RE: [LegacyUG] Duplicate messages

[Brian Lightfoot]

Yup. Doubled up here for what appears to be about 1/2 a day's postings.



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beverly
Locke
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:34 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Duplicate messages

I am receiving 2 copies of every message on the Legacy User group.  I use
Outlook 2007 and it has been a little cranky lately, but I belong to other
mailing lists as well and Legacy is the only one consistently showing up
with duplicates.  Is anyone else running into this?





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RE: [LegacyUG] Email list for legacy solutions only?

[Brian Lightfoot]

What you are asking for is a support forum with threaded subjects, something
that many other companies with products and services have already set up.
For example, there could be specific categories for sources, one for bug
reports, one for installation problems, one for charting, etc. In addition,
such forums tend to eliminate the users receiving copies of each and every
message posted, including those messages to which the user has no interest.
Many forums allow the user to specify something along the lines of "notify
me of all responses to this message" which means they would receive an
e-mail notification about the message subject to which they have expressed
an interest. On the downside, what the user may miss is a new subject opened
to which they may have a great interest but have no knowledge that it was
ever posted. This requires the user to visit the forum web site to check for
new subject matter being posted. Why Millenia has not gone this route is a
mystery to many of us as it would eliminate the constantly repeating message
of "plain text only", etc. Maybe we'll see it sometime in the future.

 

Brian

 

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Wakenhut
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 12:11 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Email list for legacy solutions only?

 

Would it be possible to set up a special email list limited to those of us
whom have specific questions about using Legacy?  Not to complain, but many
of us do not have the time to read a large volume of emails from people who
have complaints about the service or just want to chat.  I could further
explain my question but then I would only be adding to the problem.
 
Thank you,  
 
Al




 

 

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RE: [LegacyUG] New V. 7

[Brian Lightfoot]

And what about discount prices for users that don't have a printer connected
to their computer? Or even those that may be using an older 13" CRT instead
of a 22" wide screen flat panel monitor. Wait a minute...some users are on a
56K dial-up so they should receive a discount over those on broadband. Or
how about "My ISP sucks so I should receive a discount." Or how about a
discount for Mac users running a Windows emulator? I can see it now:
Millenia has to come out with a dozen different versions of Legacy. Nope,
sorry. This is an idea that needs to die a quick death.


Brian

> - Original Message 
> From: Pat Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 3:50:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New V. 7
>
> There should be a discounted upgrade price for those that don't have or
cannot have IE7--as we cannot use the "deluxe" map feature.  I have a job
with several communication tools that require that I NOT have IE7, so I
don't have a choice of whether to have it or not.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Relationship Report

[Brian Lightfoot]

I also have been critical of Legacy's Relationship Calculator in that it is
ambiguous at times and not so easy to obtain a simple and complete report.
That being said, I also find that it does the job, just in its own way. In
your example, I might suggest that from the Relationship Calculator window
you click on "Print.". From there make sure "Print all relationships" is
selected and then click on Preview. Let us know if it correctly shows your
other relationships.

 

Brian

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:56 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: Relationship Report

 

Jay... I have used the Legacy relationship calculator and it does show the
closest relationship, but not the complete relationship. If I type in my
name and my cousin's name it shows 7th cousin and the names of the common
ancestors. But it does not go beyond the single relationship. We are also
9th, 10th, 12th, etc. which is shown in the FTM2006 software. 

 

Why is this important to me? Generations ago, one of my lines married a lot
of first cousins (explains a lot - right?). So, not only is my father my
father, he is also my 4th, etc. cousin. I really want to see a list of ALL
of the relationships. I think FTM shows all of them... even up to 20+
cousin-level.

 

Thanks,

Carol





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RE: [LegacyUG] v7 manual vs reality

[Brian Lightfoot]

Oh the other hand, selling vaporware is supposed to be a good thing?

 

Brian

 

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wynthner
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 9:36 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] v7 manual vs reality

 

I would beg to differ... it could hurt- a LOT!

 

Doing so might, just possibly might, show just how incomplete the original
release of version 7 is compared to what it was supposed to be.

That would be a huge, HUGE, marketing blunder for any company to make, and I
doubt the Legace people would even consider doing such a thing.



 

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From: Thomas Herson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:30:32 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] v7 manual vs reality

It's not only in politics that "getting ahead of the story" is useful. I
really believe that if Legacy would send out a list, via this user group, of
features and processes which are in the manual but which have not yet been
implented at all (like the source converter) or which do not work exactly as
stated in the manual, it would eliminate a lot of confusion on the part of
users.

 

It couldn't hurt.

 

 

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RE: [LegacyUG] Calculating Relationships

[Brian Lightfoot]

Aha!  Thanks much for that tip, Margaret. I did indeed try the
"Print...Preview" option and at first was very disappointed but once I
figured out one must also check the "Print All The Relationships", then it
is very clear. For example, it would end up stating "John Smith and Mary
Jones are 1st cousins", which is all I wanted to see in the first place.

That is what I call simple and to the point. The actual Calculate
Relationship windows with the left and right names sort of side-steps this
simplicity by putting the "1st cousin" relationship right next to the names
of the grandparents and not next to the names of the right-left names that
one had entered.

At any rate, this solution exists with simple, direct information. Thanks
again.

Brian


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Margaret
Couch
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 8:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Calculating Relationships

Brian
I'd like to suggest you do one more thing - when you are in the Calculate
Relationships area and after you have calculated the relationships, click
the PRINT button (next to the 'calculate relationships' button)and preview
the resulting chart, you might find it makes the whole thing a whole lot
clearer. 

-- 
Kind Regards
Margaret
 




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RE: [LegacyUG] Calculating Relationships

[Brian Lightfoot]

Thanks Heather for going through the steps to figure out what I was saying.
And you have stated it exactly. 

 

I guess what I'm trying to bring to light is that these additional
relationships are not easily discerned; those experienced uses of Legacy can
look at the information presented and tell what is up but it is not obvious
to the un-initiated. On the Calculate Relationships window there is the box
in the upper right portion of the window that says "Relationship". This is
where you expect the answer to appear after one clicks on the "Calculate"
button. As I previously stated, when one clicks on such married cousins,
Legacy responds with only the word husband or wife in this "answer box". But
then Legacy goes on to list in a separate area below the "answer box" the
names of any common ancestors. It is on this line of information about
common ancestors that I have the greatest problem with the information as
presented by Legacy.

 

For example, let's say John Smith married his cousin Mary Smith. Legacy's
official answer in the "relationship" box is that they were husband or wife.
OK, that's a no-brainer. Below that Legacy will list common ancestors.
Legacy will first list them all over again as husband (/Wife). In your
example quoted below, you stated that "They are listed as the common
ancestor, because that is how they are related." To me that is redundant as
Legacy already shows their relationship in that "Relationship" box in the
upper right, but we can all get over that and move on to the next line of
common ancestors.

 

This second line of common ancestors is the more troubling for me. While
long time users of Legacy may be able to look at it and immediately be able
to tell what it really means, the information as presented could be
confusing. In your example, you said it lists the grandparents and it says
that John and Mary are 1st cousins. But take a good look at the line of
information again. It lists two different names in which each surname could
be different than the married cousins currently under examination. Nowhere
does it say that these are the grandparents. In your example I suspect that
you immediately recognize these names as their grandparents or you have
previous knowledge that they are the grandparents. Legacy merely lists two
names and then says first cousins. What is not clear is just who are the 1st
cousins? The simplest logic would be that this line of info means that the
two names shown are first cousins to each other. After all that line of info
could read exactly as follows "James Smith and Jane Doe...1cousin". Right
there is where I have the problem with Legacy's method of presenting the
info. Show that line of info to any of your relatives or friends that are
not Legacy long-time users and ask them what they think that line of
information means. The answer will most likely be that James Smith and Jane
Doe must have been 1st cousins but as you and I now know that what Legacy is
trying to say that James Smith and Jane Doe are the closest common ancestors
to the subjects of the relationship calculation and that the 1st cousin
designation belongs to those subjects under comparison and not to the names
on the common ancestor line.

 

While I no longer use FTM (or even FTM2008), I can remember that under
similar circumstances when calculating the relationship of married cousins,
FTM would not even bother stating the obvious that they were husband/wife,
but would immediately state that they were "1st cousins" (or what the case
would be) in its resulting answer box. In hindsight, I'm not too sure if FTM
even bothered listing the common ancestors or if it even was able to do
that. I think that took and extra step if the user desired to see the info.

 

OK, now that I know how things work, it's time to carry on. Thanks for your
help.

 

 

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather
Stovold
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 1:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Calculating Relationships

 

Ok, I brought up a case of 1st cousins marrying in the Relationship
Calculator to see if I can figure out what you are saying/asking 

 

With my file, I have a John Smart and a Mary Smart who married who are 1st
cousins.  We have a few generations back in the file as well.

 

In the relationship calendar, I see 3 main "zones".   The top area shows
that with the information I have in my file, John and Mary are related in 4
different ways.   (there are 4 lines of information...)  On each line of
info - to the left, it lists the common ancestor(s).  To the right, it lists
the relationship of John and Mary to EACH OTHER (not the ancestor) when you
calculate it from the listed common ancestor.The information is ordered
from the most close relationship to the furthest.

 

So - for the first line of information - on the right it says that John and
Mary are Husband (/Wife).  They are listed as the common ancestor, because
tha

RE: [LegacyUG] Calculating Relationships

[Brian Lightfoot]

After spending a great deal of time between the Relationship Calculator Help
file and trying out various instances of intermarriage, I see that Legacy
may have the information there but it is not obvious as to what the true
meaning is. This takes a little explanation.

For example, in my case of 2nd cousins being married, using the Relationship
Calculator Legacy is insistent on showing the relationship as "husband" or
"wife", as if that weren't obvious given the fact that the user would have
entered their names onto the family view pages as husband and wife.

What the user would need to do when exploring relationships from
intermarriages would be to ignore/bypass the supposed result window entitled
"Relationship" after clicking on the "Calculate Relationships" button, and
then view the list of "Common Ancestors" that may appear below it.
Strangely, this list of common ancestors will start off showing the name of
the husband and wife once again. What purpose that redundancy serves is
beyond me. I believe that the names of the next set of common ancestors will
give the additional relationship of the husband and wife.

OK, a little humility is needed here. I am no expert at doing these
calculations in my head and quite frankly I cannot come up with something
like "7th grand uncle three times removed" without using a computer. So my
first viewing of these "Common Ancestors" when calculating the relationships
of known cousins that married had me very perplexed as to the meaning of why
the names of these common ancestors were being shown. At first I thought it
meant that each spouse was related to the common ancestor with the
relationship as shown. But apparently Legacy means that this relationship
that is shown for the common ancestor is an additional relationship between
the husband and wife. In my example of the married second cousins, the first
set of common ancestors (after the redundant listing of the husband and wife
again) shows "2nd cousin". 

Here is where I may have misunderstood things. At first, I thought that this
designation meant ONLY that each spouse was related to those shown as the
common ancestor as being their 2nd cousin. I'm no expert on the infinite
relationship possibilities but I thought it entirely possible that a husband
and wife could both be 2nd cousins to other people without being 2nd cousins
to each other. Maybe that's wrong and if a husband and wife are both 2nd
cousins to other people then they MUST be 2nd cousins to each other. If
that's the case, then Legacy has the correct answer -- not necessarily clear
to us humans, but nonetheless the correct answer.

Why can't there be something as simple as stating they (the husband and
wife) were 2nd cousins? How does FTM manage to make it so simple?

Just to complicate my one particular example of married 2nd cousins, Legacy
shows a next set of common ancestors as 3rd cousins. I'm not sure if this
occurs in all cases of married cousins or if it means their first set of
common ancestors were also married cousins. Wow, interesting.

Brian



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Calculating Relationships

If you use the Relationship Calculator (Tools Menu if you don't have 
an icon for it on the Toolbar), and not just Set Relationships, 
Legacy will show all the relationships between the two.

In Legacy 7, there is a + at the end of the Relationship in Family 
View that indicates there is more than one way that the two are related.

Cathy

At 08:51 AM 24/05/2008, you wrote:
>I've come across an interesting comparison between Legacy and FTM regarding
>how each program can calculate relationships.
>
>Within my database I've got several marriages in which both spouse show the
>identical same relationship to me, i.e. 4th cousin twice removed. Family
>Tree Maker will show these individuals not only was "husband" or "wife" but
>as "2nd cousins" to each other and in some other instances FTM will also
>indicate "1st cousins". I find a limitation within Legacy in that it will
>show only the married relationship (wife or husband) to each other and
fails
>to indicate any relationship of being cousins to each other. In many
>examples, the relationship is obvious as the maiden surname of the wife was
>the same as the surname of the husband.
>
>How do I get Legacy to indicate that they were actually cousins to each
>other and not just only the obvious married relationship. Am I not looking
>at this correctly?
>
>
> Brian L. Lightfoot





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[LegacyUG] Calculating Relationships

[Brian Lightfoot]

I've come across an interesting comparison between Legacy and FTM regarding
how each program can calculate relationships.

Within my database I've got several marriages in which both spouse show the
identical same relationship to me, i.e. 4th cousin twice removed. Family
Tree Maker will show these individuals not only was "husband" or "wife" but
as "2nd cousins" to each other and in some other instances FTM will also
indicate "1st cousins". I find a limitation within Legacy in that it will
show only the married relationship (wife or husband) to each other and fails
to indicate any relationship of being cousins to each other. In many
examples, the relationship is obvious as the maiden surname of the wife was
the same as the surname of the husband.

How do I get Legacy to indicate that they were actually cousins to each
other and not just only the obvious married relationship. Am I not looking
at this correctly?


    Brian L. Lightfoot





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RE: [LegacyUG] Repeated emails.

[Brian Lightfoot]

-Original Message-
 Just highlight them all as a group and hit the delete 
key.

Gary Templeman



I couldn't agree more with that last statement but I'm still sitting here
shaking my head with a big grin on it. After the third such identical
message I recognized it as a hiccup in the list server. But I'm more amazed
that some users have failed to recognize such a hiccup and are keeping a
running total of the number of messages received and some even logging the
time of day sent and received. I think the DELETE key on their computers
must be broken.   :-)

Brian





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RE: [LegacyUG] Quoted Names In Given Field for Reports and Charts

[Brian Lightfoot]

I just wanted to compliment Cathy on a very nice, concise explanation of
when to use Quoted names vs. AKA names. Your examples were very well
explained and should be a help to all genealogists, let alone Legacy users.

Brian


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quoted Names In Given Field for Reports and Charts

Hi John,

Whether I use a Quoted Name or an AKA is a decision I make on an 
individual basis after asking the question "Do I want this name to be 
the one used in narratives?" If yes - it has to be a quoted name. If 
no - it's an AKA.

I think the difference is between a name that is always or mostly 
used by everyoneor almost everyone (familiar) as opposed to a name 
that is used by a few (nickname).

For example: My mother was known as Joyce. This was her third given 
name so it would be wrong to call it a nickname but to have it used 
in narrative it must be added as a Quoted Name.
Her school friends called her "T". All her life she received letters 
from some which began "Dear T".
This is a nickname that I have in the AKAs.

Her brother was known as Roy. This wasn't one of his given names so a 
true nickname but everyone knew him as Roy all his life - so it's 
entered as a Quoted Name.
Another example: My nephew Richard is mostly known as Richard. 
However many of his cousins call him "Wretched" and he still signs 
himself "Wretched" in some situations (and so he was for a short time 
in his adolescence ;-) but not now as a father of 4). I've entered it 
as an AKA as it's not in general use - however I wouldn't want to 
ignore it as it's there in letters and cards.

Cathy

At 10:00 AM 1/05/2008, you wrote:
>Thanks.
>
>For some reason, which I thought I saw in LegacyUG that some might 
>enter Nick names via [[ ]]
>
>When looking at the help it seems to imply to use AKA for Nicknames 
>and use double quotes for familiar names.
>I guess I've always thought a familiar name was a nickname.
>
>I'm going to go back and start using double quotes for familiar names.
>
>1) What's the difference between a familiar name and a nick name?
>
> From Help section:
>
>Given
>
>Enter all the given names for the individual.  This includes the 
>first name and all middle names.  Don't include nicknames or 
>alternate names which should be entered by clicking on the  icon to 
>the right of the Surname field. Given names can be up to 120 characters
long.
>
>
>
>You can enter a "familiar" name as part of the given names by 
>enclosing it in quotes.  For example, Margaret "Peggy" Ann.  This 
>familiar name can then be used in narrative paragraphs when a book 
>report is generated.  (See the Use Quoted Names for Narratives topic 
>in the Format tab section of Report Options.)
>
>thanks,
>john





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources and the elusive version 7 .... again.

[Brian Lightfoot]

I'm not completely sold on the idea that given an identical source document
such as a specific census page, that one needs to specify just where they
happened to look at the digital image. That census page is the same no
matter where you look at it or who supplied you the copy or image of it. The
fact that Ancestry's image may not be as clear as Heritage's has nothing to
do with the document itself but rather the user's ability to discern the
correctness of what he perceives to be the data. If one were to follow your
suggestion then should we not specify the exact library of where we read a
book that was cited as a source? After all, the pages on a book at the
Chicago library may not be as dirty or have as much graffiti as the same
exact book in the New York library. 

Brian


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janis
Gilmore
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:35 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources and the elusive version 7  again.

John and Randolph,

But the purpose of a citation is to clearly state what your source was. If
your source for the digital image was Ancestry.com, then your source should
state that. If you didn't look at the original microfilm publication at
NARA, your source shouldn't imply that you did. 

There are many cases in which the digital image for a census page is much
clearer on Heritage Quest than it is on Ancestry, and (of course) the
reverse. Perhaps you might misinterpret data for a particular census family
because you are working from a poor scan. By citing where you actually saw
the image, you are explaining potential discrepancies between your research
and another person's research.

And by the way, if I sound as if I think I have it all figured out - I
don't. I am just finding my way step by step, like everyone else on this
list :-) My methods are constantly evolving; I have learned an enormous
amount from belonging to the APG list, and the Transitional Genealogy lists.


I do agree with Elizabeth that a more streamlined form for sourcing is
appropriate in many situations. I disagree, however, that those who have
chosen to conform to what has become the de facto standard (Mills) are
"snooty." Most are just working hard toward publishing in one of the
genealogical or historical quarterlies, or toward certification by BCG or
ICAPGEN.

Janis 





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RE: [LegacyUG] Re: asking questions associated with Legacy

[Brian Lightfoot]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jackie King
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 5:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re: asking questions associated with Legacy

[Brian L. Lightfoot] 

(And might I mention that personally I loathe PDF's. As someone who will 
probably be stuck on dialup well into the next century due to lack of 
providers in this area - they are a bane of my existance. Give me a 
large word document anytime.) 8^)

Jackie


[Brian L. Lightfoot] Now here's a scenario. You discover a third cousin on
the other side of the country who has prepared a 200 page document complete
with pictures and scanned documents all about your family history and it
provides several generations that are missing in your own Legacy database.
The only problem is that your cousin is using a MacIntosh. Should you:
 1. Ask your cousin to go out and buy a PC just so you can read his
document.
 2. Go out and buy yourself a Mac just so you can read his document.
 3. Ask your cousin to save the document in PDF format while you eat
crow.

Even the first two options above are a crap-shoot because of the potential
problem of "font-substitution". Perhaps your cousin is weird and saved the
document using some special font that only he and three other people on the
entire planet have ever seen. On your own computer, in an attempt to display
the document, this nasty little thing called "font substitution" raises it
head and completely disrupts all the neatly laid out outlines, paragraphs,
and tabs that made the document so easily readable.

That's why God commanded Adobe to bring forth the portable document format.
And they all lived happily ever after. The End.






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RE: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag

[Brian Lightfoot]

I recall hearing some time ago the sad statistical analysis of DNA studies
and it was estimated that something like upwards of 20% of the people that
think they are related actually aren't. That's a dirty little secret we all
prefer to ignore.

 

Brian

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shirl
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag

 

 

I wasn't going to comment on this subject; but changed my mind.

NO family has pure blood lines.

 

I have met many people who have taken their family trees back to the 1300's.

 You would be so amazed what they have found.

 

Years and years ago there was  no such thing as a legal adoption.

So often baby's and orphans would be brought into a home and  literally take
on the family's surname.

 

As I said no one's blood lines are pure.

Many many years ago people moved form one country to another during periods
of religious persecutions.

Then  a couple of generations later would come back to their native country
but along with many  family members who had married in the other country.


 

Years ago people  were held in shame if they had a child and were not
married; and thus it was hidden and a family secret.

 So often the Grabnparentsraised the child as their own and even had them
batized and Christened as their own and in census it would show up as a
sibling  rather than a grandchild.

 

The list goes on and on.

 

No one will ever no for sure the excat orign of some of our ancestors except
for our Creator.

God created every child and whats important is  who and what the person grew
up to be and not in the actual surname.  

 

I admire any single mother or father.

Yes incest was very prevalent in some countries as well as the British Isles
years ago.

At least they wern't being aborted like the millions of babies are today.

 

I close my  thoughts with knowing that we are all God's children and so were
all our wonderful ancestors; despite how  , where and when they may have
been  conceived.

Shirl

 

 





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RE: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0

[Brian Lightfoot]

Just thought that I'd chime in here about the downside of using hyperlinks
in any sort of archival genealogical program or document, such as Legacy.
The problem with invalid links is not necessarily due to the web site being
taken down at some point in the future but rather a periodic reorganization
and renaming of html files and folders that renders that static link
invalid.  The next time you click on any web link and get the infamous "page
not found" error, try removing all extraneous path info in the URL except
for the root domain name. You'll probably find the web site is alive and
well and you might be able to navigate to the actual page that you wanted to
get in the first place. This happens all too often with personal web sites
with genealogical files on it. Whenever the owner generates a new set of
files, the document names probably change or even worse, he renames or add
folders, thereby rendering all existing links invalid. For this reason
alone, any link in your Legacy file is probably not a good idea.

 

Brian

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christina
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:54 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0

 

I have a question about linking to websites. Wouldn't you be concerned about
the link breaking because the website is taken down. If so, do you have to
go back on your links and keep checking?

Is there a warning that comes up when you access a file that would indicate
a link is broken?

Just a thought,
Christina

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:41 AM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Linking to pictures at online locations is something I'd never thought
of.  Interesting.


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RE: [LegacyUG] Blended Family?

[Brian Lightfoot]

Yes, you know that; I know that; but the big question is whether a census
enumerator knew the difference. Or whether the parents even knew the
difference. In most cases, sadly the answer is no. I have one case in which
a daughter appears on one census as "adopted daughter" and on the next as
"foster daughter". In the 1800s there are probably many cases in which
children were sent off to relatives or strangers for the up-bringing and
usually there were no formal adoption papers. If the children were young
enough, their surnames were changed. The bad news is that most of us are
probably  following relatives that actually have no relationship whatsoever
to us.

Brian

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne
Martell
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:28 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Blended Family?

Foster child and step child are two different things.

   Foster child ... "a child raised by someone who is not its natural or 
adoptive parent"

   Step child ... "a son or daughter from another marriage of a person's 
wife or husband"

___
Wayne Martell
Victoria, BC, Canada


- Original Message - 
From: Kirsten Bowman
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:56 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Blended Family?


Gene:

You're correct about the term, of course.  "Stepchild" was the word used in
the original documents but in today's terminology they would probably be
foster children.  (I don't think there was any actual adoption.)  Changing
the children's settings doesn't appear to have any effect on the Descendant
Book Report, though, and probably wouldn't be reflected in my GEDCOM posted
at RootsWeb--which is what I'm really after--except perhaps in Notes or
Events (which I don't post).

Is it hopeless then?

Kirsten




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RE: [LegacyUG] Geo database bug??

[Brian Lightfoot]

Don't you just hate it when Sherry provides facts!!  :-)

I even checked the USGenWeb site for the parish at http://www.lagenweb.org/
and it also spells it without the space. I was hoping to find an article
there about the history or formation of the parish but that particular web
site is painfully small and lacks the usual complement of area history and
other information.

Brian


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Sherry/Support
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:41 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Geo database bug??

Maybe the parish library has it wrong?
http://www.lasalle.lib.la.us/AboutUs.html

Or the school board?   http://www.lasallepsb.com/

And on the Louisiana State website
http://www.louisiana.gov/wps/wcm/connect/Louisiana.gov/Home, every instance
had no space.

I felt that the spelling as used on official websites was the most correct.

I don't trust Wikipedia as a definitive source because who knows who has
contributed the information?

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
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Millennia Corporation
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RE: [LegacyUG] Font size in uploaded pages.

[Brian Lightfoot]

Sherry's comments are correct about other viewers having the capability to
increase font size of the entire HTML doc being view. Some scroll mice have
a built-in button for this function and in addition you'll find that just
CTRL and the + or - keys will also do the same. (Works in IE and Firefox).

Unless you are handy at doing your own HTML editing, Legacy offers very
little control over the HTML that is output. It's sort of like "this is the
way it's going to be and you can't do anything about it". But don't fret --
many other genealogical programs don't even offer to output to HTML. I think
Legacy is ahead of the game here but I'd like to see some more customization
(and even consistency) in creating HTML documents. Maybe even allow the user
to create their own "style sheet" for sources, data, etc. and that style
sheet will be used in the HTML output (wish list item #6,783).

Other than doing your own HTML editing (not really suggested unless you are
a glutton for punishment), you can opt to have a GEDCOM output to HTML using
any one of many GEDCOM-to-HTML programs out there. One that I've used in the
past is Ged2Web (just Google it) but once again, you'll lose any chance to
make your own customizations although I find the font size choices are
usually a little more consistent and generally acceptable.

Brian



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sherry/Support
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Font size in uploaded pages.

In Legacy, there's no way to customize the font sizes at this time.

The viewer of the website can increase the font sizes for the whole web
page, not specific sections.  In IE, hold down the ctrl key and roll the
scroll wheel on the mouse or go to View > Text size and change the size of
the fonts.

If those features aren't working quite right, go to Tools > Internet Options
and on the General Tab, click on the Accessibility button.  Then select
"ignore font sizes on web pages".  I've found for some websites I need to
set this feature in order for the fonts to enlarge or shrink properly.

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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We are changing the world of genealogy!

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Underwood
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:03 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Font size in uploaded pages.

Is there an easy way to increase the font size on uploaded tree pages?
 
My first attempt is now online, a typical page being 
 
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/underwoods/overalltree/494.htm
 
I would like to increase the font size of the 'vital statistics' of born,
christened etc to the same size as the text of the Sources.
 
I am using Legacy 6.0 Standard, and I'm far from a programming expert!
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Font size in uploaded pages.

[Brian Lightfoot]

But that misses the point of his question. Yes, anyone can increase or
decrease the font size of the ENTIRE HTML doc that is being view but his
question was how to make the font size of the vitals to be the same as the
font size as the sources.  As Sherry pointed out, one cannot do this within
Legacy as those sizes are all hard coded into the program and the user has
no control over the output. Maybe Legacy 8.0?

Brian


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Myrick
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:45 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Font size in uploaded pages.

On the View menu, set your cursor on Text Size. It will give you
some other options.

Kent Myrick
- Original Message - 
From: Paul Underwood 
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Font size in uploaded pages.

Is there an easy way to increase the font size on uploaded tree pages?
 
My first attempt is now online, a typical page being 
 
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/underwoods/overalltree/494.htm
 
I would like to increase the font size of the 'vital statistics' of born,
christened etc to the same size as the text of the Sources.
 
I am using Legacy 6.0 Standard, and I'm far from a programming expert!
 
Paul Underwood




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RE: [LegacyUG] Backing Up Legacy Files

[Brian Lightfoot]

I still have a very old hard drive left over from the first 486 that I
built. It is now used on a Win98 computer for the grandkids with games only
on it. The holds a whopping 110 megabytes.

Yes, folks, while technology is getting better, manufacturing practices
certainly aren't. I've said this before: we still have the original
photographs around that were taken in the Civil War. Your BEST archival
method for your family files is a hard copy print out on acid-free paper and
stored properly. Then you don't have to worry about technological changes,
bit rot, magnetism, or alien abductions.

Brian


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Carter
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing Up Legacy Files

It very much depends on the brand and model.  In the past six months I've
recovered data (for other people) from a 3 year old Western Digital IDE
drive (not bootable) and an 18 month old Samsung SATA drive (bad sectors
and not bootable).  These were both desktop PCs, so not subject to the
mechanical abuse that laptops receive.  On the other hand, I have an
ancient laptop that runs almost 24/7 on a drive that was used and of
unknown age when installed 3 years ago.

Thinking "no-years" leads to good backup practices ;-)

John

> I heard 5 years, then I heard 2 years, then some-one told me they'd had
> disks go bad in under one year.  I'm down to thinking no-years.  I think
> it's one of those things where if it works - great!  If it doesn't, good
> thing I had another plan.   I use external hard-drives, flash-drives,
> online storage (Mozy) and email.
>
> JL
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RE: [LegacyUG] Frustrated- constant errors trying to back up file

[Brian Lightfoot]

I think Rich probably has the right idea in that insufficient disk space may
result in the error given. But I'm also confused a little over the path that
the original poster provided especially when the error was "invalid path".
This may have only been a typing error in the e-mail message but "
C/legacy/temp/LG~0.tmp" would not be a valid path unless the poster meant to
type "C:/legacy...". I also think the file locations on her Legacy
installation may have gotten hosed or somehow changed. She needs to recheck
them: Menu item OPTIONS / CUSTOMIZE... Then select the LOCATIONS tab and
either change or reset the default location of the family files. In addition
and especially because of the error previously mentioned, she needs to look
at the TEMP location provided to Legacy and either change that to a valid
path or just click on the reset button.

Hope that helps.


Brian


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD
SCHULTHIES
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:29 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Frustrated- constant errors trying to back up file

This is probalbly not the problem, but is there enough
disk space in the various destinations. What do you
mean by 'any number of techniques to backup either of
those files'? Do you backup up on top of old ones (I
do), or to new space (multiple backups). 
That can eat up disk space in a hurry. If you need
help checking file space/size you can send privately
to me.
Rich in LA CA
--- Dawn Del Guercio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have been using Legacy Deluxe for a few weeks now,
> and generally  I like
> it.  However, after several days of frustrating
> attempts to retry and work
> around this problem, I am at the end of my rope
> trying to backup my family
> files. I am using build (6.0.0.190) of the deluxe
> version.
> 
> When I first started using Legacy a few weeks ago,
> everything was fine.  I
> backed up a few times (both family and media files)
> with no problem.   Now I
> am getting errors whenever I try any number of
> techniques to backup either
> of those files.  I started with the obvious- "file-
> backup family file".
> I've tried using different locations, and even tried
> it on two different
> computers, and I keep getting "Backup Error 504;
> cannot create temporary
> file".
> 
> When I try to back up my media files, I get a
> different but just as
> consistent error: "Error 3044.
> C/legacy/temp/LG~0.tmp is not a valid path.
> Make sure that the path name is spelled correctly
> and that you are
> connected to the server on which the file resides". 
> I am aware of typical
> naming conventions and used an older convention
> "legacybackup20080317, or
> LegacyBackup2008_03_17" and neither works.
> 
> I spent an hour and a half tonight just trying to
> backup my files, and I'm
> really aggravated now.  I read the help files,
> searched the usergroup
> archives, and couldn't find anything close to this
> problem.  Please HELP.
> Thanks, Dawn Del Guercio
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RE: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart -> Alternate Names

[Brian Lightfoot]

I'm leaning in the direction that the ability to add Alternate Names to the
Index is desirable under certain circumstances. For example, Alternate Names
are not just spelling variations or nicknames but sometimes people go
through the legal process to completely change their birth name. In those
cases, Alternate Names might prove helpful in trying to figure out how the
son of John Stinkelbaum was named John Smith. I'm also leaning in the
direction that Legacy had similar thoughts and the option on the Index is
supposed to be there. It's just that the created Chart is flawed.


Brian

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD
SCHULTHIES
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart -> Alternate Names

I see the situation now. I have duplicated the index,
and the check mark is ignored by the program. I do see
why having the Index reference the AKAs might be
desirable. It would not put the AKA on the Pedigree
chart part (which is 'footprint challenged'), but only
the index (plenty of room). 
As a matter of practice, I personally always delete
all e-mails with HTML and/or attachments unless
pre-warned by a friend. I had a computer fried by a
worm hiding in an HTML that looked innocent, never
again.
Rich in LA CA
--- Brian Lightfoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I believe the original poster was talking about
> creating a Pedigree Chart
> from the Reports option in Legacy, not the Pedigree
> tab. Go to the menu item
> at the very top of the page and select "Reports"
> then select "Report Menu
> (Charts)" (or click on the Reports icon on the
> toolbar). Then click on the
> Pedigree tab of the various types of report options.
> As is typical of all
> the various reports, there is another option to
> include an Index of names
> that can appear on the report.
> 
> The problem that he was reporting was that within
> such an Index of names,
> there is another option to include Alternate Names.
> Cathy reported that it
> should be disabled but isn't. So if you put a check
> mark on the Alternate
> Names option, you'd expect the created index to
> include Alternate names but
> they never show up.
> 
> My question is why would one NOT want Alternate
> Names to be included on this
> type of report (or for just about any type of
> report).
> 
> I guess if you had the chance to view the original
> poster's exact documents
> that he attached, you would have known exactly where
> he was looking. Hope
> that helps.
> 
> 
> Brian
> 




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RE: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart -> Alternate Names

[Brian Lightfoot]

I believe the original poster was talking about creating a Pedigree Chart
from the Reports option in Legacy, not the Pedigree tab. Go to the menu item
at the very top of the page and select "Reports" then select "Report Menu
(Charts)" (or click on the Reports icon on the toolbar). Then click on the
Pedigree tab of the various types of report options. As is typical of all
the various reports, there is another option to include an Index of names
that can appear on the report.

The problem that he was reporting was that within such an Index of names,
there is another option to include Alternate Names. Cathy reported that it
should be disabled but isn't. So if you put a check mark on the Alternate
Names option, you'd expect the created index to include Alternate names but
they never show up.

My question is why would one NOT want Alternate Names to be included on this
type of report (or for just about any type of report).

I guess if you had the chance to view the original poster's exact documents
that he attached, you would have known exactly where he was looking. Hope
that helps.


Brian



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD
SCHULTHIES
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart -> Alternate Names

I am completely confused? I have Deluxe. When I am in
the main page: 
Home-Family-Pedigree-Descendant-Chronology-Index-
Research Guidance.
and am using Pedigree, there are NO index choices
under this. It is a different sub program. Choosing 
Index in the list will not affect the Pedigree one.
I can see the desire to have both names (standard and
AKA), appear your personal pedigree, but the format
for that report/screen is unchangable in that way.
IMHO, it is not a bug, but a work around would be
editting the name to be very long and include both,
then Print the pedigree report, and return the name to
the previous name.
I have been wrong before. Please be more specific if I
am not discussing the place your problem is.
Good luck
Rich in LA CA 
--- Brian Lightfoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Don'tcha jes luv it! That was a perfect example of
> how Internet messages
> fail to convey tonal inflections, etc. If you and I
> were speaking
> face-to-face, I would have immediately understood
> what and how you spoke the
> words "should be".
> 
> Now the big question is if the bug is merely that
> the chart option is not
> being disabled or is Legacy actually intending
> Alternate Names to be
> included on the Index but they are failing to
> appear.
> 
> Can anyone think of good reasons to include
> Alternate Names on a Pedigree
> Chart Name Index? I think I can.
> 
> 
> Brian
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Cathy
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 8:43 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart
> -> Alternate Names
> 
> Oh help.
> The variety of ways one can read "should be"
> 
> I meant "should be and isn't"
> 
> C
> 
> At 11:00 AM 17/03/2008, you wrote:
> 
> >I agree with your assessment that his biggest
> problem seems to be that he
> >has only one name for his chart and I'm not sure if
> he is expecting a
> >Pedigree Chart to go out on the Internet and try to
> fill in the information
> >for him or what.
> >
> >But I also believe that he is pointing out that the
> option to include
> >Alternate Names is available from the Pedigree
> Chart options within Legacy.
> >Contrary to your statement that the option should
> be greyed out, it isn't.
> >And that is a bug. Unless Legacy believes Alternate
> Names should be
> >included, in which case, it still ain't working.
> >
> >Brian
> >
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart -> Alternate Names

[Brian Lightfoot]

Don'tcha jes luv it! That was a perfect example of how Internet messages
fail to convey tonal inflections, etc. If you and I were speaking
face-to-face, I would have immediately understood what and how you spoke the
words "should be".

Now the big question is if the bug is merely that the chart option is not
being disabled or is Legacy actually intending Alternate Names to be
included on the Index but they are failing to appear.

Can anyone think of good reasons to include Alternate Names on a Pedigree
Chart Name Index? I think I can.


Brian

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 8:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart -> Alternate Names

Oh help.
The variety of ways one can read "should be"

I meant "should be and isn't"

C

At 11:00 AM 17/03/2008, you wrote:

>I agree with your assessment that his biggest problem seems to be that he
>has only one name for his chart and I'm not sure if he is expecting a
>Pedigree Chart to go out on the Internet and try to fill in the information
>for him or what.
>
>But I also believe that he is pointing out that the option to include
>Alternate Names is available from the Pedigree Chart options within Legacy.
>Contrary to your statement that the option should be greyed out, it isn't.
>And that is a bug. Unless Legacy believes Alternate Names should be
>included, in which case, it still ain't working.
>
>Brian
>




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RE: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart -> Alternate Names

[Brian Lightfoot]

I agree with your assessment that his biggest problem seems to be that he
has only one name for his chart and I'm not sure if he is expecting a
Pedigree Chart to go out on the Internet and try to fill in the information
for him or what.

But I also believe that he is pointing out that the option to include
Alternate Names is available from the Pedigree Chart options within Legacy.
Contrary to your statement that the option should be greyed out, it isn't.
And that is a bug. Unless Legacy believes Alternate Names should be
included, in which case, it still ain't working.

Brian



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:55 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart -> Alternate Names

Hi John,

Attachments and graphics are against Legacy User Group guidelines. 
Always offer to sent them privately if you feel that they are necessary.

 From what you've sent, you have a bigger problem than no Alternate 
names in the Index,
You don't have any information on the chart except one name.

Are you saying you can't produce a Pedigree Chart at all?
There isn't a bug in Legacy Deluxe Version 6.0.0.190 - you may want 
to reset your options and choose them again OR, especially if that 
doesn't work, close Legacy and delete the pedigree.usr file and then try
again.

But I'll say again - Alternate Names are not included in this report 
and cannot be included as things are at present.
So it doesn't make sense to have them in the index to the chart.
The option to include them should be greyed out.

Cathy

At 07:49 AM 17/03/2008, you wrote:

>See attached which printed
>1) Page 1 and page 2 No Alternate Name PDF
>2) No names indexed not even the one on first page
>
>Cathy wrote:
>>Since the Pedigree Chart doesn't include Alternate Names - note the 
>>option is greyed out, it doesn't make sense to include them in the Index.
>>
>>Cathy
>>
>>At 04:35 AM 17/03/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>>Legacy Deluxe Version 6.0.0.190
>>>
>>>I'm trying to print a Pedigree Chart (This is the one in Legacy 
>>>6.0, not the new Charting Program)
>>>
>>>Reports
>>>Pedigree Chart
>>>Index Options Checked
>>>Index Option Include Alternate Names Checked
>>>
>>>When I do Preview I do not see the Alternate Names
>>>
>>>Trying to create a Pedigree chart that includes Alternate names.
>>>
>>>thanks,
>>>john




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RE: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart -> Alternate Names

[Brian Lightfoot]

I can confirm that the Alternate Names DO NOT appear in the index when I
tried it. I even tried all variations on the Index but could not get any
Alternate Names to appear. Certainly looks like a bug to me unless we both
are doing something wrong. I'm not sure what you mean by "not even the one
on the first page" but all names would appear on my Index without any
problems.  The only hitch in the get-along seems to be the exclusion of
Alternate Names. Maybe the bug is in the fact that the Alternate Names
option is supposed to be disabled on the Index Options for Pedigree Charts.

The other thing that puzzles me is that your name Index only shows only one
name plus one AKA. So your Pedigree Chart shows the limit of what Legacy
knows about the person...and that is only the one name listed on the
Pedigree Chart. Unless I'm missing something else here. 


Brian

PS - I am sending this in plain text. You'll probably get a few comments
about NOT including attachments to this LIST SERVER. You can accomplish the
same effect by uploading the screen grab somewhere on the Internet and then
merely posting a link to the picture.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Magyari
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:49 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports - > Pedigree Chart -> Alternate Names

See attached which printed
1) Page 1 and page 2 No Alternate Name PDF
2) No names indexed not even the one on first page







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RE: [LegacyUG] Back stabbing - was Version 7

[Brian Lightfoot]

I think you'll also find that some people are so thin-skinned that they can
easily misinterpret someone else's intent on a private message. For that
matter, many people often misinterpret intent on publicly posted messages.
That's the nature of the beast when using written or typed communications
which does not carry vocal tones, facial expressions, etc. In the past I've
been guilty of getting bent out of shape over someone's casual remarks but
"in my old age" I've learned to become more mellow.  If you don't agree with
me, I'm going to kill you. :-)

Brian


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GeoSci
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Back stabbing - was Version 7

I have sent private mail - simply to point out something that might be
embarrassing if pointed out in public.  I have never done it to simply
slam someone.
Keith

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Maureen Chambers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Valerie, rather than send your message to the List (as Listers can do
>  nothing about your complaint) it would be more appropriate to address the
>  individuals who send you such messages.  If they persist, block them from
>  your incoming mail - that way you don't have to read anything they have
to
>  say.
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] family updates

[Brian Lightfoot]

I hope you realize that Legacy like most other genealogical software
programs provides of "privatizing" a users GEDCOM file in that all LIVING
individuals would have detailed information removed. Legacy even offers to
change all of their names to "LIVING". Using those options, you can upload
to the Internet without any living relatives seeing their names. In
addition, even if you don't take the steps to privatize your GEDCOM, if you
upload to RootsWeb/Ancestry.com they will automatically removed information
and names for all living persons (defined as born after 1930).

And at the risk of starting another going-nowhere discussion, I continue to
wonder about this. These are the same people whose name, address, and phone
numbers are listed in the phone book, listed at 411 information, had their
birth announcement printed in the paper which gave their parents names, and
probably had a wedding announcement in the newspaper giving the bride's
maiden name. <<>>

Brian


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Skegg
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] family updates

Sorry forgot to mention why I create a CD-ROM over uploading to the
Internet - my immediate family members have let me know they don't
want to find themselves on the Internet. So I create CD-ROMs with a
big note on it - please don't publish this information on the
Internet.
Cheers
Tracy



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RE: [LegacyUG] Problem with size of Info Windows

[Brian Lightfoot]

I don't believe it to be a generic Windows problems because of the dozens of
other applications that I have installed none exhibit this behavior. And I
have no problems within Windows itself. It's only Legacy that has a problem
remembering the last size of a child window. Anybody know the name of the
file in which these settings are stored for Legacy?

Brian


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Shores
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:29 AM
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Problem with size of Info Windows

Yes, I can confirm this.  I thought maybe it was as "Windows" problem and
had not reported it.  It is very annoying to constantly have to re-size.  
La Nell 

Subject: [LegacyUG] Problem with size of Info Windows

Does anybody else have problems with the size of Info and Event Windows
reverting back to what I believe is their “default” small size? 

I have a 21” WS monitor that comes in handy and I always stretch out those
views which provides me plenty of real estate for seeing long location names
and other data. Those views are saved as always but it seems about once
every 20 or so accesses to any such view, it will revert back to the small
size when opened. It's becoming annoying to resize the window over and over
again. I should think this would be a “sticky” setting but for some reason
it's not sticky enough.

    Brian L. Lightfoot





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RE: [LegacyUG] Export of data

[Brian Lightfoot]

Somehow I don't think the marketing people for Legacy will be using this as
a prime example of Legacy's worthiness. :-)

Brian


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nils
Lundeheim
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:30 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Export of data

Hi,
We have the pleasure to use your version 6.0 for 
keeping track of a local Swedish pig breed (Linderödsgrisen).

We would like to export data from Legacy, so that 
we can calculate the degree of inbreeding in the population.

We would like to generate a text file, with 3 
columns, one line for each individual.
The three columns should include info. on id of 
the individual, id of the father, id of the mother

Would that be possible, or do we need to spend 
one or two days, retyping the information ?

Best regards / Nisse L.
#
Nils Lundeheim
Swine Breeding Section
Department of Animal Breeding and Genetics
Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences
Box 7023, S-750 07 Uppsala, Sweden
phone: +46 18 67 45 42; fax: +46 18 67 45 10
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RE: [LegacyUG] Reply Receipts

[Brian Lightfoot]

Maybe they're waiting for some people to turn off their HTML.  :-)

Brian




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Subject: [LegacyUG] Reply Receipts

Hello,

Could everyone PLEASE turn off their reply receipts?!!!

Thank you!

Carol

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[LegacyUG] Problem with size of Info Windows

[Brian Lightfoot]

Does anybody else have problems with the size of Info and Event Windows
reverting back to what I believe is their “default” small size? 

I have a 21” WS monitor that comes in handy and I always stretch out those
views which provides me plenty of real estate for seeing long location names
and other data. Those views are saved as always but it seems about once
every 20 or so accesses to any such view, it will revert back to the small
size when opened. It's becoming annoying to resize the window over and over
again. I should think this would be a “sticky” setting but for some reason
it's not sticky enough.

    Brian L. Lightfoot





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RE: [LegacyUG] FW: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

[Brian Lightfoot]

Most list servers that I've been on will automatically drop a person after a
given number of bounces. That prevents mail from continuously going out to
somebody that's obviously moved on elsewhere. It also helps keep the size of
the mail length pared down. I'm not sure how many bounces LUG will allow and
I doubt if the moderator and/or administrator will make that number public.

Brian


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wendy
Howard
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Mail delivery failed: returning message to
sender

Have to disagree here.  This error message is telling you that a 
subscriber to this list is not receiving mail because their mail box is 
full.  Valerie received the message as a result of a post of hers to the 
list bouncing at that address.  If it is still bouncing, I will also get 
a copy once I send this email to the list.

There is little you can do in response to this message, except pass it 
on to the list administrator.  Jim Terry is the admin for this list.  At 
this stage I don't think you need do anything, since he will have seen 
this thread of discussion and be aware of the bouncing address.

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
-- 
Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ 


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*Subject:* [LegacyUG] FW: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender


> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> mailbox is full: retry timeout exceeded
>
> Call you ISp if this is in error. Check to see if your option if to
> leave all your mail on the server
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
>> Of Valerie Garton
>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:21 AM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] FW: Mail delivery failed: returning 
>> message to sender
>>
>>
>> I do not know what is going on here - can anyone comment please ?
>>
>> Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. 
>> Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, 
>> Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford 
>> Guild of One-Name Studies No: 4825 for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON
>>
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>> of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Setting Relationships Failure

[Brian Lightfoot]

When you use "Tools/Set Relationships..." you can choose to CLEAR
RELATIONSHIPS in which case there will be no indication of any relationship
on any individual in your file. This sounds like what you may have
accidentally done.

You can change the person from which you'd like to set the relationship
directly from that Set Relationships tool but it is sometimes easier just to
navigate to that person in the Family View and then select the Set
Relationship tool in which case that individual will be the default person.

It is not necessary to have the relationship tool set to yourself as the
starting individual, or whatever you think is the most important person in
your file. In fact, the relationship tool can be set to anybody at all in
your file. I used to keep separate files for my wife's side of the family
and my side but it dawned on me that my children and grandchildren would
someday be looking at this work and their relationships are to both my wife
and I so I combined the two files into one. Now that creates a relationship
problem with her ancestors as normally I am the person to whom the
relationship tool is set. So to keep things straight, I sometimes have to
switch the tool to point to her just so we can figure out her "grand-uncles"
and others that technically are of no relationship to me but they are to our
children.

HTH

Brian

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Setting Relationships Failure


I always begin with myself.  Once I was on another and it gave the 
option of changing the starting individual.  However, it still goes 
through all the motions and no relationships are listed.  /(I feel like 
an orphan)/

Joseph



Cathy wrote:
> Hi Joseph,
>
> Make sure you have the starting person you thought you did.
> No problem here and I have over 11,000 people.
>
> Cathy
>
> At 11:30 AM 10/03/2008, you wrote:
>
>
>> My Friends From the Gene Pool :),
>>
>> Just today, after installing the update, I found that my 
>> relationships were gone.  I tried "Tools/Set Relationships" but after 
>> it goes through all the actions, there's still no relationships.
>>
>> I have 9363 individuals in my tree...   could that be a factor?
>>
>> Joseph
>
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[LegacyUG] Private Addresses

[Brian Lightfoot]

Is it possible to print out as part of a family group report any of the
information from each individual's address tab such as address, phone,
email, etc if each person's address tab is marked as "Private"? The report
options allow for private events and private notes but I see no way of
turning on private addresses without going into each individual's tab and
temporarily removing the tick mark from "Private" (something that is
definitely not desirable). Seems that such a provision would be allowed to
be included with a single report format without having to resort to printing
out a separate address list.

Brian





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RE: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Book - Bibliography Error

[Brian Lightfoot]

Actually my question was not so tongue-in-cheek as it may have seemed. I
suspect that Jim is referring to an "official bug" as something that he and
the Support Team can duplicate and have verified as a problem, just as you
also surmised. And if these are all version 7 bugs being discovered at the
11th hour, then they were missed by the beta-testers, which means Version 7
is still some time off or they are contemplating a decision to rectify these
bugs with a future update to Version 7, all depending upon the severity of
the bug and whether it could result in a poor outlook for having released a
"buggy" version. Nothing different than all other software houses have to
face.

Brian



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:02 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Book - Bibliography Error

Brian,

Official are the ones they are willing to admit in public. 

Non-official ones are ones they won't admit to 
having, or perhaps they cannot prove one way or 
another perhaps because there is no evidence the 
bug can be re-produced, at will.

I expect non-official ones to move to official 
status once Jim can be bribed to own up to.

We have not yet established what the going rate 
is to persuade Jim to own up to YAB - yet another bug.

We are being very merciful to Jim, we have not 
used a rope yet..

Also, he has control of who can be slung off the List.

It makes it very difficult to apply rough justice.

Mob rule will be hard to achieve

Phil
At 17:31 03/03/2008, Brian Lightfoot wrote:

>So what's the difference between an "official bug" and a non-official one
>??  :-)
>
>Brian




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RE: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Book - Bibliography Error

[Brian Lightfoot]

So what's the difference between an "official bug" and a non-official one
??  :-)

Brian



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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Book - Bibliography Error


Actually, Jim, it's rather interesting to see where the "official bugs" are
:-)


Ron Ferguson




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[LegacyUG] Photos - revisited

[Brian Lightfoot]

After reading all the previous messages about photos, especially the
printing of burial photos, I decided to verify that everything was working
on my end as expected (as did probably a thousand other users). No problems
noted on my end and everything works out as expected. However, I got to the
"Marriage Pictures", I discovered I could not get them to show in any type
of report including the Family Group or Individual reports. Am I missing
something or are the marriage pictures only for show and tell from within
the Legacy program?

Brian





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RE: [LegacyUG] Download speed very low

[Brian Lightfoot]

Without any hands-on diagnostics, my guesses in decreasing order of
probability would be:
1. Legacy's file server is busy (try later or during an off-time)
2. Your own anti-virus software (try disabling for this download only)
3. You're running Windows Vista (you're on your own but you already know
that)
4. The juxtaposition of Jupiter with planet earth.

Brian


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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:08 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Download speed very low

Hi,

Yesterday i wanted to download the latest updates to Legacy, but something
went wrong and i now have to download the full setup program. However, the
download speed is getting lower and lower, and after a few minutes it almost
comes to a stand still (approx. 5-10% of my available bandwidth)

Anyone know what this is?

Regards
Erik
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RE: [LegacyUG] Possible Bug - Location issue

[Brian Lightfoot]

Damn, learn something new every day. Never knew that. Thanks.

(Not about Louis being a male, etc., but the difference in the use of "St."
and "Ste.")

Brian

(I'm gonna be real smart by the time I'm 150.)


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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:45 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Possible Bug - Location issue

As far as St. Louis and Ste. Genevieve, I believe the difference is
male vs. female.  Louis was a male saint, Genevieve was female.

Dede Holden


On Feb 18, 2008 12:48 PM, La Nell Shores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Legacy does not like some locations with a space in them.  I just ignore
the
> warning and go on.  Personally, I like La Salle, De Kalb and De Soto (with
> the space, but Legacy does not.  Legacy does recognize De Will, De Smet,
Le
> Crosse, La Pointe and Le Flore(with the space), so go figure.  Another
> anomaly is St. Louis and Ste. Genevieve, both in Missouri.  I may need to
> understand the French language better!
>
> My advice is to enter it the way you like it and ignore the warnings.
Maybe
> the fact that my name has a space in it, which most people ignore, has
> something to do with the fact that I like those locations with the space:)
>
> La Nell
>
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Possible Bug - Location issue
>
>
> I'm not sure if this is a bug, or just me, so I thought I'd bring it
> to the LUG before I take it to support.
> I'm converting a bound book of family history to a Legacy Dbase. In
> doing so, I'm dealing with a lot of locations in the parishes of
> Louisiana, United States of America.
>
> When inputting a town in LaSalle parish, Louisiana, Geo Location came
> up with and gave me ONE option La Salle ... as the parish. I
> selected it, and it autofilled the location I was working with.
>
> Then I get an error message that tells me La Salle was never a known
> parish in Louisiana.
>
> IF I remove the space, then, to create LaSalle... it accepts it just fine.
>
> I then have to go to the master location list and merge the La Salle
> with LaSalle.
>
> I've had this happen to me several times, as I'll have the town name
> in Louisiana, but not the parish, which ends up being LaSalle.
>
> Has anyone else had an issue such as this? And if so, what did you do
> to correct it? Consequently, IS this a bug that should be reported to
> Legacy?
>
> Jess M
>
>
>
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RE: Assign source to Media File (was RE: [LegacyUG] a few questions)

[Brian Lightfoot]

I don't want this group to get terribly overloaded with a lot of technical
info concerning EXIF and IPTC headers in JPEG file structure so I'll avoid
going down that road. But may I ask how you "added a JPEG comment"? In other
words, what software applet did you use? I think we'll find out that not all
add the comments in the same manner and that Legacy may like one method over
another.

Brian

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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Assign source to Media File (was RE: [LegacyUG] a few
questions)

Hi Brian,

Then maybe Legacy doesn't like my camera - or Canon cameras as I just 
tried with a photo sent by a friend. Checked there was EXIF data, 
added a JPEG comment. Attached to Legacy. No query as to whether I 
want to use it.

Found and tried another photo from a different sort of camera. Legacy 
still doesn't read the JPEG comment.

Save removing the EXIF data but leaving the JPEG comment - and Legacy 
now sees the JPEG comment. No change here at all.

Whenever I've tested, I can't get comments read when the pic has 
EXIF. Clear the EXIF on that pic and Legacy asks if I want to use the 
embedded Jpeg comment.

Cathy

At 01:19 PM 19/02/2008, you wrote:

>" Legacy can read JPEG comments provided the picture doesn't have EXIF
>information."
>
>HUH? Legacy reads the embedded comments of images with EXIF data just fine
>here.
>
>But as you say, the terminology about "comments, descriptions, and
captions"
>vary widely and there is some overlap between the IPTC data and the EXIF
>data. To make matters worse, camera manufacturers have their own set of
>standards as well as the many software applications. The sad state of
>affairs of digital photography is that there is no "standard" out there. I
>think Legacy does a good job in getting any info at all from the JPEGS. I
>was tickled pink the first time I entered a photograph in Legacy and it
>politely asked me if I wanted to use the embedded comments in the
>description field.
>
>Brian




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RE: Assign source to Media File (was RE: [LegacyUG] a few questions)

[Brian Lightfoot]

" Legacy can read JPEG comments provided the picture doesn't have EXIF 
information."

HUH? Legacy reads the embedded comments of images with EXIF data just fine
here. 

But as you say, the terminology about "comments, descriptions, and captions"
vary widely and there is some overlap between the IPTC data and the EXIF
data. To make matters worse, camera manufacturers have their own set of
standards as well as the many software applications. The sad state of
affairs of digital photography is that there is no "standard" out there. I
think Legacy does a good job in getting any info at all from the JPEGS. I
was tickled pink the first time I entered a photograph in Legacy and it
politely asked me if I wanted to use the embedded comments in the
description field.

Brian


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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 3:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: Assign source to Media File (was RE: [LegacyUG] a few
questions)

JPEG comments stay with the photo as does IPTC info although you can 
choose to save photos and lose all this metadata.

Legacy can read JPEG comments provided the picture doesn't have EXIF 
information.

This is a severe limitation as a photo from a digital camera does 
have EXIF information that you probably also don't want to lose as it 
includes the date the photo was taken.

Some programs add a JPEG comment identical to the IPTC caption when 
you add the IPTC info.
I've found that terminology varies for the various fields in 
different programs.





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