Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
I used to say and do the same thing and about March of 2000 I said goodbye to FTM forever, have never looked back and never been sorry LEGACY is wonderful and the price is compatable with my income. May you always have Love to Share Health to Spare And Friends that Care Sandra Tyler Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Susan Perrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG Ah but they do not have good charts - FTM is far better for them - so I use both programs At 11:39 PM 18/09/2006, you wrote: I have used Family Tree maker for years and recently switched to Legacy. Legacy is better by far. More flexible and easier to use Nico Kleynhans Susan, Victoria, Australia. English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html ALSO: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~susanp American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
A big thank you to the many of you who have shared your experiences with both Legacy and TMG (including those who replied off line). It pretty much parallels my very short experience with both these programs. I've been doing genealogy for quite some time and am therefore not a novice at it. Until now I have primarily used an excellent old DOS based, now discontinued, software (FamilyScrapBook) because I could also use it both on my DOS-based palmtop (HP LX200) as well as within my Windows PCs. For graphs I used Treedraw and my exported gedcoms. Within Windows I tried the ubiquitous FamilyTreeMaker and just did not like its interface. Recently I tried both Legacy and TMG. My early impressions were that Legacy is much easier to work with and TMG rather awkward. However I thought that TMG's data collection was more structured so that items like sources - which are very important to me - are entered in a more uniform and complete manner. Within Legacy entering source details is much more freehand which means that dates and other items are not always entered the same way in all sources. Places are separated out into City, State, etc (a lot of extra keying in). Such separate fields can be an advantage in database searching and structure. I think Legacy could be improved with a more structured source entry and specialized fields depending on the type of source. On the other hand, the source clipboard is a very nice touch. Different items in Notes usually have different sources or multiple sources. Legacy lacks the ability to indicate different sources for different parts of the text in Notes. This is essential and needs to be rectified as soon as possible. Since I use TreeDraw I did not pay much attention to Legacy's report structures. They appear adequate but limited. It is hard to see all of the events for a person at a glance (like events, AKA's, children and other spouses are each on separate screens) You can not assign witnesses to an event (like census) These should be easy for Legacy to rectify by simply constructing some new screens. Maybe they will one day. In brief, Legacy has the potential of being the premier genealogy software for Windows primarily because of its ease of use. However it needs more attention to a more structured and directed entry in some areas and in sources. Both of these can be achieved easily without sacrificing any of the easy interface. Just one person's opinion .. Again, thank you all for sharing your experiences with me. They were very helpful. Jeff - Original Message - From: "Tim Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG Funny this subject should come up! I come home from work to see a dozen emails about something that I have had a lot of thought about. I have been a happy Legacy user for many years, but then thought to myself that I should try TMG just because I thought I should try something different (probably something like the grass is greener in that "other" cemetery). So I shelled out the extra bucks, and you know what? It didn't take long for me to come back to Legacy. I really toiled about this and wrote my own pros and cons a while ago, and here they are: Comparing TMG to Legacy Legacy Pros . Places are "auto filled" when you start typing a place (TMG has a 'repeat last field' feature, but you have to go to a menu and find it, where Legacy, you just type and it fills in) . Places are all on one line. (separate fields on TMG) . You can sort events and children any way you want them. (TMG sorts with date first) . I really like the source clipboard (TMG has a 'repeat last source', but it is clunky, and if you have one source that affects lots of people, you have a lot of copy and pasting to do for source details) . Some of the new features like Geo Locations are cool . I like the "one click" navigation (TMG you have to double click - big whoop!) Cons . It is hard to see all of the events for a person at a glance (like events, AKA's, children and other spouses are each on separate screens) . You can not assign witnesses to an event (like census) TMG Pros . You can see each item (event) about an individual while you edit (events, AKAs, children, other spouses are all visible while you edit) . If the name of a spouse of an individual is not known, you can specify to not print "UNKNOWN" on a report, Sometimes, you just want a blank instead of an obnoxious "UNKOWN" on a Descendancy report! . For events, you can specify if the source applies to a date, or place (it does not consider the source for both unless you specify.. like if you found a source for a marriage with one sourc
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Ah but they do not have good charts - FTM is far better for them - so I use both programs At 11:39 PM 18/09/2006, you wrote: I have used Family Tree maker for years and recently switched to Legacy. Legacy is better by far. More flexible and easier to use Nico Kleynhans Susan, Victoria, Australia. English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html ALSO: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~susanp American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Funny this subject should come up! I come home from work to see a dozen emails about something that I have had a lot of thought about. I have been a happy Legacy user for many years, but then thought to myself that I should try TMG just because I thought I should try something different (probably something like the grass is greener in that "other" cemetery). So I shelled out the extra bucks, and you know what? It didn't take long for me to come back to Legacy. I really toiled about this and wrote my own pros and cons a while ago, and here they are: Comparing TMG to Legacy Legacy Pros . Places are "auto filled" when you start typing a place (TMG has a 'repeat last field' feature, but you have to go to a menu and find it, where Legacy, you just type and it fills in) . Places are all on one line. (separate fields on TMG) . You can sort events and children any way you want them. (TMG sorts with date first) . I really like the source clipboard (TMG has a 'repeat last source', but it is clunky, and if you have one source that affects lots of people, you have a lot of copy and pasting to do for source details) . Some of the new features like Geo Locations are cool . I like the "one click" navigation (TMG you have to double click - big whoop!) Cons . It is hard to see all of the events for a person at a glance (like events, AKA's, children and other spouses are each on separate screens) . You can not assign witnesses to an event (like census) TMG Pros . You can see each item (event) about an individual while you edit (events, AKAs, children, other spouses are all visible while you edit) . If the name of a spouse of an individual is not known, you can specify to not print "UNKNOWN" on a report, Sometimes, you just want a blank instead of an obnoxious "UNKOWN" on a Descendancy report! . For events, you can specify if the source applies to a date, or place (it does not consider the source for both unless you specify.. like if you found a source for a marriage with one source and the date on another source, and another source gives the location, you can specify which is which) Cons . Places are separated out into City, State, etc (a lot of extra keying in). . Sometimes you get strange unexplainable errors (unstable at times) . Reports are very hard to work with. . Note fields are hard to work with (especially to get them to print the way you want on a report - where as Legacy allows you to type anything in the notes and they come out they way you typed it on a report) This last thing was the clincher for me (along with the source clip board). It took me a very long time going through the manual to find all of the right control characters one would have to learn to get a report to come out the way you want it, while with Legacy, you hit enter and you get a new line... TMG note fields are like working with an old DOS text editor! Bottom like for me, is that Legacy gives me everything I need and it is simply easier to work with. Not to knock TMG, I like a lot of the features. Some days I kind of wish Legacy would add some of those features - like adding witnesses to events (wink, wink!). But at this stage in the game, I am very happy I went back to Legacy. I will keep it! Hope this is not too much information! Tim Willis Voorheesville, NY Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Mary, No problem at all! The list really has been extraordinarily busy lately, which is great! That's what it's here for - users helping users! But I can understand how overwhelming it can seem with all the messages coming through! Imagine these plus messages from the beta testers and the ones sent to support Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Young Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:27 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG On 9/18/06, Sherry/Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mary, > This is a perfectly legitimate question for the list Hi, Sherry I am so sorry - please forgive my hasty words. Regards, Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
On 9/18/06, Sherry/Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mary, This is a perfectly legitimate question for the list Hi, Sherry I am so sorry - please forgive my hasty words. Regards, Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
I used TMG for several years and have just moved over to Legacy a couple of months ago. I like them both very much much. Between the two of them, you can't make a bad choice. TMG Pro's & Con's 1. Steep learning curve - not particularly intuitive as a software. 2. Reports have so much potential that they are actually quite difficult to generate - you can do almost anything with them, which is great for those who have mastered them. 3. I love the "main" screen, which is an interactive chronology screen. 4. I like the way you can combine elements to set up your own "desktop" 5. Really fun, knowledgeable group of people on the User's list Legacy Pro's and Con's 1. I prefer sourcing in Legacy - a big thing for me. 2. I don't like the chronology screen quite as well - it is not interactive. Having said that, though, I am adapting to its usage. 3. Much easier to get started with Legacy. 4. Simple reports are a breeze in Legacy In all, I prefer Legacy, and I plan to continue to use it. At present, when I am working I have them both open, but I only enter new info in Legacy. Good luck. They are both great programs. Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC & Seattle, WA - Original Message - From: "malkajef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:24 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Jeff, Comparing software is always difficult since different people place greater emphasis on different aspects of the program. Both TMG & Legacy are pretty highly thought of especially in the US. I am in the UK and find that Legacy users are more limited here. It seems that the more casual genealogist will in fact go for FTM or Roots Magic, both of which have a more gimmicky appeal. I am far from being an expert in TMG but have a copy and have compared it to some extent. So I will give some differences in my opinion. User interface. TMG follows a philosophy of carrying different elements of data in different windows. This makes the user interface more customisable in that the layout of these windows can be saved for different purposes and configurations. An example of the data windows would be the details screen showing all events for a person along a timeline, children appear in a separate window as do siblings, photograph etc. This makes for a flexible but in my opinion a complex, cluttered and uninspired interface. In contrast the legacy user interface is, easy to navigate, clear and concise, yet extremely informative. The navigation is extremely simple and there are a good deal of options also, whilst not being able to move data windows around the screen as you can in TMG. This is really a personal choice. I much prefer the Legacy approach. TMG data just doesn't stand out for me. Legacy has more views of data than TMG, there is a family, pedigree, descendant, chronology and index view. In TMG you get only what it calls person, family and tree views. Features. There is some good common ground across features which both packages cover, i.e. event sentence structuring, DNA, timelines, focus groups etc. TMG seems to have one feature that everyone craves which it calls witnesses. In contrast Legacy has many features not in TMG and some of these will not be found in any other package. These include research guidance, a Legacy home area where you manage your upgrades, to do lists, birthday reminders and there are news articles published by Legacy. There is the ability to create web pages and to publish a CD of your data. Legacy also has many cool features like drag and drop, to move people from one database to another. Reports. This is a tough one. This is where I find Legacy actually does fall short mainly due to the lack of a good integrated drop chart report. There are many good reports in legacy, such as the descendent narrative reports but the lack of the drop chart is a big issue for me. I find I usually export such trees into another program. Legacy does integrate well with an add on program called Treedraw, but this is extra money and still not as good as other drop reports in my opinion. Legacy staff take note this is THE big issue in Legacy. TMG has a great drop report and many other useful reports too. Add-ons. Legacy has the possibility to work with many add-ons as does TMG. You should look at what you would like to use and see if these are available for either product. I almost moved over to TMG simply because it has an add on called second site, which creates websites from TMG data, and they are wonderful. If only they would produce a Legacy version of this. There's really so much to say about both products. You really MUST get the demo versions of both and try for yourself. One final word. TMG in my opinion is amateurish in it's look and feel. I have no idea what there support is like. However Legacy has a great support ethos and the user group is excellent. Legacy is updated regularly for free (you only pay for major upgrades) some times too much so for some users. I would not hesitate in recommending Legacy and in fact I do so regularly. It's not without it's short comings, but I've found that all of the packages fall short in some area. The perfect one doesn't yet exist yet. If Legacy had better drop charts it would be almost there. Hope this helps. Regards Keith Bage BAGE One Name Study (GOONS registered # 4451) www.bage.org.uk P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy program can be downloaded FREE at http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=5917ADi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of malkajef Sent: 18 September 2006 14:25 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? 2. What features does one have that the other does not? 3. Has anyone used both? Jeff Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Mary, This is a perfectly legitimate question for the list - in Support we periodically get asked this question, which we're really not able to answer since we aren't that familiar with other programs (I used FTM for years, but Legacy's the only program I've really used since 1997!) Usually I'll suggest that they write to LUG to get a comparison! No one can answer it better than those here on the list who have recently used another program (or may still be using it) and are using Legacy now! If the question were specifically about another program, not comparing it to Legacy, then we would consider the question inappropriate. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Young Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:46 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG Hi, Jeff Sorry - but my opinion this List is busy enough, without discussion of other FH programs. Regards, Mary Young On 9/18/06, malkajef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist > seem to often come up together. > > 1. How do they compare? > 2. What features does one have that the other does not? > 3. Has anyone used both? Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
TMG is more costly with a steeper learning curve. I've only tried the trial version. Legacy places husband and wife side by side similar to how they travel through life.On 9/18/06, malkajef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seemto often come up together.1. How do they compare?2. What features does one have that the other does not?3. Has anyone used both? JeffLegacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspTo find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Good Day Jeff, Have you been using another genealogy application? If so, you may wish to try out both Legacy and TMG for import of existing data. Seems each genealogy application keeps data just a bit differently so what is imported and to where in the new application differs a bit. If you have not been using another genealogy application I still recommend you download a trial version of Legacy and TMG and enter some information. Trying the two applications will provide you with a practical exercise in which may be best for you and how you work. You might also check www.moss-fritch.com/Gen_Software.htm as I have some information about each, along with other genealogy applications. Best, Denise L. Moss-Fritch -- Original message -- From: "malkajef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem > to often come up together. > > 1. How do they compare? > 2. What features does one have that the other does not? > 3. Has anyone used both? > > Jeff
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
I have used Family Tree maker for years and recently switched to Legacy. Legacy is better by far. More flexible and easier to use Nico Kleynhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 Texel Close Marina Da Gama 7945 Tel: (h) 021 788 3292 (o) 0860 103 716 Fax: 0860 103 720 Mobile: 083 461 4950 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of malkajef Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 03:25 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? 2. What features does one have that the other does not? 3. Has anyone used both? Jeff Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Hi, Jeff Sorry - but my opinion this List is busy enough, without discussion of other FH programs. Regards, Mary Young On 9/18/06, malkajef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? 2. What features does one have that the other does not? 3. Has anyone used both? Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? 2. What features does one have that the other does not? 3. Has anyone used both? Jeff Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
