Re: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
Hi Tom, This may be the problem. If you are trying to open the file on the CD, you can't as you can't write to the CD from Legacy. You have to copy the file back to your hard drive. If you have put it back on your hard drive, you may need to change the file attribute from Read Only by right clicking on the File, choose Properties and untick the box. Cathy At 08:08 AM 25/07/2006, you wrote: With the talk again about making back ups I decided to try a CD back up. As the entire file was too large for one CD I backed up 'data' and other selected files. I used the system described below. When I tested it I get a message: The Microsoft Jet database engine cannot open the file 'D:\Making CD\Data\Family History060607.fdb'. It is already opened exclusively by another user, or you need permission to view its data. Would you like to TRY IT AGAIN? Now I'm outta my league! Any help, please? Tom Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
Sherry Correction. You do not have to rename a file to burn it again on a CD-R. As long as it has a later version date it will replace the existing file, and the older file will be invisible for all practical purposes. Peter - Peter Haughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Support Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:28 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file You can add more than one file to a CD-R. You can't overwrite or remove the file that you burn to the CD-R. To reuse the CD-R with the same file, you'll need to rename the file slightly - a lot of users will add the date to the end of the file name. We don't recommend use of CD-RW - those disks don't seem to be as reliable as CD-R and may not be readable on a drive other than the one it was written on. DVDs also can be unreliable. A user sent me his Family File on a DVD and I was unable to read it with my DVD player. Besides, the disks are a lot more expensive. Windows XP does have CD-writing capabilities, although not as good as commercial software. After you insert a blank CD-R, you might even get a pop-up asking what you want to do! If you don't right click on the file in Windows Explorer, select Send To and select the CD writer drive. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Crowley Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:51 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file Have you tried making a CD lately? It's not my forte, but here is what I've learned about it: 1.inexpensive CDs only allow you to write to them once--much like using a piece of paper--if you edit the file at all, then it must be burned to another CD 2.don't confuse CDs with DVDs, which can also be burned; if you put a DVD into a CD burner, your file won't copy (I don't know if #1 also applies to DVDs) 3.good news: it seems that computers purchased in the last couple of years only require drag drop (remember floppies?); as long as you buy formatted CDs, they are created by (disclaimer: this is for PCs): 1. right click on start 2. select search or explore to locate your file 3. copy the file 4. select the appropriate drive for burning CDs 5. paste 6. use (seriously--make sure it's there; I made CDs for a presentation once, only to learn in front of the class that one of my teenagers had been burning CDs--not labeling them-- and storing them in the container with new CDs sigh!) Hope this helps. Dawn Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
CD-Rs do NOT have such reliability. The longest average life you could expect out of a standard CD-R nowadays would be two years, PROVIDED you kept it under truly ideal conditions, which most of us have no hope achieving. Good luck finding archival CD-Rs. I haven't seen any at all for over two years, and the dyes in all current CD-Rs are poor. The ONLY reliable long term storage is still printed paper, again assuming quality materials and storage. If you use CD-R backups, apart from doing them regularly, you need to check them immediately after burning, and in a DIFFERENT CD drive. This means you MUST have at least TWO CD drives in your computer (easy--CD burners are low cost). Nowadays make that one DVD burner (also burns CDs) and one DVD reader (also reads and maybe burns CDs). As soon as you cannot easily read CDs you have burnt, REPLACE the burner with a new one. Burners are cheap-- treat them as disposable the instant they play up. Peter - Peter Haughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 6:42 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file Regarding Backups: The latest news is that CDs have a reliable life of about 30 years. DVDs, about 10. You can buy archival disks with a longer life. The most reliable backup medium is a hard drive. They are quite inexpensive. I buy an external drive case (about the size of a novel), put in a hard drive, plug it into a USB or flash port, turn it on and drag and drop my important files (Including installation files for Legacy), unplug the drive and store it away from dust and electromagnetic risks. No need for CD burning software at all. Painless and reliable. You can buy external drives ready-made, but doing it yourself is cheaper and very easy. If you do use CD or DVD disks, remember to redo them every few years. Either can be tricky to create so that they will play on other computers. I just use settings that enhance compatibility. The DVD + format seems to be the most universally compatible. To address the problem of your program telling you to insert a disk, I can relate! Each CD recorder has some disks it will not recognize. Different brands of disks use different types of coatings. You will notice that some are blue, some silver, etc. Read the manual that came with your equipment. It should tell you what brands work with your particular hardware. Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
Wow! 10 times the price of regular DVD-R's ... At 2006/07/21 05:18, you wrote: Hi Peter, Check out this web site. http://www.delkin.com/products/archivalgold/scratcharmor.html I read about this product in an article from a photography magazine. It sounds like these disks are great. My concern is that technology changes so rapidly that in 100 years no machine will be able to read any current disk. You are therefore quite correct that hard copy is the only reliable long-term solution. Museums and libraries keep specimens of obsolete technological hardware to enable the retrieval of media from the past. (8-track tapes, Beta format video tapes, early computer/word processor disks, etc.), but I don't want to rely on that being the case in 100 or 200 years. However, I don't want to create a mass of paper documents until I am certain that my research is absolutely correct. At that point, it seems a book would be in order. Printing out a revised hard copy every few months would be wasteful. That's where storage decisions come in. There has been a good variety of excellent advice, information, and ideas in this discussion. That's what I enjoy about this list! My personal choice is to go the external hard drive route for now. I like some of the ideas for automation and plan to check them out. BTW... When CDs were brand new, a clerk in a Radio Shack store showed me how fabulous the new medium was. These things will last forever. You can use them as a drink coaster or even a Frisbee, and they will still play perfectly. You can't hurt them Ah, if only!!! Judie -Original Message- From: Peter Haughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file * Replies will be sent through Spamex to LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * For additional info click - http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=10287484 CD-Rs do NOT have such reliability. The longest average life you could expect out of a standard CD-R nowadays would be two years, PROVIDED you kept it under truly ideal conditions, which most of us have no hope achieving. Good luck finding archival CD-Rs. I haven't seen any at all for over two years, and the dyes in all current CD-Rs are poor. The ONLY reliable long term storage is still printed paper, again assuming quality materials and storage. If you use CD-R backups, apart from doing them regularly, you need to check them immediately after burning, and in a DIFFERENT CD drive. This means you MUST have at least TWO CD drives in your computer (easy--CD burners are low cost). Nowadays make that one DVD burner (also burns CDs) and one DVD reader (also reads and maybe burns CDs). As soon as you cannot easily read CDs you have burnt, REPLACE the burner with a new one. Burners are cheap-- treat them as disposable the instant they play up. Peter - Peter Haughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
Thank you for the link. They are certainly using the correct dye for longevity. Peter - Peter Haughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 7:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file Hi Peter, Check out this web site. http://www.delkin.com/products/archivalgold/scratcharmor.html I read about this product in an article from a photography magazine. It sounds like these disks are great. My concern is that technology changes so rapidly that in 100 years no machine will be able to read any current disk. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
You can add more than one file to a CD-R. You can't overwrite or remove the file that you burn to the CD-R. To reuse the CD-R with the same file, you'll need to rename the file slightly - a lot of users will add the date to the end of the file name. We don't recommend use of CD-RW - those disks don't seem to be as reliable as CD-R and may not be readable on a drive other than the one it was written on. DVDs also can be unreliable. A user sent me his Family File on a DVD and I was unable to read it with my DVD player. Besides, the disks are a lot more expensive. Windows XP does have CD-writing capabilities, although not as good as commercial software. After you insert a blank CD-R, you might even get a pop-up asking what you want to do! If you don't right click on the file in Windows Explorer, select Send To and select the CD writer drive. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Crowley Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:51 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file Have you tried making a CD lately? It's not my forte, but here is what I've learned about it: 1. inexpensive CDs only allow you to write to them once--much like using a piece of paper--if you edit the file at all, then it must be burned to another CD 2. don't confuse CDs with DVDs, which can also be burned; if you put a DVD into a CD burner, your file won't copy (I don't know if #1 also applies to DVDs) 3. good news: it seems that computers purchased in the last couple of years only require drag drop (remember floppies?); as long as you buy formatted CDs, they are created by (disclaimer: this is for PCs): 1. right click on start 2. select search or explore to locate your file 3. copy the file 4. select the appropriate drive for burning CDs 5. paste 6. use (seriously--make sure it's there; I made CDs for a presentation once, only to learn in front of the class that one of my teenagers had been burning CDs--not labeling them-- and storing them in the container with new CDs sigh!) Hope this helps. Dawn Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
Pat, Nick is right. The gedcom file will not accurately copy all of your data as you have it set up in Legacy. A simpler and much more accurate solution is to create a Legacy backup and e-mail it to yourself. Besides the backup in many cases is smaller than a gedcom file. Jim On 7/20/06, Pat Wagley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite simple really; create a GEDCOM, I save mine in my Legacy folder: In an email addressed to yourself; click attach file, find your GEDCOM attach to your email and send. In Folders on MSN I created a folder and named it GEDCOM and backups, I then save my email including the attachment in that folder. Pat I like this! recognizing that GECOM probably isn't a perfect reproduction of the data. Could you give us a step-by-step process for attaching it to an e-mail? Nick Cirillo Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
You can do anything with them that you want to g Both the backup of the Family File and of the multimedia files are zip files. Go to http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Tips.asp, where you'll find an article under Backing Up and Restoring Family Files Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholas Cirillo Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:46 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file I presume you can then pick up these files and attach to an e-mail and send to oneself for storage off site at the e-mail provider. Nick Cirillo Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand why you'd use a gedcom instead of doing a backup of the Family File? The backup includes (most) all the ancillary files that are created when you're working with Legacy in the Family File including your focus group and merge in process. You should also do a multimedia backup to protect your multimedia files that you have linked to in Legacy. Also, make sure you backup the .igi file in the Legacy\Data folder - that holds your IGI matches, the .ppl file, which is the potential problems list you've created and the .rgd file which holds your work with the Research Guidance. It's on the list of the things to do for the programmers to include these files in the backup so in the meantime, you'll need to remember to save those! Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
DAve, you have some good points there, but so far our system works fine (my DH has been in computing for 40 years so he generally thinks up pretty good systems for us). We do full backups of all drives, virtual and physical, approximately the first of the month, and oftener if we are about to install new hardware. In point of fact with Legacy, it is on a different physical and virtual drive. This system seems to take care of software problems and that is the kind of crashes I was talking about, sorry about the confusion. You are of course entirely correct that if the hardware crashes, yes of course we would have to get a new hard drive and restore all those virtual drives from the backups. Mary If you have a crash, it is generally Windows that crashes. What we do is to have a number of virtual drives set up on the computer, C, D, E, etc. C has only Windows and hardware, all our programs and data are on other drives. This way, if something does crash with Windows, we only have to restore that, and our programs and data are out of the way and just fine. I don't believe this is protecting your data in any way. A virtual drive is still on the same physical hard drive so any drive failure will likely lose your data. Furthermore needing to restore Windows on a C: drive would not affect your Legacy data files residing on that same (virtual or physical) drive unless someone was to foolishly reformat or re-partition it. I'd suggest you rethink your backup philosophy. Cheers, -- Dave N. -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. --- Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
