Re: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA

2009-09-18 Thread daughterofmyfather
Kirsten,

I found my error. I had checked the box to view my messages in text. I went 
back and found where I had to check to compose my messages in text. Did this 
one work?

Sherry


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA

2009-09-18 Thread daughterofmyfather


Kirsten, 



Did I do this right? 



Sherry 


- Original Message - 
From: "Kirsten Bowman"  
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:44:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA 

Sherry: 

Sure.  I'm no computer whiz, so this will be pretty basic.  When creating your 
message you need to choose Plain Text instead of HTML.  That choice should be 
in a drop-down box at the top of your e-mail screen.  Plain Text will give you 
a totally boring result like this one instead of a "personalized" font. 

Trimming your post means to delete non-essential messages from the bottom as 
well as deleting the Legacy tag lines that get automatically added to every 
message. 

We do this because some list members are on dial-up, and both HTML and repeated 
tag lines slow their download time and increase their costs.  Note that I'm 
trimming earlier messages from this response because only your most recent is 
pertinent.  Most of us forget the rules from time to time, and then eventually 
someone explodes.  Don't want that to happen to a newbie . 

Kirsten 

   



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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Mary, 



Thanks for the cautions and the sites for online genealogy lessons. I'm going 
to check those out soon. 



Sherry 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Moyer"  
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:31:19 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 

And if the "sources" listed are "GEDCOM from so-and-so," their information 
probably isn't very accurate. A GEDCOM isn't a true source. Your sources should 
be things such as census records, church records, marriage, death, land, etc. 
And remember that almost any source can have errors. Even if the sources look 
complete, they might be fraudulent because the person wanted to be a Mayflower 
descendant or whatever. 

Don't add GEDCOMs to your database just because it has someone with the same 
name as your ancestor - you'll be surprised at just how many men had the same 
names, and sometimes even lived in the same area. I researched one county that 
had 14 men with the same name, and although some were related, they weren't all 
related to each other. 

Take all the information you find with a grain of salt and then verify and 
analyze. Look at it carefully to see if it makes sense - are the kids listed as 
being born too far apart, too close together, too late in the marriage, before 
the mother was of age to have children, etc. Was the family listed as being in 
the US before there were even settlers or in a "state" before it was settled 
(i.e., born in Illinois in 1630)? Don't laugh - I've seen all of the above. On 
one database, my mother is married to her step-father and another I've seen, 
one child is also his own grandfather, born before his parents were born. 

Some other ideas - take some classes in genealogy research, read some basic 
genealogy books on how to find information, visit your local Family History 
Center and your library, visit a larger genealogy library. There are also some 
good basic online lessons at Rootsweb, Ancestry and FamilySearch. 

Mary 

 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Kirsten, 



Sorry about plain text and trimming posts, but I don't even know what that 
means. This is the first time I've ever been part of a user group. Can you help 
me to learn how to do this? I've been using my reply icon at the top of the 
message, typing my stuff, and sending it. 



Sherry 


- Original Message - 
From: "Kirsten Bowman"  
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:17:19 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA 

Sherry: 

The trouble is that what's perfect today may not be perfect next year.  Who was 
attaching digital images to files a few years ago, or creating web pages, or 
obsessing over the formatting of sources--or, for that matter, even recording 
sources?  There's no way to predict where the current will carry us, so you can 
only do the best you can with what you have today. 

And just a friendly reminder, you might want to get in the habit of posting to 
the list in plain text and trimming the posts before someone complains (and 
they will). 

Good luck with your project. 

Kirsten 
     
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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of 
daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 


Hi Kirsten, 

Your thoughts reminded me that I can sometimes (most times) want to do 
something perfectly. I can do my homework and later if I need a redo, that's 
ok. And, most importantly, I am going to have fun. Thanks. 

Sherry from Washington (thanks for the suggestion, Rich) 






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Re: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Hi Sherry, 



I'm in Vancouver. Been here for about 9 years and just love it. This group is 
so helpful and willing to give me guidance and ideas. Thanks so much. 



Sherry in Vancouver WA 


- Original Message - 
From: "Sherry/Support"  
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:43:50 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA 

Oh brother, this *is* going to get confusing!  I'm in Washington state also 
 

However, I *do* have a rather lengthy tag-line 

Sherry, where are you located in Washington state? We have a Legacy User Group 
which meets in Bellevue on the first Wednesday of the month.  If you're in the 
area, we'd love to have you join us!  There are also groups in Vancouver, 
Kitsap, and Kent - you can get more info on our website - click on Help Center 
> User Groups. 

BTW, there's a lot of info under the Help Center menu on the website - take a 
look - and in the Help file in Legacy. 

Thanks for using Legacy. 

Sherry 
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We are changing the world of genealogy! 

When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.  
Thanks. 


-Original Message- 
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of 
Kirsten Bowman 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:17 PM 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA 

Sherry: 

The trouble is that what's perfect today may not be perfect next year.  Who was 
attaching digital images to files a few years ago, or creating web pages, or 
obsessing over the formatting of sources--or, for that matter, even recording 
sources?  There's no way to predict where the current will carry us, so you can 
only do the best you can with what you have today. 

And just a friendly reminder, you might want to get in the habit of posting to 
the list in plain text and trimming the posts before someone complains (and 
they will). 

Good luck with your project. 

Kirsten 
     
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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of 
daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 


Hi Kirsten, 

Your thoughts reminded me that I can sometimes (most times) want to do 
something perfectly. I can do my homework and later if I need a redo, that's 
ok. And, most importantly, I am going to have fun. Thanks. 

Sherry from Washington (thanks for the suggestion, Rich) 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Heather, 



What a wonderful idea. That is something that makes sense to me and doesn't 
"clutter" my family database. Thank you so much. 



Sherry 


- Original Message - 
From: "Heather Stovold"  
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:49:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 

What I do, is I download the information into a DIFFERENT Legacy database  
I include something like Research, or something like that in the name.  So 
probably something like  "Research Smith FS"  (a Research database on the Smith 
line that I got off of Family Search".  I can put more information on where I 
got it in something like the Research Notes. 


I use my research databases as CLUES as to what might be the information.  When 
I have verified the information for a person or family from sources, I usually 
use Spit-Screen to drag the person into my main database (after making sure I 
have "Cleaned" the person places, etc to fit the standards I use to input 
information.)   Again - I'm only moving a person or maybe a family. 


Therefore, I don't have "garbage" cluttering my database, yet I have the 
information readily available.  And I don't have to type in everything either. 


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM, < daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net > wrote: 






Tom, 



Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day 
with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually right 
or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure how yet) 
everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since I don't do 
well with "clutter" in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way through the 
stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 5000 names either. 
And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or delete names that are 
completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit of a panic. Deep breath. 
I know that I can benefit from someone else's research as a starting point for 
my own, so I don't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel. Would taking one name 
on the tree and finding sources that verify their relationship to me and then 
entering that name into my Legacy DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better 
way? 



Sherry 








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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out -- downloaded trees

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Ken, 



I appreciate the step-by-step ideas about how to go about cleaning up the 
temporary database. It sure helps me to get off to a good start. And, you are 
right, maybe, just maybe, I've found a whole wagon load of family! 



Sherry 


- Original Message - 
From: "Ward Walker"  
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:35:53 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out -- downloaded trees 

Sherry, 

As someone suggested earlier, import the downloaded GEDCOM into a temporary 
Legacy family file, not your main one. Then do as much cleanup and sanity 
checking as you can. Only when you find that you trust the data, merge it, 
or parts of it, into your file. Legacy has substantial tools to help resolve 
duplications during a merge, although not foolproof (e.g., if names are 
spelled differently). 

Any family trees that I have found at public web sites contain either clear 
mistakes or unwarranted assumptions. Some people seem to throw together 
databases from various sources and hope that these people are really 
connected. Assumptions can get propagated until they appear to be validated 
from multiple sources, when really they are not. Sometimes you see birth 
dates that are clearly impossible. Of course if you can contact the person 
who uploaded the tree and get to know how they acquired the data, you are 
much further ahead. 

Aside from whether the individuals really belong in your tree, you can clean 
up more mundane things like standardizing locations and dates before the 
merge. 

For sources, you can automatically add a source during the merge that 
indicates that the individuals came from the online database. If you verify 
some data using other sources, you can add those source citations before or 
after the merge. 

The good news is that may have found a large extended family that is valid! 
Good luck. 

   Ward 

- Original Message - 
From: daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 


Tom, 

Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day 
with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually 
right or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure 
how yet) everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since 
I don't do well with "clutter" in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way 
through the stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 
5000 names either. And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or 
delete names that are completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit 
of a panic. Deep breath. I know that I can benefit from someone else's 
research as a starting point for my own, so I don't want to reinvent the 
proverbial wheel. Would taking one name on the tree and finding sources that 
verify their relationship to me and then entering that name into my Legacy 
DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better way? 

Sherry 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Ron, 



I am getting so many good suggestions and I really appreciate it. I have been 
looking at the input screens and lamenting over how many fields there were to 
fill in!! I looked at the Options>Customize and GOODNESS! There are a million 
of these it seems. I can see it is going to take some time just to play around 
and see what things look like as I change various things. Legacy sure seems 
like a very complex program and yet simple to use. I suppose it can do almost 
anything (except my laundry while I'm busy with genealogy.) Thanks. 



Sherry 
- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson"  
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:02:38 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 


Sherry, 

Welcome aboard! 

My first piece of advice would be to have a play; someone suggested entering a 
small number of relatives. Whilst this is good practice for entering and 
sourcing data etc., you may not wish to change this once entered, in which case 
play with the Sample file - that's what it is for. When entering data remember 
that just because a field is there you don't need to put anything in it if you 
don't want. In any event have a look at the Sample file to see what the set up 
is like. 

Go to Options>Customise and learn the settings, again by playing with them, I'm 
afraid that there are a lot. The Help files are *always* the most up to date 
and the Help button on a screen relates only to that screen (same as f1 in most 
programs). 

Back-up regularly when involved in a long session. If you do not have a backup 
Icon on the top-bar then right click on the bar and drag it onto the main bar 
(and any others you fancy!). Always back-up when finishing - if no changes have 
been made you will not be invited to. Maintaining your back-ups means you can 
play to your hearts content without worrying about losing your stuff. 

Regard the RINs and MRINs as just numbers and not related to the status, or 
order of preference, of any individual. I see that you are thinking of creating 
web pages, I have omitted "simple" as who knows how it will grow - have a look 
at my "simple" one :-). Which, by the way, contains some tutorials which may 
interest you, the fergys.co.uk one (below). If thinking of using the Pedigree 
web pages, in Customise>Options set Legacy not to re-use empty RINs as those 
pages use them as the file names. 

Only use alpha-numeric characters plus hyphen and underscores in file and 
folder names, and it is better to settle on how you are going to use the case 
from day one eg. ronferguson.jpg or RonFerguson.jpg etc. Incidentally, Legacy 
does not like "JPEG", so always use "JPG" instead. Remember that whilst Windows 
is case insensitive most web servers are not. 

I think I'd better leave it there else you may feel that it's a bit complicated 
- always feel free to ask here! 

Good luck 


Ron Ferguson 

_ 

New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage 
http://www.fergys.co.uk/ 
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: 
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ 
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ 
_ 






 
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:48:20 + 
> From: daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Everyone, 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group and have been watching it 
> for about a week now. I haven't started on my family genealogy yet, so I have 
> only purchased Legacy 7 with all the updates. Ron brought up a good point 
> when he wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
> I've done some thinking about this and decided that the main reasons I want 
> to use Legacy for are: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 1) To upload my data to FamilySearch 
> 
> 
> 2) Print some simple charts that show my direct line that includes their 
> spouses and children 
> 
> 
> 3) To create a simple web page with the information I find about my 
> ancestors, including interesting stories, data, and sources for a very small 
> family of a brother, sister, daughter, and nephew. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I borrowed the first set of CDs on Legacy and watched them several times and 
> they have helped me to learn how to get around the program and enter data. 
> However, I am still left with trying to design my database as Ron pointed 
> out. And, deciding on a way to enter sources, media, etc. When I find online 
> information on my family and perhaps family trees that have been submitted 
> how do I handle that? Do I download all the information and then go about 
> trying to verify it? And probably many other things that I don't know enough 
> about to even ask a question. Would you mind giving me some guidance about 
> how to go about this? 
> 

Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Tom, 



Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day 
with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually right 
or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure how yet) 
everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since I don't do 
well with "clutter" in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way through the 
stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 5000 names either. 
And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or delete names that are 
completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit of a panic. Deep breath. 
I know that I can benefit from someone else's research as a starting point for 
my own, so I don't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel. Would taking one name 
on the tree and finding sources that verify their relationship to me and then 
entering that name into my Legacy DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better 
way? 



Sherry 


- Original Message - 
From: "TomK"  
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:08:11 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 

Sherry, 


You asked: 
"When I find online information on my family and perhaps family trees that have 
been submitted how do I handle that? Do I download all the information and then 
go about trying to verify it? " 


I would be careful with what information you enter into your database that you 
pick up from online trees that do not list sources, but I personally do include 
such information if it seems to help obtain clues.  Two things I would suggest 
when you add information to your database is that:  
1) You always source the fields you populate so that later you know where and 
from whom you recorded the information.   There is nothing worse than to look 
at your database and wonder where you got a specific piece of information, 
especially if you find other records whose data conflicts with what you already 
have. 
2) As I enter the source information, I make use of Legacy's Surety Level, and 
use either 1 (Marginal), or 0 (Have Not Decided Yet) to be able to later 
identify those entries that I'm not sure of.  You can include the Surety Level 
when you print Source Citations in your reports.  


Once so entered, I then also look for supporting source documentation to 
verify/validate the information.  


Tom 


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Hi Everyone, 



My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group and have been watching it for 
about a week now. I haven't started on my family genealogy yet, so I have only 
purchased Legacy 7 with all the updates. Ron brought up a good point when he 
wrote: 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Hi Kirsten, 



Your thoughts reminded me that I can sometimes (most times) want to do 
something perfectly. I can do my homework and later if I need a redo, that's 
ok. And, most importantly, I am going to have fun. Thanks. 



Sherry from Washington (thanks for the suggestion, Rich) 


- Original Message - 
From: "Kirsten Bowman"  
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:22:03 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 

Sherry: 

Welcome to the group! 

You're wise to give some thought to the end product that you'd like to achieve. 
 As others have suggested, entering a few names and previewing the results is 
definitely a good way to start.  But I would caution that you not be overly 
concerned about having things perfect straight out of the gate.  No matter how 
hard you try, you're bound to find eventually that you wish you'd done 
something a little differently.  Fortunately with Legacy many changes are 
relatively easy to make.  I wouldn't want to discourage you, but some of us 
have documented family for years and then decided to make significant changes 
for one reason or another.  A fair portion of the learning process is time and 
experience, so dig in and have fun with it. 

Kirsten 

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of 
daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:48 AM 
To: LegacyUserGroup 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 


Hi Everyone, 

My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group and have been watching it for 
about a week now. I haven't started on my family genealogy yet, so I have only 
purchased Legacy 7 with all the updates. Ron brought up a good point when he 
wrote: 

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[LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Thanks Jenny. I have been reading and looking at websites that have "classes" 
on genealogy in general. I'm trying to find some books about Legacy 7, but I've 
not been too successful there. Any ones you could recommend? 



Sherry 




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[LegacyUG] Birth, Marriage, Death Sources

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Don, 



Your description of how you use master sources and detail citations was so 
helpful. I think I understood for the first time how the two work together. 
This will help me a lot as I am just starting out. Thanks. 



Sherry 




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[LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread daughterofmyfather


Paula, 



Your suggestions were really helpful. I can enter just my family and play 
around with that until I like what I see. That sounds like a plan! Thanks. 



Sherry 




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[LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-16 Thread daughterofmyfather



Hi Everyone, 



My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group and have been watching it for 
about a week now. I haven't started on my family genealogy yet, so I have only 
purchased Legacy 7 with all the updates. Ron brought up a good point when he 
wrote: 



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