Fwd: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources

2007-06-26 Thread Gail Rich Nestor

Hi group, I haven't posted in a long while, but I wanted to forward a
note I sent last November on sourcing.  I too strive for consistency
in sourcing.  You can see some of my source examples on my web site at
http://www.roots2buds.net/browsesources.php.  All of this is via
gedcom exported from Legacy.

I am so hoping that a new version of Legacy will be out soon.  Hasn't
it been close to 2 years now?  Please, please give us some better
source capabilities to an otherwise outstanding program!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


-- Forwarded message --
From: Gail Rich Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Nov 4, 2006 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com


I always like to weigh in on these sourcing questions because they are
near and dear to my heart.  I suppose I take the middle ground with
master sources, but I stay consistent within each source type.  For
example, I do not have a single master source for *all* newspapers,
but instead I have a single one for *each* newspaper.  Some papers get
a lot of use as master sources.  Others may only have one citation
connected to them.  For examples, go to www.roots2buds.net and click
"Sources" and/or "Repositories" from the menu and do some exploring.

For me, each cemetery is its own master source and each tombstone is
in the details.  For vitals, I tend to stick with a collection.  For
example, I have "Georgia Vital Records-1919 to Present."  This is
where I picked up ten death certificates for each of my direct
ancestors who died in GA (yes, that cost me $100 - ouch! can you tell
this is addicting?!).  If instead, I had obtained the death
information from a database online (and did not have the original
certificate), that would have been listed as another master source.

Although some may consider the above to be a repository and the
certificate a source, I consider the *collection* of death
certificates *for an available date range* (older ones in some states
may have gone to the archives or only be held at the county level)
held by the vital records unit to be the master source.  Then, as the
repository, I list the exact facility name and address one would need
to visit or write to in order to get a replacement certificate.  This
usually includes a clickable link to their web site, a phone number,
and sometimes even an e-mail address.  Therefore, the source and
repository are similar here, but not exactly the same.  This situation
also sort of applies to cemeteries.

Cemeteries are also a bit unique though because there's a difference
between one I actually visited and one I only found online.  In some
cases, I have two sources for the same cemetery if some stone
information was obtained online and not during the visit I made
earlier (usually because I found out someone was related *after* I got
home from that 1,000 mile trip!!!).  I keep the two master sources
separate from the cemetery by noting the database name in brackets
after the name (in the source title field).

I like all cemeteries to clump together, so I type the word "cemetery"
at the beginning of the source title field.  This has been a BIG help!
All newspapers are together too, etc.  For Ancestry.com databases,
each separate database is a source and Ancestry.com is the repository.

I suppose this all is different depending on the number of sources you
have.  When I started off, I cited each death certificate as a
separate master and each will, etc.  Now that my source list is rather
large, I have pushed these to the detail level and have clumped the
master sources more.  I think what I have will do me fine for the long
run.  However, when Elizabeth Mills' new *Evidence Explained* book
comes out (which is expected to be in a few months), I plan to
re-evaluate all my citations to make them as close to hers as
possible.

I am very much hoping that Legacy has also, by that time, released
another version where they give more flexibility with the order of
citation output (i.e. the ability to blend components of the master
source (e.g. the web address of a database) with components of the
detail (the date the database was accessed).  Those of you who have
read my previous notes will know I really care about this!  It is an
important part (if not the *most* important!) of our research.  I
believe this is the main reason more certified genealogists do not use
Legacy and that they might switch if this one feature could be
improved.  For me, Legacy's benefits are great, and I am hopeful that
this will be addressed...

Happy sourcing!
Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On 11/4/06, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kirsten,

This is a matter of personal choice. I, seemingly like yourself, do not wish
to have a large number Master Sources and, therefore use a generic source.
The specific name of the item bein

RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (Cathy and Others)

2006-11-05 Thread Cathy

Hi Kirsten,
I wasn't addressing your dilemma over whether or not to use a Master 
Source or Source Detail. That is an individual decision.


If you hadn't missed that you don't have to print the Source List 
Name, that's great. I've seen others miss that.


Re newspapers. Unfortunately I don't have access to many available 
that are relevant to my research. However, I would solve it the way I 
do other things. If I anticipate a lot of use/information I create a 
Master Source. If I don't, I use a generic Master Source.
eg I have a Master Source: Family Member - and in the detail I put 
who and what and when. However, I often get information from some 
family members - so they are there own Master Source.


Re the "awkwardness" of having a Master Source: Newspapers and all 
the info in the Detail. I can't see the problem except you have to 
cope with the extra word at the beginning and do more formatting 
yourself in the Source Detail.


Cathy


At 02:29 PM 6/11/2006, you wrote:


Hello Cathy:

I think I do understand the difference between the two if you're referring
to formatting the Source Name in a way that will cause like items to sort
together--although I admit  I haven't yet used this feature to its full
advantage.  What I'm wrestling with now is the potential for having a Master
Source List of many hundreds of items, and I'm also looking for a shortcut
around the tedium of creating a Master Source for every single one.  Setting
up a properly cited Master Source like "1880 US Census, California," doesn't
bother me because that's used for dozens of families--each with their own
specific detailed text.  Setting up a Master Source for every individual
newspaper with an item pertaining to only one or two individuals, however,
is a bore--even if the name is preceeded by "Newspaper" or some other term
for sorting, not to mention the probability of the Master Source List
growing to ridiculous proportions.

So that's why I'm toying with the possibility of having a Master Source
perhaps called "Cemetery Records" with the individual detail text showing
the cemetery name, location, etc.  This grouping would be particularly
appropriate for me since I have yet to find more than four ancestors buried
in the same cemetery, and usually it's just one per location.  Although the
amount of typing would be about the same, it seems it would be faster and
easier to do it all at the individual's source detail screen rather than
creating a master source.  I'm looking for potential snags in this system
before taking the plunge.  From Bruce Jones' response I've learned that
separating them later could be a headache and from Gail I've learned that
formatting the individual citations could be . . . (can't say "awkward"
because Ron would take exception ); other feedback would certainly be
welcome.

Am I understanding your message correctly, or have I perhaps missed
something that would resolve the dilemma?

Kirsten




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Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

2006-11-05 Thread Bruce Jones

FYI.
I have found that if you do not enter a Title in the master source,
but just the Source List Name, that you will get the Source List Name
included on reports even if you have NOT checked Options > Customise -
Sources Tab - include Source List Name as part of the Source Citation.
This has actually been helpful to me because on some of my sources I
only entered the Source List Name (I have since gone back and added
the title so now the Title prints without the Source List Name).

On 11/5/06, Cathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Kirsten,
I think you haven't yet understood the difference between "Source
List Name" when you are entering a new Master Source and the "Title".

The "Source List Name" is for your benefit and can be ordered any way
you like to make the Master Source list display in a way that is
logical for you.

eg: Gail said she starts all her Cemetery sources with "Cemetery" so
they sort together.
I do the same sort of thing:
eg all my sources from Parish/Church Records begin with "Church
Record" (If I had a better memory, I could use a code as Ron does :-))
like Church Record - Dorset, North Wootton BTs
Church Record - Somerset, Horsington, PRs
The Source Citation, however, ends up like this:
Church of England, Parish Church of North Wootton, Dorset,
England:  Bishop's Transcripts 1585-1880 (FHL British Film No 1239261
Items 24-27) + particular relevant detail
Author, Title (Publication Facts), Source Detail

No doubt it should have a few other bits as well - I don't claim to
have polished sources ready for academic publication . I am to record
enough so that I or someone else with some familiarity of
genealogical sources could find it.

Unless you have checked in Options > Customise - Sources Tab -
include Source List Name as part of the Source Citation on pages in
reports, you'll never see the Source List Name in a report.

Cathy

At 02:13 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote:

>Gail:
>
>I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully
>appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own
>sources under generic headings.  That seems to be where the citation format
>difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain.
>
>And Ron:
>
>I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that
>addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question.  I do like your
>source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result in
>printed source citations or do you just live with it?
>
>Kirsten



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RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (Cathy and Others)

2006-11-05 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Hello Cathy:

I think I do understand the difference between the two if you're referring
to formatting the Source Name in a way that will cause like items to sort
together--although I admit  I haven't yet used this feature to its full
advantage.  What I'm wrestling with now is the potential for having a Master
Source List of many hundreds of items, and I'm also looking for a shortcut
around the tedium of creating a Master Source for every single one.  Setting
up a properly cited Master Source like "1880 US Census, California," doesn't
bother me because that's used for dozens of families--each with their own
specific detailed text.  Setting up a Master Source for every individual
newspaper with an item pertaining to only one or two individuals, however,
is a bore--even if the name is preceeded by "Newspaper" or some other term
for sorting, not to mention the probability of the Master Source List
growing to ridiculous proportions.

So that's why I'm toying with the possibility of having a Master Source
perhaps called "Cemetery Records" with the individual detail text showing
the cemetery name, location, etc.  This grouping would be particularly
appropriate for me since I have yet to find more than four ancestors buried
in the same cemetery, and usually it's just one per location.  Although the
amount of typing would be about the same, it seems it would be faster and
easier to do it all at the individual's source detail screen rather than
creating a master source.  I'm looking for potential snags in this system
before taking the plunge.  From Bruce Jones' response I've learned that
separating them later could be a headache and from Gail I've learned that
formatting the individual citations could be . . . (can't say "awkward"
because Ron would take exception ); other feedback would certainly be
welcome.

Am I understanding your message correctly, or have I perhaps missed
something that would resolve the dilemma?

Kirsten



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 6:44 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Cc: Kirsten Bowman
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)


Hi Kirsten,
I think you haven't yet understood the difference between "Source
List Name" when you are entering a new Master Source and the "Title".

The "Source List Name" is for your benefit and can be ordered any way
you like to make the Master Source list display in a way that is
logical for you.

eg: Gail said she starts all her Cemetery sources with "Cemetery" so
they sort together.
I do the same sort of thing:
eg all my sources from Parish/Church Records begin with "Church
Record" (If I had a better memory, I could use a code as Ron does :-))
like Church Record - Dorset, North Wootton BTs
Church Record - Somerset, Horsington, PRs
The Source Citation, however, ends up like this:
Church of England, Parish Church of North Wootton, Dorset,
England:  Bishop's Transcripts 1585-1880 (FHL British Film No 1239261
Items 24-27) + particular relevant detail
Author, Title (Publication Facts), Source Detail

No doubt it should have a few other bits as well - I don't claim to
have polished sources ready for academic publication . I am to record
enough so that I or someone else with some familiarity of
genealogical sources could find it.

Unless you have checked in Options > Customise - Sources Tab -
include Source List Name as part of the Source Citation on pages in
reports, you'll never see the Source List Name in a report.

Cathy





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Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

2006-11-05 Thread Cathy

Hi Kirsten,
I think you haven't yet understood the difference between "Source 
List Name" when you are entering a new Master Source and the "Title".


The "Source List Name" is for your benefit and can be ordered any way 
you like to make the Master Source list display in a way that is 
logical for you.


eg: Gail said she starts all her Cemetery sources with "Cemetery" so 
they sort together.

I do the same sort of thing:
eg all my sources from Parish/Church Records begin with "Church 
Record" (If I had a better memory, I could use a code as Ron does :-))

like Church Record - Dorset, North Wootton BTs
Church Record - Somerset, Horsington, PRs
The Source Citation, however, ends up like this:
Church of England, Parish Church of North Wootton, Dorset, 
England:  Bishop's Transcripts 1585-1880 (FHL British Film No 1239261 
Items 24-27) + particular relevant detail

Author, Title (Publication Facts), Source Detail

No doubt it should have a few other bits as well - I don't claim to 
have polished sources ready for academic publication . I am to record 
enough so that I or someone else with some familiarity of 
genealogical sources could find it.


Unless you have checked in Options > Customise - Sources Tab - 
include Source List Name as part of the Source Citation on pages in 
reports, you'll never see the Source List Name in a report.


Cathy

At 02:13 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote:


Gail:

I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully
appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own
sources under generic headings.  That seems to be where the citation format
difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain.

And Ron:

I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that
addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question.  I do like your
source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result in
printed source citations or do you just live with it?

Kirsten




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Fw: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

2006-11-04 Thread Patricia Hickin
I'm not going to try to finish this message -- this just disappeared and I 
found it in my sent box -- and I knew to look there first because I'm 
suddenly sending all sorts of incomplete messages to all sorts of people.


So just ignore and accept my apologies, please!

Pat
- Original Message - 
From: "Patricia Hickin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)



I notice you say "Abt
- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)



I really should be in bed!!
it should be 509.html at the end

ie http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.html

and this does work (at leat for me)

Ron Ferguson

_

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From: "Jane Fabiano-Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 16:43:32 -0500

I can't access this site either.  Would love to read more?  Jane

From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (please note my new email)
Visit my websites:  www.wmwebmasters.com
Visit my scrapbook blog at: http://janesscrapbook.blogspot.com/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald
ferguson
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 4:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

Kirsten,

Sorry, the correct URL is
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.htm

I blame the cold which I've got!

Ron Ferguson



_

For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/
__





>From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
>Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:12:18 +
>
>Kirsten,
>
>I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because 
>my
>intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I 
>do

>not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is
>towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that.
>
>So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation 
>in

>that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed
>"Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify.
>
>Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take 
>a

>look at a page on my website at URL
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one
because
>it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be
>affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful 
>to

>have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources
link

>together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come
back.
>
>
>Ron Ferguson
>
>
>
>_
>
>For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
>*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
>Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/
>__
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>>To: 
>>Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
>>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800
>>
>>Gail:
>>
>>I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't 
>>fully
>>appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my 
>>own

>>sources under generic headings.  That seems to be where the citation
>>format
>>difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain.
>>
>>And Ron:
>>
>>I found lots of sourcing discu

Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

2006-11-04 Thread Patricia Hickin

I notice you say "Abt
- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)



I really should be in bed!!
it should be 509.html at the end

ie http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.html

and this does work (at leat for me)

Ron Ferguson

_

For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/
__






From: "Jane Fabiano-Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 16:43:32 -0500

I can't access this site either.  Would love to read more?  Jane

From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (please note my new email)
Visit my websites:  www.wmwebmasters.com
Visit my scrapbook blog at: http://janesscrapbook.blogspot.com/

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald
ferguson
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 4:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

Kirsten,

Sorry, the correct URL is
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.htm

I blame the cold which I've got!

Ron Ferguson



_

For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/
__





>From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
>Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:12:18 +
>
>Kirsten,
>
>I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because my
>intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I 
>do

>not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is
>towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that.
>
>So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation in
>that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed
>"Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify.
>
>Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take a
>look at a page on my website at URL
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one
because
>it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be
>affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful 
>to

>have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources
link

>together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come
back.
>
>
>Ron Ferguson
>
>
>
>_
>
>For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
>*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
>Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/
>__________
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>>To: 
>>Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
>>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800
>>
>>Gail:
>>
>>I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully
>>appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my 
>>own

>>sources under generic headings.  That seems to be where the citation
>>format
>>difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain.
>>
>>And Ron:
>>
>>I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that
>>addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question.  I do like
your
>>source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward
result
>>in
>>printed source citations or do you just live with it?
>>
>>Kirsten
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources

2006-11-04 Thread Bruce Jones
ating to the source. Others have exactly the opposite
> viewpoint. I'm surprised you have not found these discussions in the
> archives as there have ben many.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
>
>
> _
>
> For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
> *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
> Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/
> __
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> >To: "LegacyUserGroup" 
> >Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources
> >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 22:12:33 -0800
> >
> >I've been through the List archives and find many discussions about
> >sourcing
> >but no apparent answer to this question:
> >
> >How do you treat one-time or even two-time master sources?  For example,
if
> >you find an item in some obscure book or newspaper and know you will
never
> >ever find another bit of information in that particular location, do you
> >still create a master source for it?  If so, wouldn't your Master Source
> >List become so unwieldly as to be almost useless?  I'm considering
grouping
> >some of these things under generic categories, possibly such as "Death
> >Records" or "Newspapers" or some other such designations and putting the
> >specifics in details for the individual citations.  The citations
probably
> >wouldn't print out in the best format but on the other hand, it seems
> >awfully cumbersome to have a Master Source List consisting of many
hundreds
> >of different items that each pertain to only one or two individuals.
> >
> >How do others handle this situation?
> >
> >Kirsten
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

2006-11-04 Thread ronald ferguson

I really should be in bed!!
it should be 509.html at the end

ie http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.html

and this does work (at leat for me)

Ron Ferguson

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From: "Jane Fabiano-Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 16:43:32 -0500

I can't access this site either.  Would love to read more?  Jane

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ferguson
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 4:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

Kirsten,

Sorry, the correct URL is
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.htm

I blame the cold which I've got!

Ron Ferguson



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>From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
>Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:12:18 +
>
>Kirsten,
>
>I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because my
>intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I do
>not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is
>towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that.
>
>So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation in
>that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed
>"Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify.
>
>Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take a
>look at a page on my website at URL
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one 
because

>it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be
>affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful to
>have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources 
link


>together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come 
back.

>
>
>Ron Ferguson
>
>
>
>_
>
>For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
>*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
>Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/
>______________
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>>To: 
>>Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
>>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800
>>
>>Gail:
>>
>>I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully
>>appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own
>>sources under generic headings.  That seems to be where the citation
>>format
>>difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain.
>>
>>And Ron:
>>
>>I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that
>>addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question.  I do like 
your
>>source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward 
result

>>in
>>printed source citations or do you just live with it?
>>
>>Kirsten
>

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RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

2006-11-04 Thread Jane Fabiano-Turner
I can't access this site either.  Would love to read more?  Jane

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald
ferguson
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 4:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

Kirsten,

Sorry, the correct URL is 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.htm

I blame the cold which I've got!

Ron Ferguson



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>From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
>Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:12:18 +
>
>Kirsten,
>
>I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because my 
>intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I do 
>not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is 
>towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that.
>
>So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation in 
>that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed 
>"Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify.
>
>Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take a 
>look at a page on my website at URL 
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one because 
>it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be 
>affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful to 
>have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources link

>together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come back.
>
>
>Ron Ferguson
>
>
>
>_
>
>For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
>*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
>Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/
>______________
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>>To: 
>>Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
>>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800
>>
>>Gail:
>>
>>I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully
>>appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own
>>sources under generic headings.  That seems to be where the citation 
>>format
>>difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain.
>>
>>And Ron:
>>
>>I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that
>>addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question.  I do like your
>>source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result 
>>in
>>printed source citations or do you just live with it?
>>
>>Kirsten
>

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RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

2006-11-04 Thread ronald ferguson

Kirsten,

Sorry, the correct URL is 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.htm


I blame the cold which I've got!

Ron Ferguson



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From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:12:18 +

Kirsten,

I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because my 
intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I do 
not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is 
towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that.


So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation in 
that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed 
"Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify.


Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take a 
look at a page on my website at URL 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one because 
it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be 
affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful to 
have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources link 
together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come back.



Ron Ferguson



_

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http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/
__






From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800

Gail:

I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully
appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own
sources under generic headings.  That seems to be where the citation 
format

difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain.

And Ron:

I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that
addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question.  I do like your
source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result 
in

printed source citations or do you just live with it?

Kirsten




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RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

2006-11-04 Thread ronald ferguson

Kirsten,

I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because my 
intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I do 
not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is 
towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that.


So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation in 
that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed 
"Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify.


Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take a 
look at a page on my website at URL 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one because 
it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be 
affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful to 
have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources link 
together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come back.



Ron Ferguson



_

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*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
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__






From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800

Gail:

I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully
appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own
sources under generic headings.  That seems to be where the citation format
difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain.

And Ron:

I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that
addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question.  I do like your
source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result 
in

printed source citations or do you just live with it?

Kirsten


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[LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)

2006-11-04 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Gail:

I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully
appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own
sources under generic headings.  That seems to be where the citation format
difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain.

And Ron:

I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that
addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question.  I do like your
source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result in
printed source citations or do you just live with it?

Kirsten

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Rich Nestor
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 4:09 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources


I always like to weigh on these sourcing questions because they are
near and dear to my heart.  I suppose I take the middle ground with
master sources, but I stay consistent within each source type.  For
example, I do not have a single master source for *all* newspapers,
but instead I have a single one for *each* newspaper.  Some papers get
a lot of use as master sources.  Others may only have one citation
connected to them.  For examples, go to www.roots2buds.net and click
"Sources" and/or "Repositories" from the menu and do some exploring.

For me, each cemetery is its own master source and each tombstone is
in the details.  For vitals, I tend to stick with a collection.  For
example, I have "Georgia Vital Records-1919 to Present."  This is
where I picked up ten death certificates for each of my direct
ancestors who died in GA (yes, that cost me $100 - ouch! can you tell
this is addicting?!).  If instead, I had obtained the death
information from a database online (and did not have the original
certificate), that would have been listed as another master source.

Although some may consider the above to be a repository and the
certificate a source, I consider the *collection* of death
certificates *for an available date range* (older ones in some states
may have gone to the archives or only be held at the county level)
held by the vital records unit to be the master source.  Then, as the
repository, I list the exact facility name and address one would need
to visit or write to in order to get a replacement certificate.  This
usually includes a clickable link to their web site, a phone number,
and sometimes even an e-mail address.  Therefore, the source and
repository are similar here, but not exactly the same.  This situation
also sort of applies to cemeteries.

Cemeteries are also a bit unique though because there's a difference
between one I actually visited and one I only found online.  In some
cases, I have two sources for the same cemetery if some stone
information was obtained online and not during the visit I made
earlier (usually because I found out someone was related *after* I got
home from that 1,000 mile trip!!!).  I keep the two master sources
separate from the cemetery by noting the database name in brackets
after the name (in the source title field).

I like all cemeteries to clump together, so I type the word "cemetery"
at the beginning of the source title field.  This has been a BIG help!
 All newspapers are together too, etc.  For Ancestry.com databases,
each separate database is a source and Ancestry.com is the repository.

I suppose this all is different depending on the number of sources you
have.  When I started off, I cited each death certificate as a
separate master and each will, etc.  Now that my source list is rather
large, I have pushed these to the detail level and have clumped the
master sources more.  I think what I have will do me fine for the long
run.  However, when Elizabeth Mills' new *Evidence Explained* book
comes out (which is expected to be in a few months), I plan to
re-evaluate all my citations to make them as close to hers as
possible.

I am very much hoping that Legacy has also, by that time, released
another version where they give more flexibility with the order of
citation output (i.e. the ability to blend components of the master
source (e.g. the web address of a database) with components of the
detail (the date the database was accessed).  Those of you who have
read my previous notes will know I really care about this!  It is an
important part (if not the *most* important!) of our research.  I
believe this is the main reason more certified genealogists do not use
Legacy and that they might switch if this one feature could be
improved.  For me, Legacy's benefits are great, and I am hopeful that
this will be addressed...

Happy sourcing!
Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On 11/4/06, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kirsten,
>
> This is a matter of personal choice. I, seemingly like yourself, do not
wish
> to have a large number Master Sources and, therefo

Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources

2006-11-04 Thread Gail Rich Nestor

I always like to weigh on these sourcing questions because they are
near and dear to my heart.  I suppose I take the middle ground with
master sources, but I stay consistent within each source type.  For
example, I do not have a single master source for *all* newspapers,
but instead I have a single one for *each* newspaper.  Some papers get
a lot of use as master sources.  Others may only have one citation
connected to them.  For examples, go to www.roots2buds.net and click
"Sources" and/or "Repositories" from the menu and do some exploring.

For me, each cemetery is its own master source and each tombstone is
in the details.  For vitals, I tend to stick with a collection.  For
example, I have "Georgia Vital Records-1919 to Present."  This is
where I picked up ten death certificates for each of my direct
ancestors who died in GA (yes, that cost me $100 - ouch! can you tell
this is addicting?!).  If instead, I had obtained the death
information from a database online (and did not have the original
certificate), that would have been listed as another master source.

Although some may consider the above to be a repository and the
certificate a source, I consider the *collection* of death
certificates *for an available date range* (older ones in some states
may have gone to the archives or only be held at the county level)
held by the vital records unit to be the master source.  Then, as the
repository, I list the exact facility name and address one would need
to visit or write to in order to get a replacement certificate.  This
usually includes a clickable link to their web site, a phone number,
and sometimes even an e-mail address.  Therefore, the source and
repository are similar here, but not exactly the same.  This situation
also sort of applies to cemeteries.

Cemeteries are also a bit unique though because there's a difference
between one I actually visited and one I only found online.  In some
cases, I have two sources for the same cemetery if some stone
information was obtained online and not during the visit I made
earlier (usually because I found out someone was related *after* I got
home from that 1,000 mile trip!!!).  I keep the two master sources
separate from the cemetery by noting the database name in brackets
after the name (in the source title field).

I like all cemeteries to clump together, so I type the word "cemetery"
at the beginning of the source title field.  This has been a BIG help!
All newspapers are together too, etc.  For Ancestry.com databases,
each separate database is a source and Ancestry.com is the repository.

I suppose this all is different depending on the number of sources you
have.  When I started off, I cited each death certificate as a
separate master and each will, etc.  Now that my source list is rather
large, I have pushed these to the detail level and have clumped the
master sources more.  I think what I have will do me fine for the long
run.  However, when Elizabeth Mills' new *Evidence Explained* book
comes out (which is expected to be in a few months), I plan to
re-evaluate all my citations to make them as close to hers as
possible.

I am very much hoping that Legacy has also, by that time, released
another version where they give more flexibility with the order of
citation output (i.e. the ability to blend components of the master
source (e.g. the web address of a database) with components of the
detail (the date the database was accessed).  Those of you who have
read my previous notes will know I really care about this!  It is an
important part (if not the *most* important!) of our research.  I
believe this is the main reason more certified genealogists do not use
Legacy and that they might switch if this one feature could be
improved.  For me, Legacy's benefits are great, and I am hopeful that
this will be addressed...

Happy sourcing!
Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On 11/4/06, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kirsten,

This is a matter of personal choice. I, seemingly like yourself, do not wish
to have a large number Master Sources and, therefore use a generic source.
The specific name of the item being placed in the detail together with other
information relating to the source. Others have exactly the opposite
viewpoint. I'm surprised you have not found these discussions in the
archives as there have ben many.

Ron Ferguson



_

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*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline*
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/
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>From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>To: "LegacyUserGroup" 
>Subject: [LegacyUG] Organiz

RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources

2006-11-04 Thread ronald ferguson

Kirsten,

This is a matter of personal choice. I, seemingly like yourself, do not wish 
to have a large number Master Sources and, therefore use a generic source. 
The specific name of the item being placed in the detail together with other 
information relating to the source. Others have exactly the opposite 
viewpoint. I'm surprised you have not found these discussions in the 
archives as there have ben many.


Ron Ferguson



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From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 22:12:33 -0800

I've been through the List archives and find many discussions about 
sourcing

but no apparent answer to this question:

How do you treat one-time or even two-time master sources?  For example, if
you find an item in some obscure book or newspaper and know you will never
ever find another bit of information in that particular location, do you
still create a master source for it?  If so, wouldn't your Master Source
List become so unwieldly as to be almost useless?  I'm considering grouping
some of these things under generic categories, possibly such as "Death
Records" or "Newspapers" or some other such designations and putting the
specifics in details for the individual citations.  The citations probably
wouldn't print out in the best format but on the other hand, it seems
awfully cumbersome to have a Master Source List consisting of many hundreds
of different items that each pertain to only one or two individuals.

How do others handle this situation?

Kirsten


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[LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources

2006-11-03 Thread Kirsten Bowman
I've been through the List archives and find many discussions about sourcing
but no apparent answer to this question:

How do you treat one-time or even two-time master sources?  For example, if
you find an item in some obscure book or newspaper and know you will never
ever find another bit of information in that particular location, do you
still create a master source for it?  If so, wouldn't your Master Source
List become so unwieldly as to be almost useless?  I'm considering grouping
some of these things under generic categories, possibly such as "Death
Records" or "Newspapers" or some other such designations and putting the
specifics in details for the individual citations.  The citations probably
wouldn't print out in the best format but on the other hand, it seems
awfully cumbersome to have a Master Source List consisting of many hundreds
of different items that each pertain to only one or two individuals.

How do others handle this situation?

Kirsten




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