from:"Anne Hildrum"

Sorting Index on DOB was Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features

2009-10-23 Thread Anne Hildrum

Not everybody is as computer savy as others. Some have no idea what a 
spreadsheet 
is, and some do not have Access.

Of course I don't know the code behind Legacy, but as a programmer
sorting is normally a simple procedure.

I used it extensively when I used FTM, and It is one of the features that I 
really
miss in Legacy.

Anne


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ron Taylor 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features


Export data to a CSV file and then use a spreadsheet to sort it however 
you wish.  Another possibility is to use GenViewer as it can sort on any 
column.  These are great features of Legacy.  With some experience you could 
use Access to manipulate the data any way you can imagine.

Ron Taylor

   


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to retain wife's married name as entered

2009-09-12 Thread Anne Hildrum

 "maiden name" might for some be the only name. Not everybody changes
their name when they marry. Some places they didn't in the old days nor
in these days.

Anne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kramer 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to retain wife's married name as entered

  Bill, that only makes sense.  A "maiden" name is from before any marriages 
and during the maiden years.  All other names are marriage names from various 
marriages.  

  God bless,

  Ellen Kramer

  Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and 
Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families

  On Sep 12, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Bill Rhodes wrote:

Thanks to all who responded to my query. From the replies I got I can only 
assume that Legacy will not allow me to enter the wife's name on her second 
marriage the way I prefer to enter it. So I shall just live with Legacy's rule 
that I must use the same maiden name on both marriages - and I assume it would 
hold true even for 3rd and 4th and etc. marriages. 
Thanks again.

Bill R.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:18 PM, ronald ferguson  wrote:

  > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:13:23 +0100
  > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
  > From: ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to retain wife's married name as entered

  >
  > Bill Rhodes wrote
  >>GGM Mary Hinton married Joseph Brown.
  >>In Legacy I entered Wife's name as Mary Hinton.
  >>Joseph died five years later.
  >>
  >>Marriage #2 was to George Miller.
  >>I entered Wife's name as Mary Hinton Brown.
  >>
  >>Problem: When I do the above, Legacy automatically changes her (Wife's)
  >>name to Mary Hinton Brown - which is wrong and not as I entered.
  >>
  >>So my question is "how can I keep her name the same as I enter it
  >>without Legacy changing it?"
  >
  > Where are you entering the wife's name that Legacy is changing? I don't
  > understand why you are having to enter the woman's name twice.
  >
  > When you add a wife to a man and she is not already in your database you
  > create a new individual using her maiden surname - Mary Hinton.
  > You don't need to enter her again when she re-marries, you just link her
  > to the second husband but she still has the same maiden name.
  >
  > I don't use the facility to show married surnames in lists, but I am
  > sure Legacy creates them by using the woman's forenames and the
  > husband's surname. I don't think there is any way it will retain a
  > previous married surname if she marries again.
  > --
  > Jenny M Benson
  >

  I agree, Jenny, and nor will it allow someone to have what in effect 
would be two maiden names ie. the one used for the first marriage and then the 
one used for the second marriage.

  What I do is to enter a Marriage Note to say that she married the second 
time using her first married name.

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to retain wife's married name as entered

2009-09-12 Thread Anne Hildrum

I understand what she means. If
Karen Olsen marries Peder Brown. Peder Brown dies and she
marries a second time Peter Smith and her name then is Karen Brown.
She wants it to read that Karen Brown married Peter Smith, and not
that Karen Olsen did.

I guess you  would get that happen if you added married names to females.
Then however if Karen Olsen didn't change her name when she married you
would give her a false married name, and the second marriage the name again 
would
be wrong.

I guess I would add under marriage notes that her name when she married Peter 
Smith was Karen Brown.

Anne

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jenny M Benson 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to retain wife's married name as entered


  Bill Rhodes wrote
  >Thanks to all who responded to my query. From the replies I got I can 
  >only assume that Legacy will not allow me to enter the wife's name on 
  >her second marriage the way I prefer to enter it. So I shall just live 
  >with Legacy's rule that I must use the same maiden name on both 
  >marriages - and I assume it would hold true even for 3rd and 4th and 
  >etc. marriages.

  I still don't understand why you talk about *entering* the wife's name 
  on her second marriage.  If you already have the woman in you file and 
  you already have her first husband, you simply enter a new man as her 
  second husband.

  What you might well wish to do is record the exact wording of the Source 
  "document" you are citing for this marriage.  (I put "document" in 
  inverted commas because I realise it might not be an actual document 
  which is your Source.)  If the Jane Doe was married to Joe Bloggs and 
  after his death marries Jack Smith she might have her name cited on the 
  marriage record (Certificate, Parish Register, whatever) as Jane Doe 
  Bloggs and if so that is what you enter in your Source Citation.  Legacy 
  will have no objection to that.

  (Actually, it is always correct to copy exactly what is written in a 
  Source record, so had she been recorded as Jane Blogs, Jane Do Bloggs or 
  even Mary Bloggs, that is what you would enter in the Source Citation.)
  -- 
  Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Things I Would Like to See

2009-08-04 Thread Anne Hildrum

From: "ronald ferguson" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Things I Would Like to See

Anne,

My main objection to Chick's post was to his first paragraph ie. checking the entry for duplicates in real time - it was only later 
that he suggested it may be optional.

The only point I made about the sort suggestion was that I consider it a waste of time because Legacy can already do this search 
using Search>Find>Detailed Search.

Thus for me, and I didn't say anything about anybody else, they are unwanted.

I agree that having the check for duplicates woul have to be optionally. I 
would really liked the opportunity
myself to have that duplicate check, but due to the size of my file it might be 
something though I really would like to
use, but due to the size of my file something I might never use. This however 
would probably be a much larger thing to program,
than the possibility to sort on birthdates. How we sort the index is today 
optional, but it sure would help a
lot having the possibility to do it in the index. A lot easier than  the other options suggested. I caught a lot of duplicates 
having my

file sorted on bithdates.

Anne

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Re: [LegacyUG] Things I Would Like to See

2009-08-04 Thread Anne Hildrum

From: "ronald ferguson" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:32 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Things I Would Like to See

Chuck,

We have had this discussion before, and I wonder why you have raised it agin. There is, as you know, a way of putting in an 
enhancement request on the Legacy Home Screen.

For me, I would not wish to use this facility, and it would, therefore be program bloat. BTW, you did not indicate it would be 
"optional" in your first post.

I do not agree with your comment regarding the use of search; if it is used properly, one can, for example, use wildcards in a name 
should you wish, and use it in conjunction with a date of birth. Much >more useful and more pwerful then your proposal.

Even in the indexes you can get all the people will the same surname, in date of birth order by selecting the RIN of the individual 
you wish to use as standard and then click the surname button at the top.

I am pretty sure there are lots of bloats in Legacy, different ones for 
different people. I wouldn't object to
people getting their bloats as long as I don't have to use it.

I have no problems understanding the wish to sort the index on purely date of 
birth. I did catch duplicates way back when I used FTM
with that possibility and sure still miss it. It wouldn't be any hardship making the possiblity in the program either, no more so 
than sorting on

RIN or first names/last names. Those who didn't like it could just not use it, 
like I never sort on RIN.

Anne

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Re: [LegacyUG] Things I Would Like to See

2009-08-04 Thread Anne Hildrum

I second your wishes. I really miss those two for the same reason.

Anne

- Original Message - 
From: "Chick Lewis" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Things I Would Like to See

I have been using Legacy for almost a year now (since V7 came out.)
My previous program was Family Tree Maker.  Following are two features
that I would like to see incorporated into Legacy:

1. The ability for Legacy to recognize a possible duplicate person
when he/she is being entered. I search for duplicates quite often
because I have inadvertenly entered a person without realizing he/she
is already in my database. I know how to use the merge function and
search for duplicates, but it would be nice if Legacy would "catch" a
duplication when the name is being entered and warn that it is a
possible duplicate.

2. The ability to sort/search the index by birth date as well as
alphabetically or by RIN. This is one feature of FTM I really miss. I
often found people who were the same, but had their names spelled
slightly different.  Comparing individuals by birth date rather than
name will sometimes reveal the existence of an un-connected individual
with a different name or name change.  I have had several instances
where I have been able to connect individuals to families by comparing
birth dates.

If enough of us request these features, maybe the powers to be will
incorporate them into the next upgrade.

Chick Lewis
California

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Re: [LegacyUG] Flaming - new guidelines?

2009-03-27 Thread Anne Hildrum


Every now and again this topic comes up. There are easy ways to deal with it.

If one is bothered by list annoying emails. Let the listowner know and they 
will deal with
whatever is on the list.

If it goes private, just ban that sender from your email program and you need 
never
to see the persons emails again.

Now of course a lot will say hey it is not my job to deal with private flaming 
etc. I kind of agree,
people shouldn't send private flaming emails, but we got to be realistic, there 
will always be jerks out there.

When that is said, sometimes stop and think, when you feel that the topic got nothing to do with Legacy, 
may be some of your topics aren't all that interresting as well. We have a tendency to accept a lot we

like ourselves even if it isn't on topic, but are eager to get rid of what 
don't interest ourselves.

I hear people talk about how bad this list is, but frankly this one is pretty 
mild to quite a few others I am
on, and some of them are genealogy list as well.

Anne


- Original Message - 
From: "Famhobby" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:10 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Flaming - new guidelines?



Perhaps we should all just abide by the existing list rules and there
wouldn't be a problem.   




Janis, I notice that you seem to be in the position of "instituting new
guidelines".Are you associated with Millennia?If not, where do you
get the power to ignore the existing rules and propose new ones?  I thought
we were all just subscribers who agreed to abide by the posted list rules.



In the past, when anyone addressed the off topic chit chat on the list they
were quickly shouted down and told to address it offline with the person
involved.   Now when that's done it's called flaming and you're going to
report that as a crime.  Is any offline email that you don't like considered
flaming?  It seems that there's a privileged few around here who make
the rules as they go for their own purpose.



Also maybe we shouldn't take the lack of an active moderator as an
indication we can do whatever we want to here.   It's pretty clear there is
very little moderation here and a few of the active people think they are
running the list.







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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of Janis L Gilmore
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Flaming - new guidelines?



Perhaps we should institute a new guideline. If anyone on the list receives
private flames, they should be forwarded to the list administrator
forthwith.

I wonder if the administrators have any idea how much it goes on. I doubt
it.

We could decide, as a group, to forward these messages privately to the list
administrator. It would not have to be on the list guidelines, since the
messages would not be sent to the list.

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Re: [LegacyUG] End of Line Ancestors

2009-02-20 Thread Anne Hildrum


I don't think it is a bug.

I have noticed that I have ended up with the same, and
the reason was I clicked the wrong place as if I was
going to enter a parent, which I was not as I did not know them,
but it created a set of unknown parents.

Sometimes you might want to have unknown for parents in order to
connect siblings.

Anne

- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:46 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] End of Line Ancestors



Keith,

I have just checked all my unknown marriage links. I have found a small number of unknown/unknown. All are the parents of recent 
additions to my files. It seems, therefore, likely that this is a bug which has only recently crept in.



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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:53:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] End of Line Ancestors
From: geosc...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

OK - that worked - BUT now - How do I know if the same problem is
true of others in my database?? This was the way to FIND the End of
Line Ancestors - but this flaw in the program (magic parents that are
blank and blank) makes this search useless - RIGHT??

Can this be programmed out?? Parents that are blank and blank are
crazy (or Unknown and Unknown -- uness someone actually enters them
that way). The Legacy Program should NOT be allowed to PRESUME - it
should reflect entered data ONLY. SUPPORT???

Thanks
Keith

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:17 PM, GeoSci wrote:

Will check for Unknown-Unknown - but I know there has been NO import
and I did NOT put them there. I wonder if - when I a trying to get to
my 1st McKain and I just keep clicking the latest one - if that
(somehow) enters a blank person??? Humm - a possibility.

Thanks all!
Keith

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Todd Carnes wrote:

- Original Message - From: "John S. Adams"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] End of Line Ancestors



I tried this and the first thing I noticed was no ADAMS, my primary line,
in the list. When I went to Asahel ADAMS, my earliest ancestor, on the
Family View screen, the parents block was empty. I then selected Asahel's
son Asa, my next earliest direct line ancestor. With Asa as the primary
person, Asahel appears in the parents block with a "+" at the left of his
name. This indicates that there is a parent in the database for Asahel. When
I moved Asahel into the primary location, I noticed that the icon for
parents was colored in and indicated 1 set of parents. When I clicked on
it, the pop-up screen showed parents "unknown & unknown." At the bottom of
that pop-up is a button labeled "Unlink from Child." Selecting that deleted
the unknown parents. I ran the "find direct line ancestors with no parents"
routine again and the resulting list correctly showed Asahel ADAMS.

I'm not sure how the unknown parents got attached to Asahel, but this may
be your problem. Check the parents icon on your earliest ancestors.

Hope this helps.

John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA


I, too, recently found several sets of "unknown" parents that I had to
manually unlink from child. I'm not sure how they got there, but i know that
_I_ did not put them there.

Todd

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Rudeness to the list was: [LegacyUG] Apple

2009-01-14 Thread Anne Hildrum


Funny isn't it though, that Wynther comments the rules of the list,
and so blatantly ignores them him/herself. The original poster made
an error quite unintentionally, while Wynther did it on purpose.

Anybody might end up sending in Html by mistakem while being
rude on the list is quite intentional. Something about not trowing
glass when you sit in a glasshouse yourself.

Anne

- Original Message - 
From: "Gene Young" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Apple



Bill Wilson wrote:

Exactly my sentiments! There are some helpful people here but there
are also many on this list who will berate anyone for any small
infraction or the slightest mistake. 


I must disagree with your assessment that there are "many on this list who will 
berate anyone."
It is an unfortunate circumstance that a small minority of malcontented posters give such a bad 
impression of this list.  If you have a question, post it.  The good people will be glad to assist 
and the others, like Wynther, are easily filtered out directly to the trash bin.  I certainly hope 
that Millenia drops him from the list for such egregiously outrageous posting but if they do not, I 
will still post my questions and answer what I can and the malcontents be damned.  Don't let the bad 
ones deter you.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Indicating same sex partners

2009-01-12 Thread Anne Hildrum


No there is not. Personally I let the main person be of the right sex,
the other ends up with the wrong sex, but I then put in notes that the person
is of the other sex, but that Legacy can't handle same sex marriages. Then
when I make reports I search for those incidents and change sentences if
necessary.

Anne

- Original Message - 
From: "dennis gelpe" 

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Indicating same sex partners



Is there any way to indicate same sex partners, or to edit the sex of a
partner when it indicates that a woman's partner is a male?

Dennis




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sibling relationships

2009-01-07 Thread Anne Hildrum


I do agree that people should turn it off. However there
are quite a few who are unaware that they have it turned on,
some have no idea what this is all about. Remember there are people
who do not have all that knowledge about computers, they just want to
do some genealogy, and send some mails, and have it all set up for them by 
others.

To ask someone kindly to turn it off in a nice way is fine, and why not send it 
directly to
the person in question? I really don't need to read all those mails regarding 
it. I have it
turned off so of course I don't get those requests. Someone needs to see I have 
received their
email, will pretty fast get an answer from me.

Sometimes however those requests are not made in a very nice way. No wonder 
there are
wars going on, if we can manage to get this upset about such a small thing.

Someone asks for a receipt, send them a polite privately mail and explain. May 
be for ease
and kindness we should have a how to ready for the different email programs to 
send them.

Anne

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Bernier" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sibling relationships



Don't you really mean it is much easier to expect list recipients to
be responsible for modifying their email programs than it is to expect
list subscribers to adhere to the simple etiquette guidelines they
agreed to when they subscribed to the list?


On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM, John S. Adams  wrote:

Because it is much, much, much easier to modify your e-mail environment than
to control the behavior of hundreds of strangers.

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Re: [LegacyUG] [LegacyUserGroup] List Posting Error Notification

2008-12-11 Thread Anne Hildrum


I just noticed that the sender of these emails are listed
as   coming from  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Isn't it possible to remove that sender from the group? I don't know, but your
messages comes from your [EMAIL PROTECTED]

May be if Legacy for some time only use names and not owner or something they
will manage to get rid of them.

Anne

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Ron,

Reporting them as spam will only add our whole domain to the blocked lists.
PLEASE don't do this as we have a hard enough time getting our email
responses to our customers as it is!

It can be quite a battle to get unblocked.  There's one ISP that some of our
customers use and for the life of me, they are ignoring every request I've
made to get unblocked - I'm constantly filling out their web form and still
we're getting blocked. This only adds to the workload. Besides the time to
contact them, we have to resend the message using a secondary non-Legacy
account.

So PLEASE don't flag these to your ISP as spam!

Be assured that Ken *is* trying to figure out what's going on with these
messages.

Thanks for using Legacy.

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The number/frequency of these messages combined with the length of time that
this problem has been occurring is rapidly approaching spam status.  I
honestly think that it is becoming time for the subscribers to this list to
start reporting these messages as spam.  That is probably going to be the
only way this issue will get corrected.


Regards,
Ron Bernier
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Re: [LegacyUG] Index Sorting

2008-12-09 Thread Anne Hildrum


That is one feature I really do miss. I used it extensively when I used FTM.
I didn't expect to find duplcates right next to each other, since year of birth 
might
often be off, but I often found people who were the same, but had their names 
spelled
slightly different. It sure was a helpful feature I really do miss.

Anne

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Index Sorting



Ron,

If you could sort by date you may find duplicates that you are unaware of. 
You would almost have to know who you were looking for and when they were 
born to find them by search.


The ability to sort by date of birth is something I have long wished for, 
for that reason.


Art Seddon

Chick,

I haven't a clue as to whether it is likely to be a future enhancement, but 
if you are looking for everybody born between two dates then you can use 
Search>Detailed search and enter the two dates where appropriate. You can 
also use wildcards in the search - see the Help Files (search for wildcard 
and check Detailed Search in the options) for a third condition.


Hence:
you would search for an individual, born after  AND 2nd condition born 
before AND 3rd condition surname Equal To Jones (with wildcard if wanted)


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Re: [LegacyUG] Format for Swedish and Norwegian locations

2008-07-22 Thread Anne Hildrum

Just a comment on the names when people moved to another farm.
Don't take it as a given, even though a lot give people the new farm
name. The thing we know for sure is their first name and their father's
first name. How they themselves called themselves we don't know unless we have
what they called themselves in writings from themselves.

I have people whose father was Erik from before 1801, and the descendants
kept Eriksen or variations of the name as their last name up til today. Not 
very common,
and especially since they didn't live in the city. I have the same happening 
with
somone who was born on a farm, moved a couple of times, but his descendants
up til today still use the farmname where he was born as their last names.

How you treat the names and the places is up to you, and once you decide stick
to it. It will then be easy for others to see how you do it, if you share.

The normal way to enter places, woul be to go from the smaller to the larger.
Part of farm, farm, parish, Place/City, county(fylke), Country.
How much of it you enter would be up to you.

Anne

- Original Message - 
From: "RICHARD SCHULTHIES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Format for Swedish and Norwegian locations

Yes and no. I have some farms with over 50 family
groups (and over 30 buildings), and there are
different levels of parishes I call sub-parishes,
under parishes and main parishes. The one parish I
know of had a couple hundred sub-farms in the parish,
and it was only a sub-parish. The rest of the parish
was across the fjord 10 miles by water. How you choose
to track your locations is up to you, but I find
listing the farms is needed. And in my Norwegian
places, when people moved to a new farm; rent, buy,
inherit, he/she changed the last name to the farms.
This is getting OT. E- mail me directly for comments
please.
Rich in LA CA

--- Robert57P via Gmail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Wouldn't "parish" be the somewhat equivalent of the
USA "city"?  And
"province" be somewhat equivalent to the USA
"state"?  (Or does "province"
correspond more to USA county? or does "parish"
correspond more to a USA
county?  Please forgive my ignorance.)

So I'd think, for consistency's sake (if one uses
the optional 4 position
"USA" methods of Legacy), it would work better to do
it in a manner like
this:

parish, , province, Norway
   or
parish - farm/address, , province, Norway

That way if you shared Legacy files (or even
GEDCOMs) with others, it would
be more apt to be in the same pattern.

I haven't gotten to my Norwegian/Swedish ancestors
yet but I have many from
there.  So I'm interested in these questions on the
best way to enter their
locations into Legacy.

Thanks,
Bob

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Format for Swedish and
Norwegian locations

> Here are some examples
> Ølstøren, Lensvik S., Sør Trøndelag Fylke, Norge
> Lövåsen, Lysvik Församling, Värmlands Län, Sverige
> I use the four places because they fit, using the
farm
> name, then parish, then 'Province', then country.
> When you add the special characters, you can then
use
> either the Swedish or Norwegian Alphabet, (they
either
> can handle both sets).
> Enjoy,
> Rich in LA CA
> --- sue murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> I am a new user to Legacy - just downloaded the
free
>> version to see if I like it better than my
previous
>> software. I am looking for suggestions of
>> experienced users to correctly format Swedish and
>> Norwegian locations. Legacy locations
>> are standardized to U.S. place naming conventions
>> (city, county, state, country).
>>
>> Would you stop at the parish level: , Hörja,
>> Kristianstad, Sweden.
>>
>> Or maybe consider the farm name: Angsholm, Hörja,
>> Kristianstad, Sweden
>>
>> I appreciate any suggestions that other Legacy
users
>> have used successfully.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sue.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Calculator

2008-06-30 Thread Anne Hildrum


Uncle-in-law what is that? Guess we have less relationships or
non relationship names than you do in english.

Personally I would expect Legacy to handle mother-father-brother and sister-in 
laws
as that is "relationship names" that we do have and use. Are we also going to 
have
7C 6R in-law?

Anne

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Calculator



Maybe so, but Legacy does return in-law relationships, so it should
return the so-called uncle-in-law relationship.  I still think that
"no relationship" is wrong.


On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Wynthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ah.. but here's the thing
*Any* in-law "relationship" is no genealogical relationship at all-merely a 
social one or a legal one (if that).
;)


- Original Message 
From: Chick Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:35:58 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Calculator

OK, then Legacy should return the relationship as nephew-in-law.
but it returns "no relationship" which is wrong.


On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Wynthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Your uncle is the brother of your father or mother. The husband of your aunt (your father's or mother's sister) is yoru 
uncle-in-law.

You are the nephew-in-law, not the nephew, of the husband of your aunt.
Imho, it is not a bug.


- Original Message 
From: Chick Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:28:12 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Calculator

So what is the verdict?  Is it a bug or not?
Seems to me that even if my uncle is calculated as the husband of my
aunt, he is still my uncle and should be listed as such.  And I should
be calculated as his nephew as well as my aunt's nephew or at least as
the nephew of my aunt's husband.
My wife's parents are not actually related to me either, but they are
calculated as in-laws.
Chick


On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 8:01 AM, glove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Not really - the nephew of my wife is a different person to the husband of
my aunt. If the true aunt was the selected person the relationship would
show both ways round and the reverse relationship would show if I were the
selected person.
Graham


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Seems to me, the relationship is equally valid both ways.
The other end of "husband of aunt"  is  "nephew of wife"
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7 --- PLEASE!

2008-06-11 Thread Anne Hildrum

I kind of agree with you, but seeing people have troubles getting response
from sales, I guess it is understandable.

Anne

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7 --- PLEASE!

Also, my suggestion would be that those who have issues with their purchase
of version 7 take it directly to Legacy sales via email or phone.
Subscribers to the list don't need to hear about everyone's individual
purchase problems.   If I had a problem purchasing something I'd deal
directly with the seller and not expect hundreds of uninvolved people to
listen to my whining.

Dave

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Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7 --- PLEASE!

I was away from my computer for 1 (one) day and came back to find over 200
e-mails in my Legacy folder. It has taken me hours to sift through the ones
of interest.

I set up a new folder for anything concerning the new release of Legacy 7
and a filter to shuttle those to this new folder. I know I'm likely not the
only one with this problem of subject titles. I only have a limited number
of 25 filter options left available from my ISP. I know this isn't going to
do any good to ask, but could listers be consistent in the subject line by
using Legacy 7 only?

So far I've found the following in the subject line   Legacy 7;  v7;  V7;
v.7;  Version 7. If listers would PLEASE use only Legacy 7 in the subject
line I'm sure it would simplify life for all of us trying to filter our
Legacy posts into manageable folders.

As I said, I know it will likely fall on deaf ears, but at least I
tried

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG

2008-05-29 Thread Anne Hildrum


I Moved from TMG to Legacy, but that was a long time ago.
The main reason I have a large file, and making a GEDCOM of that file in TMG 
took
more than 4 days, in Legacy abt 2 hours. Making the report I always use took
in TMG 4 days, in Legacy less than 2 hours.

The one thing I miss in Legacy is the possiblity to connect several people to 
the same event,
or many people to one person where none is related. Other than that Legacy is 
faster, easy to
use.

Anne

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG



Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG?
Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? 




Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that
might be slightly off topic (not sure).



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Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOM size in Legacy

2008-05-22 Thread Anne Hildrum


Legacy have no problem making a Geedcom of a file
that size. I just made one of my file, and it is many times larger
than the one mentioned.

Anne

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Subject: [LegacyUG] GEDCOM size in Legacy



Hi all;

I was sent the following question by a person in Canada.  If you can answer 
this for me, please email me directly.


with thanks Charlie

I am looking for a genealogy programme that will make a Gedcom from a very 
large file.


My file has 74600 names and is 47.1 MB in PAF.   A gedcom stops at 
6.
I did a filter of just death dates and those born before 1911 and got 51000+ 
names and the gedcom stops at 4.


My question is - will Legacy make a gedcom with up to 100,000 names? 






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Re: [LegacyUG] Sorting on birthdate

2008-03-15 Thread Anne Hildrum


What I want is the possibility to search by birthdate/year, meaning everybody 
born in yeat
1800 comes first, then those born 1801 etc.

With sorting on names, you get everybody named Anderson sorted on the year 1800 
and then 1801, but the Smiths
born the same years are way way further down. I want to see everybody born in 
1800 first, then everybody born in 1801 etc.

When you deal with names that are spelled slightly different, that makes it 
easier to see if the same person are
there twice, once as a wife/husband and another as a child.

Anne

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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sorting on birthdate



I take the point that is being made in this thread but in Index View, if selected by Surname then for each first name(s) the birth 
dates are sorted in order (at least on mine!).



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Subject: [LegacyUG] Sorting on birthdate
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:36:29 +0100

I am not sure if this is what was asked for, but if so I
really do support it. I used to use FTM ages ago,
and the possibility of sorting on birthdates was invaluable to me.

I am talking of the index view where you today may search on RIN, Given and 
surname.

Due to the size of my file and too many more or less identical name, running a 
match doesn't
really do it, I get too many. Searching on birthday quite often have shown me 
matches I was not
aware off.

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[LegacyUG] Sorting on birthdate

2008-03-15 Thread Anne Hildrum


I am not sure if this is what was asked for, but if so I
really do support it. I used to use FTM ages ago,
and the possibility of sorting on birthdates was invaluable to me.

I am talking of the index view where you today may search on RIN, Given and 
surname.

Due to the size of my file and too many more or less identical name, running a 
match doesn't
really do it, I get too many. Searching on birthday quite often have shown me 
matches I was not
aware off. 


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[LegacyUG] Huge files was Criteria you use to add an individual to Legacy?

2008-01-13 Thread Anne Hildrum


I have personally entered everyone into my database. Never taken in any
GEDCOMS or other files. Not always because I didn't trust who I got it from,
but because I wanted to get a feel for everybody myself and also check if there
were someone I already had in my database.I do work quite closely with 
several relatives on different sides of the family, and we do update each other.


I do wonder somtimes though when everybody says they have checked everything,
are we expecting our children to do the same all over again? The family book 
made by
different branches of the family that was my start on it all, back in 1979, I 
took at
face value. I have found out more than they did, but so far what they found out
matches mine on what I have looked into. Have I rechecked every little bit of 
it myself,
no I haven't.

I was just trying to explain how I came about having a huge file. I do however, 
wonder
why it is such a big deal to others how large other's family files are. 
Personally I
couldn't care less the size of others files are, or how well documented they 
are. Whether people
have 500 or 1.000.000 people in it, what is it to me. Some people are only 
interrested in
direct ancestors and descendants, others will may be add siblings and their 
wifes along the way,
while others again will enter anybody they are related to, and me who enters 
all the information from the
bygdebooks for the many communities in the area I am interrested in where they 
have those. I
often find errors or omissions and constantly go through my file to check 
against churchrecords
when available, censues and what other material I can find. Are everybody in my 
file well documented,
not by a long shot. Quite a few of them are of little interrest to me except 
they lived in the area, but
who knows further down the road, they may become of interrest, but I haven't 
yet discovered the connection.

There are good reasons for people having few people in their files and there 
are good reasons for having
many.

Anne



- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Templeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Criteria you use to add an individual to Legacy?



Ann,

The issue for many of us who see people relate these huge files is in 
understanding how they came to be. There are certainly cases where someone 
who has been consistently working for many years will have a well documented 
database of tens of thousands of names. Hopefully you are one of those. But 
for everyone like that there are probably 9 (more likely 99) more who have 
simply appropriated thousands and thousands of names from other sources 
(such as the Ancestral File) without a shred of independent research to 
verify anything. Real research takes time, such as writing for vital 
records, scrolling through microfilm pages, traveling to libraries, etc.


When you think about it, if someone works at genealogy like a full-time job, 
at 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year for 20 years they have worked a total of 
41,600 hours. So to get a 120,000 name database they had to *average* 
finding, documenting, and data entry of 3 names per hour. Now I know that 
sometimes I stumble upon some large family groups, but then there are the 
MANY times I have spent all day traipsing around a graveyard, or reading 
microfilms, etc and come up empty. I certainly have not averaged 3 names per 
hour over the years. Then there is the fact that most of us, even those 
retired, probably are not actually spending a consistent 8 hours a day on 
genealogy, so the "find rate" has to be even higher than 3 NPH to accumulate 
those kinds of numbers.


So, when people say they have 150,000 or 250,000 names, our skepticism is 
not with the *existence* of these large databases, it is with their quality. 
Only you can judge the quality of your research. If you know in your heart 
of hearts that it is not junk genealogy then there is no reason to take 
offence when someone expresses a *general* scepticism about these huge 
databases.


Gary Templeman

- Original Message - 
From: "Anne Hildrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Criteria you use to add an individual to Legacy?


Hehe, I guess my file is extreemely suspect. Yes I do have thousands in my 
family file.

Everybody in it is not related to me, but a great majority is.

We all start differently and do this genealogy stuff different. Is one 
better than another,

not in my eyes we have different wishes or goals or wants I guess.

I started out with a family book, wanting to see how I was related to 
different people in
it, and later decided I would try to find my ancestors. The problem was I 
started with one
community to discover poeple married back and forth between all the 
neighbouring communities.


Seeing most of these communities had what we call bygdebooks(farm an

Re: [LegacyUG] Criteria you use to add an individual to Legacy?

2008-01-12 Thread Anne Hildrum


Hehe, I guess my file is extreemely suspect. Yes I do have thousands in my 
family file.
Everybody in it is not related to me, but a great majority is.

We all start differently and do this genealogy stuff different. Is one better 
than another,
not in my eyes we have different wishes or goals or wants I guess.

I started out with a family book, wanting to see how I was related to different 
people in
it, and later decided I would try to find my ancestors. The problem was I 
started with one
community to discover poeple married back and forth between all the 
neighbouring communities.

Seeing most of these communities had what we call bygdebooks(farm and family 
books) I decided
to enter them all into my file. Poeple I lost in one were refound in another. 
Of course there are errors in
them as it might be in my file, because I write a date wrong or something else. 
When it comes to my own
family I check censues and churchbooks and what I can find. I also do some of 
it when people ask
me for help, so by time more and more gets better researched. Of course they 
aren't all researched, but
as time goes by more and more are.

Some says I am just collecting names, I would rather say I am collecting 
connections. These people lived on farms,
suddenly some of those might connect to my family, or if not they might connect 
to yours.

I have helped lot of people finding their ancestor by the fact that I did enter 
all the bygdebooks, sometimes
there are related to me, but other times not. So shame on me for having so many 
people in my files,
and making it possible to help others 

Anne

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Criteria you use to add an individual to Legacy?


Criteria you use to add an individual to Legacy?Far too often, people are just collecting names and don't really know if the 
connections are valid. I'm always suspect about the claims of 10s of thousands of people in someone's family file ;-)


Tom
 - Original Message - 
 From: Claire Spinelli

 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:49 AM
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Criteria you use to add an individual to Legacy?


 I often read of people who have thousands and thousands of people in their database.  Today I read of one over 100,000.  I have 
trouble envisioning where all these people come from J  I feel like a slouch - my best branch (paternal grandfather) only has about 
400 people in it and I thought I was doing pretty well.  I add direct line ancestors, of course, their siblings, all spouses and 
children involved.  I also include the parents of any spouses, though, and generally just make a note of their siblings.  For 
instance, the wife of my great-uncle would be included, as would her parents, but that would be the end of her line.  (I hope I'm 
explaining this so it can be understood.)  I read questions about downloading gedcoms found online.  Perhaps I'm not as fortunate as 
others, but the gedcoms I've found have only included 3 or 4 people that would be relevant to me.  In that case, I import the gedcom 
into its own file, and only enter into my main database the 3 or 4 people.  To do otherwise would, to me, create useless clutter.



 Is there something wrong with my thinking?

 Claire

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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

2007-10-06 Thread Anne Hildrum

People I guess handle same sex marriages different ways.
Since I haven't so far found 2 marrying that both are related to me,
I just make the one related to me the right sex, and the other one
ends up with the wrong sex. I then make a comment that the person is 
male/female
but Legacy can't handle it. That way when I am making a report, I just find 
those if any
and make the necessary changes there. Of course this will be a problem if 
both are related to me,

but luckily that hasn't happened so far.

Anne

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Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

Excellent point, Allen. I told Jim privately last night that I thought it
would be a good idea for Legacy to either say that they were intending to
fix the problem or they weren't intending to fix the problem and then,
depending on the answer to that, people ought to be allowed to discuss 
ways

around the current lack of recognition of same-sex partnerships, and there
are probably many ways to do this which would prove satisfactory to the 
many
who need this kind of technical help. Morality and immorality are 
definitely

off-topic subjects for this gourp.

Thad

On 10/6/07, Allen Prunty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jim...

If this is the official word from Legacy Technical support and the
company then I can assume that we will never see this support in the
software in the future.  There are several very public messages today
that indicate that there are some of us who need this... granted we
don't always agree with it the need is there.

I, as a long time paying customer, feel very slighted in being silenced
over a real issue because some have their own personal agendas of what
is correct and proper in procedure and what is moral in their eyes.

It is my hopes that as a moderator you can keep the topic on the issue
and not let it degrade into a discussion on how immoral or wrong this
is.  Whether we agree if it is immoral or moral we still have it going
on in our family.  It probably has repeated before... there are many old
"spinsters" who had no children and unmarried men in the past.  Things
were not as open before and God forbid if it is genetic it could help
future generations.

If this is Legacy's official stance then I guess I can abandon hope that
it will ever have this functionality... now I am asking you as a
technical support representative... how can I best prepare my datafile
to import into another genealogy software?  Perhaps it's time to look
elsewhere.

Allen

Jim Terry wrote:
> Dear Listers:
>
> I have had numerous requests today to ban the subject of same-sex
marriages.
> Because several people are getting upset again, please take this 
> subject

off
> list.  LUG subscribers are free to exchange e-mail messages between
> themselves, or they may join the RootsWeb mailing list for Legacy 
> Family

> Tree at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/LEGACY.html and
carry
> on the discussion there.
>
> Thank you,
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Is Anybody There?... same sex relationships

2007-10-05 Thread Anne Hildrum


I think facts has shown that we all are. Even those who believe they are
doing straight biological genealogy would find there is people in their file 
that
actually should not have been there had they been able to DNA test 
everybody,

from their biological viewpoint..

I talked to a young women who for years had done the genealogy on her 
parents,
only to find out at age 32 that one side was actually family history as what 
everybody thought was
her father, even him, actually was not. Most never find out, but statistics 
says about 10% of the parentage

is in error.

Anne


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Why can you not do both?

Marilyn

On 10/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Mike,

Then I am a fourth group.

I do NOT believe same-sex relationships are an abomination but DO
believe that they should not be shown in a genealogical presentation (
as opposed to a family History presentation).

There is nothing wrong with doing family history, as long as you
realize that that is what you are doing and not deceiving yourself into
believing you are doing genealogy.

The reverse is also true.








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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

2007-09-21 Thread Anne Hildrum

So what, there would never be any adopted child in the family of the heir to 
the crown.
So your total unrealistic point, isn't such a good point regarding how to 
treat adopted
children as any adopted child in Norway would legally be treated like any 
families
biological children. You may say that the heir to the Crown is disciminated 
againts as he/she could never
adopt a child, and if he/she had a child outside marriage that child would 
never be able to inherit the

crown either.

Theretically you're right, but realistically all adopted children are 
treated like biological

children would.

Anne

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Easy- No adoptee can ever inherit the crown. If that isn't treating
adoptees different from biological children I don't know what is.


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I as a Norwegian would like to know how the Norwegian law treat
adoptive children different than others within their adoptive family.

Anne

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> This is an over generalization that is simply not true. I can name off 
> the top of my head 10 western european countries

that, > by law, require adoptees be treated differently than others
within > their adoptive families.

> Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Spain, England, Luxemburg, Leichenstein,

The > Netherlands, Belgium, and Monaco.
> -Original Message- 
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LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:29 pm 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

> > > I am somewhat reluctant to post on this again as I fear it may

be
getting off topic. Let me begin by saying if the law thinks that the terms 
"mother," "father," "parent," "son," "daughter," and "child"

are

adequate to cover adoptive relationships, why is there a problem

using
them in genealogy for such relationships? When a child is adopted, the law 
makes absolutely no, let me repeat , no difference between that child and 
a biological child, even to the point of issuing a new birth certificate.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

2007-09-21 Thread Anne Hildrum


Well I am talking realistically while you are talking theoretically,
your scenario would never happen.

Anne

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The reality is that there is no law which prohibits a royal from 
adopting. If Crown Princess Victoria decided to adopt and never married 
then on her death her sister and not her  adopted child would become 
monarch.


My point was that a sweeping over-generalization was made and needed to 
be shown as such.



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Ok you're not really talking realities here, so no one thought about 
the point that the heir to the throne


has to be legitimately born in a marriage. The fact actually is that 
that is more treating children outside marriage different


than adoptive children. That a child could be born outside marraige by 
an heir to the throne would


be more of a point that could happen, than that the heir would adopt 
a child.




I seem to rememeber there was talk that the Crownprincess of Denmark 
wanted to adopt


her sister's children after she died, but adoption by the royal family 
was a no no.




That sure is a sleeping law related to adoptive children being treated 
different,


as it would never happen.



Anne

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Date: Thursday, September 20, 2007 18:44
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com


Easy- No adoptee can ever inherit the crown. If that isn't
treating
adoptees different from biological children I don't know what is.


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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother


I as a Norwegian would like to know how the Norwegian law treat 
adoptive children different than others within their adoptive family. 

Anne 

- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To:  
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother 

> > This is an over generalization that is simply not true. 
> > I can name off the top of my head 10 western european

countries
that, > by law, require adoptees be treated differently than
others
within > their adoptive families. 
> > Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Spain, England, Luxemburg,

Leichenstein,
The > Netherlands, Belgium, and Monaco. 
> > -Original Message- 
> From: Sara Binkley Tarpley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
> Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:29 pm 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother 
> > > > I am somewhat reluctant to post on this again as I fear

it may
be 
> getting off topic. Let me begin by saying if the law thinks
that the 
> terms "mother," "father," "parent," "son," "daughter," and

"child"
are 
> adequate to cover adoptive relationships, why is there a

problem
using 
> them in genealogy for such relationships? When a child is adopted, 
> the law makes absolutely no, let me repeat , no difference between 
> that child and a biological child, even to the point of
issuing a new 
> birth certificate. 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

2007-09-21 Thread Anne Hildrum

How many heirs to the thrones in Europe have adopted?

Anne
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  Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

  Royalty can adopt, but, as you say, the adopted child would be treated 
differently from the "heir of the body", which is what the discussion was 
about. The main differentiation however is that a large number of adoptees are 
still alive, certainly in England, who were born under the old system. They are 
not of the Blood Royal or Peers, they are normal citizens.
  John

  On 21/09/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The reality is that there is no law which prohibits a royal from
adopting. If Crown Princess Victoria decided to adopt and never married
then on her death her sister and not her  adopted child would become
monarch. 

My point was that a sweeping over-generalization was made and needed to
be shown as such.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

2007-09-21 Thread anne . hildrum

Ok you're not really talking realities here, so no one thought about the point 
that the heir to the throne
has to be legitimately born in a marriage. The fact actually is that that is 
more treating children outside marriage different
than adoptive children. That a child could be born outside marraige by an heir 
to the throne would
be more of a point that could happen, than that the heir would adopt a child.

I seem to rememeber there was talk that the Crownprincess of Denmark wanted to 
adopt
her sister's children after she died, but adoption by the royal family was a no 
no.

That sure is a sleeping law related to adoptive children being treated 
different,
as it would never happen.

Anne

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, September 20, 2007 18:44
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

> Easy- No adoptee can ever inherit the crown. If that isn't 
> treating 
> adoptees different from biological children I don't know what is.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Anne Hildrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 8:57 am
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
> 
> 
> I as a Norwegian would like to know how the Norwegian law treat 
> adoptive children different than others within their adoptive family. 
>  
> Anne 
>  
> - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> To:  
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:30 AM 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother 
>  
> > > This is an over generalization that is simply not true. 
> > > I can name off the top of my head 10 western european 
> countries 
> that, > by law, require adoptees be treated differently than 
> others 
> within > their adoptive families. 
> > > Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Spain, England, Luxemburg, 
> Leichenstein, 
> The > Netherlands, Belgium, and Monaco. 
> > > -Original Message- 
> > From: Sara Binkley Tarpley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
> > Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:29 pm 
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother 
> > > > > I am somewhat reluctant to post on this again as I fear 
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> > terms "mother," "father," "parent," "son," "daughter," and 
> "child" 
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> > adequate to cover adoptive relationships, why is there a 
> problem 
> using 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

2007-09-20 Thread Anne Hildrum

I as a Norwegian would like to know how the Norwegian law treat
adoptive children different than others within their adoptive family.

Anne

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

This is an over generalization that is simply not true.

I can name off the top of my head 10 western european countries that, 
by law, require adoptees be treated differently than others within 
their adoptive families.

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Spain, England, Luxemburg, Leichenstein, The 
Netherlands, Belgium, and Monaco.

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

I am somewhat reluctant to post on this again as I fear it may be
getting off topic.  Let me begin by saying if the law thinks that the
terms "mother," "father," "parent," "son," "daughter," and "child" are
adequate to cover adoptive relationships, why is there a problem using
them in genealogy for such relationships?  When a child is adopted,
the law makes absolutely no, let me repeat , no difference between
that child and a biological child, even to the point of issuing a new
birth certificate.

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Re: [LegacyUG] ? Living Relatives

2007-07-09 Thread Anne Hildrum

- Original Message - 
From: "Gene Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] ? Living Relatives

Karl Plenge wrote:
One other consideration on this is legal issues.  In the US, a dead 
person has no legal right to privacy, but I suppose the websites would be 
opening themselves up to lawsuits if someone published someone's name who 
did not wish to be published.

Bingo!
Give that man a cigar.  A private person, unlike a public person such as a 
movie star or politician, has a legal right to his private life.  By 
posting his or her information on the very public World Wide Web, you 
violate that privacy and open yourself to possible civil action.  If he 
wishes to have his name and telephone number in the phone book, that is 
HIS choice.  You putting his business in public is not.  You may or may 
not like this but it is a fact of today's life that we must either 
respect, or pay the price.

I am all for keeping living people off the Internet, not so much for the 
reasons you all quote.
Legal issues, there are different ones for different countries, and while it 
may be illegal to
post on the internett in the USA that Linda Smith was the daughter of Harold 
Smith and

Karen Doe, it certainly may be legal in other countries.

If I wanted to write a book about my family etc, may be it would be nice to 
ask everyone living if the

accept to be in it, I don't think I legally need to do so.

In order to do genealogy you often get help from family and friends, and of 
course a lot of sources will dry up
because you put people on the internett and your sources get really annoyed 
by it.

Why is it so important to put living people on the Internet, especialy when 
one knows that a lot

don't want to be there.

Anne 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging

2007-07-03 Thread Anne Hildrum

Well the tag the parents of all with tag nr 1 first, then you get the
spouses parents. Then tag the rest with nr 2, then delete tag 1.

Anne

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging

Hi Anne,
That's fine, except that way you'll delete parents of spouses which the OP 
didn't want to do.

Cathy

At 08:31 PM 3/07/2007, you wrote:

Well if you easily tag all relatives, won't be that hard to tag 
non-relatives.
Just tag all relatives with tag nr 1. Then tag everybody that do not have 
tag 1

with tag 2. The delete TAG 1, and there you have tagged all non relatives.

Anne

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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging

It's easy to tag all relatives whether you tag all descendants of end of 
line ancestors or set relationships to yourself and use Search 
Relationship equal to Related.

It's very difficult to tag non relatives.

The non relatives/in laws and their parents that the OP wanted to include 
are easily included by exporting a tagged group as per my earlier email.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging

2007-07-03 Thread Anne Hildrum

Well if you easily tag all relatives, won't be that hard to tag 
non-relatives.
Just tag all relatives with tag nr 1. Then tag everybody that do not have 
tag 1

with tag 2. The delete TAG 1, and there you have tagged all non relatives.

Anne

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging


It's easy to tag all relatives whether you tag all descendants of end of 
line ancestors or set relationships to yourself and use Search 
Relationship equal to Related.


It's very difficult to tag non relatives.

The non relatives/in laws and their parents that the OP wanted to include 
are easily included by exporting a tagged group as per my earlier email.


Cathy

At 05:51 PM 3/07/2007, you wrote:


Cathy wrote

You can export the group you are wanting to keep.

Tag all the relatives.


But the OP asked if there was an easy way to tag the non-relatives. I 
suspect that tagging all the relatives would actually be a bigger job than 
tagging the non-relatives.


I think it was the *easy* (implying fairly quick) bit that was crucial!
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Re: [LegacyUG] Child Status

2007-01-29 Thread Anne Hildrum

I don't quite understand this. I looked at teh statuslist I have for 
children,

and the only one I originally added myself was triplets.

I have stillborn, adopted and foster twins in my child status list.
I know I never put them there.

Anne

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Child Status



Mike Fry wrote
Legacy gives three options for Child Status - None, Stillborn and Twin. 
It is quite possible for a child to be both Stillborn and Twin (or any 
other multiple, which could be added to the list) but it doesn't seem to 
be possible to indicate more than one status.


The Child Status List is one of the Master Lists. Therefore, YOU can press 
the Add button to create what you want.


Yes, I know that, which is why I said "or any other multiple, which could 
be added to the list."


What I'm saying is that you can't have 2 Statuses (stati?) selected at the 
same time.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Capitolization and in-line auto complete

2007-01-08 Thread Anne Hildrum

From: "Gene Hutson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Capitolization and in-line auto complete

Anyone notice this;

  when in Family View and adding someone, anyone, son, daughter, another 
wife,
   anyone, when you put in a fore name and tab to another field it will 
automatically
   capitolize that fore name but when you add a middle name also, it will 
leave the

   first name in lower case if that is how it was typed.

I have the same problem. Mostly I notice, but not always, so I have ended up
with several first first names without a capitalized first letter.

Anne 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Civil Unions

2006-12-17 Thread Anne Hildrum

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From: "Laurence E Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Civil Unions

Alan Jones wrote:

Interesting discussion

As one who has only used Legacy in demo mode and not full mode as this
caught my eye as I currently use Family Tree Maker (FTM).  The ability
to have same sex "Partners" as FTM calls it has been around for a
while.  Technically it allows for same sex marriages.  However it still
labels them as Husband and Wife.  However you can change the beginning
status of the relationship to Partners and each person is now a 
partner

Hi
 I have several same sex unions and they work the same as you described 
for FTM
In the marriage window you change husband and wife to partner or anything 
else you want.

The only real difference is that in FTM the two are still labelled as the 
same sex,
whereas in Legacy  one will get the opposite sex. Two males in FTM will 
remain

2 males, whereas in Legacy one will change sex to female.

Anne 

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Fw: [LegacyUG] Foster children

2006-12-01 Thread Anne Hildrum


Hehe Paul,

I bet most Norwegians would have no idea what you meant with
having a Mammy.

I think if and if so how you list her would be very much up to you.
I bet it would be interresting for your grandchildren and descendants 
further

down the line to hear about her. In a way if you talk about Really "Real"
blood relationships, one thing you can't prove it by birthrecords nor 
bibles.
It indicates that it is right, but again without a DNA you never really can 
be sure.


With including anybody who makes us who we are, meaning family, yep I am
sure your Mammy is quite a bit a part of who you are, and had I had one
like it I might have included her in my story. I wouldn't have included her
family unless they also were like family to me.

Sure she is not your family genealogically speaking, but sure part of it 
family wise..


Anne
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To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:16 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children



Anne,
I can't argue with that.  However, that is where the integrity of research
and documentation fall into place.  That is why such documentation as 
census

records are not considered THE source for proof, rather they are clues to
point us to the right direction.  Before computers and the internet when
genealogies were kept on paper and in family bibles, it was easily noted 
and
many times noted when there were children listed that were not DNA 
related.

My whole point is that with programs such as Legacy, we do have problems.
Too many times people fail to make the notation that someone is only a
foster child.

So, let me ask everyone a question.  I am from the south.  I had a mammy.
Do I list Mammy as another mother?  Or as an aunt?  Or what?  She was in
every sense a second mother and very dearly loved.
Paul

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Hildrum
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

My problem with including only blood(DNA) in the childrens
lists is that the only ones I could be 100% sure belong there are my
own children. I guess me and my brothers could get DNA tested to
make sure we belong together, but I guess further back how do I prove
they belong.

I have no problem seeing what people are saying about foster and adopted
children, but again  most of us probably have ancestry in our files that
don't belong there
unknown to ourselves. I think I read that about 10% of peoples fathers are
wrong.

Kind of makes it funny thinking about those who for years only have been
interested in teh paternal line.

Anne



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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

2006-11-29 Thread Anne Hildrum


My problem with including only blood(DNA) in the childrens
lists is that the only ones I could be 100% sure belong there are my
own children. I guess me and my brothers could get DNA tested to
make sure we belong together, but I guess further back how do I prove
they belong.

I have no problem seeing what people are saying about foster and adopted
children, but again  most of us probably have ancestry in our files that 
don't belong there
unknown to ourselves. I think I read that about 10% of peoples fathers are 
wrong.


Kind of makes it funny thinking about those who for years only have been 
interested in teh paternal line.


Anne

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:42 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children



I agree that it is up to each and everyone to decide.  But, if you want to
discuss the integrity of the genealogical standards, then only blood (DNA)
belong in the childrens lists.  This is the way it has always been.  When 
we

start to throw other names in, we pollute the genealogy and destroy the
standards.

I often finds names on the internet that do not belong in my family 
because

others assume that a blood connection exists.  The internet and the
"casualness" has all but destroyed the standards which in turn, destroys 
the

integrity of one's database.

Before the days of internet research most of us were taught by people that
spent too many years, miles of travel, and a fortune making sure to 
document

every item in a database.  They taught us about the integrity of the
genealogical standards.  Someone may say that it is only a database to be
shared within the family, but eventually people will forget that a certain
person that was strictly a foster child, was only that and not a blood
relative.

I hope people consider the facts.  Genealogy is all about Ancestry and
foster children are not descendants, any way you look at it or try to 
doctor

it.

Paul

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne
Hildrum
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

It may not be meant to start a fire fight, but has been on many other 
lists

before.

I think it is entirely up to each and every of us to decide what we want 
to

list in
our genealogy program. I have a few fosterchildren in my program, where 
they


were
fostered from being infants, and ended up inheriting the farm.
Of course if you're talking blood and DNA they most likely don't belong
genealogically speaking, but they may very well, family speaking.

And then again who knows, may be the foster child really was a child,
and how many of those ancestors or childen we list up thinking of as
blood really wouldn't be if you could take DNA of them all. Most likely
a lot do have people in their files that aren't blood even if they think 
so.


It is however up to each and every one of us to decide for ourselves.
I wouldn't put in a foster child tha stay for a year or so, but someone 
who

ended up being
part of the family I would, marked as foster of course.

Anne



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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

2006-11-29 Thread Anne Hildrum


It may not be meant to start a fire fight, but has been on many other lists
before.

I think it is entirely up to each and every of us to decide what we want to 
list in
our genealogy program. I have a few fosterchildren in my program, where they 
were

fostered from being infants, and ended up inheriting the farm.
Of course if you're talking blood and DNA they most likely don't belong
genealogically speaking, but they may very well, family speaking.

And then again who knows, may be the foster child really was a child,
and how many of those ancestors or childen we list up thinking of as
blood really wouldn't be if you could take DNA of them all. Most likely
a lot do have people in their files that aren't blood even if they think so.

It is however up to each and every one of us to decide for ourselves.
I wouldn't put in a foster child tha stay for a year or so, but someone who 
ended up being

part of the family I would, marked as foster of course.

Anne

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From: "Arnold Sprague" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children


I think that once we open the *genealogical* door to non-blood 
line children, the difference between adopted, foster, and anything else 
is merely a word game.
IMPHO*, there should be two categories for children: blood line 
(DNA) and other.
IMHHO*, we should only list children of the parents' blood lines 
(DNA). Others should go into notes


My comments are meant to further the discussion as to what 
constitutes *genealogy*. It is not meant to start a fire fight.

Arnold

* In My Polite Humble Opinion
** In My Honest Humble Opinion



At 09:13 AM 11/29/2006, you wrote:
I think this goes beyond traditional genealogical standards.  I don't 
think foster children should be listed as children simply because they 
aren't blood or adopted.  I think they should go into the notes.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dora 
Smith

Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

I haven't done much data entry in Legacy, since I prefer to use PAF for
that, but I did do some relatively data cleanup with Legacy, and it
specifically involved a couple of cases where I accidentally had people 
with


multiple parents or intended to end up with multiple parents after merging
17th century emigrants with common identities and assortments of 
theoretical


parents - I had several cases where it made sense to do that.   I don't
remember specifically how to do it but it was intuitive to someone used to
PAF and not at all hard.

After you enter children, you can change the nature of their relationship
with their parents.  Usually you either get the menu of things to edit for 
a


specific person and pick edit parent links, or right click on the person 
and


choose edit parent links.

I don't know if foster children is specifically an option, but adopted
children certainly is, and you can always explain further in the notes. 
If


these are foster children who you are listing as members of the family, 
they


weren't in and out foster children; they must have been raised by this
couple, which makes them in the same sort of relationship as adopted
children.

Though I would explain in the notes.   That would help explain, for
instance, if you later add the biological parents for the children!   If
they weren't adopted, they got their birth certificates and information
about their biological parents when tehy came of age, if they did not
already know who they were.   I know because my mother in law was raised 
by

foster parents after being given up for adoption at birth.  If she ever
gives me information about them (which she really should, since that is 
who

raised her), then I will enter her as a foster child of those parents.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife

2006-07-22 Thread Anne Hildrum


Sure if bloodline is all you want.
Legacy however does have the option of adoption,
which is not bloodline.

I totally agree that you need to document it, but that is the
great thing about most programs, you can put in adopted children,
as well as stepchildren and fosterchildren, and they will be marked in
your reports as such, of course Legacy today will only allow two people
to be represented correctly if they are of different sex. That is not a 
problem
for me if the other person is totally unrelated to the rest of my file, as I 
just make thye
comment that legacy isn't able to handle todays realities, whereas it does 
create a problem,
if both are already connected in my base, as I then have to choose which one 
is

going to be marked erronously as a male/female.

Anne

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife


Genelogy is all about "genes" - i.e. the bloodline. Either an individual 
is

in the bloodline or not. In this case if the mother of the child is indeed
in the bloodline then the partner relationship actually has no bearing on
the situation. But if the mother is not in the bloodline then actually 
none
should be included in the data base as there is no blood relationship to 
the

ancestors. The child will be eligible for inclusion in the fathers
biologicial line but not the mothers. If you wish to make an inelegible
exception and include the nuclear family for social reasons just make sure
that all is well documented.

TomM

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne
Hildrum
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:02 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife


From: "C.G. Ouimet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




A recurring theme ...

While it may be legally possible and socially acceptable to have
partners of the same gender, it is biologically and genealogically

impossible.

Legacy currently operates on biology/genealogy principles as all
genealogy programs and databases should.

Allowing same gender parents would lead to much confusion as files
containing such relationships get passed on.


I wonder why. It is as you say legally possble, one is the biological and
the other has adopted the child and they live together, why would the
adoptive female be so much different than an adoptive male?

Actually what is confusing is when you do send a tree on its way today it
contain errors as in the commented case, one of the females ends up as a
male. My solution is just to make a comment that the person is in fact
female/male, but Legacy can't deal with todays reality. Some other 
programs

do handle this.

You say "Legacy currently operates on biology/genealogy principles  as all
genealogy programs and databases should"

That of course is not entirely correct as it do accept adoptions as long 
as
they are between two of different sex, but that does not have anything to 
do
with biology/genealogy principles. It does also have a isp name 
familytree,

so I guess they didn't think only biology when they started it.

Anne




At 2006/07/21 05:29, you wrote:

I have scoured every corner of Legacy and can't work out this problem.
I assume that it cannot be done, but wonder if anyone else has faced
this situation and found a solution.

In my tree, I have a family with two female parents who have a child.
One is the biological parent, the other has adopted the child. I have
been able to set the labels for the two women as Partners and their
relationship as a life partnership, but cannot assign a correct gender
for both of them.
Legacy seems to insist that they are husband and wife and married, and
tells me that I cannot assign the same gender to a husband and wife
This despite checking the box "This couple never married."

I also have a few family members who kept their maiden names. I can't
find a place to have them show up with their maiden names if they have
a husband.

I guess I just have a strange family, eh?

Judie



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife

2006-07-21 Thread Anne Hildrum



From: "C.G. Ouimet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




A recurring theme ...

While it may be legally possible and socially acceptable to have partners 
of the same gender, it is biologically and genealogically impossible. 
Legacy currently operates on biology/genealogy principles as all genealogy 
programs and databases should.


Allowing same gender parents would lead to much confusion as files 
containing such relationships get passed on.


I wonder why. It is as you say legally possble, one is the biological
and the other has adopted the child and they live together, why
would the adoptive female be so much different than an adoptive male?

Actually what is confusing is when you do send a tree on its way
today it contain errors as in the commented case, one of the females
ends up as a male. My solution is just to make a comment that the person is
in fact female/male, but Legacy can't deal with todays reality. Some other
programs do handle this.

You say "Legacy currently operates on biology/genealogy principles
as all genealogy programs and databases should"

That of course is not entirely correct as it do accept adoptions as long as
they are between two of different sex, but that does not have anything to do
with biology/genealogy principles. It does also have a isp name familytree,
so I guess they didn't think only biology when they started it.

Anne




At 2006/07/21 05:29, you wrote:

I have scoured every corner of Legacy and can't work out this problem. I
assume that it cannot be done, but wonder if anyone else has faced this
situation and found a solution.

In my tree, I have a family with two female parents who have a child. One 
is
the biological parent, the other has adopted the child. I have been able 
to

set the labels for the two women as Partners and their relationship as a
life partnership, but cannot assign a correct gender for both of them.
Legacy seems to insist that they are husband and wife and married, and 
tells

me that I cannot assign the same gender to a husband and wife This despite
checking the box "This couple never married."

I also have a few family members who kept their maiden names. I can't find 
a

place to have them show up with their maiden names if they have a husband.

I guess I just have a strange family, eh?

Judie



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