RE: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
Thanks to all for the useful replies. I like Jenny's idea of putting the 'long blurb' in the text tab of the Mastet Scource. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: 01 October 2008 01:32 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. My bad. I misread the question to being about avoiding multiple inputting of data. Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 11:39 AM > RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote > >Redundancy is not evil. The disk space used by the 4 > characters is made > >up for by the 'fact' it is appearing somewhere > in whichever report you > >use, without retyping. In the past, I used > abbreviations to save disk > >space usage, I learned and changed my ways. > > Richard, you made this reply to a post of mine, but I'm > afraid I can't > see any relevance to what I said. > > I never mentioned anything being redundant. When you refer > to "4 > characters" I presume you mean the year. The OP asked > if he should use > "1951" as in the Census title or use > "2005" from the Ancestry "blurb." > I replied that I would not use 1951 but would use 2005 and > gave my > reasons, which had nothing to do with anything being > redundant. > > As far as I am aware, no one has made any reference in this > thread to > saving disk space. The question is about the > "correct" or most-favoured > way to cite a particular source. > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
My bad. I misread the question to being about avoiding multiple inputting of data. Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in > the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 11:39 AM > RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote > >Redundancy is not evil. The disk space used by the 4 > characters is made > >up for by the 'fact' it is appearing somewhere > in whichever report you > >use, without retyping. In the past, I used > abbreviations to save disk > >space usage, I learned and changed my ways. > > Richard, you made this reply to a post of mine, but I'm > afraid I can't > see any relevance to what I said. > > I never mentioned anything being redundant. When you refer > to "4 > characters" I presume you mean the year. The OP asked > if he should use > "1951" as in the Census title or use > "2005" from the Ancestry "blurb." > I replied that I would not use 1951 but would use 2005 and > gave my > reasons, which had nothing to do with anything being > redundant. > > As far as I am aware, no one has made any reference in this > thread to > saving disk space. The question is about the > "correct" or most-favoured > way to cite a particular source. > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote Redundancy is not evil. The disk space used by the 4 characters is made up for by the 'fact' it is appearing somewhere in whichever report you use, without retyping. In the past, I used abbreviations to save disk space usage, I learned and changed my ways. Richard, you made this reply to a post of mine, but I'm afraid I can't see any relevance to what I said. I never mentioned anything being redundant. When you refer to "4 characters" I presume you mean the year. The OP asked if he should use "1951" as in the Census title or use "2005" from the Ancestry "blurb." I replied that I would not use 1951 but would use 2005 and gave my reasons, which had nothing to do with anything being redundant. As far as I am aware, no one has made any reference in this thread to saving disk space. The question is about the "correct" or most-favoured way to cite a particular source. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
Redundancy is not evil. The disk space used by the 4 characters is made up for by the 'fact' it is appearing somewhere in whichever report you use, without retyping. In the past, I used abbreviations to save disk space usage, I learned and changed my ways. Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in > the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 5:05 AM > music-line wrote > >Just interested to see what people do here. What > information would > >people put in the 'published date' section of > the sourcewriter template > >if the information is found online at ancestry.com? > >1851? It is the 1851 census of England, so is there > any point in > >putting it twice? > > No! > > > >2005? > > Well, that's what I put. > > > >Or would folk copy the whole sentence? > > > >"1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, > UT, USA: The > >Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Census > Returns of > >England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The > National Archives of > >the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data > imaged from the > >National Archives, London, England." > > It has been dropped from the SourceWriter tab, but on the > Text tab of > the Basic Style Master source was the helpful suggestion > "(copy of > description contained within the source)" and that is > exactly what I put > on the Text tab of Master Sources. So for the 1851 Census > I enter that > sentence you have quoted above. > > Sometimes it is useful even to me to have this explanatory > text for a > rather obscure website; in the case of Ancestry probably > nearly everyone > knows what it is, but for the benefit of those who > don't there is the > option to include this text the first time the Master > Source is cited in > a Report. > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
David, The published date field for an online source is reserved for the year when the document/database was initially published if you can locate that information. For Ancestry.com databases, it is always available in their citation. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of music-line Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:58 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. Hi everyone, Just interested to see what people do here. What information would people put in the 'published date' section of the sourcewriter template if the information is found online at ancestry.com? 1851? It is the 1851 census of England, so is there any point in putting it twice? 2005? Or would folk copy the whole sentence? "1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England." Best wishes David Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
The original source is National Archives HO107 (HO stands for Home Office) and the class is England and Wales Census for 1851 (not just England). There are many organisations who have transcribed the images, but the original image production was done by the National Archives in the days when it was the PRO or Public Record Office. The National Archives is at Kew (which is now a suburb of London) so I use "Census of England and Wales 1851, National Archive, Kew, Richmond, Surrey (Class HO107)" and then the publisher, which in my case is TheGenealogist.com John 2008/9/30 Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > music-line wrote > >> Just interested to see what people do here. What information would people >> put in the 'published date' section of the sourcewriter template if the >> information is found online at ancestry.com? >> 1851? It is the 1851 census of England, so is there any point in putting >> it twice? >> > > No! > >> >> 2005? >> > > Well, that's what I put. > >> >> Or would folk copy the whole sentence? >> >> "1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations >> Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, >> 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public >> Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, >> England." >> > > It has been dropped from the SourceWriter tab, but on the Text tab of the > Basic Style Master source was the helpful suggestion "(copy of description > contained within the source)" and that is exactly what I put on the Text tab > of Master Sources. So for the 1851 Census I enter that sentence you have > quoted above. > > Sometimes it is useful even to me to have this explanatory text for a > rather obscure website; in the case of Ancestry probably nearly everyone > knows what it is, but for the benefit of those who don't there is the option > to include this text the first time the Master Source is cited in a Report. > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
ronald ferguson wrote There is no way I would put in all that stuff from Ancestry!! As you will see elsewhere in this thread, I do! (For the reasons I have given.) Ancestry is the repository and not the source. I agree with you, but Ancestry is "publishing" the Census and "handy hint" for that field reads "Type the date posted, updated or copyrighted" so it seems to make sense to put that 2005 date in there. Well, it does to me, anyway! Although I don't always bother to fill that field (or the equivalent) in Master Sources and I think it probably doesn't matter terribly much, in most (all?) cases if one chooses to ignore it. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
music-line wrote Just interested to see what people do here. What information would people put in the 'published date' section of the sourcewriter template if the information is found online at ancestry.com? 1851? It is the 1851 census of England, so is there any point in putting it twice? No! 2005? Well, that's what I put. Or would folk copy the whole sentence? "1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England." It has been dropped from the SourceWriter tab, but on the Text tab of the Basic Style Master source was the helpful suggestion "(copy of description contained within the source)" and that is exactly what I put on the Text tab of Master Sources. So for the 1851 Census I enter that sentence you have quoted above. Sometimes it is useful even to me to have this explanatory text for a rather obscure website; in the case of Ancestry probably nearly everyone knows what it is, but for the benefit of those who don't there is the option to include this text the first time the Master Source is cited in a Report. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
David, There is no way I would put in all that stuff from Ancestry!! I have actually put in "1851" - I must been rather keen that day as I have put the actual date of the census in the recorded date. The "1851" to which you refer actually only appears in the Bibliography and I agree it is a bit of a waste of time - so no problem in leaving it out. Ancestry is the repository and not the source. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the > the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:57:37 +0100 > > Hi everyone, > > Just interested to see what people do here. What information would people > put in the 'published date' section of the sourcewriter template if the > information is found online at ancestry.com? > > 1851? It is the 1851 census of England, so is there any point in putting it > twice? > > 2005? > > Or would folk copy the whole sentence? > > "1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations > Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, > 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public > Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, > England." > > Best wishes > > David > > * > David S Brookes > Musical Director, The Brewood Singers > www.brewoodsingers.co.uk > Organist & Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey > www.polesworthabbey.co.uk > * > > _ Get all your favourite content with the slick new MSN Toolbar - FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354027/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
