Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
FYI. I have found that if you do not enter a Title in the master source, but just the Source List Name, that you will get the Source List Name included on reports even if you have NOT checked Options > Customise - Sources Tab - include Source List Name as part of the Source Citation. This has actually been helpful to me because on some of my sources I only entered the Source List Name (I have since gone back and added the title so now the Title prints without the Source List Name). On 11/5/06, Cathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Kirsten, I think you haven't yet understood the difference between "Source List Name" when you are entering a new Master Source and the "Title". The "Source List Name" is for your benefit and can be ordered any way you like to make the Master Source list display in a way that is logical for you. eg: Gail said she starts all her Cemetery sources with "Cemetery" so they sort together. I do the same sort of thing: eg all my sources from Parish/Church Records begin with "Church Record" (If I had a better memory, I could use a code as Ron does :-)) like Church Record - Dorset, North Wootton BTs Church Record - Somerset, Horsington, PRs The Source Citation, however, ends up like this: Church of England, Parish Church of North Wootton, Dorset, England: Bishop's Transcripts 1585-1880 (FHL British Film No 1239261 Items 24-27) + particular relevant detail Author, Title (Publication Facts), Source Detail No doubt it should have a few other bits as well - I don't claim to have polished sources ready for academic publication . I am to record enough so that I or someone else with some familiarity of genealogical sources could find it. Unless you have checked in Options > Customise - Sources Tab - include Source List Name as part of the Source Citation on pages in reports, you'll never see the Source List Name in a report. Cathy At 02:13 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote: >Gail: > >I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully >appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own >sources under generic headings. That seems to be where the citation format >difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain. > >And Ron: > >I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that >addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question. I do like your >source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result in >printed source citations or do you just live with it? > >Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
Hi Kirsten, I think you haven't yet understood the difference between "Source List Name" when you are entering a new Master Source and the "Title". The "Source List Name" is for your benefit and can be ordered any way you like to make the Master Source list display in a way that is logical for you. eg: Gail said she starts all her Cemetery sources with "Cemetery" so they sort together. I do the same sort of thing: eg all my sources from Parish/Church Records begin with "Church Record" (If I had a better memory, I could use a code as Ron does :-)) like Church Record - Dorset, North Wootton BTs Church Record - Somerset, Horsington, PRs The Source Citation, however, ends up like this: Church of England, Parish Church of North Wootton, Dorset, England: Bishop's Transcripts 1585-1880 (FHL British Film No 1239261 Items 24-27) + particular relevant detail Author, Title (Publication Facts), Source Detail No doubt it should have a few other bits as well - I don't claim to have polished sources ready for academic publication . I am to record enough so that I or someone else with some familiarity of genealogical sources could find it. Unless you have checked in Options > Customise - Sources Tab - include Source List Name as part of the Source Citation on pages in reports, you'll never see the Source List Name in a report. Cathy At 02:13 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote: Gail: I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own sources under generic headings. That seems to be where the citation format difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain. And Ron: I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question. I do like your source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result in printed source citations or do you just live with it? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I'm not going to try to finish this message -- this just disappeared and I found it in my sent box -- and I knew to look there first because I'm suddenly sending all sorts of incomplete messages to all sorts of people. So just ignore and accept my apologies, please! Pat - Original Message - From: "Patricia Hickin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) I notice you say "Abt - Original Message - From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) I really should be in bed!! it should be 509.html at the end ie http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.html and this does work (at leat for me) Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ From: "Jane Fabiano-Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 16:43:32 -0500 I can't access this site either. Would love to read more? Jane From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (please note my new email) Visit my websites: www.wmwebmasters.com Visit my scrapbook blog at: http://janesscrapbook.blogspot.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 4:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) Kirsten, Sorry, the correct URL is http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.htm I blame the cold which I've got! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ >From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) >Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:12:18 + > >Kirsten, > >I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because >my >intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I >do >not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is >towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that. > >So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation >in >that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed >"Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify. > >Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take >a >look at a page on my website at URL >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one because >it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be >affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful >to >have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources link >together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come back. > > >Ron Ferguson > > > >_ > >For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ >*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* >Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ >__________ > > > > > >>From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >>To: >>Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) >>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800 >> >>Gail: >> >>I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't >>fully >>appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my >>own >>sources under generic headings. That seems to be where the citation >>format >>difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain. >> >>And Ron: >> >>I found lots of sourcing discu
Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
I notice you say "Abt - Original Message - From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) I really should be in bed!! it should be 509.html at the end ie http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.html and this does work (at leat for me) Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ From: "Jane Fabiano-Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 16:43:32 -0500 I can't access this site either. Would love to read more? Jane From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (please note my new email) Visit my websites: www.wmwebmasters.com Visit my scrapbook blog at: http://janesscrapbook.blogspot.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 4:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) Kirsten, Sorry, the correct URL is http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.htm I blame the cold which I've got! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ >From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) >Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:12:18 + > >Kirsten, > >I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because my >intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I >do >not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is >towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that. > >So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation in >that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed >"Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify. > >Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take a >look at a page on my website at URL >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one because >it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be >affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful >to >have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources link >together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come back. > > >Ron Ferguson > > > >_ > >For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ >*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* >Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ >__________________________ > > > > > >>From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >>To: >>Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) >>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800 >> >>Gail: >> >>I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully >>appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my >>own >>sources under generic headings. That seems to be where the citation >>format >>difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain. >> >>And Ron: >> >>I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that >>addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question. I do like your >>source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result >>in >>printed source citations or do you just live with it? >> >>Kirsten > _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters Legacy User Group guidelines can be
RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
I really should be in bed!! it should be 509.html at the end ie http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.html and this does work (at leat for me) Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ From: "Jane Fabiano-Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 16:43:32 -0500 I can't access this site either. Would love to read more? Jane From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (please note my new email) Visit my websites: www.wmwebmasters.com Visit my scrapbook blog at: http://janesscrapbook.blogspot.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 4:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) Kirsten, Sorry, the correct URL is http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.htm I blame the cold which I've got! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ >From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) >Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:12:18 + > >Kirsten, > >I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because my >intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I do >not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is >towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that. > >So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation in >that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed >"Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify. > >Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take a >look at a page on my website at URL >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one because >it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be >affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful to >have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources link >together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come back. > > >Ron Ferguson > > > >_ > >For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ >*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* >Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ >__________________________ > > > > > >>From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >>To: >>Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) >>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800 >> >>Gail: >> >>I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully >>appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own >>sources under generic headings. That seems to be where the citation >>format >>difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain. >> >>And Ron: >> >>I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that >>addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question. I do like your >>source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result >>in >>printed source citations or do you just live with it? >> >>Kirsten > _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.Legac
RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
I can't access this site either. Would love to read more? Jane From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (please note my new email) Visit my websites: www.wmwebmasters.com Visit my scrapbook blog at: http://janesscrapbook.blogspot.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 4:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) Kirsten, Sorry, the correct URL is http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.htm I blame the cold which I've got! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ >From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) >Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:12:18 + > >Kirsten, > >I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because my >intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I do >not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is >towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that. > >So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation in >that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed >"Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify. > >Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take a >look at a page on my website at URL >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one because >it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be >affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful to >have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources link >together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come back. > > >Ron Ferguson > > > >_ > >For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ >*New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* >Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ >______________ > > > > > >>From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >>To: >>Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) >>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800 >> >>Gail: >> >>I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully >>appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own >>sources under generic headings. That seems to be where the citation >>format >>difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain. >> >>And Ron: >> >>I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that >>addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question. I do like your >>source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result >>in >>printed source citations or do you just live with it? >> >>Kirsten > _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
Kirsten, Sorry, the correct URL is http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/genealogy/509.htm I blame the cold which I've got! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:12:18 + Kirsten, I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because my intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I do not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that. So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation in that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed "Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify. Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take a look at a page on my website at URL http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one because it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful to have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources link together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come back. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800 Gail: I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own sources under generic headings. That seems to be where the citation format difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain. And Ron: I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question. I do like your source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result in printed source citations or do you just live with it? Kirsten _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
Kirsten, I have a problem in answering your question, this is probably because my intention in reports is not to write literature. which may mean that I do not see "awkward results". The other factor is that my main output is towards my website and I go by what it looks like in that. So, my priorities for sources are, accuracy, clarity and presentation in that order. It also follows that I do not recognise supposed "Standards"which, in my view, tend to obfuscate rather than clarify. Therefore, in answer, the best I think I can do is to suggest you take a look at a page on my website at URL http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/509.html. I have picked this one because it has one of the highest number of sources and is most likely to be affected by repetitions and duplications. You may also find it helpful to have a bit of a look around to see how, in general, events and sources link together. If you then have points which you wish to make please come back. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: UK Civil Registration Timeline* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: Subject: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 10:13:05 -0800 Gail: I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own sources under generic headings. That seems to be where the citation format difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain. And Ron: I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question. I do like your source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result in printed source citations or do you just live with it? Kirsten _ Download the new Windows Live Toolbar, including Desktop search! http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-gb Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources (for Gail and Ron)
Gail: I've read your other posts regarding source formatting but didn't fully appreciate the dilemma until I began to consider grouping some of my own sources under generic headings. That seems to be where the citation format difficulty crops up, so now I feel your pain. And Ron: I found lots of sourcing discussions in the archives, but none that addressed the grouping vs. unique Master Source question. I do like your source grouping approach, but do you have a way around the awkward result in printed source citations or do you just live with it? Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gail Rich Nestor Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 4:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Organizing Master Sources I always like to weigh on these sourcing questions because they are near and dear to my heart. I suppose I take the middle ground with master sources, but I stay consistent within each source type. For example, I do not have a single master source for *all* newspapers, but instead I have a single one for *each* newspaper. Some papers get a lot of use as master sources. Others may only have one citation connected to them. For examples, go to www.roots2buds.net and click "Sources" and/or "Repositories" from the menu and do some exploring. For me, each cemetery is its own master source and each tombstone is in the details. For vitals, I tend to stick with a collection. For example, I have "Georgia Vital Records-1919 to Present." This is where I picked up ten death certificates for each of my direct ancestors who died in GA (yes, that cost me $100 - ouch! can you tell this is addicting?!). If instead, I had obtained the death information from a database online (and did not have the original certificate), that would have been listed as another master source. Although some may consider the above to be a repository and the certificate a source, I consider the *collection* of death certificates *for an available date range* (older ones in some states may have gone to the archives or only be held at the county level) held by the vital records unit to be the master source. Then, as the repository, I list the exact facility name and address one would need to visit or write to in order to get a replacement certificate. This usually includes a clickable link to their web site, a phone number, and sometimes even an e-mail address. Therefore, the source and repository are similar here, but not exactly the same. This situation also sort of applies to cemeteries. Cemeteries are also a bit unique though because there's a difference between one I actually visited and one I only found online. In some cases, I have two sources for the same cemetery if some stone information was obtained online and not during the visit I made earlier (usually because I found out someone was related *after* I got home from that 1,000 mile trip!!!). I keep the two master sources separate from the cemetery by noting the database name in brackets after the name (in the source title field). I like all cemeteries to clump together, so I type the word "cemetery" at the beginning of the source title field. This has been a BIG help! All newspapers are together too, etc. For Ancestry.com databases, each separate database is a source and Ancestry.com is the repository. I suppose this all is different depending on the number of sources you have. When I started off, I cited each death certificate as a separate master and each will, etc. Now that my source list is rather large, I have pushed these to the detail level and have clumped the master sources more. I think what I have will do me fine for the long run. However, when Elizabeth Mills' new *Evidence Explained* book comes out (which is expected to be in a few months), I plan to re-evaluate all my citations to make them as close to hers as possible. I am very much hoping that Legacy has also, by that time, released another version where they give more flexibility with the order of citation output (i.e. the ability to blend components of the master source (e.g. the web address of a database) with components of the detail (the date the database was accessed). Those of you who have read my previous notes will know I really care about this! It is an important part (if not the *most* important!) of our research. I believe this is the main reason more certified genealogists do not use Legacy and that they might switch if this one feature could be improved. For me, Legacy's benefits are great, and I am hopeful that this will be addressed... Happy sourcing! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On 11/4/06, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kirsten, > > This is a matter of personal choice. I, seemingly like yourself, do not wish > to have a large number Master Sources and, therefore use a generic source. > The specific name of the item being placed in the detail
