practice I always have a previous one not on my PC.


Ron Ferguson

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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:39:15 -0400





One thing Legacy could add to make backups better is the option to
automatically add the current date to the backup file name. Adding it manually
is error prone and tedious.



Jeff


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To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:51 AM

Subject: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?




Hi all,

I have Legacy 7, and backing up seems to take more steps now.  First, I have to
tell it what to name the file, and then I have to back it up.

I like to use keyboard shortcuts whenever I can (instead of the mouse). Here is
what I seem to need to do:



Alt + F, B. This gets me to the backup screen.

Then, it takes eleven tabs to access the button for a backup. (I use a
different name each time so that I can preserve each backup.)  There has got to
be a better way!



In addition, when I try to begin typing in my backup, the first fifteen
"matches" that try to autocomplete aren't even .zip files!



Any tips?



Thanks,



Dee Whiting



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RE: [LegacyUG] Family Tree file

[Eileen]

Can Legacy open or Import a Family Tree file without losing the pictures and
documents?

Thank you,
Eileen

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Pat,

For the benefit of others, look at the end of *every* LUG email - it's not
just small print :-)


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Re: [LegacyUG] A "NOT Residence" event?

[Melody B]

Yes, it's US census info.  I have census info on the parents and no
one is listed on that info who is in the same age bracket as the
person of interest.

Ex: I know Ann was born between 1812-1814.  In 1840 she should be
between 26 and 28 years old, but her father's census information does
not list anyone in the 20-30 age range.  I conclude that it is
unlikely that Ann was living with her father in 1840.  I don't know
where she was living but it likely was Not with her father.

Currently I find it useful to know that she was Not living with her
father if for no other reason than that I might reasonably look for
her elsewhere or possibly it indicates that she was married by this
time or dead.


On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Melody B wrote
>>
>> In going thru some sources/citations, I realized that some census 
>> information actually confirms that a certain person is NOT living at a 
>> certain place.  For instance, A had a daughter whose age makes it evident on 
>> a particular census that she no longer lived at home (on pre-1850 census).
>>
>> What sort of Event Type would you come up with for this?  I would like to 
>> keep track of this because it helps keep things straight in my head with all 
>> these unnamed - only numbered - offspring.
>>
>> Right now I have a "NOT Residence" event.  I called it that because census 
>> info so often turns into a Residence event.  My sentence renders out similar 
>> to "She was not living with her parents in such-and-such-a-place in 
>> such-and-such-a-year." I put a note in the citation for this event to make 
>> it more clear that this does not mean that she did not live in 
>> such-and-such-a-place at that time, only that she didn't live with her 
>> parents.  (though perhaps I should put that in the notes for the actual 
>> event)
>
> I presume you are not talking about British Censuses, because I don't think 
> one could make any such assumption from one of them about a person's living 
> arrangements.  All you can be *to some extent* sure of is where the person 
> was on the night of the Census.  If they are wife or child of the head of 
> household then that is *probably* their permanent address at that time.
>
> I cannot conceive of a circumstance where you would know where someone was 
> *not* living unless you knew where they *were* living.  If you have census 
> information of residence for someone whose parents were still alive, do you 
> not also have residence information for the parents?
> --
> Jenny M Benson
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Re: [LegacyUG] Subsequent source citations -- when generated?

[Ward Walker]

Thanks Jenny. That helps to know that part of my confusion is due to a bug. 
(I suspect multiple bugs.)


Do you know what in the source detail triggers:
(a) re-using a single footnote citation;
(b) generating a Subsequent Citation footnote (when the bug is fixed); and
(c) generating a brand new footnote/endnote citation?

For example, if I cite a different death record in the same master source 
collection, then I would always expect a brand new footnote/endnote 
citation. If I cite the same death record but do not enter every detail 
exactly the same as before, I suspect that Kirsten is probably right that I 
should again get a brand new footnote/endnote citation (but I don't, in some 
reports). Does Legacy compare every character in order to decide? Only 
certain fields?


I hope the answer to (a) vs. (b) is simply whether the footnote is 
referenced on the same page.


  Ward

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Subsequent source citations -- when generated?


Kirsten Bowman wrote
The Subsequent Citation format, I think, is mis-named to some degree. As 
the manual says, it's "used in the *same places* as the footnotes/endnotes 
but uses a different format that doesn't require as much room."  So rather 
than actually being "subsequent," it's really just an abbreviated form of 
the footnote/endnote citation with only minimal details included.  I 
haven't experimented with many report formats, but perhaps on some you can 
choose to use either the full citation or the "subsequent" citation format.


It's called Subsequent Citation because that is precisely what it is.
The first time a Citation is printed it is printed in the full version.
The subsequent times the same Citation is printed the abbreviated
version (Subsequent Citation) is used.

Only at the moment there is a bug in the program and the subsequent
(small s) Citations are coming out in the full version, not the
Subsequent (capital s) version.

Example:

First Citation -  "England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837–1983,"
database, FreeBMD (http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl), entry for
Philip Whetham, volume 5a, page 404, June quarter 1878, Bridport
district; citing the General Register Office's England and Wales Civil
Registration Indexes.

Subsequent Citation - "England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index:
1837–1983," database, entry for Philip Whetham, 1878.

because you don't need all the minutiae all over again, just the pith.
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Re: [LegacyUG] A "NOT Residence" event?

[Elizabeth Richardson]

Melody, I don't think I'd make the negative event. Instead, it might be 
better to make a To Do list to find where she was. Was she married? Did she 
die young? Was she in another's household? But you might also make an entry 
in the research notes that she is not found in her father's household in 
that census year.


Jenny, the US pre-1850 census records list only head of  household, then 
there is a number in a column, by (usually) 5-year age group, for the others 
in the household. It is, therefore, possible to know if a 23 year old 
daughter (or son) was not included in the household.


Elizabeth
researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson

- Original Message - 
From: Melody B

To: Legacy User Group
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:07 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] A "NOT Residence" event?


In going thru some sources/citations, I realized that some census 
information actually confirms that a certain person is NOT living at a 
certain place.  For instance, A had a daughter whose age makes it evident on 
a particular census that she no longer lived at home (on pre-1850 census).


What sort of Event Type would you come up with for this?  I would like to 
keep track of this because it helps keep things straight in my head with all 
these unnamed - only numbered - offspring.


Right now I have a "NOT Residence" event.  I called it that because census 
info so often turns into a Residence event.  My sentence renders out similar 
to "She was not living with her parents in such-and-such-a-place in 
such-and-such-a-year." I put a note in the citation for this event to make 
it more clear that this does not mean that she did not live in 
such-and-such-a-place at that time, only that she didn't live with her 
parents.  (though perhaps I should put that in the notes for the actual 
event)






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RE: [LegacyUG] Subsequent source citations -- when generated?

[Kirsten Bowman]

Jenny:

Thanks for the clarification regarding that particular source bug.  I have so 
many repeated sources on my reports that it's difficult to see the underlying 
cause.  (One report that should have 17 separate sources now has 47--and that's 
not the worst.)  I still don't see the application for a true subsequent 
citation, however.  If the Master Source and Detail are identical and attached 
to several fields as say, Footnote/Endnote #2, then on the report all 
corresponding statements should carry a superscript #2 and tie to the full 
Footnote/Endnote with no need to repeat in an abbreviated format.  So where 
would the Subsequent Citation come into play in that case?

Kirsten

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Kirsten Bowman wrote
>The Subsequent Citation format, I think, is mis-named to some degree. 
>As the manual says, it's "used in the *same places* as the 
>footnotes/endnotes but uses a different format that doesn't require as 
>much room."  So rather than actually being "subsequent," it's really 
>just an abbreviated form of the footnote/endnote citation with only 
>minimal details included.  I haven't experimented with many report 
>formats, but perhaps on some you can choose to use either the full 
>citation or the "subsequent" citation format.

It's called Subsequent Citation because that is precisely what it is. 
The first time a Citation is printed it is printed in the full version. 
The subsequent times the same Citation is printed the abbreviated 
version (Subsequent Citation) is used.

Only at the moment there is a bug in the program and the subsequent 
(small s) Citations are coming out in the full version, not the 
Subsequent (capital s) version.

Example:

First Citation -  "England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837–1983," 
database, FreeBMD (http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl), entry for 
Philip Whetham, volume 5a, page 404, June quarter 1878, Bridport 
district; citing the General Register Office's England and Wales Civil 
Registration Indexes.

Subsequent Citation - "England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 
1837–1983," database, entry for Philip Whetham, 1878.

because you don't need all the minutiae all over again, just the pith.
-- 
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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[Bruce Jones]

I also liked V6 better.  I have one backup for each day of the week labeled
with the day (Mon, Tue,...) and overwrite them.

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Syble Glasscock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I preferred the backup of v.6,   I too add the date to my backup, and
> usually keep at least two on my hard drive and one on an external drive.
> I have more than one family file, and I've always backed up each one
> individually is this the correct way?
> Syble Glasscock
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/6/08, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> From: ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:08 PM
>
>
> They could, but I hope not! I prefer to overwrite my previous back-ups. Before
> anyone tells me this is bad practice I always have a previous one not on my 
> PC.
>
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
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>
> 
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:39:15 -0400
>
>
>
>
>
> One thing Legacy could add to make backups better is the option to
> automatically add the current date to the backup file name. Adding it manually
> is error prone and tedious.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Dee
>
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:51 AM
>
> Subject: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have Legacy 7, and backing up seems to take more steps now.  First, I have 
> to
> tell it what to name the file, and then I have to back it up.
>
> I like to use keyboard shortcuts whenever I can (instead of the mouse). Here 
> is
> what I seem to need to do:
>
>
>
> Alt + F, B. This gets me to the backup screen.
>
> Then, it takes eleven tabs to access the button for a backup. (I use a
> different name each time so that I can preserve each backup.)  There has got 
> to
> be a better way!
>
>
>
> In addition, when I try to begin typing in my backup, the first fifteen
> "matches" that try to autocomplete aren't even .zip files!
>
>
>
> Any tips?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Dee Whiting
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Subsequent source citations -- when generated?

[Ward Walker]

Kirsten,

Thanks for your reply.

My thinking on annotating either the published portion or the comment field 
is as follows. The source might have redundant or even wrong information in 
it, but might contain one nugget of good stuff. The other sources cited for 
the same field might have missing or wrong information about that 'nugget'. 
If not someone reading a report, then at least someone browsing my database 
should be able to figure out which source I am using for each part of the 
field. By "field", I mean sourceable entities such as name (first, middle, 
last, title,...), birth (year vs. full date vs. location), research notes 
(multiple paragraphs derived from multiple sources), etc.


I will consider your idea of combining comments, though. I could say once 
that I am using a death record as evidence of the person's age, middle name, 
and birth place, for example, even though I cite this source from multiple 
fields. One drawback is to anticipate this before citing it the first time, 
in order to ensure that the detail remains identical in each citation. 
Another drawback is to clean things up if you find a new source that 
corrects something originally addressed in this source.


 Ward

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Ward:


[...]


I tend to use the Comments section to point out discrepancies in records
and/or to explain why I believe one record to be correct rather than
another.  I'd also combine all my comments about a single record into one
statement rather than breaking them into what would then be separate
citations.  If your detail quotes text exactly, I don't see the need to 
add

a comment saying that this particular citation includes a middle name, for
example.  It's just stating the obvious.

Kirsten


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[...]


Aside: My understanding of the EE book is that it is sometimes desirable 
to

add a few words to the published portion of the citation about which
information is pertinent to the current citation. (E.g., the source might 
be
cited only to clarify what somebody's middle initial stands for.) And if 
you

do not do that, then at least you should clarify in the comments which you
have excluded from the citation which bit of information you are sourcing.
So the source detail will frequently be slightly different in each 
citation

of the master source, even when dealing with a single record or a single
line on a census.

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RE: [LegacyUG] A "NOT Residence" event?

[ronald ferguson]

Melody,

I do not use Census Events and only use census information as a source, so for 
all members of a family staying at the same place on census night each will 
have their own Residence Event for that place, or similar for elsewhere if not 
with the family. The census is only the source. Thus if there is no Residence 
Event for a person at any census then I can see that I did not find where that 
person was at that census time.

If I wish to see all those staying at a location then I have the census image 
attached and can just look at it.


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> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:33:10 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A "NOT Residence" event?
>
> Yes, it's US census info. I have census info on the parents and no
> one is listed on that info who is in the same age bracket as the
> person of interest.
>
> Ex: I know Ann was born between 1812-1814. In 1840 she should be
> between 26 and 28 years old, but her father's census information does
> not list anyone in the 20-30 age range. I conclude that it is
> unlikely that Ann was living with her father in 1840. I don't know
> where she was living but it likely was Not with her father.
>
> Currently I find it useful to know that she was Not living with her
> father if for no other reason than that I might reasonably look for
> her elsewhere or possibly it indicates that she was married by this
> time or dead.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:
>>
>> Melody B wrote
>>>
>>> In going thru some sources/citations, I realized that some census 
>>> information actually confirms that a certain person is NOT living at a 
>>> certain place. For instance, A had a daughter whose age makes it evident on 
>>> a particular census that she no longer lived at home (on pre-1850 census).
>>>
>>> What sort of Event Type would you come up with for this? I would like to 
>>> keep track of this because it helps keep things straight in my head with 
>>> all these unnamed - only numbered - offspring.
>>>
>>> Right now I have a "NOT Residence" event. I called it that because census 
>>> info so often turns into a Residence event. My sentence renders out similar 
>>> to "She was not living with her parents in such-and-such-a-place in 
>>> such-and-such-a-year." I put a note in the citation for this event to make 
>>> it more clear that this does not mean that she did not live in 
>>> such-and-such-a-place at that time, only that she didn't live with her 
>>> parents. (though perhaps I should put that in the notes for the actual 
>>> event)
>>
>> I presume you are not talking about British Censuses, because I don't think 
>> one could make any such assumption from one of them about a person's living 
>> arrangements. All you can be *to some extent* sure of is where the person 
>> was on the night of the Census. If they are wife or child of the head of 
>> household then that is *probably* their permanent address at that time.
>>
>> I cannot conceive of a circumstance where you would know where someone was 
>> *not* living unless you knew where they *were* living. If you have census 
>> information of residence for someone whose parents were still alive, do you 
>> not also have residence information for the parents?
>> --
>> Jenny M Benson
>>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List

[JLB]

I did say, when asked at the start of this thread, that my view of 
cleaning up the Master Location list was written 'a long time ago' 
(2007) before v.7 and before people got interested in sticking pins on 
maps.  I myself have no interest in cemetery pins on maps and, being 
lazy, have no intention of working backwards putting cemetery addresses 
or any other INTO the Master Location list.

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ronald ferguson wrote:

Yup, that's my view, and being lazy.

And for the life of me I cannot see why I would wan't them in the Address 
Fields - that applies to other things as well so, for me, the Address Screen is 
for the living:-)


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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:00:43 -0400
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List


Partially done entering cemeteries in burial address. Seems a bit 
counter-productive as we'll still be unwilling to delete them from the Location 
field as that would result in loss of the map and its accompanying coordinates. 
Correct?


On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:56 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Now that you've got a list of people showing for say, Evergreen Cemetery, at 
least you know who's there.  I'm thinking and I think the problem is there's no 
batch-mode for entering information.  But it's alot quicker than it used to be 
because you can edit directly from that screen.  We used to have to go around 
in a circle.  Lack of batch-mode is my bug for the week.  I've just been 
through the same issue with the To-Do list.  I keep hoping I've been having a 
senior moment for years and missed it.
Ok, here's something.  Set up the burial address correctly for one person.  
Make sure it's all what you want.  When you click on the Burial Address for the 
next person (for that same cemetery) right-click the Repeat button and it 
should fill it all in for you, faster than if you had to browse for it.  That 
would be pretty quick and perhaps the closest you'll get to a batch-mode.
It might be faster to work in the Name List where you can put it on the Edit 
tab and have one-click access instead of two clicks to get to the Burial 
Address field.  So tag your list in Master Locations and then do a search on 
that tag number and you'll be in the Name List.


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Pat Hickin wrote:


JL,
I know how to edit th Master Location list to get rid of cemetery names.  But 
before doing that, if I tag every one I want to have
buried in, say, "Evergreen Cemetery" can I get  them all into "Evergreen 
Cemetery" in the burial address field (the one you get to via the + sign) at one fell swoop or 
do I have to put each one in individually?

Does this make sense?

Surely do hope you can read this!

Pat
JLB wrote:




I wrote a post a long time ago about cleaning up the Master Location List, but 
I don't know if it's still relevant with all the things people are doing to be 
compatible with pins on the maps.  If you want to try it anyway it's at 
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-01-16-master_locations.shtml
JL
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Syble Glasscock wrote:

I merged the files a couple of wks ago and have edited a lot, but just now 
thought of the Master Location List,  this was the only time I've ever merged 
another persons file into mine, and yes, I certainly should have checked the 
file before merging it.
 I didn't know you could undo a merge, but at this point that would not be 
practical, is there another way to cleanup this Master List?
Thanks,
Syble
--- On *Mon, 8/4/08, RICHARD SCHULTHIES /<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

   From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List
   To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
   Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 3:37 AM

   I reccommend fixing it first, then merging. That is
   the easiest. You might want to undo it, having two
   files, repair the 2nd one. Once the member's fields
   match yours, then merge.
   Rich in LA CA
   --- Syble Glasscock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > I merged a family member's family file with mine,
  > I'd like to "clean up" the
  >  Master Location List without having to do it one
  > file at a time.  Is there a way to do this?  I need
  > to check for the accuracy in spelling of city &
  > county names & also correct county for the city.
  > Thanks,
  > Syble Glasscock
   
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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[Johnny V]

I also vote for Version 6's backup style.

so much for my rant
John Valencic

On 8/6/08, Bruce Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I also liked V6 better.  I have one backup for each day of the week labeled
> with the day (Mon, Tue,...) and overwrite them.
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Syble Glasscock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> I preferred the backup of v.6,   I too add the date to my backup, and
>> usually keep at least two on my hard drive and one on an external drive.
>> I have more than one family file, and I've always backed up each one
>> individually is this the correct way?
>> Syble Glasscock
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 8/6/08, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>
>> From: ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?
>> To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:08 PM
>>
>>
>> They could, but I hope not! I prefer to overwrite my previous back-ups. 
>> Before
>> anyone tells me this is bad practice I always have a previous one not on my 
>> PC.
>>
>>
>> Ron Ferguson
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?
>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:39:15 -0400
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> One thing Legacy could add to make backups better is the option to
>> automatically add the current date to the backup file name. Adding it 
>> manually
>> is error prone and tedious.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: Dee
>>
>> To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:51 AM
>>
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have Legacy 7, and backing up seems to take more steps now.  First, I have 
>> to
>> tell it what to name the file, and then I have to back it up.
>>
>> I like to use keyboard shortcuts whenever I can (instead of the mouse). Here 
>> is
>> what I seem to need to do:
>>
>>
>>
>> Alt + F, B. This gets me to the backup screen.
>>
>> Then, it takes eleven tabs to access the button for a backup. (I use a
>> different name each time so that I can preserve each backup.)  There has got 
>> to
>> be a better way!
>>
>>
>>
>> In addition, when I try to begin typing in my backup, the first fifteen
>> "matches" that try to autocomplete aren't even .zip files!
>>
>>
>>
>> Any tips?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Dee Whiting
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[JLB]

The PR on it said it was supposed to make backups easier.  I haven't 
noticed.

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Johnny V wrote:

I also vote for Version 6's backup style.

so much for my rant
John Valencic

On 8/6/08, *Bruce Jones* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I also liked V6 better.  I have one backup for each day of the
week labeled with the day (Mon, Tue,...) and overwrite them.







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[LegacyUG] RE: A "NOT Residence" event?

[Connie]

Hi Melody,

I DO use this as a method to keep track of people and where they are or not
counted in the census years. I use the wording of census rather than
residence, but both amounts to basically the same thing...

I have an event which is listed as 'NOT listed in census' which the event
definition is: [GivenName] was [EventName] of [Date] with the family
[~inPlace]. [Notes]. [Sources]... 

Which basically will read in reports as:
Mary Ann was NOT listed in census of 1860 with the family in Mt. Pulaski,
Logan Co., IL. 
She would have been age 7 in this census. I don't find her living with any
of her older grown siblings who have left the household, nor with other
known relative or family friends. Per her mother Elizabeth's obituary one of
the younger female children of Paul and Elizabeth (Mary Ann's parents) died
in a buggy accident in 1858. It is possible it might have been Mary Ann.
Further research is required to confirm.

I find this 'event' to be a handy research tool... 


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RE: [LegacyUG] Subsequent source citations -- when generated?

[Kirsten Bowman]

Ward:

If I had perhaps three sources regarding an individual's death I would quote
the full text for each rather than pick out only the "nuggets."  Some
details might then be duplicated/confirmed and others disputed.  My comment
would be something like "Note discrepancy in sources regarding place of
birth."

This is only my way, of course, and everyone develops their own methods over
time.

Kirsten


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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Subsequent source citations -- when generated?


Kirsten,

Thanks for your reply.

My thinking on annotating either the published portion or the comment field
is as follows. The source might have redundant or even wrong information in
it, but might contain one nugget of good stuff. The other sources cited for
the same field might have missing or wrong information about that 'nugget'.
If not someone reading a report, then at least someone browsing my database
should be able to figure out which source I am using for each part of the
field. By "field", I mean sourceable entities such as name (first, middle,
last, title,...), birth (year vs. full date vs. location), research notes
(multiple paragraphs derived from multiple sources), etc.

I will consider your idea of combining comments, though. I could say once
that I am using a death record as evidence of the person's age, middle name,
and birth place, for example, even though I cite this source from multiple
fields. One drawback is to anticipate this before citing it the first time,
in order to ensure that the detail remains identical in each citation.
Another drawback is to clean things up if you find a new source that
corrects something originally addressed in this source.

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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[Dee]

Well, this has really started something. It just seems we should be able to
name a backup and say "go" without having to click in the box, put in the
file name, then click in another box to begin the backup.  It's a small
price to pay, but I hope it will be easier in the future.

I love the idea of a checkbox that would give the option of adding the day's
date.

Dee Whiting

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:29 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The PR on it said it was supposed to make backups easier.  I haven't
> noticed.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] A "NOT Residence" event?

[Elsie Saar]

I would use the event Residence and then state in the desc that this 
person was not found with her parents. Also, with census enumerations 
before 1850, one does not know if the person living in the household 
was indeed part of that family, perhaps a cousin, perhaps a farm 
laborer, maid, etc. So it's hard to know for sure. I find that unless 
I have a good idea whom the family consisted of, 1840 and before are 
hard to use.  Just my thoughts.

Elsie

- Original Message - 
From: "Elizabeth Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A "NOT Residence" event?


Melody, I don't think I'd make the negative event. Instead, it might 
be better to make a To Do list to find where she was. Was she 
married? Did she die young? Was she in another's household? But you 
might also make an entry in the research notes that she is not found 
in her father's household in that census year.


Jenny, the US pre-1850 census records list only head of  household, 
then there is a number in a column, by (usually) 5-year age group, 
for the others in the household. It is, therefore, possible to know 
if a 23 year old daughter (or son) was not included in the 
household.


Elizabeth
researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) 
Thompson


- Original Message - 
From: Melody B

To: Legacy User Group
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:07 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] A "NOT Residence" event?


In going thru some sources/citations, I realized that some census 
information actually confirms that a certain person is NOT living at 
a certain place.  For instance, A had a daughter whose age makes it 
evident on a particular census that she no longer lived at home (on 
pre-1850 census).


What sort of Event Type would you come up with for this?  I would 
like to keep track of this because it helps keep things straight in 
my head with all these unnamed - only numbered - offspring.


Right now I have a "NOT Residence" event.  I called it that because 
census info so often turns into a Residence event.  My sentence 
renders out similar to "She was not living with her parents in 
such-and-such-a-place in such-and-such-a-year." I put a note in the 
citation for this event to make it more clear that this does not 
mean that she did not live in such-and-such-a-place at that time, 
only that she didn't live with her parents.  (though perhaps I 
should put that in the notes for the actual event)






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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[Mark Wilson]

With apologies to the programmers, 

Adding a date to the backup should be a user-selectable option.  If the 
user decides to use the auto-dating backup feature, then there should 
also be an option as to the date format used with the backups.  My 
computers are set up to display the date in 'dd MMM ' format, wheras 
I manually save my Legacy backups in ' MMM dd, ' format.  
(example: 2008 Jan 01, Tuesday)  Even the time could be added to the 
backup for those who wish to make several backups during the day.  There 
could even be a choice that would give the backup file its base name, 
such as "Smith Genealogy."  (The base name could even default to the 
name of the .fdb database in use at the time.)   A resulting 
self-generating backup file might look like: "Smith Genealogy (2008 Jan 
01, Tuesday; 15:27:12.32).zip."   By including the time, there would be 
no chance of accidentally overwriting an existing backup.  For those who 
like to keep a reduced number of backups, there could also be a 
user-selected option to automatically keep the last "X" number of 
days-worth of backups and delete the rest.  By days-worth, I mean that 
Legacy would save, let's say, the last 14 individual days of backups, 
each day of which could have numerous backups.  There may only be 14 
backups retained if only one backup per day was made, or there might be 
27 backups retained over the last 14 days-worth of backups if numerous 
backups were made each day.  For those who might have a backup or two, 
or three... that he/she wants to keep from being automatically deleted, 
there could be a user-selected exclusion list for those filenames that 
are to be protected.


What are some of the thoughts of other LUGers?  Is this something that 
the programmers should pursue? 


I can see it now... Legacy will eventually be a  100 MB download!  


Mark

==
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One thing Legacy could add to make backups better is the option to 
automatically add the current date to the backup file name. Adding it 
manually is error prone and tedious.
 
Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] Subsequent source citations -- when generated?

[Ward Walker]

Just to be clear, the internal source text detail always captures everything 
in the source. The published footnote cannot contain all that bulk, but it 
could potentially contain a short phrase highlighting an important fact from 
this source. I'm leaning away from this now, due to the way footnotes are 
handled in Legacy reports. I agree that the internal comment can note a 
discrepancy. I haven't determined yet whether differences (only) in internal 
comments can still trigger the multi-footnote bug in Descendant Narrative 
reports. Hopefully not.


Haven't lots of people run into this?

  Ward

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Subsequent source citations -- when generated?



Ward:

If I had perhaps three sources regarding an individual's death I would 
quote

the full text for each rather than pick out only the "nuggets."  Some
details might then be duplicated/confirmed and others disputed.  My 
comment

would be something like "Note discrepancy in sources regarding place of
birth."

This is only my way, of course, and everyone develops their own methods 
over

time.

Kirsten


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ward
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Subsequent source citations -- when generated?


Kirsten,

Thanks for your reply.

My thinking on annotating either the published portion or the comment 
field
is as follows. The source might have redundant or even wrong information 
in
it, but might contain one nugget of good stuff. The other sources cited 
for
the same field might have missing or wrong information about that 
'nugget'.
If not someone reading a report, then at least someone browsing my 
database

should be able to figure out which source I am using for each part of the
field. By "field", I mean sourceable entities such as name (first, middle,
last, title,...), birth (year vs. full date vs. location), research notes
(multiple paragraphs derived from multiple sources), etc.

I will consider your idea of combining comments, though. I could say once
that I am using a death record as evidence of the person's age, middle 
name,

and birth place, for example, even though I cite this source from multiple
fields. One drawback is to anticipate this before citing it the first 
time,

in order to ensure that the detail remains identical in each citation.
Another drawback is to clean things up if you find a new source that
corrects something originally addressed in this source.

 Ward






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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[John S. Adams]

Windows already does this.

John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA

--
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To: 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

One thing Legacy could add to make backups better is the option to 
automatically add the current date to the backup file name. Adding it 
manually is error prone and tedious.


Jeff 





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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I agree.  It is precisely what I had in mind and is how most professionally 
designed backups do it.  And - it should not really add much code at all. 
Less than a dozen lines of code at most.


I urge the Legacy programmers to consider it seriously.

Jeff



Mark Wilson wrote:

With apologies to the programmers, 

Adding a date to the backup should be a user-selectable option.  If
the user decides to use the auto-dating backup feature, then there
should also be an option as to the date format used with the backups.
My computers are set up to display the date in 'dd MMM ' format,
wheras I manually save my Legacy backups in ' MMM dd, '
format. (example: 2008 Jan 01, Tuesday)  Even the time could be added
to the backup for those who wish to make several backups during the
day.  There could even be a choice that would give the backup file
its base name, such as "Smith Genealogy."  (The base name could even
default to the name of the .fdb database in use at the time.)   A 
resulting

self-generating backup file might look like: "Smith Genealogy (2008
Jan 01, Tuesday; 15:27:12.32).zip."   By including the time, there
would be no chance of accidentally overwriting an existing backup. For 
those who like to keep a reduced number of backups, there could

also be a user-selected option to automatically keep the last "X"
number of days-worth of backups and delete the rest.  By days-worth,
I mean that Legacy would save, let's say, the last 14 individual days
of backups, each day of which could have numerous backups.  There may
only be 14 backups retained if only one backup per day was made, or
there might be 27 backups retained over the last 14 days-worth of
backups if numerous backups were made each day.  For those who might
have a backup or two, or three... that he/she wants to keep from being 
automatically

deleted, there could be a user-selected exclusion list for those
filenames that are to be protected.

What are some of the thoughts of other LUGers?  Is this something that
the programmers should pursue?

I can see it now... Legacy will eventually be a  100 MB download! 

Mark

==
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One thing Legacy could add to make backups better is the option to
automatically add the current date to the backup file name. Adding it
manually is error prone and tedious.

Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Not as part of the file name where it would be easy to see and prevent 
overwriting.


Jeff

John S. Adams wrote:

Windows already does this.

John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?


One thing Legacy could add to make backups better is the option to
automatically add the current date to the backup file name. Adding it
manually is error prone and tedious.

Jeff





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Re: [LegacyUG] Slave Owner event?

[Richard Bynum]

I use a U.S. Slave Schedule event to document my belief that an ancestor 
is represented on a slave schedule.  I also have one case were a likely 
ancestor is indeed the slaveholder.  In that case, for my records, I 
included the word, "slaveholder" in the title suffix field to 
distinguish the name if it hits a query or report.


What does your "slave owner" event mean?

Richard

Melody B wrote:
In the beginning I was a rube and didn't do my sources very well.  
This became quite evident when I had to clear out hundreds of 
duplicate entries (which nicely reduced my family file by half a meg).
 
I have create a "Slave Owner" event.  Does anyone have anything 
similar?  Would you be willing to share the sentence structures you 
came up with for it?  Or perhaps a different way you record such things?


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Re: [LegacyUG] less steps to make a back up?

[John S. Adams]

I'm sorry.  Didn't mean to imply that the date was part of the file name. 
But when you click the "Select Name and Location" bar, its easy to see 
the date of each backup in the Details view of your files.  Why should 
Legacy duplicate this?


John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA

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Not as part of the file name where it would be easy to see and prevent 
overwriting.


Jeff

John S. Adams wrote:
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[LegacyUG] (LegacyUG) Event: Transfer of Deed

[Hugh Busey]

The purchase and sale of land was an important event in our ancestor's
lives.  I would like to
display the date and place in the Chronology Report.  However I find no
Event to document
the transfer of a deed, land or property from one person to another in the
Events list.

Am I missing something?  How are you handling it?

Hugh




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RE: [LegacyUG] (LegacyUG) Event: Transfer of Deed

[ronald ferguson]

Hugh,

You can create your own Event(s) eg. "Land Transfer", use View>Master 
Lists>Event Definition>Add


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The purchase and sale of land was an important event in our ancestor's lives.  
I would like to
display the date and place in the Chronology Report.  However I find no Event 
to document
the transfer of a deed, land or property from one person to another in the 
Events list.

Am I missing something?  How are you handling it?

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