Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List - posting from Hotmail
Hi Liz, Wendy thanks so much, I have changed the setting and hopefully I am now plain text!!! Yes, the information in the header of your post indicated that it was in plain text - well done! Glad I could help. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List - posting from Hotmail
Hi Maralyn, I am getting all these Messages to my Hotmail address and don't know how to stop them. If you have any luck could you please tell me how. Liz wasn't trying to stop the mail reaching her Hotmail account, she was trying to send to the list in plain text. By all these messages, do you mean the posts from the Legacy User Group, that have [LegacyUG] in the subject line? That means you are subscribed to this list. If you wish to leave, please follow the instructions at the end of this and every post. Any problems, please follow the instructions given at that link for getting assistance. Hope this helps with what you wanted. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Yes - yesterday my anti-virus program discovered a worm in an HTML email message and refused download. Believe me, you do not want these worms on your computer. Kay Fordham - Original Message - From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List This is not accusing but just stating, this is how many of the worms get into peoples PCs. Unaware people recieve a worm, and next e-mail out carries itself to everywhere. Worms cannot hide in plain text, but love to hide in HTML. I have the softwear to stop them for myself, but not everyone does. That is the main reason for NO HTML, and secondary was for those people, and there are many, who cannot get access, or afford DSL style connections. There will come a time that these folks may fall throuth the cracks, but having been one until 6 months ago, I feel for them, and hope they can catch up with us ASAP. Rich Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List - posting from Hotmail
Wendy thanks so much, I have changed the setting and hopefully I am now plain text!!! Liz From: Wendy Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List - posting from Hotmail Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:22:08 +1300 Hi Liz, If somebody could help me with html and hotmail I would appreciate it. I do not download my emails into outlook but keep them as webbased. I have searched options but cannot find anywhere about html. When you're composing an email in Hotmail, there is a button marked Tools in the menu just above the To: field. Click on that, and you will see amongst the options either Rich-Text Editor ON or Rich-Text Editor OFF. So far, so good, but then it can be a little confusing about what that means, so take it slowly... If you see Rich-Text Editor ON, it means you are in plain text mode at the moment and if you click on that option you will turn the Rich-Text (or HTML) mode on. If you see Rich-Text Editor OFF, it means you are in Rich-Text/HTML mode at the moment. Click on that option to turn it off and change to plain text. Another way to tell which mode you're currently in is to see if there is a menu just above the body of the email for making changes to the appearance of the text, things like colour and font style. If that's there, you're in Rich-Text/HTML mode. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List - posting from Hotmail
Liz, I am getting all these Messages to my Hotmail address and don't know how to stop them. If you have any luck could you please tell me how. Regards, Maralyn From: Liz Graydon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List - posting from Hotmail Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:41:24 +0100 Wendy thanks so much, I have changed the setting and hopefully I am now plain text!!! Liz From: Wendy Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List - posting from Hotmail Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:22:08 +1300 Hi Liz, If somebody could help me with html and hotmail I would appreciate it. I do not download my emails into outlook but keep them as webbased. I have searched options but cannot find anywhere about html. When you're composing an email in Hotmail, there is a button marked Tools in the menu just above the To: field. Click on that, and you will see amongst the options either Rich-Text Editor ON or Rich-Text Editor OFF. So far, so good, but then it can be a little confusing about what that means, so take it slowly... If you see Rich-Text Editor ON, it means you are in plain text mode at the moment and if you click on that option you will turn the Rich-Text (or HTML) mode on. If you see Rich-Text Editor OFF, it means you are in Rich-Text/HTML mode at the moment. Click on that option to turn it off and change to plain text. Another way to tell which mode you're currently in is to see if there is a menu just above the body of the email for making changes to the appearance of the text, things like colour and font style. If that's there, you're in Rich-Text/HTML mode. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
John I was to blame for the last lot of read receipts. I apologise to the List. I do a lot of personal business online and its good to know when someone has received your email. I forgot to switch it off when emailing the List. It is now off. Regards Graeme Ellis Western Australia - Original Message - From: Shirley John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Hello to the list My problem is the request read receipts If every person on the list sends a read receipt to the poster he would end up with a useful address list for a spammer I wonder if this is the reason people request a read receipt to a posting to a list Any thoughts John Shirley John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maitland Area Lower Hunter Valley NSW Australia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul C. Abell Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:42 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/480 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Well, I must admit to enjoying html mail; I have my own private stationery which reflects my own tastes, and I don't think it is generally a problem. Text only mail is absolutely reasonable here, where we are trying purely to help each other's points. But to suggest that *all* email should be in plain text is rather like Henry Ford saying he didn't mind what color a car was so long as it was black. We've moved on from that! I keep a gmail account purely for Legacy posts, set to text only - and hope in that way never to give offence. It also has two other enormous benefits - grouping messages on each subject together which makes following a thread a doddle, and allowing me to check things away from base, as I am now. Warm regards Alastair Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
It also depends on what part of the world you live in. I have a close cyberfriend who lives in South Africa, and the one broadband ISP in that country limits them to only so much bandwidth a month. Since she is into graphics, it drives her nuts!!! Laura Grant Velez -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul C. Abell Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:49 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Not all dial-up charges by the minute. In this part of the country, a monthly dial-up fee is for unlimited time. I guess it depends on the ISP you choose. Paul Graeme The main concern for me is that nasty things, eg. Viruses, can be eembeded within an html message unknown to you the sender. As well people on dialup have to pay by the minute for downloads. This may not seem like a lot of time per message but multiply it by the volume of mail this group generates some of the time it can get quite costly. Personally, I do not appreciate the coloured text and idiotic smileys that come with some messages. Don Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
It also depends on what part of the world you live in. I have a close cyberfriend who lives in South Africa, and the one broadband ISP in that country limits them to only so much bandwidth a month. Since she is into graphics, it drives her nuts!!! Laura Grant Velez -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul C. Abell Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:49 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Not all dial-up charges by the minute. In this part of the country, a monthly dial-up fee is for unlimited time. I guess it depends on the ISP you choose. Paul Graeme The main concern for me is that nasty things, eg. Viruses, can be eembeded within an html message unknown to you the sender. As well people on dialup have to pay by the minute for downloads. This may not seem like a lot of time per message but multiply it by the volume of mail this group generates some of the time it can get quite costly. Personally, I do not appreciate the coloured text and idiotic smileys that come with some messages. Don Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
It would really be nice if there was an option for several ISPs everywhere. If we lived in Guadalajara we would have many choices but at lakeside (Lake Chapala) there are only two and Prodigy is the safest one. Using Outlook Express gives you the most choices for configuring your messages any way you want. Personally I use OE because I have a very good spam blocker on it and can set up messages rules as to where my messages go. Have we beat this HTML subject to death yet? Myrna Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I have read the ongoing discussion regarding HTML, rich text, and plain text and until now was completely unaware that I was sending a message in HTML. Once I looked into this and since I use AOL, I spent 15 minutes trying to find the difference or how to fix in the AOL program. Then I went to the Legacy etiquette section (which I had originally read) and it directed me to rootsweb.com which had a simple outline of how to address this issue and all the various programs. I never knew about right clicking in the text box in AOL and then you can choose plain text for your message. I am somewhat computer savvy but I was unaware and I am sure most folks who have sent HTMLs are in the same boat. Hopefully this arrives in plain text and now that I know how to do it (as an AOL user), I will change my ways. For many of us, it is something we did not even know about or notice and trying to look it up in AOL was useless. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
If somebody could help me with html and hotmail I would appreciate it. I do not download my emails into outlook but keep them as webbased. I have searched options but cannot find anywhere about html. How are my messages received, pleaseWindows LiveĀ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspTo find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Liz it came through to me as HTML but only 6Kb Norman in Sunny Spain If somebody could help me with html and hotmail I would appreciate it. I do not download my emails into outlook but keep them as webbased. I have searched options but cannot find anywhere about html. How are my messages received, please -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.7/488 - Release Date: 19/10/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List - posting from Hotmail
Hi Liz, If somebody could help me with html and hotmail I would appreciate it. I do not download my emails into outlook but keep them as webbased. I have searched options but cannot find anywhere about html. When you're composing an email in Hotmail, there is a button marked Tools in the menu just above the To: field. Click on that, and you will see amongst the options either Rich-Text Editor ON or Rich-Text Editor OFF. So far, so good, but then it can be a little confusing about what that means, so take it slowly... If you see Rich-Text Editor ON, it means you are in plain text mode at the moment and if you click on that option you will turn the Rich-Text (or HTML) mode on. If you see Rich-Text Editor OFF, it means you are in Rich-Text/HTML mode at the moment. Click on that option to turn it off and change to plain text. Another way to tell which mode you're currently in is to see if there is a menu just above the body of the email for making changes to the appearance of the text, things like colour and font style. If that's there, you're in Rich-Text/HTML mode. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
If you use a mobile phone which I often do when travelling, then you definitely pay by the minute, and you dislike people who use HTML and don't prune extraneous junk, and you abhor them because they don't give a fig for your concerns. Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul C. Abell Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Not all dial-up charges by the minute. In this part of the country, a monthly dial-up fee is for unlimited time. I guess it depends on the ISP you choose.Paul Graeme The main concern for me is that nasty things, eg. Viruses, can be eembeded within an html message unknown to you the sender. As well people on dialup have to pay by the minute for downloads. This may not seem like a lot of time per message but multiply it by the volume of mail this group generates some of the time it can get quite costly. Personally, I do not appreciate the coloured text and idiotic smileys that come with some messages. Don Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
This is not accusing but just stating, this is how many of the worms get into peoples PCs. Unaware people recieve a worm, and next e-mail out carries itself to everywhere. Worms cannot hide in plain text, but love to hide in HTML. I have the softwear to stop them for myself, but not everyone does. That is the main reason for NO HTML, and secondary was for those people, and there are many, who cannot get access, or afford DSL style connections. There will come a time that these folks may fall throuth the cracks, but having been one until 6 months ago, I feel for them, and hope they can catch up with us ASAP. Rich --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read the ongoing discussion regarding HTML, rich text, and plain text and until now was completely unaware that I was sending a message in HTML. Once I looked into this and since I use AOL, I spent 15 minutes trying to find the difference or how to fix in the AOL program. Then I went to the Legacy etiquette section (which I had originally read) and it directed me to rootsweb.com which had a simple outline of how to address this issue and all the various programs. I never knew about right clicking in the text box in AOL and then you can choose plain text for your message. I am somewhat computer savvy but I was unaware and I am sure most folks who have sent HTMLs are in the same boat. Hopefully this arrives in plain text and now that I know how to do it (as an AOL user), I will change my ways. For many of us, it is something we did not even know about or notice and trying to look it up in AOL was useless. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I considered not entering the plain text vs. HTML fray. I neither view mail nor send mail in HTML format, mainly for security reasons, but also I'm old school having dealt for years with email before anyone even thought of the idea of sending it in other than text mode. However, for informational purposes... Anyone using Thunderbird as their email application can force all email to be viewed in plain text. I realize this does *nothing* about the file size, but for viewing purposes, you can do the following: View Message Body As Plain Text Also, even with the above, there are some list messages that come through in a dim shade of gray. These are from people using the windows-1250 character set, generally from Outlook or MSN. I found that the following solves that problem: Tools Options Display Then check Apply the default character encoding to all incoming messages This will force all messages to be displayed in the character encoding that you have specified in the above Display panel. I use ISO-8859-1. As I said these workarounds do nothing about file size, but I'd rather do something on the receiving end to solve the problem than force senders to step outside their comfort zone. Hopefully other email applications also allow the user to control how they view messages. Ed Lawler Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I agree. Also annoying are: Attachments. Receipt confirmation requests. And messages that are not 'snipped'. Roger Holland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:59:37 -0400 Sherry, Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages to the list are getting ridiculous. I don't know which is worse, the font that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the the messages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or a huge bold font. I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply, whether by choice or lack of knowledge. If HTML messages were blocked like they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to either send a plain text message or they would not be able to participate on the list. Thank you, Ron Bernier _ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I'm not so sure Roots Web lists block HTML messages as I have no problem with them and as you can tell, I transmit HTML. Using Yahoo it is very inconvenient to switch back and forth and I suspect many don't know how to do it. The editing and formating capabilities of this mode in Yahoo mail are very desireable (except when sending to this list.) I will try to switch back and forth. I appreciate all the problems it gives some recipients. As an alternative I may not send to list at all and just read. Nick CirilloRoger Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. Also annoying are:Attachments.Receipt confirmation requests.And messages that are not 'snipped'.RogerHolland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:59:37 -0400 Sherry, Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages to the list are getting ridiculous. I don't know which is worse, the font that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the the messages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or a huge bold font. I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply, whether by choice or lack of knowledge. If HTML messages were blocked like they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to either send a plain text message or they would not be able to participate on the list. Thank you, Ron Bernier_Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail.http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6dLegacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspTo find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
In many cases, people using Windows based software usually default to HTML. In some cases, people probably don't realize they are sending messages in HTML or don't know how to change it. Many people that are not what I would call computer savvy just may not know there is a difference and may not know what someone is referring to when discussing HTML. I try to remember to watch and change it, but frankly, I don't mind if my messages come to me in HTML or plain text. Either one if fine with me. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Bernier Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:00 AM To: Legacy Family Tree Subject: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Sherry, Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages to the list are getting ridiculous. I don't know which is worse, the font that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the the messages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or a huge bold font. I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply, whether by choice or lack of knowledge. If HTML messages were blocked like they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to either send a plain text message or they would not be able to participate on the list. Thank you, Ron Bernier -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Judie, It's not just size for the servers, but please remember that many of our users are still on dial-up (not everyone has broadband available in their area or can afford it!) and have *very* slow connections. Some users pay by the minute for downloading their messages so it's not just an inconvience for them but also costs them time and money! Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:52 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List The original purpose, I believe, for banning HTML messages was their size. Most lists didn't have the capability of handling them. These days HTML messages are more reasonable in size and servers have greater capacity. It's just one of those realities of life where things change, and they are not always to our liking. As has been mentioned, not everyone is adept at computers and some just couldn't make the change without help, or don't even realize that they are sending HTML as it is the default for their mail program. While my aging eyes find the small fonts difficult, I appreciate the huge bold ones grin. I do, however, object to intentionally added items such as advertisements, attachments, decorations, smilies, pictures, and the like. There is a place for such things, but, IMHO, this list is not one of them. Personally, I dislike receiving long, long posts that include every reply to a subject with the lines added by Legacy at the end of each one. The clutter drives me crazy. I guess we each have our little peeves that annoy us. Some prefer it that way so that they can remember the entire conversation. My advice...relax and appreciate the variety! Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I would suggest that you try Google mail (gmail) for this list; there is an option for plain vs. formatted text. Also there is practially unlimited space for incoming messages. Since this group generates a good number of messages per day, I'm able to filter these messages and have them marked LUG. So far I've only used about 1% of storage capacity and can easily scroll thru older messages for reference or re-reading. This reply is a test to see just how much of the original message and replies that can be left out. Did I mention that Gmail is FREE? Jacquie On 10/18/06, Ron Bernier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages to Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Ron, Unfortunately, no. I realize it is a problem and apparently our newer listers aren't reading the LUG Etiquette Guidelines. 3. Please send messages in plain text format only. HTML format messages are blocked by our list server for several good reasons: They require more server space for archiving than plain text messages; HTML messages can hide viruses; people with visual impairment have difficulty reading messages with colored text and tinted backgrounds; and some email readers display HTML messages by including the code, which is very hard to read through. Please visit http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/listadmins/plaintext.html for help in turning off HTML in messages. The link to the LUG Etiquette Guidelines is at the bottom of every email message posted to the group. I found a great article on the web awhile back about Why HTML in E-Mail is a Bad Idea http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html I personally don't like HTML messages - esp those using IncrediMail backgrounds! I find them really hard to read with my vision. I've learned how to work around those so I can read the user's email and respond (click on Reply then go to Format and change to Plain Text. However, you *can* change the font size of message, at least in Outlook, by holding down the ctrl key while scrolling with the wheel on a wheel mouse. This is only for viewing, doesn't affect what's sent and works in either plain text or HTML. I'm pretty sure this works in Outlook Express also. It may be tied in with IE, I don't know, so if it's not working for you, open IE and go to Tools Internet Options and click on the Accessibility button. Select Ignore Font sizes specified on web pages. That works super for reading web pages that have too small of fonts (you can also select Ignore colors specified on web pages if you're browsing a web page that has horrid contrast between the background and fonts!) Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Bernier Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:00 AM To: Legacy Family Tree Subject: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Sherry, Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages to the list are getting ridiculous. I don't know which is worse, the font that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the the messages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or a huge bold font. I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply, whether by choice or lack of knowledge. If HTML messages were blocked like they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to either send a plain text message or they would not be able to participate on the list. Thank you, Ron Bernier -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I think you are right in that most people are not computer savy enough to realize they are sending html and do not know enough about it to change their default settings. However HTML email does pose a security risk and therefore should be avoided when possible. Especially vulnerable are the very people who do not realize they are sending HTML, because they probably also do not know enough to use good antivirus and anti-malware software and firewalls. If they use wireless lans, their lans are probably not secure and using default factory settings. Jeff Paul C. Abell wrote: In many cases, people using Windows based software usually default to HTML. In some cases, people probably don't realize they are sending messages in HTML or don't know how to change it. Many people that are not what I would call computer savvy just may not know there is a difference and may not know what someone is referring to when discussing HTML. I try to remember to watch and change it, but frankly, I don't mind if my messages come to me in HTML or plain text. Either one if fine with me. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Bernier Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:00 AM To: Legacy Family Tree Subject: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Sherry, Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages to the list are getting ridiculous. I don't know which is worse, the font that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the the messages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or a huge bold font. I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply, whether by choice or lack of knowledge. If HTML messages were blocked like they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to either send a plain text message or they would not be able to participate on the list. Thank you, Ron Bernier Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
The original purpose, I believe, for banning HTML messages was their size. Most lists didn't have the capability of handling them. These days HTML messages are more reasonable in size and servers have greater capacity. It's just one of those realities of life where things change, and they are not always to our liking. As has been mentioned, not everyone is adept at computers and some just couldn't make the change without help, or don't even realize that they are sending HTML as it is the default for their mail program. While my aging eyes find the small fonts difficult, I appreciate the huge bold ones grin. I do, however, object to intentionally added items such as advertisements, attachments, decorations, smilies, pictures, and the like. There is a place for such things, but, IMHO, this list is not one of them. Personally, I dislike receiving long, long posts that include every reply to a subject with the lines added by Legacy at the end of each one. The clutter drives me crazy. I guess we each have our little peeves that annoy us. Some prefer it that way so that they can remember the entire conversation. My advice...relax and appreciate the variety! Judie * Sherry, * * Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup * software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages * to * the list are getting ridiculous. I don't know which is worse, the font * that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the the * messages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or a * huge bold font. I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking * people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply, * whether by choice or lack of knowledge. If HTML messages were blocked * like they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to * either send a plain text message or they would not be able to * participate on the list. * * Thank you, * Ron Bernier * -- * Ron Bernier * Woonsocket, RI -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I just checked my settings and I have a choice of plain text, rich text or HTML. I'm currently on rich text. Does that bother as much as HTML or is it okay? Teri -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul C. Abell Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:42 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List In many cases, people using Windows based software usually default to HTML. In some cases, people probably don't realize they are sending messages in HTML or don't know how to change it. Many people that are not what I would call computer savvy just may not know there is a difference and may not know what someone is referring to when discussing HTML. I try to remember to watch and change it, but frankly, I don't mind if my messages come to me in HTML or plain text. Either one if fine with me. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Bernier Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:00 AM To: Legacy Family Tree Subject: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Sherry, Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages to the list are getting ridiculous. I don't know which is worse, the font that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the the messages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or a huge bold font. I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply, whether by choice or lack of knowledge. If HTML messages were blocked like they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to either send a plain text message or they would not be able to participate on the list. Thank you, Ron Bernier -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
When replying, the default setting in Outlook Express is to use the format of the original message and it is easy to forget to set the format back to plain text. Having said that receiving html messages doesn't bother me at all. Chris - Original Message - From: Paul C. Abell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List In many cases, people using Windows based software usually default to HTML. In some cases, people probably don't realize they are sending messages in HTML or don't know how to change it. Many people that are not what I would call computer savvy just may not know there is a difference and may not know what someone is referring to when discussing HTML. I try to remember to watch and change it, but frankly, I don't mind if my messages come to me in HTML or plain text. Either one if fine with me. Paul Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
If you get a gmail account (a web-based email account from Google), it filters most of the html, and I very seldom have any problem reading the messages from this list.So, if it bothers you, get a gmail account, which also has almost unlimited storage space and then you can also refer back to old emails if you want to. If you still need an invitation to gmail, email me and I will send one to you. Thanks, MarionOn 10/18/06, Paul C. Abell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many cases, people using Windows based software usually default to HTML.In some cases, people probably don't realize they are sending messages inHTML or don't know how to change it.Many people that are not what I would call computer savvy just may not know there is a difference and may notknow what someone is referring to when discussing HTML.I try to rememberto watch and change it, but frankly, I don't mind if my messages come to me in HTML or plain text. Either one if fine with me.Paul-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ron BernierSent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:00 AMTo: Legacy Family TreeSubject: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Sherry,Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroupsoftware/server to block HTML messages.The amount of HTML messages tothe list are getting ridiculous.I don't know which is worse, the font that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the themessages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or ahuge bold font.I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply,whether by choice or lack of knowledge.If HTML messages were blockedlike they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to either send a plain text message or they would not be able toparticipate on the list.Thank you,Ron Bernier--Ron BernierWoonsocket, RILegacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspTo find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/For online technical support, please visithttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.aspLegacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspTo find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Nicholas, First, there is no need for anyone to feel like they should not send to the list. That was never the intent of my post. Second, there is nothing wrong with the message that you have sent to the list. What I have a problem with is the really small font that some folks use. Worse, is the messages that use a colored font. I can accept the fact that some people may not be aware of the fact that they are sending a message in HTML (it is possible that rootsweb strips the html code), but I can not accept that a person can send a message to the list and not know they are using a colored font. It's my opinion that anyone who sends a message using a colored font (even for private email) is very rude. Regards, Ron Bernier On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:59:53 -0700 (PDT), Nicholas Cirillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm not so sure Roots Web lists block HTML messages as I have no problem with them and as you can tell, I transmit HTML. Using Yahoo it is very inconvenient to switch back and forth and I suspect many don't know how to do it. The editing and formating capabilities of this mode in Yahoo mail are very desireable (except when sending to this list.) I will try to switch back and forth. I appreciate all the problems it gives some recipients. As an alternative I may not send to list at all and just read. Nick Cirillo Roger Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. Also annoying are: Attachments. Receipt confirmation requests. And messages that are not 'snipped'. Roger Holland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:59:37 -0400 Sherry, Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages to the list are getting ridiculous. I don't know which is worse, the font that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the the messages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or a huge bold font. I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply, whether by choice or lack of knowledge. If HTML messages were blocked like they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to either send a plain text message or they would not be able to participate on the list. Thank you, Ron Bernier _ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
People who are not aware of how to switch between plain text emails and HTML/rich text emails may be assisted by reading the information at http://www.expita.com/nomime.html This is a link I send to people at a list I help administer when they're having difficulties working out how to post in plain text. That list is semi-moderated, so any new members who don't post in plain text at the beginning are gently educated before being allowed to post directly. Anyone who is not on review at that list, who later starts doing things like sending posts not in plain text, get sent a private posting reminder, and can be set to review once more to help them learn to post within that group's rules if necessary. The software running that list makes the semi-moderation possible. Personally, I use Outlook Express for my mail at the moment. With this I can set any email address in my address book to send in plain text only, so I don't have to remember to do so. I choose to not use this, though would if my memory were not up to the task (most emails I send out each day are to lists that need to be posted to in plain text). Instead, I compose in HTML mode because the spelling checker works properly in that mode (but not in plain text, for some obscure reason) and when I'm satisfied with the post change the format to plain text just before sending; this gives me the added benefit of being able to review the appearance of the post before it's sent, in case something hasn't turned out as I expected. It's not often I forget that last step of changing the format to plain text. ;-) Hope this helps those who post to this list in HTML to understand how to manage their mail client with better effect. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Teri, Your email that came through to me was 12 KB (not too bad!) although plain text would be smaller. Worse still is the ability to add attachments to the LUG! Since April we have had two emails that were 543 Kb 539 Kb, not nice if you are paying for dialup!!! If anyone is unsure how to change to Plain Text email output, in MS Outlook select TOOLS / OPTIONS / MAIL FORMAT TAB / Select Plain Text. Other programs will have a similar way of defining output. And please no more attachments. Norman in Sunny Spain I just checked my settings and I have a choice of plain text, rich text or HTML. I'm currently on rich text. Does that bother as much as HTML or is it okay? Teri -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/480 - Release Date: 17/10/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Could someone explain to me what is wrong with HTML msgs? I thought I was pretty computer savy but can't understand the problem. I have no problem receiving plain text or HTML. Regards Graeme Ellis Western Australia - Original Message - From: Paul C. Abell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List In many cases, people using Windows based software usually default to HTML. In some cases, people probably don't realize they are sending messages in HTML or don't know how to change it. Many people that are not what I would call computer savvy just may not know there is a difference and may not know what someone is referring to when discussing HTML. I try to remember to watch and change it, but frankly, I don't mind if my messages come to me in HTML or plain text. Either one if fine with me. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Bernier Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:00 AM To: Legacy Family Tree Subject: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Sherry, Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages to the list are getting ridiculous. I don't know which is worse, the font that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the the messages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or a huge bold font. I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply, whether by choice or lack of knowledge. If HTML messages were blocked like they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to either send a plain text message or they would not be able to participate on the list. Thank you, Ron Bernier -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/480 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
For those using Outlook Express, there is a setting in your Address Book entries that can override your general Outlook Express options. Even if your general option is set to HTML output, you can check the little checkbox on the Name tab of your address book entry for LegacyUserGroup@Legacyfamilytree.com to send in plain text only. Not sure if this works for replies to incoming HTML e-mails, but it definitely works for new e-mails. Sherry, thanks for the tip on Control+mouse wheel for reading fine print. Works well in OE. Ward - Original Message - From: Chris Coward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List When replying, the default setting in Outlook Express is to use the format of the original message and it is easy to forget to set the format back to plain text. Having said that receiving html messages doesn't bother me at all. Chris - Original Message - From: Paul C. Abell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List In many cases, people using Windows based software usually default to HTML. In some cases, people probably don't realize they are sending messages in HTML or don't know how to change it. Many people that are not what I would call computer savvy just may not know there is a difference and may not know what someone is referring to when discussing HTML. I try to remember to watch and change it, but frankly, I don't mind if my messages come to me in HTML or plain text. Either one if fine with me. Paul Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I, too, will gladly send invitations if you send me a private email. Paul From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marion McCall Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List If you get a gmail account (a web-based email account from Google), it filters most of the html, and I very seldom have any problem reading the messages from this list. So, if it bothers you, get a gmail account, which also has almost unlimited storage space and then you can also refer back to old emails if you want to. If you still need an invitation to gmail, email me and I will send one to you. Thanks, Marion Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I apologize. I didn't realize it was still on. * Paul * * Could you please turn off your request for a read confirmation? These * popups * are annoying and completely unappreciated * * Don Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graeme Ellis Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Could someone explain to me what is wrong with HTML msgs? I thought I was pretty computer savy but can't understand the problem. I have no problem receiving plain text or HTML. Regards Graeme Ellis Western Australia Graeme The main concern for me is that nasty things, eg. Viruses, can be eembeded within an html message unknown to you the sender. As well people on dialup have to pay by the minute for downloads. This may not seem like a lot of time per message but multiply it by the volume of mail this group generates some of the time it can get quite costly. Personally, I do not appreciate the coloured text and idiotic smileys that come with some messages. Don Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Hi Graeme, Could someone explain to me what is wrong with HTML msgs? There is a good discussion of reasons at the link I gave earlier - http://www.expita.com/nomime.html For most people, it's a matter of the size of the email that is produced - HTML emails are much larger than plain text ones. This is important for some people because they're on dial-up connections, and for others because they pay by the KB for their service. Inconsiderate posters, who send HTML posts when they've been asked to post in plain text or haven't deleted extraneous text from previous posts, cost those people in time and/or money. For all of us, mail from list servers that only allow plain text emails are much less likely to contain viruses and other nasties because they usually limit the size of the emails. Viruses etc are larger than most plain text posts. Others have pointed out that they have difficulty reading some text that comes through in HTML posts. Hope this helps to explain the situation, Graeme. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Hello to the list My problem is the request read receipts If every person on the list sends a read receipt to the poster he would end up with a useful address list for a spammer I wonder if this is the reason people request a read receipt to a posting to a list Any thoughts John Shirley John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maitland Area Lower Hunter Valley NSW Australia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul C. Abell Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:42 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
This is in plain text. As far as I am concerned as well as many others, there is nothing wrong with HTML. I have dial-up at home and DSL at work (with my laptop at both places) and the HTML messages don't seem to make a difference to me in relation to downloading messages through Outlook unless there are attachments of large sizes. However there are some people that have issues with HTML. I have read reports of security issues, but, with the availability of anti-virus software and the firewalls for $50 (US Dollars) per year or less, most people will not have a problem. I have yet to receive a virus even though the majority of my emails come to me in HTML and I receive a lot of emails on a daily basis. In earlier years of the web and lists, storage space was a big issue and HTML was discouraged because storage was expensive. However, with technologies available, storage costs have come down considerably, therefore, more storage is available for the requirements of growing technologies. Just as computers require more and more memory daily, so do the servers. Just as with the cost of computers and their storage decreasing, so it goes with the servers. A personal website that at one time would be several hundred dollars per year can now be had at less than one hundred dollars per year with incredible amounts of storage and an almost limitless amount of files. As an example, email me in private and I will give you the link. Even though I think that barring HTML is somewhat out of bounds these days with the recent claims being somewhat antiquated, if Legacy wants plain text, then, we the users, need to accept the rules and abide by them with all due respect to the administrators of the Users Group as I will try and do. They have done a great job in providing this type support to us. These user groups help people get the help they need from one another instead of a large number of support personnel, while reducing the tech support costs associated with the company, thereby keeping the cost of Legacy to its users at a fraction of what it would otherwise be. The least we can do is gladly adhere to their policies if we want to use their groups for support. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graeme Ellis Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Could someone explain to me what is wrong with HTML msgs? I thought I was pretty computer savy but can't understand the problem. I have no problem receiving plain text or HTML. Regards Graeme Ellis Western Australia Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I apologize for the read receipts. I use them for work. I just forgot to turn it off today when I replied to a message. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shirley John Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:57 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Hello to the list My problem is the request read receipts If every person on the list sends a read receipt to the poster he would end up with a useful address list for a spammer I wonder if this is the reason people request a read receipt to a posting to a list Any thoughts John Shirley John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maitland Area Lower Hunter Valley NSW Australia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul C. Abell Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:42 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
Hi Art, It just took me about three minutes to go through all my e-list addresses and click the plain text box... If this e:mail is received in plain test it works, I'm composing in HTML. Looking good! Glad I could help. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
