Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-08 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
I accidently today added 3 people who were in my DB already. When I checked the 
name list for the next person, saw the mistake. Two of them now have new AKA's 
and the sources went well. It took ten minutes to find and do the merge. 
An old program (will remain nameless) would go in and find same named siblings 
'with birth years only' and kept asking me 'should they be merged'?, with no 
tool like potential problems check offs, to tell the computer, never show these 
again. That was in the 1990s, but I will never trust the computer to 'find' 
them. 
Rich in LA CA

--- On Wed, 10/8/08, Elizabeth Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Elizabeth Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 6:48 PM
> How did this work?
> 
> In Legacy, you click Add New [wife, husband, father,
> mother, son, daughter] 
> OR you click Add Existing. Existing brings up the name
> list. Add New brings 
> up an individual screen. It seems you would have to type in
> information for 
> it to look at your database. Seems simple enough to just
> click Add Existing, 
> then look at your name list. If the person isn't
> already there, click 
> Cancel, click Add New. What's the deal?
> 
> Elizabeth
> researching the descendants of William and Sarah
> (Patterson) Thompson
> 
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "Allison Nelson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates
> 
> 
> >I agree this would be a useful feature, and to keep
> everyone happy,
> > should be an option we could turn off or leave on.
> > Allison
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Elsie Saar
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> FTM also did such a check which I found very
> useful. Didn't slow anything
> >> down. With over 17000 people, this feature would
> be very beneficial to 
> >> me.
> >> Just my 2 cents.
> >> Elsie
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Bruce McArthur
> >> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:40 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Just my twopennyworth.  TMG (The Master
> Genealogist) does indicate when a
> >> posible duplicate has been entered and allows
> it/them to be viewed at the
> >> time of entry.  The matching criteria can be
> specified to a considerable
> >> degree.  I find it useful and it even indicated a
> crossover between two 
> >> of
> >> my lines that I would have missed at least
> initially.  It doesn't slow 
> >> the
> >> program in any way.
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Bruce McArthur
> >>
> >> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-08 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Elizabeth:

In my old version of FTM, you fill in a name field and perhaps a date of
birth, then a dialog box pops up asking "Is this the same person as John
Jones b 15 Jan 1880?"  In a database with 5,000 entries the response is
instantaneous.  Of course to get results you'd have to enter exactly the
same data for both; listing "abt 1880" for one and an exact date for the
other wouldn't trigger the duplicate warning.

Like others, I also found it to be a very handy feature--but not handy
enough to switch back to FTM.

Kirsten

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Elizabeth Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:48 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates


How did this work?

In Legacy, you click Add New [wife, husband, father, mother, son, daughter]
OR you click Add Existing. Existing brings up the name list. Add New brings
up an individual screen. It seems you would have to type in information for
it to look at your database. Seems simple enough to just click Add Existing,
then look at your name list. If the person isn't already there, click
Cancel, click Add New. What's the deal?

Elizabeth
researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson

- Original Message -
From: "Allison Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates


>I agree this would be a useful feature, and to keep everyone happy,
> should be an option we could turn off or leave on.
> Allison
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Elsie Saar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> FTM also did such a check which I found very useful. Didn't slow anything
>> down. With over 17000 people, this feature would be very beneficial to
>> me.
>> Just my 2 cents.
>> Elsie
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Bruce McArthur
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates
>> Hi
>>
>> Just my twopennyworth.  TMG (The Master Genealogist) does indicate when a
>> posible duplicate has been entered and allows it/them to be viewed at the
>> time of entry.  The matching criteria can be specified to a considerable
>> degree.  I find it useful and it even indicated a crossover between two
>> of
>> my lines that I would have missed at least initially.  It doesn't slow
>> the
>> program in any way.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Bruce McArthur
>>
>>






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Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-08 Thread Elizabeth Richardson

How did this work?

In Legacy, you click Add New [wife, husband, father, mother, son, daughter] 
OR you click Add Existing. Existing brings up the name list. Add New brings 
up an individual screen. It seems you would have to type in information for 
it to look at your database. Seems simple enough to just click Add Existing, 
then look at your name list. If the person isn't already there, click 
Cancel, click Add New. What's the deal?


Elizabeth
researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson

- Original Message - 
From: "Allison Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates



I agree this would be a useful feature, and to keep everyone happy,
should be an option we could turn off or leave on.
Allison

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Elsie Saar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

FTM also did such a check which I found very useful. Didn't slow anything
down. With over 17000 people, this feature would be very beneficial to 
me.

Just my 2 cents.
Elsie

- Original Message -
From: Bruce McArthur
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates
Hi

Just my twopennyworth.  TMG (The Master Genealogist) does indicate when a
posible duplicate has been entered and allows it/them to be viewed at the
time of entry.  The matching criteria can be specified to a considerable
degree.  I find it useful and it even indicated a crossover between two 
of
my lines that I would have missed at least initially.  It doesn't slow 
the

program in any way.

regards

Bruce McArthur







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Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-08 Thread Allison Nelson
I agree this would be a useful feature, and to keep everyone happy,
should be an option we could turn off or leave on.
Allison

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Elsie Saar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FTM also did such a check which I found very useful. Didn't slow anything
> down. With over 17000 people, this feature would be very beneficial to me.
> Just my 2 cents.
> Elsie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Bruce McArthur
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates
> Hi
>
> Just my twopennyworth.  TMG (The Master Genealogist) does indicate when a
> posible duplicate has been entered and allows it/them to be viewed at the
> time of entry.  The matching criteria can be specified to a considerable
> degree.  I find it useful and it even indicated a crossover between two of
> my lines that I would have missed at least initially.  It doesn't slow the
> program in any way.
>
> regards
>
> Bruce McArthur
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Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-08 Thread Elsie Saar
FTM also did such a check which I found very useful. Didn't slow anything down. 
With over 17000 people, this feature would be very beneficial to me. Just my 2 
cents.
Elsie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bruce McArthur 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates


  Hi

  Just my twopennyworth.  TMG (The Master Genealogist) does indicate when a 
posible duplicate has been entered and allows it/them to be viewed at the time 
of entry.  The matching criteria can be specified to a considerable degree.  I 
find it useful and it even indicated a crossover between two of my lines that I 
would have missed at least initially.  It doesn't slow the program in any way.

  regards

  Bruce McArthur
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Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-07 Thread Bruce McArthur
Hi

Just my twopennyworth.  TMG (The Master Genealogist) does indicate when a 
posible duplicate has been entered and allows it/them to be viewed at the time 
of entry.  The matching criteria can be specified to a considerable degree.  I 
find it useful and it even indicated a crossover between two of my lines that I 
would have missed at least initially.  It doesn't slow the program in any way.

regards

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Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-06 Thread Tim Rosenlof
I would not let Legacy to do anything of such. My thought is to find the 
source of Ann Smith and Joe. I would not let Legacy or myself assume. Find 
the source the information, not just guess or have Legacy bring up a dialog 
asking if this could possibly be..

My thought has always find/have the source of the information.

Tim


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To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates


I never never do enter a female under her married name! What I am talking 
about is if I add a child to a set of parents and her name is Ann Smith.  I 
have her married to a man named Joe but I don't know what his last name is.


Somewhere else in my database I have a Joe Jenkins married to a woman 
named Ann but I don't know her last name.  I don't readily see that if I 
am just checking the name list.


What I am doing now is every couple of weeks I run a "find duplicates." 
It would be nice if when I added Ann Legacy would pipe up and say, HEY! 
This new Ann just might be the Ann you have over here married to Joe 
Jenkins!


michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-05 Thread Barrie Smart
Seems to me you need Legacy to be a seer, or interpreter - exactly what
databases can't be by the nature of their assembly. Making disparate
assumptions runs against the inherent nature of computerisation, and my
thought would that the computer, in attempting to make such comparisons and
conclusions, might make for more work, not less, for the owner. Just my 2c
worth.

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Michele Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I never never do enter a female under her married name! What I am talking
> about is if I add a child to a set of parents and her name is Ann Smith.  I
> have her married to a man named Joe but I don't know what his last name is.
>
> Somewhere else in my database I have a Joe Jenkins married to a woman named
> Ann but I don't know her last name.  I don't readily see that if I am just
> checking the name list.
>
> What I am doing now is every couple of weeks I run a "find duplicates."  It
> would be nice if when I added Ann Legacy would pipe up and say, HEY!  This
> new Ann just might be the Ann you have over here married to Joe Jenkins!
>
>
> michele
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-05 Thread Michele Lewis
I never never do enter a female under her married name! What I am talking 
about is if I add a child to a set of parents and her name is Ann Smith.  I 
have her married to a man named Joe but I don't know what his last name is.


Somewhere else in my database I have a Joe Jenkins married to a woman named 
Ann but I don't know her last name.  I don't readily see that if I am just 
checking the name list.


What I am doing now is every couple of weeks I run a "find duplicates."  It 
would be nice if when I added Ann Legacy would pipe up and say, HEY!  This 
new Ann just might be the Ann you have over here married to Joe Jenkins!


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RE: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-05 Thread M. Brenzel
Michele,

"I suppose  I could check the name list every time I add someone but I might
not catch females that I have in my database under their maiden or married
name and I am adding the other."

I would recommend that you NEVER NEVER NEVER enter a female under her
married name.  Females should only be entered by their maiden names.
Entering an AKA for her with her married name is okay however.

Mary
 

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I would like it if Legacy would warn you when you add a new person if there 
are any possible duplicates in your file.  I suppose  I could check the name

list every time I add someone but I might not catch females that I have in 
my database under their maiden or married name and I am adding the other.

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RE: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-05 Thread ronald ferguson

Dennis,

We are in agreement that only a SELECT clause would be required, but I was 
thinking more in terms of my experience that multi-duplicated (if that's 
English!) names are common within families. To sort these out would take the 
user time, especially in one-name sites.

As you say, it does depend on what is in the WHERE clause and the above could 
be resolved by including the date, but if all/most of the factors needed were 
added to the clause then I would suggest it would take too long to test. 
Otherwise from the user's point of view I see little difference to having a 
quick check in the index - which is what I do at present.

(I can also foresee a number of complaints to this list when it fails to pick 
up a duplicate!)

Your point about it being optional is well taken.


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> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates
> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:53:23 -0400
>
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:00:48 +0100, ronald ferguson 
> wrote:
>
>>I certainly hope not. Have you thought about how long it would take for 
>>Legacy to check the whole of the database for every entry, and then the 
>>additional work for the user in having to approve or otherwise, again, for 
>>every entry.
>>
>>For larger databases life would become next to impossible.
>
> Hi Ron:
>
> I think Michele is only talking about checking when a new individual is
> added. In this case, it would only require a SELECT statement to find
> the possible duplicates, which should not be a resource hog. The big
> question would be what to include in the WHERE clause. Maybe the
> criteria used in Legacy's existing "Find Duplicates..." functionality
> would be a good starting point. If you try to get fancy by checking
> AKAs, married names, etc. then I could see performance issues starting
> to be a problem.
>
> Of course, I would recommend making this functionality totally optional
> so as not to annoy those who don't want to use the feature. ;-)
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-05 Thread Connie Sheets
I am a long time Legacy user who also wishes this were available:  it is my 
single biggest "wish list" item.  I have used another program where there was a 
built in check when a new person was added, and it and didn't seem to be a 
resource hog.  Even if all it did was bring up a list of people with the same 
name from which to choose (and reject if need be), it would be an improvement.

I've found a work around that I try to remember to use when I'm entering 
someone who I think "might" already be in the database, but it has always 
bugged me that there isn't an automatic feature.

My people stayed in the same small geographic area in Missouri for 150 years, 
so the odds that I already have a person in my database when I'm entering the 
spouse of a distant cousin is high.

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Re: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-05 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:00:48 +0100, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>I certainly hope not. Have you thought about how long it would take for Legacy 
>to check the whole of the database for every entry, and then the additional 
>work for the user in having to approve or otherwise, again, for every entry.
>
>For larger databases life would become next to impossible.

Hi Ron:

I think Michele is only talking about checking when a new individual is
added. In this case, it would only require a SELECT statement to find
the possible duplicates, which should not be a resource hog. The big
question would be what to include in the WHERE clause. Maybe the
criteria used in Legacy's existing "Find Duplicates..." functionality
would be a good starting point. If you try to get fancy by checking
AKAs, married names, etc. then I could see performance issues starting
to be a problem.

Of course, I would recommend making this functionality totally optional
so as not to annoy those who don't want to use the feature. ;-)
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] duplicates

2008-10-05 Thread ronald ferguson

Michele,

I certainly hope not. Have you thought about how long it would take for Legacy 
to check the whole of the database for every entry, and then the additional 
work for the user in having to approve or otherwise, again, for every entry.

For larger databases life would become next to impossible.


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: [LegacyUG] duplicates
> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:36:12 -0400
>
> I would like it if Legacy would warn you when you add a new person if there
> are any possible duplicates in your file. I suppose I could check the name
> list every time I add someone but I might not catch females that I have in
> my database under their maiden or married name and I am adding the other.
>
> michele
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RE: [LegacyUG] Duplicates

2007-01-22 Thread bearglen
Thanks Ron you have answered my question just thought that when you would
enter a duplicate name with duplicate info this software would give you a
warning.

Glenna

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Glenna,

I am not sure that I am understanding you correctly, if not please clarify.

When you type in a name Legacy does not really look for duplicates but does
try to autocomplete surnames and locations from previously entered data.

When you merge another file eg a Gedcom it will offer you the option to
search for duplicates.

Ron Ferguson


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.Com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Duplicates
> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:46:40 -0700
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I am very new to all this stuff, my question is> when keying in a name
does
> Legacy look for a duplicate name immediately or do you have to go through
> the duplicate process? I'm sure I must have missed something.
> Glenna
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Re: [LegacyUG] Duplicates

2007-01-21 Thread Cathy

Hi Glenna,

Legacy only checks duplicates for Master Lists - Surnames, Locations.
It will autofill these fields guessing as you begin to type which 
entry you require this time.


Legacy does not check to see that you already have say a Richard 
SMITH entered who may be a duplicate of the Richard SMITH you are 
about to enter.


To check if you have duplicates like this, you can use the Merge > 
Find Duplicates tool - or scan down the Index View.


Cheers,
Cathy

At 05:46 AM 22/01/2007, you wrote:


Hi Everyone,
I am very new to all this stuff, my question is> when keying in a name does
Legacy look for a duplicate name immediately or do you have to go through
the duplicate process? I'm sure I must have missed something.
Glenna




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RE: [LegacyUG] Duplicates

2007-01-21 Thread ronald ferguson

Glenna,

I am not sure that I am understanding you correctly, if not please clarify.

When you type in a name Legacy does not really look for duplicates but does try 
to autocomplete surnames and locations from previously entered data.

When you merge another file eg a Gedcom it will offer you the option to search 
for duplicates.

Ron Ferguson


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.Com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Duplicates
> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:46:40 -0700
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I am very new to all this stuff, my question is> when keying in a name does
> Legacy look for a duplicate name immediately or do you have to go through
> the duplicate process? I'm sure I must have missed something.
> Glenna
> 

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