Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2
They normally send all answers to the 'group' unless privacy is desired. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Terri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Terri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2 > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:20 AM > David, > > When you get an answer from the folks at Millenia, would > you mind posting their answer on the list? I'm sure > others have been wondering the same thing. > > Terri Brown > > > > - Original Message > From: David Kleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:39:57 PM > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - > Round 2 > > Mary, > Thanks. I guess I wasn't clear as to who exactly reads > through this forum. > I appreciate your suggestion. > > David Kleiman > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mary Young > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:43 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - > Round 2 > > David Kleiman wrote: > > What I am trying to get answered is: "what GIS > standards and metadata are > > the folks at Millenium using in setting up their Geo > Location Database > for > > use with Legacy?" > Aren't you asking the wrong people? The is the Legacy > Users Group. > If indeed the Geo Location Database is controlled by > "the folks at > Millenium" (or better yet, the folks at Millennia) > why not direct the > question to them? They're more likely to know the > answer! > Mary Young > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2
David, When you get an answer from the folks at Millenia, would you mind posting their answer on the list? I'm sure others have been wondering the same thing. Terri Brown - Original Message From: David Kleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:39:57 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2 Mary, Thanks. I guess I wasn't clear as to who exactly reads through this forum. I appreciate your suggestion. David Kleiman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Young Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2 David Kleiman wrote: > What I am trying to get answered is: "what GIS standards and metadata are > the folks at Millenium using in setting up their Geo Location Database for > use with Legacy?" Aren't you asking the wrong people? The is the Legacy Users Group. If indeed the Geo Location Database is controlled by "the folks at Millenium" (or better yet, the folks at Millennia) why not direct the question to them? They're more likely to know the answer! Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2
Mary, Thanks. I guess I wasn't clear as to who exactly reads through this forum. I appreciate your suggestion. David Kleiman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Young Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2 David Kleiman wrote: > What I am trying to get answered is: "what GIS standards and metadata are > the folks at Millenium using in setting up their Geo Location Database for > use with Legacy?" Aren't you asking the wrong people? The is the Legacy Users Group. If indeed the Geo Location Database is controlled by "the folks at Millenium" (or better yet, the folks at Millennia) why not direct the question to them? They're more likely to know the answer! Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2
I think it's appropriate here. I would like to know that answer too. And if it's not asked/answered on this list a lot of people (who may want to know) will miss the information. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Young Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 11:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2 David Kleiman wrote: > What I am trying to get answered is: "what GIS standards and metadata are > the folks at Millenium using in setting up their Geo Location Database for > use with Legacy?" Aren't you asking the wrong people? The is the Legacy Users Group. If indeed the Geo Location Database is controlled by "the folks at Millenium" (or better yet, the folks at Millennia) why not direct the question to them? They're more likely to know the answer! Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2
David Kleiman wrote: > What I am trying to get answered is: "what GIS standards and metadata are > the folks at Millenium using in setting up their Geo Location Database for > use with Legacy?" Aren't you asking the wrong people? The is the Legacy Users Group. If indeed the Geo Location Database is controlled by "the folks at Millenium" (or better yet, the folks at Millennia) why not direct the question to them? They're more likely to know the answer! Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards - Round 2
Thanks for your thoughts on methodology. I've actually got my own system pretty well working. Sorry to be so technical but perhaps I should clarify my query. What I am trying to get answered is: "what GIS standards and metadata are the folks at Millenium using in setting up their Geo Location Database for use with Legacy?" Since I research and publish to a high academic standard, I need to track the accuracy level of all of my sources and cite them correctly. If I use the Legacy GLdb (a very convenient thing) I've got to know about the standards used in creating it. For example, the U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) is a Federal agency created back in the late 1800's to "maintain uniform geographic name usage" throughout the nation's government. To this day they continue their work (as the world get's more complex, so does their task) and the US Geological Survey office makes downloadable text files available free at http://geonames.usgs.gov/domestic/index.html. The BGN currently maintains domestic info and the overseas data is served by the Geographic Names Server (GNS) of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA)? Many commercial software systems make use of this standardized data set as the basis for constructing their own proprietary metadata and application specific databases. Is Legacy amongst these users of the BGN/GNS/NGA info? Or is there some other standard that has been implemented? Are there different core data sets used for the various regions of the world? If the Legacy GLdb is based on these government issue datasets how recent is the dataset used in the current Legacy release (V7)? Thanks again for any insights and forthcoming assistance on this. David M. Kleiman Heritage Muse, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards You must first decide which location system you will use, and then the questions become easy. 1. Use the location name as it existed at the time of the 'event'. I have some towns with as many as eight different names. 2. Use the location as it exists 'today'. Then when governments change the various boundaries, you must re-edit the wole country. Sweden 2 times in 20th century. England, Scotland in the 1990s, US states and counties (see AniMap). I use choice 1, because once the research is done, the past doesn't re-do itself. Rich in LA CA --- On Sat, 9/27/08, David Kleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: David Kleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 9:43 AM > Couple of questions to the informed crowd here > > I am working to reconcile a large number of European place > name citations in > a fairly large Legacy file (30,000+ individuals) between > currently accepted > naming conventions and older or alternate spelling and > language differences. > A simple clear example is the old American spelling of the > Ukrainian town > "Lvov" which on most current maps is Lviv or > L'viv. > > Question: > Can anyone tell me what the source was for the Legacy Geo > Location Database > names? Is there an standard academic source(s) against > which that list is > published? For example: The US Geological Survey database, > or some other > world atlas(es)? > > If the spelling standardization is a Millenium Corp. > construct, is there a > listing of the transliteration guidelines used in building > these lists? > > Thanks for any insights > > David M. Kleiman > Heritage Muse, Inc. > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards
David, Like Richard I try to use the convention at the time of the event, but would emphasise that the 4 field format used by the Geo Location Base does not work with UK and many European locations. The Geo Location Base was developed for US locations and whilst attempts have been made to fit other countries' locations into this format the results at not satisfactory and frequently do not give a unique location, consequently I ignore it. The only disadvantage I find is that the Geo Location Base does not work, but it is only a minute's job to put a loction into the 4 field format to check where it is, if not known. Personally I use The Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World. I hope this helps. Ron Ferguson England _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards > Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:43:36 -0400 > > Couple of questions to the informed crowd here > > I am working to reconcile a large number of European place name citations in > a fairly large Legacy file (30,000+ individuals) between currently accepted > naming conventions and older or alternate spelling and language differences. > A simple clear example is the old American spelling of the Ukrainian town > "Lvov" which on most current maps is Lviv or L'viv. > > Question: > Can anyone tell me what the source was for the Legacy Geo Location Database > names? Is there an standard academic source(s) against which that list is > published? For example: The US Geological Survey database, or some other > world atlas(es)? > > If the spelling standardization is a Millenium Corp. construct, is there a > listing of the transliteration guidelines used in building these lists? > > Thanks for any insights > > David M. Kleiman > Heritage Muse, Inc. > > > _ Make a mini you and download it into Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354029/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards
You must first decide which location system you will use, and then the questions become easy. 1. Use the location name as it existed at the time of the 'event'. I have some towns with as many as eight different names. 2. Use the location as it exists 'today'. Then when governments change the various boundaries, you must re-edit the wole country. Sweden 2 times in 20th century. England, Scotland in the 1990s, US states and counties (see AniMap). I use choice 1, because once the research is done, the past doesn't re-do itself. Rich in LA CA --- On Sat, 9/27/08, David Kleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: David Kleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 9:43 AM > Couple of questions to the informed crowd here > > I am working to reconcile a large number of European place > name citations in > a fairly large Legacy file (30,000+ individuals) between > currently accepted > naming conventions and older or alternate spelling and > language differences. > A simple clear example is the old American spelling of the > Ukrainian town > "Lvov" which on most current maps is Lviv or > L'viv. > > Question: > Can anyone tell me what the source was for the Legacy Geo > Location Database > names? Is there an standard academic source(s) against > which that list is > published? For example: The US Geological Survey database, > or some other > world atlas(es)? > > If the spelling standardization is a Millenium Corp. > construct, is there a > listing of the transliteration guidelines used in building > these lists? > > Thanks for any insights > > David M. Kleiman > Heritage Muse, Inc. > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Geo Location Database Standards
Couple of questions to the informed crowd here I am working to reconcile a large number of European place name citations in a fairly large Legacy file (30,000+ individuals) between currently accepted naming conventions and older or alternate spelling and language differences. A simple clear example is the old American spelling of the Ukrainian town "Lvov" which on most current maps is Lviv or L'viv. Question: Can anyone tell me what the source was for the Legacy Geo Location Database names? Is there an standard academic source(s) against which that list is published? For example: The US Geological Survey database, or some other world atlas(es)? If the spelling standardization is a Millenium Corp. construct, is there a listing of the transliteration guidelines used in building these lists? Thanks for any insights David M. Kleiman Heritage Muse, Inc. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
