Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children...another bug?
The programmers never tell anyone, including those of us in the company, until it is released. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Jane Fabiano-Turner wrote: Brian, When is the next update due out? Jane Visit my websites: www.wmwebmasters.com Visit my scrapbook blog at: http://janesscrapbook.blogspot.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian/Support Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:33 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children...another bug? That half source problem was part of the Set relationships problem. The fix will be included in the next update to Legacy. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With thanks to an Australian lister, I've managed to enter two of the three out-of-wedlock children in the manner I wanted. (I don't know the name of the third child.) Cousin Mary now has three marriages with the first two showing an unknown husband. I did this by creating a dummy husband and marriage, adding the child and then deleting the husband from the marriage. Legacy now shows the husband as unknown. However, now there is another problem. The two children entered are Vern and Rick. If I use Rick as the focus person and set relationships, a problem appears. On the view screen for any of Rick's half-siblings, Legacy displays the relationship as Half Source. A similar problem appears in another branch of my data. My g-g-grandmother was married twice. The relationships to me for the children from the second marriage should be Half Third Cousin, but no relationship is displayed at all. Is either or are both of these relationship problems part of the relationship bug that was introduced in v6.0.0.110 or have I found something else? Jon Raymond St Paul Park, MN Web site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~raymond/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children
Hi Listers I've had a few of these occurances. I've often added the person as an unlinked individual and then added whichever mother/father I know about. Legacy creates a marriage record, but the spouse is blank and I've set my defaults to keep reports blank when information is not entered, I don't like seeing unknown. This way I can still link in the other parent whenever the information becomes available. Cheers Tracy Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children
wrote I have a cousin, Mary, who had three out-of-wedlock children with three different men before she married and had six children in that marriage. For the three out-of-wedlock children, I do not know the names of the fathers. Legacy insists on adding a father before children can be entered, which is what I do not want. Why do you not want that? The children *had* biological fathers and if your data is to be accurate it should indicate that there were three different fathers, not one and the same, and that you do not know or do not care to indicate who the fathers were. Trying to do anything different would be, in effect, falsifying the records. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children...another bug?
With thanks to an Australian lister, I've managed to enter two of the three out-of-wedlock children in the manner I wanted. (I don't know the name of the third child.) Cousin Mary now has three marriages with the first two showing an unknown husband. I did this by creating a dummy husband and marriage, adding the child and then deleting the husband from the marriage. Legacy now shows the husband as unknown. However, now there is another problem. The two children entered are Vern and Rick. If I use Rick as the focus person and set relationships, a problem appears. On the view screen for any of Rick's half-siblings, Legacy displays the relationship as Half Source. A similar problem appears in another branch of my data. My g-g-grandmother was married twice. The relationships to me for the children from the second marriage should be Half Third Cousin, but no relationship is displayed at all. Is either or are both of these relationship problems part of the relationship bug that was introduced in v6.0.0.110 or have I found something else? Jon Raymond St Paul Park, MN Web site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~raymond/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children...another bug?
That half source problem was part of the Set relationships problem. The fix will be included in the next update to Legacy. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With thanks to an Australian lister, I've managed to enter two of the three out-of-wedlock children in the manner I wanted. (I don't know the name of the third child.) Cousin Mary now has three marriages with the first two showing an unknown husband. I did this by creating a dummy husband and marriage, adding the child and then deleting the husband from the marriage. Legacy now shows the husband as unknown. However, now there is another problem. The two children entered are Vern and Rick. If I use Rick as the focus person and set relationships, a problem appears. On the view screen for any of Rick's half-siblings, Legacy displays the relationship as Half Source. A similar problem appears in another branch of my data. My g-g-grandmother was married twice. The relationships to me for the children from the second marriage should be Half Third Cousin, but no relationship is displayed at all. Is either or are both of these relationship problems part of the relationship bug that was introduced in v6.0.0.110 or have I found something else? Jon Raymond St Paul Park, MN Web site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~raymond/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children...another bug?
Brian, When is the next update due out? Jane Visit my websites: www.wmwebmasters.com Visit my scrapbook blog at: http://janesscrapbook.blogspot.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian/Support Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:33 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children...another bug? That half source problem was part of the Set relationships problem. The fix will be included in the next update to Legacy. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With thanks to an Australian lister, I've managed to enter two of the three out-of-wedlock children in the manner I wanted. (I don't know the name of the third child.) Cousin Mary now has three marriages with the first two showing an unknown husband. I did this by creating a dummy husband and marriage, adding the child and then deleting the husband from the marriage. Legacy now shows the husband as unknown. However, now there is another problem. The two children entered are Vern and Rick. If I use Rick as the focus person and set relationships, a problem appears. On the view screen for any of Rick's half-siblings, Legacy displays the relationship as Half Source. A similar problem appears in another branch of my data. My g-g-grandmother was married twice. The relationships to me for the children from the second marriage should be Half Third Cousin, but no relationship is displayed at all. Is either or are both of these relationship problems part of the relationship bug that was introduced in v6.0.0.110 or have I found something else? Jon Raymond St Paul Park, MN Web site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~raymond/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children
I agree about Unknown or FNU LNU, but with 3 different fathers I also think you need Unknown 1, Unknown 2, Unknown 3. - Original Message - From: Laurence E Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posed this question once before, but am still having problems with the data entry. I have a cousin, Mary, who had three out-of-wedlock children with three different men before she married and had six children in that marriage. For the three out-of-wedlock children, I do not know the names of the fathers. Legacy insists on adding a father before children can be entered, which is what I do not want. I tried adding a dummy father, entering the child and then unlinking the dummy father from the mother. However, at that point the child is an orphan with no parents. If I then try to link the child to the mother, I have to link to the known marriage; again, that is what I do not want. How can I add the three children to Mary and not have to include unknown fathers or link the children to the known marriage? Ideas...please. Jon you can not get around the child having a father, in Legacy and in life. That is a fact of life. Legacy needs two people to create a child. I usually name the father as unknown. Mary had three liaisons, plus a marraige, thats life -- Regards Laurence E Stephenson www.users.bigpond.net.au/steppayne I am Researching:- Butcher..Stroud, Gloucestershire, England1856 Fortune..Berwickshire, Scotland..1858 Garlick..Liverpool, Lancashire, England..1863 Mee..Kilflyn, Limerick, Ireland (Palatine)...1884 PayneWashingborough, Lincolnshire, England...1863 Ritchie..Bonhill, Dunbartonshire, Scotland...1860 Stephenson...Pickering, Yorkshire, England ..1856 Wittick..(Convict) Walsall, Staffordshire, England...1822 Heartnet = Heart support = http://heartnet.cci.ecu.edu.au/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children...another bug?
However, the other bug re the children who are actually half siblings being reported as 1st cousins by the relationship calculator if the unknown fathers are left blank and not all showing in when show 1/2 kids is chosen, is not fixed in the current beta. Cathy At 01:33 AM 20/10/2006, you wrote: That half source problem was part of the Set relationships problem. The fix will be included in the next update to Legacy. Brian Customer Support Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children
Legacy will automatically assign unknown to missing individuals in the childparentsgrand parents. So when I don't know anything about the previous generation I manually enter unidentified. If I do know the last name, e.g., Smith I will use the unidentified as the given name. Legacy will then show this individual with all of my other Smiths. Also you will be able to sort by unidentified, or :Smith, unidentified Sometimes it is just too confusing for me, especially when I was confused to start with. Kate Smith Redford Salem, Oregon, USA 503-910-6055 (cell phone) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patricia Hickin Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:52 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children I agree about Unknown or FNU LNU, but with 3 different fathers I also think you need Unknown 1, Unknown 2, Unknown 3. - Original Message - From: Laurence E Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posed this question once before, but am still having problems with the data entry. I have a cousin, Mary, who had three out-of-wedlock children with three different men before she married and had six children in that marriage. For the three out-of-wedlock children, I do not know the names of the fathers. Legacy insists on adding a father before children can be entered, which is what I do not want. I tried adding a dummy father, entering the child and then unlinking the dummy father from the mother. However, at that point the child is an orphan with no parents. If I then try to link the child to the mother, I have to link to the known marriage; again, that is what I do not want. How can I add the three children to Mary and not have to include unknown fathers or link the children to the known marriage? Ideas...please. Jon you can not get around the child having a father, in Legacy and in life. That is a fact of life. Legacy needs two people to create a child. I usually name the father as unknown. Mary had three liaisons, plus a marraige, thats life -- Regards Laurence E Stephenson www.users.bigpond.net.au/steppayne I am Researching:- Butcher..Stroud, Gloucestershire, England1856 Fortune..Berwickshire, Scotland..1858 Garlick..Liverpool, Lancashire, England..1863 Mee..Kilflyn, Limerick, Ireland (Palatine)...1884 PayneWashingborough, Lincolnshire, England...1863 Ritchie..Bonhill, Dunbartonshire, Scotland...1860 Stephenson...Pickering, Yorkshire, England ..1856 Wittick..(Convict) Walsall, Staffordshire, England...1822 Heartnet = Heart support = http://heartnet.cci.ecu.edu.au/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children
I posed this question once before, but am still having problems with the data entry. I have a cousin, Mary, who had three out-of-wedlock children with three different men before she married and had six children in that marriage. For the three out-of-wedlock children, I do not know the names of the fathers. Legacy insists on adding a father before children can be entered, which is what I do not want. I tried adding a dummy father, entering the child and then unlinking the dummy father from the mother. However, at that point the child is an orphan with no parents. If I then try to link the child to the mother, I have to link to the known marriage; again, that is what I do not want. How can I add the three children to Mary and not have to include unknown fathers or link the children to the known marriage? Ideas...please. Jon Raymond St Paul Park, MN Web site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~raymond/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posed this question once before, but am still having problems with the data entry. I have a cousin, Mary, who had three out-of-wedlock children with three different men before she married and had six children in that marriage. For the three out-of-wedlock children, I do not know the names of the fathers. Legacy insists on adding a father before children can be entered, which is what I do not want. I tried adding a dummy father, entering the child and then unlinking the dummy father from the mother. However, at that point the child is an orphan with no parents. If I then try to link the child to the mother, I have to link to the known marriage; again, that is what I do not want. How can I add the three children to Mary and not have to include unknown fathers or link the children to the known marriage? Ideas...please. Jon you can not get around the child having a father, in Legacy and in life. That is a fact of life. Legacy needs two people to create a child. I usually name the father as unknown. Mary had three liaisons, plus a marraige, thats life -- Regards Laurence E Stephenson www.users.bigpond.net.au/steppayne I am Researching:- Butcher..Stroud, Gloucestershire, England1856 Fortune..Berwickshire, Scotland..1858 Garlick..Liverpool, Lancashire, England..1863 Mee..Kilflyn, Limerick, Ireland (Palatine)...1884 PayneWashingborough, Lincolnshire, England...1863 Ritchie..Bonhill, Dunbartonshire, Scotland...1860 Stephenson...Pickering, Yorkshire, England ..1856 Wittick..(Convict) Walsall, Staffordshire, England...1822 Heartnet = Heart support = http://heartnet.cci.ecu.edu.au/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Out-of-wedlock children
Hi Jon, All children have fathers even if they are unknown. You cannot add a child in Legacy without adding a marriage The father does not need to be added. You can choose in Options Customise to leave unknown fathers blank (Data format tab: Word for blank records) Your choice is to add all three out-of-wedlock children to the same unknown father (which you will probably prefer) OR to 3 different unknowns. If you do the latter, currently you'll have relationship problems with the relationship calculator. The children show as 1st cousins to one another, rather than as half-siblings and they won't all show when you choose to view 1/2 kids in Family View. This is a known and recorded bug of long standing. It is often easier to add the child as an unlinked individual and then link them to the relevant marriage. Hope that helps, Cathy At 10:24 AM 19/10/2006, you wrote: I posed this question once before, but am still having problems with the data entry. I have a cousin, Mary, who had three out-of-wedlock children with three different men before she married and had six children in that marriage. For the three out-of-wedlock children, I do not know the names of the fathers. Legacy insists on adding a father before children can be entered, which is what I do not want. I tried adding a dummy father, entering the child and then unlinking the dummy father from the mother. However, at that point the child is an orphan with no parents. If I then try to link the child to the mother, I have to link to the known marriage; again, that is what I do not want. How can I add the three children to Mary and not have to include unknown fathers or link the children to the known marriage? Ideas...please. Jon Raymond Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
