Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-06 Thread Jenny M Benson

Karl Plenge wrote
I'm running into a lot of situations where their name in the census is 
actually incorrect, such as


James A when it should be James H

or the first and middle names transposed, such as

Ralph Samuel Green when it should be Samuel Ralph Green


I think it is important to record *what was written at the time*, 
regardless of whether or not we consider this to be wrong. When 
recording Census information, I always look at the image and record what 
was actually written by the Enumerator, which is not necessarily what 
Ancestry's transcribers record!


Remember that - in the case of UK Censuses, at least - what is seen in 
the images is what the Enumerator wrote up in their Book, copied from 
the actual Census sheets filled in by (in most cases) the householder. 
If there is a mistake it is impossible to know if this was the 
Enumerator's error of if what the householder wrote was not exactly what 
we think it should have been.


I have come across many instances of transposed forenames, both in 
Censuses and Marriage/Death indexes.  I believe that people were much 
less fussy about their names a couple of hundred years ago.  Spellings 
were very fluid and I think it was probably quite common for, say, Mary 
Louise who was generally known in the family as Louise, to be recorded 
more or less frequently as Louise Mary.

--
Jenny M Benson


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RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-04 Thread Janis Gilmore
I interpret the names from the digital image, as I believe they were
recorded by the enumerator. If the name is right, but it was transcribed and
indexed incorrectly by Ancestry, I add a bracketed note at the end of the
source citation: [Indexed on Ancestry.com as John Debode.] If the name was
mangled by the enumerator, I source it exactly as it was written, but insert
a bracketed note, as in: John Debord household [sic: DeBoard]. If it was
mangled by the enumerator, and Ancestry indexed it differently than I
believe it was recorded, I add both notes, which would look like this:

1860 U.S. census, Lawrence County, Arkansas, population schedule, Black
River Township, p. 53 (penned), dwelling 377, family 387. John Debord [sic:
DeBoard] household: digital image by subscription, Ancestry.com
http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 2 August 2007; from National Archives
microform  M653, roll 45. [Indexed on Ancestry.com as John Debode.]

I'm not sure that's a correct usage of the term sic - can anyone
straighten me out on that? (I know, I should google it)

Janis


In reply to previous message:
I am wondering what you all do as far as citing the source when you run
across 
someone who is improperly indexed in the census.  





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-04 Thread M. Brenzel
Please keep in mind that once again we have found a situation where many
people do many different things with Legacy.  Whatever works best for
you!

I don't reference how a census entry was indexed by Ancestry as I add
the entire entry into the Source Detail notes.  This shows it as the
enumerator recorded it.  The actual enumeration district, roll and page
are also added into the source details.  No need to tell anyone that it
was indexed wrong if you provide the exact location of the entry.

Mary

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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

I interpret the names from the digital image, as I believe they were
recorded by the enumerator. If the name is right, but it was transcribed
and
indexed incorrectly by Ancestry, I add a bracketed note at the end of
the
source citation: [Indexed on Ancestry.com as John Debode.] If the name
was
mangled by the enumerator, I source it exactly as it was written, but
insert
a bracketed note, as in: John Debord household [sic: DeBoard]. If it was
mangled by the enumerator, and Ancestry indexed it differently than I
believe it was recorded, I add both notes, which would look like this:

1860 U.S. census, Lawrence County, Arkansas, population schedule, Black
River Township, p. 53 (penned), dwelling 377, family 387. John Debord
[sic:
DeBoard] household: digital image by subscription, Ancestry.com
http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 2 August 2007; from National
Archives
microform  M653, roll 45. [Indexed on Ancestry.com as John Debode.]

I'm not sure that's a correct usage of the term sic - can anyone
straighten me out on that? (I know, I should google it)

Janis


In reply to previous message:
I am wondering what you all do as far as citing the source when you run
across 
someone who is improperly indexed in the census.  





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-04 Thread ronald ferguson


Janis,

sic means as written so from your example I think it should be John Debord 
(sic) [John DeBoard] or some phrasiology like that.


Ron Ferguson



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From: Janis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 09:21:29 -0400

I interpret the names from the digital image, as I believe they were
recorded by the enumerator. If the name is right, but it was transcribed 
and

indexed incorrectly by Ancestry, I add a bracketed note at the end of the
source citation: [Indexed on Ancestry.com as John Debode.] If the name 
was
mangled by the enumerator, I source it exactly as it was written, but 
insert

a bracketed note, as in: John Debord household [sic: DeBoard]. If it was
mangled by the enumerator, and Ancestry indexed it differently than I
believe it was recorded, I add both notes, which would look like this:

1860 U.S. census, Lawrence County, Arkansas, population schedule, Black
River Township, p. 53 (penned), dwelling 377, family 387. John Debord [sic:
DeBoard] household: digital image by subscription, Ancestry.com
http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 2 August 2007; from National Archives
microform  M653, roll 45. [Indexed on Ancestry.com as John Debode.]

I'm not sure that's a correct usage of the term sic - can anyone
straighten me out on that? (I know, I should google it)

Janis


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-04 Thread Randolph Clark
Or even phraseology.

On 8/4/07, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Janis,

 sic means as written so from your example I think it should be John
 Debord
 (sic) [John DeBoard] or some phrasiology like that.

 Ron Ferguson



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 From: Janis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations
 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 09:21:29 -0400
 
 I interpret the names from the digital image, as I believe they were
 recorded by the enumerator. If the name is right, but it was transcribed
 and
 indexed incorrectly by Ancestry, I add a bracketed note at the end of the
 source citation: [Indexed on Ancestry.com as John Debode.] If the name
 was
 mangled by the enumerator, I source it exactly as it was written, but
 insert
 a bracketed note, as in: John Debord household [sic: DeBoard]. If it was
 mangled by the enumerator, and Ancestry indexed it differently than I
 believe it was recorded, I add both notes, which would look like this:
 
 1860 U.S. census, Lawrence County, Arkansas, population schedule, Black
 River Township, p. 53 (penned), dwelling 377, family 387. John Debord
 [sic:
 DeBoard] household: digital image by subscription, Ancestry.com
 http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 2 August 2007; from National
 Archives
 microform  M653, roll 45. [Indexed on Ancestry.com as John Debode.]
 
 I'm not sure that's a correct usage of the term sic - can anyone
 straighten me out on that? (I know, I should google it)
 
 Janis

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-04 Thread ronald ferguson


but phrasiology (sic)!

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From: Randolph Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 09:53:31 -0400

Or even phraseology.

On 8/4/07, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Janis,

 sic means as written so from your example I think it should be John
 Debord
 (sic) [John DeBoard] or some phrasiology like that.

 Ron Ferguson



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 From: Janis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations
 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 09:21:29 -0400
 
 I interpret the names from the digital image, as I believe they were
 recorded by the enumerator. If the name is right, but it was 
transcribed

 and
 indexed incorrectly by Ancestry, I add a bracketed note at the end of 
the
 source citation: [Indexed on Ancestry.com as John Debode.] If the 
name

 was
 mangled by the enumerator, I source it exactly as it was written, but
 insert
 a bracketed note, as in: John Debord household [sic: DeBoard]. If it 
was

 mangled by the enumerator, and Ancestry indexed it differently than I
 believe it was recorded, I add both notes, which would look like this:
 
 1860 U.S. census, Lawrence County, Arkansas, population schedule, Black
 River Township, p. 53 (penned), dwelling 377, family 387. John Debord
 [sic:
 DeBoard] household: digital image by subscription, Ancestry.com
 http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 2 August 2007; from National
 Archives
 microform  M653, roll 45. [Indexed on Ancestry.com as John Debode.]
 
 I'm not sure that's a correct usage of the term sic - can anyone
 straighten me out on that? (I know, I should google it)
 
 Janis



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[LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-03 Thread Karl Plenge
I am wondering what you all do as far as citing the source when you run across 
someone who is improperly indexed in the census.  Do you record them in the 
source with their accurate name, their indexed name from the census, or with 
notes explaining both?


My inclination is to use their correct name, but if you do that and someone else 
uses your source to try to find them, they won't because they're under a 
different name. 





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-03 Thread ronald ferguson


Karl

I always use the proper name, providing that is the one used in the 
document, with a note to say that the index is incorrect.


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From: Karl Plenge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:04:23 -0400

I am wondering what you all do as far as citing the source when you run 
across someone who is improperly indexed in the census.  Do you record them 
in the source with their accurate name, their indexed name from the census, 
or with notes explaining both?


My inclination is to use their correct name, but if you do that and someone 
else uses your source to try to find them, they won't because they're under 
a different name.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-03 Thread Karl Plenge
I always use the proper name, providing that is the one used in the document, 
with a note to say that the index is incorrect.



I'm running into a lot of situations where their name in the census is actually 
incorrect, such as


James A when it should be James H

or the first and middle names transposed, such as

Ralph Samuel Green when it should be Samuel Ralph Green 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-03 Thread Bob
When I source a census, in addition to the location I include the 
district number, page number, and line number, so anyone should be able 
to get to it no matter how the name was spelled.


If the census information is from Ancestry.com, you can make it possible 
for others to find the information using the proper name.  Ancestry 
allows you to submit corrections or changes to their data, whether the 
census taker wrote it down wrong or the indexer read it wrong or the 
person was generally known by a different name.  After Ancestry has 
processed your change, people will be able to locate the information 
using the name that you have provided.


Karl Plenge wrote:
I am wondering what you all do as far as citing the source when you 
run across someone who is improperly indexed in the census.  Do you 
record them in the source with their accurate name, their indexed name 
from the census, or with notes explaining both?


My inclination is to use their correct name, but if you do that and 
someone else uses your source to try to find them, they won't because 
they're under a different name. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-03 Thread Susan Daily
Karl, this is one way that I show something like that:
Warren, Bristol, Rhode Island; Roll: 2168; Page: 3B; Enumeration District:
10; Image: 377.0; dwelling 76, family 77, Martin O'Neil household;
enumerated 3 Apr 1930; digital image, Ancestry.com (accessed 3 Mar 2007).
[Indexed under Martin W Omeil]

But if you are using Ancestry.com to view the census, then I encourage you
to click on the Comments and Corrections link at the right of the person's
record, and change the name to what the correct reading should be (and
correct all the family members if it affected more than one person). This
way, one day someone can find it under the correct name. [If you search for
Martin W Omeil you'll see how I corrected it.]

Susan

On 8/3/07, Karl Plenge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am wondering what you all do as far as citing the source when you run
 across
 someone who is improperly indexed in the census.  Do you record them in
 the
 source with their accurate name, their indexed name from the census, or
 with
 notes explaining both?

 My inclination is to use their correct name, but if you do that and
 someone else
 uses your source to try to find them, they won't because they're under a
 different name.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-03 Thread marilyn E B
While others will probably explain the best way to handle this within
Legacy, I will give
you some suggestions as to what you should do if the site you are
using is Ancestry.com for your census information. This will help
anyone searching for your
ancestors. There is a correction button for any name you find
misspelled or indexed
incorrectly. Ancestory will do little triangles or icons next to the
name and eventually
they even get around to fixing whatever has to be done for your
correction to show
there. While they don't actually change the name if you do a search
for your ancestor
by the correct name, with time it will come up when you do your search.

Try this search: Abraham E Garrett, b 1874 and died 1936, for location
enter Tennessee in both fields. The two triangles showing are just the
correct variation of
Garrett. Then the one for 1930, which is different, will appear next
to the surname,Gavett. These all come up together for my
grandfather. I sent in the corrections. I finally found the 1930
records by searching for a Lenore and her birthdate.

I would also like to know how to handle this in Legacy, when I can get
around to all the
details. I feel that making the corrections is just a part of giving
back for all that I have been helped by others.

I want to say I enjoy this list and learning from those who are so
knowledgeable in using
the Legacy Program.

Marilyn

On 8/3/07, Karl Plenge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am wondering what you all do as far as citing the source when you run across
 someone who is improperly indexed in the census.  Do you record them in the
 source with their accurate name, their indexed name from the census, or with
 notes explaining both?

 My inclination is to use their correct name, but if you do that and someone 
 else
 uses your source to try to find them, they won't because they're under a
 different name.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-03 Thread William Anderson
My two-pence (or cents) worth.

1. Try and get the index changed to show the name(s) on the original source
document, but always remember the source is the document NOT the index.
2. Record the name as given on the original source document - even if you 'know'
it is incorrect.
3. Make a note of the discrepancy under the detail of the source.

Bill Anderson

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

I am wondering what you all do as far as citing the source when you run across 
someone who is improperly indexed in the census.  Do you record them in the 
source with their accurate name, their indexed name from the census, or with 
notes explaining both?

My inclination is to use their correct name, but if you do that and someone else

uses your source to try to find them, they won't because they're under a 
different name. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-03 Thread TaylorResearch4u
I use the correct name 'n put the incorrect name under AKAs (with a  notation 
in the source)
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-03 Thread ronald ferguson





From: Karl Plenge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:16:49 -0400

I always use the proper name, providing that is the one used in the 
document, with a note to say that the index is incorrect.



I'm running into a lot of situations where their name in the census is 
actually incorrect, such as


James A when it should be James H

or the first and middle names transposed, such as

Ralph Samuel Green when it should be Samuel Ralph Green


Karl,

This begs the question as to what is the correct name.  WRT the UK (which 
is all I can really talk about) I adopt the following priorities and refer 
to original documents except where stated otherwise.


1. Birth Certificates or Parish Registers if BCs not available
2. Marriage Certificates
3. Death Certificates
4. Other Official/Legal Documents
5. Family Records
6. The most common names used in censuses
7. Indexes (If documents not available)
8. Correspondence

Other names I put in AKA's.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing census citations

2007-08-03 Thread MJMethod
 
 
 
Karl,
You've seen other good responses, especially about providing corrections to  
sources like Ancestry which accept them.
 
I typically copy/paste source info into the Source Text or the Detail. If  
there is a correction, it is noted as such (e.g. today I had an Ancestry 
entry 
 of Susie in the index - which clearly should have been Cecelia if you 
look  at the original).
I also agree with the other comments about those  who have Given/Middle 
names reversed.
Whether or not such name differences make it into  AKA or a Nickname is a 
judgement - based primarily on an estimate of  whether it was a name which 
was intentionally used or merely an accident of  either the original record 
keeper or the indexer. Even if it doesn't warrant AKA  or Nickname, it usually 
becomes part of a note which describes possible  confusions about the name.

Mike

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In a message dated 8/3/2007 1:09:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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I am  wondering what you all do as far as citing the source when you run 
across  
someone who is improperly indexed in the census.  Do you record them  in the 
source with their accurate name, their indexed name from the  census, or with 
notes explaining both?

My inclination is to use  their correct name, but if you do that and someone 
else 
uses your source  to try to find them, they won't because they're under a 
different  name.



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