Re: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
Forgot to mention in my last post about the Adoption: The natural father's identity is not known, was never disclosed. So, I cannot enter his name in for the child's father and say "she had a relationship with.." Thanks--Jan 9, 2009 08:37:01 PM, LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:I can address a part of your post, but as you note, ibid and the source writer conversion tool problems have already been addressed.First, most of us sign our names, and I don't know what to call you. It's very difficult to pronounce jaemtp in my mind. Second, please note that posting to the list is to be in plain text, and I have changed this reply to reflect that. The font in your post was very small and I had trouble reading it, though, as you can tell, I did manage.You wrote: " I wrote about Sibling Relationships - I have three children in a family file who were born to the same mother but two of them had a different father. Legacy is incorrectly labeling them in the Relationships reports as "step brothers" when they are actually half brothers. I reported this two weeks ago and it is still not corrected. I want to print a genealogy report for a friend of mine whose Family History I researched - and I cannot give him something that looks unprofessional as to misclassify his relationship to his half brother and say 'Oh...it was the software! ' "I have many half siblings in my database and they appear in the relationship report correctly. Do you have them linked to the proper parents? By this, I mean do you have the mother married to both the fathers, and the children correctly listed with their biological father. When I do this, and set relationships on one of the children, all the relationships report correctly.You wrote: "Sources/Citations as footnotes at the end of the page: I figured this will be easier - everything is right on one page to read. Well, one of the facts in my Descendant book report referred to citation no. 18. But, there was no 18 in the footnotes, it only went as high as 17. "Do you have the box "If an event has multiple citations, combine them all into one paragraph" ticked? If so, the second citation number will not be represented in the footnotes, rather that cite will be combined with the other footnote. This feature was confusing to many of us until we got used to it, and apparently it is the currently accepted method of citing sources.You wrote: "As a side note, It seems like none of these programs are blended-family friendly - if you want to put the children with the step parent who raised them for 20 years. Adoptions are also another issue when you want to include the natural parents (when they are known) but want to put the child under the adopted parents who raised them."A child can have more than one set of parents. Simply link the adopted child to both sets of parents, then if you wish you can set the adopted parents to the preferred parents, which will then show on reports and on screen.Hope this helps,Elizabethresearching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson- Original Message - From: jae...@verizon.netTo: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.comSent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:08 PMSubject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubtHello, thank you for asking:I have had a series of issues - below are just a few.My first post had to do with the 'Ibid' feature. The online Help Index presented this as if it was available. The Customize menu had a check box to enable it. The Legacy Web page had a Comparsion Chart to other genealogy software in which it indicated that it (and Roots Magic) offered the Ibid feature when two others did not - using it as a selling point! So, I wonder why this is not working. I spent a lot of extra time going over things trying to figure out what I am not doing right. I get on this forum and one person (Ron) tells me that it is no longer available.Similar situation for the Source Template Conversion Tool. They got instructions how to use this thing. I could not find it and,again, I am taking extra time trying to learn this and figure out how to access and use it. I really could have used that because I imported a genealogy file and half of my citations went into Basic template. I wanted them all under the Source Writer. But, I then find out that the Source Template Conversion Tool is still a product of someone's imagination yet - even though the directions are telling me how to use it. I had to work on rewriting the Sources/Citations individually in the Source Writer and deleting the older ones. Then I learn from this forum again that it was either discontinued or never started.I wrote about Sibling Relationships - I have three children in a family file who were born to the same mother but two of them had a different father. Legacy is incorrectly labeling them in the Relationships reports as "step brothers" when they are actually half brothers. I reported this two weeks ago and it is still not corrected. I
Re: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
>>>From: Elizabeth Richardson >>>Sent: Jan 9, 2009 08:37:01 PM Hello, Thanks for responding. Call me Ed. I try to be anonymous online for privacy/security sake – I have others to consider as well as myself. I used my webmail (not an email client) to respond to these most recent posts and had it set on plain text. I hope it is OK now. Re: Sibling Relationships: The children are entered under the appropriaate father. Not a problem there. On reports, they appear under the correct father. The only issue seems to be misclassifying them as “step” Re: Sources/Ctiations as footnotes at the end of the page: “If an event has multiple citations….” I do not use the feature to combine citations. That check box has been blank. Nonetheless, even if it was enabled, the problem is still the same: There was a specific reference number to a citation, but that number and its citation were missing from the list. Re: Blenced families: I thought about your suggestion but was hesitant. I tried that shortly after I started using Legacy – somehow I ended up creating additional individuals / duplicate names in the list. Re: Adoptions. The child was born to a single / never married woman. The child was then adopted by the biological mother’s sister and her husband. So, the maternal grandparents are the same. Shortly afterwards, the biological mother got married for the first time. However, she did not marry the biological father. I did not know how to enter her husband’s name and keep the child separate from this marriage. I am not sure what action I took, but in one of my attempts, Legacy created two marriages. The report showed: “she first married someone. the child from this marriage was " - which is not correct. I also tried entering her husband as her first and then unlinking the child from him. However, it seems that Legacy will allow one parent to be linked to an existing child, but you cannot unlink a child from just one parent. It didn't work. So I just deleted all three individuals from the file (child bio mother and her husband) and left everything blank until I know how to proceed. --- Jan 9, 2009 08:37:01 PM, LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:I can address a part of your post, but as you note, ibid and the source writer conversion tool problems have already been addressed.First, most of us sign our names, and I don't know what to call you. It's very difficult to pronounce jaemtp in my mind. Second, please note that posting to the list is to be in plain text, and I have changed this reply to reflect that. The font in your post was very small and I had trouble reading it, though, as you can tell, I did manage.You wrote: " I wrote about Sibling Relationships - I have three children in a family file who were born to the same mother but two of them had a different father. Legacy is incorrectly labeling them in the Relationships reports as "step brothers" when they are actually half brothers. I reported this two weeks ago and it is still not corrected. I want to print a genealogy report for a friend of mine whose Family History I researched - and I cannot give him something that looks unprofessional as to misclassify his relationship to his half brother and say 'Oh...it was the software! ' "I have many half siblings in my database and they appear in the relationship report correctly. Do you have them linked to the proper parents? By this, I mean do you have the mother married to both the fathers, and the children correctly listed with their biological father. When I do this, and set relationships on one of the children, all the relationships report correctly.You wrote: "Sources/Citations as footnotes at the end of the page: I figured this will be easier - everything is right on one page to read. Well, one of the facts in my Descendant book report referred to citation no. 18. But, there was no 18 in the footnotes, it only went as high as 17. "Do you have the box "If an event has multiple citations, combine them all into one paragraph" ticked? If so, the second citation number will not be represented in the footnotes, rather that cite will be combined with the other footnote. This feature was confusing to many of us until we got used to it, and apparently it is the currently accepted method of citing sources.You wrote: "As a side note, It seems like none of these programs are blended-family friendly - if you want to put the children with the step parent who raised them for 20 years. Adoptions are also another issue when you want to include the natural parents (when they are known) but want to put the child under the adopted parents who raised them."A child can have more than one set of parents. Simply link the adopted child to both sets of parents, then if you wish you can set the adopted parents to the preferred parents, which will then show on reports and on screen.Hope this helps,Elizabethresearching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompso
RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
I do recall that in the past (not sure if it was an earlier update to version 7 or if it was in version 6), if the preceding source was the same but the detail was different, it was still listed as Ibid. I believe that in the publishing world, this situation is shown as "Ibid, page 4" if the immediately preceding footnote was the same source but page 3. That's how it was noted in Legacy. I know this for a fact as I've been generating Individual Reports (as PDF so to save trees!) using this feature for many months now as a means to clean up my database and get everything sourced. Mary -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of GeoSci Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:30 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt Ibid works for me - but keep in mind - it will ONLY work if the source directly above it in a list is EXACTLY the same (including detail). That detail seems to be the thing that often does not allow it to work when you think it should. Keith On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: > I can address a part of your post, but as you note, ibid and the source > writer conversion tool problems have already been addressed. > > First, most of us sign our names, and I don't know what to call you. It's > very difficult to pronounce jaemtp in my mind. Second, please note that > posting to the list is to be in plain text, and I have changed this reply to > reflect that. The font in your post was very small and I had trouble reading > it, though, as you can tell, I did manage. > > You wrote: " I wrote about Sibling Relationships - I have three children in > a family file who were born to the same mother but two of them had a > different father. Legacy is incorrectly labeling them in the Relationships > reports as "step brothers" when they are actually half brothers. I reported > this two weeks ago and it is still not corrected. I want to print a > genealogy report for a friend of mine whose Family History I researched - > and I cannot give him something that looks unprofessional as to misclassify > his relationship to his half brother and say 'Oh...it was the software! ' " > > I have many half siblings in my database and they appear in the relationship > report correctly. Do you have them linked to the proper parents? By this, I > mean do you have the mother married to both the fathers, and the children > correctly listed with their biological father. When I do this, and set > relationships on one of the children, all the relationships report > correctly. > > You wrote: "Sources/Citations as footnotes at the end of the page: I figured > this will be easier - everything is right on one page to read. Well, one of > the facts in my Descendant book report referred to citation no. 18. But, > there was no 18 in the footnotes, it only went as high as 17. " > > Do you have the box "If an event has multiple citations, combine them all > into one paragraph" ticked? If so, the second citation number will not be > represented in the footnotes, rather that cite will be combined with the > other footnote. This feature was confusing to many of us until we got used > to it, and apparently it is the currently accepted method of citing sources. > > You wrote: "As a side note, It seems like none of these programs are > blended-family friendly - if you want to put the children with the step > parent who raised them for 20 years. Adoptions are also another issue when > you want to include the natural parents (when they are known) but want to > put the child under the adopted parents who raised them." > > A child can have more than one set of parents. Simply link the adopted child > to both sets of parents, then if you wish you can set the adopted parents to > the preferred parents, which will then show on reports and on screen. > > Hope this helps, > > Elizabeth > researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson > > > - Original Message - From: jae...@verizon.net > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt > > > Hello, thank you for asking: > > I have had a series of issues - below are just a few. > My first post had to do with the 'Ibid' feature. The online Help Index > presented this as if it was available. The Customize menu had a check box to > enable it. The Legacy Web page had a Comparsion Chart to other genealogy > software in which it indicated that it (and Roots Magic) offered the Ibid > feature when two others did not - using it as a selling point! So, I wonder > why this is n
RE: RE: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
jaemtp: Nope, it's still coming through as HTML. The trouble is that some of our list members are on dial-up with no high speed connection option. Worse still, some have traffic limitations and they get understandably aggravated when an HTML message eats up an inordinate chunk of their monthly allotment. So it's actually a case of justified complaining rather than arbitrary etiquette rules or sniping. It's a shame that HTML can't be automatically stripped as it is with RootsWeb lists, but it's something we have to live with. Personally I'd rather walk over hot coals than go back to data entry via FTM although I do occasionally gedcom my data from Legacy to an old FTM version to use a particular feature. This is an option you might keep in mind. Hopefully Elizabeth's message resolved the trouble you're having. Like her, I have no problems with half-sibling relationships and adoptions. I also have no problem with the "missing" ibid feature. I most often use the Descendant Book Report for one or two generations with sources as endnotes at the end of the book, so each citation prints only once but is often keyed to many different family members. In this format there's no call for ibid. There are so many different report formats available that it's usually helpful if when you're having a problem you state exactly which report you're selecting and give a brief rundown of the options checked. And in spite of the rough start I'll say, Welcome to Legacy; welcome to the list. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of jae...@verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 5:17 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: RE: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt Thanks Kirsten I used vers 10 of FTM from 2003 until this summer. I was going to go with their current version but read too many bad things about it. I experimented with this and roots magic 3, and decided to go with Legacy. It was a close toss up! I had my mail client set for plain text, I hope everything is coming through Ok on that end. Yeah, I picked up on a few who want to fall back on the abuse of Etiqutte thing usually the same ones who snipe at each other like I read earlier... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
Ibid works for me - but keep in mind - it will ONLY work if the source directly above it in a list is EXACTLY the same (including detail). That detail seems to be the thing that often does not allow it to work when you think it should. Keith On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: > I can address a part of your post, but as you note, ibid and the source > writer conversion tool problems have already been addressed. > > First, most of us sign our names, and I don't know what to call you. It's > very difficult to pronounce jaemtp in my mind. Second, please note that > posting to the list is to be in plain text, and I have changed this reply to > reflect that. The font in your post was very small and I had trouble reading > it, though, as you can tell, I did manage. > > You wrote: " I wrote about Sibling Relationships - I have three children in > a family file who were born to the same mother but two of them had a > different father. Legacy is incorrectly labeling them in the Relationships > reports as "step brothers" when they are actually half brothers. I reported > this two weeks ago and it is still not corrected. I want to print a > genealogy report for a friend of mine whose Family History I researched - > and I cannot give him something that looks unprofessional as to misclassify > his relationship to his half brother and say 'Oh...it was the software! ' " > > I have many half siblings in my database and they appear in the relationship > report correctly. Do you have them linked to the proper parents? By this, I > mean do you have the mother married to both the fathers, and the children > correctly listed with their biological father. When I do this, and set > relationships on one of the children, all the relationships report > correctly. > > You wrote: "Sources/Citations as footnotes at the end of the page: I figured > this will be easier - everything is right on one page to read. Well, one of > the facts in my Descendant book report referred to citation no. 18. But, > there was no 18 in the footnotes, it only went as high as 17. " > > Do you have the box "If an event has multiple citations, combine them all > into one paragraph" ticked? If so, the second citation number will not be > represented in the footnotes, rather that cite will be combined with the > other footnote. This feature was confusing to many of us until we got used > to it, and apparently it is the currently accepted method of citing sources. > > You wrote: "As a side note, It seems like none of these programs are > blended-family friendly - if you want to put the children with the step > parent who raised them for 20 years. Adoptions are also another issue when > you want to include the natural parents (when they are known) but want to > put the child under the adopted parents who raised them." > > A child can have more than one set of parents. Simply link the adopted child > to both sets of parents, then if you wish you can set the adopted parents to > the preferred parents, which will then show on reports and on screen. > > Hope this helps, > > Elizabeth > researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson > > > - Original Message - From: jae...@verizon.net > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt > > > Hello, thank you for asking: > > I have had a series of issues - below are just a few. > My first post had to do with the 'Ibid' feature. The online Help Index > presented this as if it was available. The Customize menu had a check box to > enable it. The Legacy Web page had a Comparsion Chart to other genealogy > software in which it indicated that it (and Roots Magic) offered the Ibid > feature when two others did not - using it as a selling point! So, I wonder > why this is not working. I spent a lot of extra time going over things > trying to figure out what I am not doing right. I get on this forum and one > person (Ron) tells me that it is no longer available. > Similar situation for the Source Template Conversion Tool. They got > instructions how to use this thing. I could not find it and,again, I am > taking extra time trying to learn this and figure out how to access and use > it. I really could have used that because I imported a genealogy file and > half of my citations went into Basic template. I wanted them all under the > Source Writer. But, I then find out that the Source Template Conversion > Tool is still a product of someone's imagination yet - even though the > directions are telling me how to use it. I had to work on rewriting the > Sources/Citations individual
Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
I can address a part of your post, but as you note, ibid and the source writer conversion tool problems have already been addressed. First, most of us sign our names, and I don't know what to call you. It's very difficult to pronounce jaemtp in my mind. Second, please note that posting to the list is to be in plain text, and I have changed this reply to reflect that. The font in your post was very small and I had trouble reading it, though, as you can tell, I did manage. You wrote: " I wrote about Sibling Relationships - I have three children in a family file who were born to the same mother but two of them had a different father. Legacy is incorrectly labeling them in the Relationships reports as "step brothers" when they are actually half brothers. I reported this two weeks ago and it is still not corrected. I want to print a genealogy report for a friend of mine whose Family History I researched - and I cannot give him something that looks unprofessional as to misclassify his relationship to his half brother and say 'Oh...it was the software! ' " I have many half siblings in my database and they appear in the relationship report correctly. Do you have them linked to the proper parents? By this, I mean do you have the mother married to both the fathers, and the children correctly listed with their biological father. When I do this, and set relationships on one of the children, all the relationships report correctly. You wrote: "Sources/Citations as footnotes at the end of the page: I figured this will be easier - everything is right on one page to read. Well, one of the facts in my Descendant book report referred to citation no. 18. But, there was no 18 in the footnotes, it only went as high as 17. " Do you have the box "If an event has multiple citations, combine them all into one paragraph" ticked? If so, the second citation number will not be represented in the footnotes, rather that cite will be combined with the other footnote. This feature was confusing to many of us until we got used to it, and apparently it is the currently accepted method of citing sources. You wrote: "As a side note, It seems like none of these programs are blended-family friendly - if you want to put the children with the step parent who raised them for 20 years. Adoptions are also another issue when you want to include the natural parents (when they are known) but want to put the child under the adopted parents who raised them." A child can have more than one set of parents. Simply link the adopted child to both sets of parents, then if you wish you can set the adopted parents to the preferred parents, which will then show on reports and on screen. Hope this helps, Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: jae...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt Hello, thank you for asking: I have had a series of issues - below are just a few. My first post had to do with the 'Ibid' feature. The online Help Index presented this as if it was available. The Customize menu had a check box to enable it. The Legacy Web page had a Comparsion Chart to other genealogy software in which it indicated that it (and Roots Magic) offered the Ibid feature when two others did not - using it as a selling point! So, I wonder why this is not working. I spent a lot of extra time going over things trying to figure out what I am not doing right. I get on this forum and one person (Ron) tells me that it is no longer available. Similar situation for the Source Template Conversion Tool. They got instructions how to use this thing. I could not find it and,again, I am taking extra time trying to learn this and figure out how to access and use it. I really could have used that because I imported a genealogy file and half of my citations went into Basic template. I wanted them all under the Source Writer. But, I then find out that the Source Template Conversion Tool is still a product of someone's imagination yet - even though the directions are telling me how to use it. I had to work on rewriting the Sources/Citations individually in the Source Writer and deleting the older ones. Then I learn from this forum again that it was either discontinued or never started. I wrote about Sibling Relationships - I have three children in a family file who were born to the same mother but two of them had a different father. Legacy is incorrectly labeling them in the Relationships reports as "step brothers" when they are actually half brothers. I reported this two weeks ago and it is still not corrected. I want to print a genealogy report for a friend of mine whose Family History I researched - and I cannot give him something that looks
Re: RE: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
Thanks Kirsten I used vers 10 of FTM from 2003 until this summer. I was going to go with their current version but read too many bad things about it. I experimented with this and roots magic 3, and decided to go with Legacy. It was a close toss up! I had my mail client set for plain text, I hope everything is coming through Ok on that end. Yeah, I picked up on a few who want to fall back on the abuse of Etiqutte thing usually the same ones who snipe at each other like I read earlier... Jan 9, 2009 02:39:57 PM, LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: jaemtp:The training CD's get very favorable reviews but I don't think they're at all necessary in order to use the software. Having transferred from FTM a few years ago, I was able to jump in to Legacy with no manual and only the free online video. Beyond that, many helpful tips can be picked up just from this mailing list.It's unfortunate that you seem to have tangled straight off with a troublesome feature (the source converter) that was included in the manual but pulled from v.7 before it was released. Yes, there have been bugs with the v.7 release, and I complained probably louder than most, but many have been corrected now and Legacy is really an outstanding program. I'd rather deal with the remaining small issues than go off to another program.If you're still having problems with the software, do post those and 9 times out of 10 you'll get an answer. On this list, though, it's critical to use plain text and trim your posts; otherwise list members tend to focus on the abuse of "etiquette" rather than on the question. Give it another try.Kirsten -Original Message-From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]On Behalf Of jaemtpSent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:18 AMTo: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.comSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubtNo patience? Please know your facts before you criticize someone. I have been at this longer than 48 hours. Try August! Several hours a day for about three or four days per week. I upgraded to Deluxe less than four weeks ago and been spending more time on it. I have the manual and online Help Index. But I guess they are incomplete too - Now I need training videos (at the handy low price). What are they going to tell me that I cannot find in the Help Index or the Manual? So far, I've been reading both of them - including trying to learn how to use features that are not even in the software. Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
Hello, thank you for asking: I have had a series of issues - below are just a few. My first post had to do with the 'Ibid' feature. The online Help Index presented this as if it was available. The Customize menu had a check box to enable it. The Legacy Web page had a Comparsion Chart to other genealogy software in which it indicated that it (and Roots Magic) offered the Ibid feature when two others did not - using it as a selling point! So, I wonder why this is not working. I spent a lot of extra time going over things trying to figure out what I am not doing right. I get on this forum and one person (Ron) tells me that it is no longer available. Similar situation for the Source Template Conversion Tool. They got instructions how to use this thing. I could not find it and,again, I am taking extra time trying to learn this and figure out how to access and use it. I really could have used that because I imported a genealogy file and half of my citations went into Basic template. I wanted them all under the Source Writer. But, I then find out that the Source Template Conversion Tool is still a product of someone's imagination yet - even though the directions are telling me how to use it. I had to work on rewriting the Sources/Citations individually in the Source Writer and deleting the older ones. Then I learn from this forum again that it was either discontinued or never started. I wrote about Sibling Relationships - I have three children in a family file who were born to the same mother but two of them had a different father. Legacy is incorrectly labeling them in the Relationships reports as "step brothers" when they are actually half brothers. I reported this two weeks ago and it is still not corrected. I want to print a genealogy report for a friend of mine whose Family History I researched - and I cannot give him something that looks unprofessional as to misclassify his relationship to his half brother and say 'Oh...it was the software! ' Sources/Citations as footnotes at the end of the page: I figured this will be easier - everything is right on one page to read. Well, one of the facts in my Descendant book report referred to citation no. 18. But, there was no 18 in the footnotes, it only went as high as 17. As a side note, It seems like none of these programs are blended-family friendly - if you want to put the children with the step parent who raised them for 20 years. Adoptions are also another issue when you want to include the natural parents (when they are known) but want to put the child under the adopted parents who raised them. I was using FTM vers 10, which was from 2003 when I started genealogy research. I just sat down and started typing - never had an issue with it. Several mos. ago, I figure maybe I want to move up to something more "modern" - forgetting what I already learned about technology - the more sophisticated it gets, the more problems! Thank you for your help. ! Jan 9, 2009 02:06:56 PM, LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: (changed format to plain text)What is it you're trying to do that you're having so much difficulty? Mostly friendly and helpful volunteers on this list are happy to make things easier for you, but will bristle a bit at constant criticism.Elizabethresearching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson- Original Message - From: jaemtpTo: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.comSent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:18 AMSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubtNo patience? Please know your facts before you criticize someone. I have been at this longer than 48 hours. Try August! Several hours a day for about three or four days per week. I upgraded to Deluxe less than four weeks ago and been spending more time on it. I have the manual and online Help Index. But I guess they are incomplete too - Now I need training videos (at the handy low price). What are they going to tell me that I cannot find in the Help Index or the Manual? So far, I've been reading both of them - including trying to learn how to use features that are not even in the software.Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp