Re: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

2011-08-03 Thread Wendy Howard
I didn't have Legacy running when I read your post a moment ago,
Richard, so I fired it up and checked the Home tab - sure enough, it was
telling me that there was a new version available, as Sherry indicated.

Perhaps your copy of the program has yet to check for updates?  I can't
imagine that every copy checks every minute of the day that it's
running, so it must take a while for them all to discover there is one
available.  Or however it works, I have no knowledge of it.

The upshot is that the update is not secret.  ;-)

Regards,
Wendy

Richard Van Wasshnova said the following on 3/08/2011 6:06 p.m.:
 I have vers 7.5.0.105 and the Legacy home page says You have the
 latest build.
 Secret updates again?

 -- Richard Van Wasshnova On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:48 PM,
 Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
   The latest build is 7.5.0.112 and has several fixes in it. Please
   update to the current build. If you still see the problem, please
   report it tosupp...@legacyfamilytree.com.
 
 snip

   Sincerely,
   Sherry
   Technical Support
   Legacy Family Tree


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Re: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

2011-08-03 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/08/03 08:06, Richard Van Wasshnova wrote:
 I have vers 7.5.0.105 and the Legacy home page says You have the
 latest build.
 Secret updates again?

Click on the label Updates. Then Check for updates.

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Re: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

2011-08-03 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/08/03 08:06, Richard Van Wasshnova wrote:
 I have vers 7.5.0.105 and the Legacy home page says You have the
 latest build.
 Secret updates again?

Alternatively:-

a) Click the Options button
b) Select Check the Internet Now...
c) Back in the Updates section, click on Check For Update

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RE: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

2011-08-03 Thread Genealogy
No 'secret updates', if you want to check, just click on the Updates word above 
where it says you have the latest version on the Legacy Home Page as this 
'forces' Legacy to check for updates.

Geoff Underhill
Primary families:
AUSTEN, BEE/ACH, BUGDEN, BUTLER, HICKMOTT, KING, LAWRENCE, UNDERHILL, AVERY 
from Kent  Sussex, UK

-Original Message-
From: Richard Van Wasshnova [mailto:rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:06 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

I have vers 7.5.0.105 and the Legacy home page says You have the
latest build.
Secret updates again?

--
Richard Van Wasshnova

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Sherry/Support
she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 The latest build is 7.5.0.112 and has several fixes in it. Please
 update to the current build. If you still see the problem, please
 report it to supp...@legacyfamilytree.com.

snip

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree





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Re: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

2011-08-03 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/08/03 11:38, Edward A. Feustel wrote:
 I have the Deluxe Version of Legacy Version 7.5 Build 105.  There are no
 options for
 online update.

Yes there are! Legacy Home tab. Top-right under the series of tabs. There's an
Options button. Click it and see the menu that comes up. It has Options...,
Zoom... and Check the Internet Now...

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:32:30 -0600, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com
wrote:

They appear to be heading toward a fee based system with all their limited 
access restrictions.

I don't know if this is true, but I for one wouldn't mind paying a small
fee for the convenience of accessing the digitized records from the
convenience of my home. I used to pay $5 plus per FHL film and had to
drive 12 miles each way to be able to view films once a week for only 2
hours with no ability to make a copy (except if I used my own digital
camera).

I used to pay for Ancestry.com too, but have recently dropped my
subscription because I am finding enough info available for free on the
web to keep me busy. I will probably re-up my subscription to
Ancestry.com late 2012 once the 1940 U.S. Census starts to get indexed
sometime next year. (Maybe I need to get to work on a modification to
the Advanced Tag Living LTool to only tag individuals who appear to be
heads of households.)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

2011-08-03 Thread cranberryfrog
No, not a fee, Leon.  Here is how it is going to work...  There WILL be some
databases that will be restricted.  To earn access you have to index at
least 900 records per quarter via the FamilySearch Indexing.  Each person
you index can earn you 1, 3, or 5 points depending on how difficult the
record is.  I am currently indexing approx 500-800 points per month (and I
am not even working hard) so I will have no problem gaining access to these
databases.  The LDS has not started the point system yet and we do not know
when they will.

The family tree portion of FamilySearch is not available to the general
public yet, only to the LDS and to selected LDS beta testers.  If you watch
Geoff's Webinar on cleaning up your Legacy file prior to FamilySearch
launching, you will learn a lot.  It is very much like the old Ancestral
File (not the IGI!)  but in a newer, easier to use format.  However, it will
have a lot of the same problems as the Ancestral File as Geoff points out.
He did say that you will be able to fix errors in a round about way (you can
ask the contributor to fix the error, you can delete sections, you can
choice which information is the correct info but be aware that other people
behind you can do the same thing).

We will just have to wait and see :)

michele

P.S. I am not LDS


-Original Message-
From: Leon Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:32 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

David:

I have exactly the same experience as you with familysearch.
It was better 3-5 years ago than it is today with no access.
I was told about 2 yrs ago the new system would be open to the public is a
few months - it has been about 2 hrs and no access.

They seem to have all these volunteers duplicating what is already available
commercially and placing that data into a restricted set of databases.  They
appear to be heading toward a fee based system with all their limited access
restrictions.

For me, as a non- LDS person, familysearch has very limited utility.

Sent from my iPad
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com

On Aug 2, 2011, at 3:50 PM, David C Abernathy da...@schmeckabernathy.com
wrote:

 I signed up when it was first announced and gave the impression that
 EVERYONE would have access. It has been almost 2 years since this
 announcement and the NON members still do not have a working login.
 It has been a lot of hype and no production. There are many family
 research programs that now have the tools, but not access, it has been a
 waste of my time trying to use Legacy as it is designed to interface with
 Family Search. A real let down by Legacy and LDS church.

 I have found that most of the IGI are based on the membership of the
 church submitting their family data that was approved by the local Ward
 Clerk.. My father was this person for while. They were just a rubber
 stamp, as a GOOD Mormon would not provide false information. It was the
 word from SL that all submittals were to be approved as the information
 was needed good or bad.

 After digging into what my mother had, and had submitted it was a
 nightmare to clean and figure out where she was going with here data. None
 of her data was on a computer but it is ALL at Family Search and is still
 a mess. She could not even spell correctly her own surname of her line.

 Thanks,
 David C Abernathy
 Email disclaimers
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:57 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

 The New Familiy Search is just trees contributed by members... It's
 much like the old IGI and best used for clues, IMHO.

 If you go to new.FamiliySearch.org, you can sign up to get on the list
 for a non-member log-in.  The only thing you'll not see once you get
 your log-in is the ordinance data for church members.

 The www.FamilySearch.org site is the one with all the really good
 stuff like scans and transcriptions!


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



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 da...@schmeckabernathy.com wrote:
 Tim,
 That is true, but if one can NOT access the NewFamilySearch what good
 does it do me?
 The OLD Family Search has some good information, but the real stuff is in
 the NEW area.

 Thanks,
 David C Abernathy


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

2011-08-03 Thread cranberryfrog
Dennis,
I would bet that the FamilySearch volunteer indexers can get the 1940
indexed in 24 hours :)   They have put other record collections out there
and then announced it was important to get it done fast and if you didn't
get logged in quick enough, all the batches were already taken!

michele


-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:32:30 -0600, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com
wrote:

They appear to be heading toward a fee based system with all their limited
access restrictions.

I don't know if this is true, but I for one wouldn't mind paying a small
fee for the convenience of accessing the digitized records from the
convenience of my home. I used to pay $5 plus per FHL film and had to
drive 12 miles each way to be able to view films once a week for only 2
hours with no ability to make a copy (except if I used my own digital
camera).

I used to pay for Ancestry.com too, but have recently dropped my
subscription because I am finding enough info available for free on the
web to keep me busy. I will probably re-up my subscription to
Ancestry.com late 2012 once the 1940 U.S. Census starts to get indexed
sometime next year. (Maybe I need to get to work on a modification to
the Advanced Tag Living LTool to only tag individuals who appear to be
heads of households.)

--

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools

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Re: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

2011-08-03 Thread Sherry/Support
My laptop shows .112.  My PC shows .105.

You can download the latest update from our website and install that
and see if the version number changes.   www.LegacyFamilyTree.com 
Download  Download Update



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova
rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have vers 7.5.0.105 and the Legacy home page says You have the
 latest build.
 Secret updates again?

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Re: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

2011-08-03 Thread Sherry/Support
I just noticed that the build number changed this morning.



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Sherry/Support
she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 My laptop shows .112.  My PC shows .105.

 You can download the latest update from our website and install that
 and see if the version number changes.   www.LegacyFamilyTree.com 
 Download  Download Update



 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova
 rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have vers 7.5.0.105 and the Legacy home page says You have the
 latest build.
 Secret updates again?

 --
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Re: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

2011-08-03 Thread Kevin Long
Sherry, Why don't you just have them change the page to NOT say you have the
latest build.  It obviously doesn't work all the time so why say it!  Also,
how about a message on Legacy News simply announcing the updates?  Lets
solve, not perpetuate the problem.  I get tired of reading about the same
problems over and over.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Sherry/Support
she...@legacyfamilytree.comwrote:

 My laptop shows .112.  My PC shows .105.

 You can download the latest update from our website and install that
 and see if the version number changes.   www.LegacyFamilyTree.com 
 Download  Download Update



 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova
 rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com wrote:
  I have vers 7.5.0.105 and the Legacy home page says You have the
  latest build.
  Secret updates again?
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

2011-08-03 Thread Richard Van Wasshnova
Last night it said I have the latest. This morning said I have
7.5.0.105 and latest is 7.5.0.112 so I was able to update from there.

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she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 I just noticed that the build number changed this morning.



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Re: [LegacyUG] FamilySearch.org internet search

2011-08-03 Thread Tim Rosenlof
Confirmed.

On 8/2/2011 8:52 PM, Laird wrote:
 Version 7.5.0.112 claims to fix the problem with FamilySearch.org internet 
 searchs
   From 7.5.0.112 fixes:
 Internet Search - Updated the FamilySearch.org internet searches.

 It looks to me like it still doesn't work with a person that only has a death
 date and no birth date.
 Anyone else notice this?
 Laird



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Re: [LegacyUG] FamilySearch.org internet search

2011-08-03 Thread Tim Rosenlof
Off list conversation

On 8/2/2011 8:52 PM, Laird wrote:
 Version 7.5.0.112 claims to fix the problem with FamilySearch.org internet 
 searchs
   From 7.5.0.112 fixes:
 Internet Search - Updated the FamilySearch.org internet searches.

 It looks to me like it still doesn't work with a person that only has a death
 date and no birth date.
 Anyone else notice this?
 Laird




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[LegacyUG] Using sentence structure variable [Address]

2011-08-03 Thread David
Anyone able to use the vanilla sentence variable [Address]?

I am trying to use the following sentence structure (to make Legacy
compatible with other genealogy programs) and find that there is no
[atAddress], [inAddress] etc. sentence variable to take care of the
cases where the [Address] variable is missing.

[HeShe] was baptized [Desc] [onDate] [Address] [inPlace].[Sources] [Notes]

Problem: I can find no way to add at, or in etc. in front of the
[Address] variable.

Any one have any ideas?

David


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Re: [LegacyUG] Using sentence structure variable [Address]

2011-08-03 Thread Ron Ferguson
David,

Unless you have a specific reason as to why you can't - why don't you add
'at' to the sentence before the [Address]. I can understand it not being
included as standard due to the number of prepositions available.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: David
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Using sentence structure variable [Address]

Anyone able to use the vanilla sentence variable [Address]?

I am trying to use the following sentence structure (to make Legacy
compatible with other genealogy programs) and find that there is no
[atAddress], [inAddress] etc. sentence variable to take care of the
cases where the [Address] variable is missing.

[HeShe] was baptized [Desc] [onDate] [Address] [inPlace].[Sources] [Notes]

Problem: I can find no way to add at, or in etc. in front of the
[Address] variable.

Any one have any ideas?

David



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Re: [LegacyUG] The Latest Build

2011-08-03 Thread Willard Ellis
If you place your cursor on the word UPDATES, while in the Legacy
home view, you can click on it and that will open a window to check
for updates.  I find this method very easy to use to get the latest
update.

Bill Ellis
Erie, PA

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rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Last night it said I have the latest. This morning said I have
 7.5.0.105 and latest is 7.5.0.112 so I was able to update from there.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Using sentence structure variable [Address]

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:36:32 +0100, Ron Ferguson
ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Unless you have a specific reason as to why you can't - why don't you add
'at' to the sentence before the [Address]. I can understand it not being
included as standard due to the number of prepositions available.

I think that would cause a problem if [Address] were blank. If some sort
of IF/THEN/ELSE structure were available it could be done.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Using sentence structure variable [Address]

2011-08-03 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 03/08/2011 19:55, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:
 Unless you have a specific reason as to why you can't - why don't you add
 'at' to the sentence before the [Address]. I can understand it not being
 included as standard due to the number of prepositions available.
 I think that would cause a problem if [Address] were blank. If some sort
 of IF/THEN/ELSE structure were available it could be done.

The annoying restriction is that one can only use Desc, Date, Place and
Notes as the first conditional field in an If...THEN sentence.

I don't use the Address field, but someone who does might consider it
worth proposing this being added to the list.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-03 Thread Joan Kemp

  
  
Hi!

How can you change the name of a source from 'Unspecified'?

I have set up a new master source as a template for the information
contained on a standard birth certificate.
I have called it 'Birth certificate template' but it would be nice
if it weren't listed as 'Unspecified'

And how do you remove sources you'll never need, such as LDSB
(whatever that might be)? - you can always re-create then if
eventually needed.


(so that I can copy this text for any record)
Date of Birth: 
Place of Birth:
Name:
Father:
Mother:
Father's Occupation:
Signature:
Reg Date:



Many thanks

Joan Kemp
  


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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-03 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/08/03 23:38, Joan Kemp wrote:

 How can you change the name of a source from 'Unspecified'?

 I have set up a new master source as a template for the information contained 
 on
 a standard birth certificate.
 I have called it 'Birth certificate template' but it would be nice if it 
 weren't
 listed as 'Unspecified'

Your citation is NOT associated with an item of data. As a result, it goes into
the Unspecified bucket.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-03 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 03/08/2011 22:38, Joan Kemp wrote:
 How can you change the name of a source from 'Unspecified'?

 I have set up a new master source as a template for the information
 contained on a standard birth certificate.
 I have called it 'Birth certificate template' but it would be nice if it
 weren't listed as 'Unspecified'

Unspecified is not the name of a Source.  It is the name of a field that
you can enter a Source in if you so wish.  If you have a Source in the
Unspecified field on someone's record you can simply delete it.  On the
person's Assigned Sources screen, click on the Unspecified field to
select it and click Remove.

 And how do you remove sources you'll never need, such as LDSB (whatever
 that might be)? - you can always re-create then if eventually needed.

Either you have created this Source, or you imported it with data from
someone else.   Provided no person has that Source attached to them you
can simply delete it from the Source list.  (If it is attached to anyone
you will need to Remove it from their Assigned Sources first.)  To
delete it, open the Master Sources List, highlight the unwanted Source,
select Options and click Delete Master Source.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-03 Thread Connie Sheets
Joan,

I'm a bit confused by your question, but I hope one of these answers will be 
responsive:

(1) An unspecified event (not source) is built in to Legacy for every 
person.  As far as I know, you can't change it.  What you can do, however, is 
ignore it. 

Make sure you've copied the source to the Source Clipboard, then delete the 
citation to the Unspecified Event.  Then, attach the source to the event or 
events you want it attached to, such as Name, Date of Birth, etc.

(2) If that is not what you're asking, then all you should have to do is rename 
the source from your Master Source List (Master Source ListEdit).  For sources 
you never use, Master Source ListOptionsPurge Unused.

Connie

--- On Wed, 8/3/11, Joan Kemp jk...@yahoo.com wrote:

How can you change the name of a source from 'Unspecified'?

I have set up a new master source as a template for the information
contained on a standard birth certificate.

I have called it 'Birth certificate template' but it would be nice
if it weren't listed as 'Unspecified'

And how do you remove sources you'll never need, such as LDSB
(whatever that might be)? - you can always re-create then if
eventually needed.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-03 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:15:35 +0100, Jenny M Benson
ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:

 Provided no person has that Source attached to them you
can simply delete it from the Source list.  (If it is attached to anyone
you will need to Remove it from their Assigned Sources first.)

You can delete it regardless (at least you could in V6). When you click
'Options | Delete Master Source' you will be prompted Cannot delete
source, it is being used. Would you like to view records that use it?.
Click Yes. Then, on the subsequent screen, click Delete this Master
Source and all Citations to it.

I'm not sure the OP really wants to do this though...

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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-03 Thread Joan Kemp
Many thanks for this, but two points;

How do I create a template?  The only way I seem to be able to do this
is to name a master source then copy  paste the template details from a
saved Notepad file.  This is pretty clumsy!

1. New master source:  Birth certificate
2. Copy from Notepad:

Date of Birth:
Place of Birth:
Name:
Father:
Mother:
Father's Occupation:
Signature:
Reg Date:

3. Fill in details manually.

I want to be able to combine 1.  2. above

I also want to similarly create a new master source called 'Marriage
certificate' - and change the name from 'unspecified' to 'Marriage'

Thanks

Joan



On 03/08/2011 23:15, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 03/08/2011 22:38, Joan Kemp wrote:
 How can you change the name of a source from 'Unspecified'?

 I have set up a new master source as a template for the information
 contained on a standard birth certificate.
 I have called it 'Birth certificate template' but it would be nice if it
 weren't listed as 'Unspecified'
 Unspecified is not the name of a Source.  It is the name of a field that
 you can enter a Source in if you so wish.  If you have a Source in the
 Unspecified field on someone's record you can simply delete it.  On the
 person's Assigned Sources screen, click on the Unspecified field to
 select it and click Remove.
 And how do you remove sources you'll never need, such as LDSB (whatever
 that might be)? - you can always re-create then if eventually needed.
 Either you have created this Source, or you imported it with data from
 someone else.   Provided no person has that Source attached to them you
 can simply delete it from the Source list.  (If it is attached to anyone
 you will need to Remove it from their Assigned Sources first.)  To
 delete it, open the Master Sources List, highlight the unwanted Source,
 select Options and click Delete Master Source.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-03 Thread Joan Kemp
Thanks, Mike.  I realise that a master source isn't a template - I'd
just like to create a template so that I can be consistent  save time
filling in details. I've actually now filled in all my birth
certificates - generically as a master source called 'Birth Certificate'
under Event 'Birth', but specifically for each individual.

Now getting onto marriages and I would like to be able to create an
Event called 'Marriage' - just as there are Events under 'Assigned
Sources' called 'Birth' and 'Unspecified'
I've looked at the help file on sources but couldn't find what I
needed.  The whole Legacy sourcing 'thing'  seems rather too complicated
for its own good!

Thanks again,

Joan

On 03/08/2011 23:51, Mike Fry wrote:
 On 2011/08/03 23:38, Joan Kemp wrote:

 I have set up a new master source as a template for the information 
 contained on
 a standard birth certificate.
 I have called it 'Birth certificate template' but it would be nice if it 
 weren't
 listed as 'Unspecified'
 Your first misunderstanding is about what a Master Source is - it's not a 
 template!

 Depending on how you view sources it's basically a document or the source of
 multiple similar documents i.e. either a specific Birth Certificate or Birth
 Certificates in general, or Birth Certificates issued by place A etc etc etc

 Since you wanted to set up a template, I presume you set up a Basic Source, as
 opposed to a SourceWriter source for which you are restricted to the supplied
 templates. Even a Basic Source for a Birth Certificate is not a template as
 such. See the Help file for lots of information on Sourcing.

 Of course, you can set up your Birth Certificate Template as you did, but in
 that case you NEVER use it as a Master Source. When you want to set up a new
 Birth Certificate source, you should copy your Template and save it as a
 separate Master Source which you subsequently use for your citation(s).




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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-03 Thread Connie Sheets
Joan,

You can't create a template for your sources, per se.  What you have to do is 
create a Master Source (such as the name of a book, or the state/country that 
issued the birth certificate) and then add Source Details (such as the page 
number of the book, or the birth certificate number).  Most genealogy programs 
work this way, although they may use slightly different terminology.

Legacy already supplies the templates for various kinds of sources including 
marriage records and birth certificates, or you can use the Basic Source system 
(which is a generic template for your sources).

Once you've created a Master Source, you can use the Source Clipboard to paste 
the source into multiple events (although you may need to change the source 
detail depending upon how you've set up the Master Source).

Connie


--- On Wed, 8/3/11, Joan Kemp jk...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Many thanks for this, but two
 points;

 How do I create a template?  The only way I seem to be
 able to do this
 is to name a master source then copy  paste the
 template details from a
 saved Notepad file.  This is pretty clumsy!

 1. New master source:  Birth certificate
 2. Copy from Notepad:

 Date of Birth:
 Place of Birth:
 Name:
 Father:
 Mother:
 Father's Occupation:
 Signature:
 Reg Date:

 3. Fill in details manually.

 I want to be able to combine 1.  2. above

 I also want to similarly create a new master source called
 'Marriage
 certificate' - and change the name from 'unspecified' to
 'Marriage'

 Thanks

 Joan





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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-03 Thread Ron Ferguson
Joan,

You really  should do as Mike suggested and study the Help Files properly.
Events and sources are not the same thing. An event is either a Fact eg.
where somebody lived, or something which happened. A source contains the
details as to from where you got the information eg. a census. A Master
Source contains details which are common to a number of sources eg. the name
and reference number for a census in a specific, State, County or whatever,
and the Detail Source the specific details of the Source relating to the
individual to which the Event pertains.

If you go to the Legacy Home Tab in Legacy (next to the Family Tab) at the
bottom right is a box with links to videos and tips from the experts
contained on the Legacy website. I suggest that you have a look at these
before jumping in with both feet and then having to start everything from
scratch.

When you have looked at these please feel free to come back if there are
things which you still don't understand.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


-Original Message-
From: Joan Kemp
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:01 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

Thanks, Mike.  I realise that a master source isn't a template - I'd
just like to create a template so that I can be consistent  save time
filling in details. I've actually now filled in all my birth
certificates - generically as a master source called 'Birth Certificate'
under Event 'Birth', but specifically for each individual.

Now getting onto marriages and I would like to be able to create an
Event called 'Marriage' - just as there are Events under 'Assigned
Sources' called 'Birth' and 'Unspecified'
I've looked at the help file on sources but couldn't find what I
needed.  The whole Legacy sourcing 'thing'  seems rather too complicated
for its own good!

Thanks again,

Joan

On 03/08/2011 23:51, Mike Fry wrote:
 On 2011/08/03 23:38, Joan Kemp wrote:

 I have set up a new master source as a template for the information
 contained on
 a standard birth certificate.
 I have called it 'Birth certificate template' but it would be nice if it
 weren't
 listed as 'Unspecified'
 Your first misunderstanding is about what a Master Source is - it's not a
 template!

 Depending on how you view sources it's basically a document or the source
 of
 multiple similar documents i.e. either a specific Birth Certificate or
 Birth
 Certificates in general, or Birth Certificates issued by place A etc etc
 etc

 Since you wanted to set up a template, I presume you set up a Basic
 Source, as
 opposed to a SourceWriter source for which you are restricted to the
 supplied
 templates. Even a Basic Source for a Birth Certificate is not a template
 as
 such. See the Help file for lots of information on Sourcing.

 Of course, you can set up your Birth Certificate Template as you did, but
 in
 that case you NEVER use it as a Master Source. When you want to set up a
 new
 Birth Certificate source, you should copy your Template and save it as a
 separate Master Source which you subsequently use for your citation(s).




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

2011-08-03 Thread my genealogy email
How about changing the subject line now that it is a different subject!

-Original Message-
From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:19 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

Dennis,
I would bet that the FamilySearch volunteer indexers can get the 1940
indexed in 24 hours :)   They have put other record collections out there
and then announced it was important to get it done fast and if you didn't
get logged in quick enough, all the batches were already taken!

michele


-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:32:30 -0600, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com
wrote:

They appear to be heading toward a fee based system with all their limited
access restrictions.

I don't know if this is true, but I for one wouldn't mind paying a small
fee for the convenience of accessing the digitized records from the
convenience of my home. I used to pay $5 plus per FHL film and had to
drive 12 miles each way to be able to view films once a week for only 2
hours with no ability to make a copy (except if I used my own digital
camera).

I used to pay for Ancestry.com too, but have recently dropped my
subscription because I am finding enough info available for free on the
web to keep me busy. I will probably re-up my subscription to
Ancestry.com late 2012 once the 1940 U.S. Census starts to get indexed
sometime next year. (Maybe I need to get to work on a modification to
the Advanced Tag Living LTool to only tag individuals who appear to be
heads of households.)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-03 Thread Jerry
Hi Joan.  Others have already mentioned about the difference between the
source record and the source detail, but I'll say it a different way.
The source record is a master record that will be exactly the same for
every person for whom it is used, whereas the source detail is the
specific detail about page numbers or what-have-you that could be
different for every person.   You might already be aware of that, but it
took me a while, when I first started working with Legacy, to comprehend
the big distinction.

The other thing I'm curious about, though, is why you would want to
place a bunch of details in any master source that contain separate
items for date of birth, place of birth, name, father, mother, etc. all
lumped into the one master source, if I understood you correctly.   My
opinion is that duplicate information that is already a part of the
record need not be repeated - for example, why repeat a person's name in
the source detail unless it is a different name, in which case you would
place that event as an Also Known As (Alias) name and indicate the
source for that different name.   Obviously, you must have a reason for
doing what you are doing, but if you lump all that information under one
master source, then really and truly, it does belong under the
unspecified category.

Just my thoughts,
Jerry Boor / http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org/

On 8/3/2011 6:37 PM, Joan Kemp wrote:
 Many thanks for this, but two points;

 How do I create a template?  The only way I seem to be able to do this
 is to name a master source then copy  paste the template details from a
 saved Notepad file.  This is pretty clumsy!

 1. New master source:  Birth certificate
 2. Copy from Notepad:

 Date of Birth:
 Place of Birth:
 Name:
 Father:
 Mother:
 Father's Occupation:
 Signature:
 Reg Date:

 3. Fill in details manually.

 I want to be able to combine 1.  2. above

 I also want to similarly create a new master source called 'Marriage
 certificate' - and change the name from 'unspecified' to 'Marriage'

 Thanks

 Joan



 On 03/08/2011 23:15, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 03/08/2011 22:38, Joan Kemp wrote:
 How can you change the name of a source from 'Unspecified'?

 I have set up a new master source as a template for the information
 contained on a standard birth certificate.
 I have called it 'Birth certificate template' but it would be nice if it
 weren't listed as 'Unspecified'
 Unspecified is not the name of a Source.  It is the name of a field that
 you can enter a Source in if you so wish.  If you have a Source in the
 Unspecified field on someone's record you can simply delete it.  On the
 person's Assigned Sources screen, click on the Unspecified field to
 select it and click Remove.
 And how do you remove sources you'll never need, such as LDSB (whatever
 that might be)? - you can always re-create then if eventually needed.
 Either you have created this Source, or you imported it with data from
 someone else.   Provided no person has that Source attached to them you
 can simply delete it from the Source list.  (If it is attached to anyone
 you will need to Remove it from their Assigned Sources first.)  To
 delete it, open the Master Sources List, highlight the unwanted Source,
 select Options and click Delete Master Source.




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