RE: [LegacyUG] England Places

[Jerry]

Thanks for that.  I agree with your point about abbreviations.  I always use 
the full name of states, provinces, etc.  The name that was escaping you is 
Washington.  Jerry

Peter HOLMES  wrote:

>Jerry,
>
>There are currently a few exceptions to that though!
>
>There is at least one in England that is often reasonably correctly referred
>to as County Durham. Some Irish counties are often prefixed by the word
>County as well.
>
>Not all counties have the suffix "shire" as part of their name (such as
>Norfolk, Suffolk, Kent, Sussex).
>
>However, in 18th century & earlier England some counties (eg; Lincolnshire)
>were known by the prefix only even in official records such as the census.
>
>In 1974 a lot of long established counties underwent a name change to
>reflect administrative areas. I can't explain it well to you as I migrated
>in 1971 from England to Western Australia (WA), but it is probably
>searchable through Google!
>
>Correctly stating county, province and state names is very important to
>people outside the state etc., of the writer & to minimise confusion
>abbreviations should - in my opinion - NOT be used in communications that go
>outside the writer's national boundaries. For example, what does RI mean at
>the end of Ron B's message? Could be very confusing to someone in say India
>that is not aware of US postal authorities abbreviations. Likewise, I make
>sure in all of my genealogical emails I will not refer to Western Australia
>as << WA >> for fear that someone thinks I'm referring to the state in USA
>whose name escapes me at the moment.
>
>There are other places in the world of email other than USA.
>
>Peter Holmes
>Western Australia.  Skype ; p.g.holmes
>[HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then
>Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)].
>[CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER
>(Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S
>Rauceby, Surfleet, Gosberton Clough etc., Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada
>& some in New York & Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless
>stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch).
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012 7:13 AM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] England Places
>
>Sorry Ron, but I thought it was pretty subtle and I like the contrast.
>But I just un-checked the box to compose in html.  Did it still come
>across with the colored background?  And thanks - the other Ron - for
>that answer - so looks like I should just use Yorkshire, not Yorkshire
>County, if I understood you correctly.
>
>Jerry
>
>On 01/20/2012 05:52 PM, Ron Bernier wrote:
>> Jerry,
>>
>> With all due respect, I know that the list administrator made the
>> decision to allow HTML on the Legacy list ( a decision that I for one
>> feel was one of the worst decisions ever made on this list), but is
>> really necessary to send messages with a colored background?  This is
>> extremely distracting when trying to read email.
>>
>>
>> Ron Bernier
>> Woonsocket, RI
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] England Places

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

It is not annoying to me. When I see color I delete at once.Rich in LA CA
--- On Fri, 1/20/12, Ron Bernier  wrote:

From: Ron Bernier 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] England Places
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 2:52 PM

Jerry,

With all due respect, I know that the list administrator made the
decision to allow HTML on the Legacy list ( a decision that I for one
feel was one of the worst decisions ever made on this list), but is
really necessary to send messages with a colored background?  This is
extremely distracting when trying to read email.


Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI



On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Jerry  wrote:
> Ron, if you are still up - what is it about 5 or 6 hours difference there
> between the U.S. Eastern time zone - anyway, I thought you could answer a
> question for me.
>
> Are Yorkshire and Devonshire considered counties in England?  And, if so, do
> you put the term county along with their names or just leave it at
> Devonshire or Yorkshire if that is all you have?
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Timelines available

[Mark Lang]

Jane,



I tried to start a repository on my website exactly for this very reason. See 
http://www.easygensolutions.com/timeline/index.html

If you have a timeline that you would like to share, please get involved.



Kind Regards

Mark Lang

(Beta tester/Author)

www.easygensolutions.com



From: Jane Sarles [mailto:sarlesinsi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 23 January 2012 4:27 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Timelines available



It appears that one may add timelines to what is available with Legacy.  Can 
someone tell me where to find timelines to add?  and how to do so?

Jane Sarles



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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

[Roxanne]

What about creating an event called Surname Pronunciation? Pertinent facts such 
as the language of origin or the meaning of the name can be included in the 
note section.

Roxanne Wolfe



 From: Bernhard Scholz 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

Mike,

we have over 150 nations.
Over 200 dialects and you living in a nation having over 20 dialects like in
eg. your nation is suggestion to use a dictionory like Webster or Chambers look
for a pronouniation of a foreign name.

Don't think you'll ever find all words there spoken in eg. all Afriaakns,
French, Russian dialects.

Bernhard

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Website Creation - Font Setting

[Wm Voss]

Ifg you are building pedigree pages, spend the meager money and get a
copy of LTools (http://zippersoftware.com). Its HTML Tidy will build
your css (which you can customize0 and fix a number of the other
problems in Legacy's web production. Worth twice the cost at least.

Wm Voss

> *From:*Keith Jacobs [mailto:keithjac...@blueyonder.co.uk]
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:05 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Legacy Website Creation - Font Setting
>
> Hi All
>
> I’m in the early stages of using the website creation facility in
> Legacy and would like to set the font to something other than Times
> New Roman.
>
> I can obviously do it by editing the HTML but with 1470 pages that
> would take sometime so I’m hoping there is some other way to do this.
>
> I can’t find an option to set the font in the Web Creation options
> so is there a file that contains the font settings that can be edited,
> or is there some other way to change the font?
>
> Regards
>
> Keith Jacobs
>
> GOONs Member 3453
>
> Researching the Baggarley name worldwide
>
> see http://www.baggarley.one.name
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Website Creation - Font Setting

[Ron Ferguson]

Keith,

You do not say what type of web pages you wish to create, although since you 
have a one-name study I would suspect that it is either Individual or Family. 
However, the principle is pretty much the same for all. If using CSS then 
either all the CSS or the Link will have to be included in the appropriate page 
on every web page.

For Pedigree pages the easiest way is to use LTools Delux ($10) HTML option, 
for the others there is software available to help. This list is not 
appropriate for discussions on coding but WUL will be able to help at 
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/WUL/ LTools can be found at 
http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/what-is-ltools/

Ron Ferguson
http//www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


From: Keith Jacobs
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:05 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Website Creation - Font Setting

Hi All



I’m in the early stages of using the website creation facility in Legacy and 
would like to set the font to something other than Times New Roman.



I can obviously do it by editing the HTML but with 1470 pages that would take 
sometime so I’m hoping there is some other way to do this.



I can’t find an option to set the font in the Web Creation options so is there 
a file that contains the font settings that can be edited, or is there some 
other way to change the font?



Regards

Keith Jacobs

GOONs Member 3453

Researching the Baggarley name worldwide

see http://www.baggarley.one.name




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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

[Jenny M Benson]

On 22/01/2012 22:53, Bernhard Scholz wrote:
> Robert,
> your example of
> Car - kneel
> is great.
> A while ago I was asked how to pronounce a name of German descandats.
> it was Guckel. I said they should pronounce the "u" like a "oo" as in book.
> This is only an example for this name.
> Most eg. european countries have many dialect speaking the same name but
> sounding differently due to the dialect spoken at that time in that area.

But if you are writing down the pronunciation instruction you really
need to use a recognized phonetic system.  Your example, "oo as in book"
would have been pronounced differently by an aunt of mine to the way I
say it.  She would have said it with the oo sound as in stool, with the
lips pushed forward, whereas I say it with a much shorter oo sound with
less lip movement.

--
Jenny M Benson


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RE: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

[Charles Apple]

Richard,

Names evolve considerably over generations, depending on dialects, countries of 
origin, countries of destination, languages used, and many other factors. I 
don't believe there is one easy answer, although, there may be many opinion's 
on why it should be done a particular way. Personally, I prefer a method 
similar to transcription i.e. "record information as found in the records." In 
other words, how did the people who had those surnames pronounce them at that 
time in history, and what is the particular country and language of origin in 
which they spoke. The two examples that you cite "Noel" and "Barron" 
linguistically and etymologically originated in the Old French language, and 
being familiar with French both surnames have a definite "Nasal" quality or 
tone to them. However, having said that, both surnames could possibly be traced 
back prior to the Norman conquest of 1066, and on into Latin variants.

For example, my surname is "Apple" and the surname originated in Germany. Even 
between dialects in Germany, I have found approximately 40 different variant 
spellings and pronunciations among the German people. When my ancestors came to 
the United Sates, their surname was recorded "Phonetically" so again, in the 
English language there are approximately 35 variant spellings and 
pronunciations. I don't believe there is one single best answer to your 
question, nor do I believe there is a dictionary or lexicon that can provide an 
adequate answer. Perhaps, in a particular time, place, language, and country, 
however, beyond that the surname evolves into different spellings and 
pronunciations.

As previously stated, I prefer to record the name as it was spelled and 
pronounced at the time, language, and country in which it was used.

Charles



From: Richard Van Wasshnova [mailto:rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:50 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

Any suggestion on how to record proper pronunciation of a surname?
My mother was always correcting us on her grandmother's surname of NOEL must be 
pronounced Newel not like Christmas. Also her aunt and cousins BARRON must be 
pronounced nasally, sort of like Bahra. (They sometimes appeared in census as 
BARROW)
I considered AKA but tend to prefer a name source. I don't know how to create a 
source for oral preaching.
Any suggestions please?

--
Richard Van Wasshnova



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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Website Creation - Font Setting

[Carl Cox]

In my web site the CSS page does that very well. I made my own, so don't
know how Legacy does it.

Ron Ferguson hosts a web learning site and can answer all your
questions.  Ron Ferguson [ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]

Carl


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RE: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

[Bernhard Scholz]

Robert,

your example of

Car - kneel

is great.


A while ago I was asked how to pronounce a name of German descandats.

it was Guckel. I said they should pronounce the "u" like a "oo" as in book.

This is only an example for this name.

Most eg. european countries have many dialect speaking the same name but
sounding differently due to the dialect spoken at that time in that area.

Bernhard



  _

From: Robert E. Carneal [mailto:kentuckygenealog...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation


I try to break up the names into the the nearest syllables.   Often, my name is
pronounced as "corn cal" for some reason. I tell people to pronounce it as if
they were saying to independent words together. I suggest they pronounce it as:
Car  (as in automobile)  and the word "kneel."

Car - kneel, and they have it!

Would this approach work for you?  Or were you interested in recording sound
into Legacy?

Thank you.

Robert
Genealogy without documentation is mythology! Always SOURCE your work.




On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova
 wrote:


Any suggestion on how to record proper pronunciation of a surname?
My mother was always correcting us on her grandmother's surname of NOEL must be
pronounced Newel not like Christmas. Also her aunt and cousins BARRON must be
pronounced nasally, sort of like Bahra. (They sometimes appeared in census as
BARROW)
I considered AKA but tend to prefer a name source. I don't know how to create a
source for oral preaching.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

[Bernhard Scholz]

Richard,

I think you started a topic which is very difficult and no one on this list is
capable to solve this whithout hearing how it is spoken.

The way names a pronounced is very different depending on the language spoken.
Having families in an boarder area does not make it easier.

In English they write SCHOOL
And they speak it SKOOL.

Recording names from other languages is vey difficult. The AKA is a very good
possibiliy.

The best is have a voice record of the person while saying the name.

But who has this. The least of us.

Looking at your descendant surnames they could be of German origin.
People living near the boarder of Belgium, Luxemburg, Netherlands.

That is only an idea.


Bernhard









From: Richard Van Wasshnova [mailto:rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation


Any suggestion on how to record proper pronunciation of a surname?
My mother was always correcting us on her grandmother's surname of NOEL must be
pronounced Newel not like Christmas. Also her aunt and cousins BARRON must be
pronounced nasally, sort of like Bahra. (They sometimes appeared in census as
BARROW)
I considered AKA but tend to prefer a name source. I don't know how to create a
source for oral preaching.
Any suggestions please?


--
Richard Van Wasshnova




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RE: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

[Bernhard Scholz]

Mike,

we have over 150 nations.
Over 200 dialects and you living in a nation having over 20 dialects like in
eg. your nation is suggestion to use a dictionory like Webster or Chambers look
for a pronouniation of a foreign name.

Don't think you'll ever find all words there spoken in eg. all Afriaakns,
French, Russian dialects.

Bernhard





-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:18 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

On 2012/01/22 22:50, Richard Van Wasshnova wrote:

> Any suggestion on how to record proper pronunciation of a surname?
> My mother was always correcting us on her grandmother's surname of
> NOEL must be pronounced Newel not like Christmas. Also her aunt and
> cousins BARRON must be pronounced nasally, sort of like Bahra. (They
> sometimes appeared in census as
> BARROW)
> I considered AKA but tend to prefer a name source. I don't know how to
> create a source for oral preaching.
> Any suggestions please?

Have you looked at a good dictionary? They very often have pronunciation guides
in the waffel at the front. Only problem is they use very specific phonetic type
fonts. You may get some clues from the likes of Websters(?) or my personal
favourite since I'm English, Chambers.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

[Robert E. Carneal]

*I try to break up the names into the the nearest syllables. Often, my name
is pronounced as "corn cal" for some reason. I tell people to pronounce it
as if they were saying to independent words together. I suggest they
pronounce it as:
Car  (as in automobile)  and the word "kneel."

Car - kneel, and they have it!

Would this approach work for you?  Or were you interested in recording
sound into Legacy?

**Thank you.

**Robert*
*Genealogy without documentation is mythology! Always SOURCE your work.*

*
*
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova <
rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Any suggestion on how to record proper pronunciation of a surname?
> My mother was always correcting us on her grandmother's surname of NOEL
> must be pronounced Newel not like Christmas. Also her aunt and cousins
> BARRON must be pronounced nasally, sort of like Bahra. (They sometimes
> appeared in census as BARROW)
> I considered AKA but tend to prefer a name source. I don't know how to
> create a source for oral preaching.
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/01/22 22:50, Richard Van Wasshnova wrote:

> Any suggestion on how to record proper pronunciation of a surname?
> My mother was always correcting us on her grandmother's surname of NOEL must
> be pronounced Newel not like Christmas. Also her aunt and cousins BARRON must
> be pronounced nasally, sort of like Bahra. (They sometimes appeared in census 
> as
> BARROW)
> I considered AKA but tend to prefer a name source. I don't know how to create 
> a
> source for oral preaching.
> Any suggestions please?

Have you looked at a good dictionary? They very often have pronunciation guides
in the waffel at the front. Only problem is they use very specific phonetic type
fonts. You may get some clues from the likes of Websters(?) or my personal
favourite since I'm English, Chambers.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

[cranberryfrog]

Personal knowledge?  Interview with your mother?

Michele

From: Richard Van Wasshnova
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:50 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

Any suggestion on how to record proper pronunciation of a surname?
My mother was always correcting us on her grandmother's surname of NOEL must be 
pronounced Newel not like Christmas. Also her aunt and cousins BARRON must be 
pronounced nasally, sort of like Bahra. (They sometimes appeared in census as 
BARROW)
I considered AKA but tend to prefer a name source. I don't know how to create a 
source for oral preaching.
Any suggestions please?


--
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[LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

[Richard Van Wasshnova]

Any suggestion on how to record proper pronunciation of a surname?
My mother was always correcting us on her grandmother's surname of NOEL
must be pronounced Newel not like Christmas. Also her aunt and cousins
BARRON must be pronounced nasally, sort of like Bahra. (They sometimes
appeared in census as BARROW)
I considered AKA but tend to prefer a name source. I don't know how to
create a source for oral preaching.
Any suggestions please?

--
Richard Van Wasshnova


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Re: [LegacyUG] Timelines available

[Bert van Kootwijk]

>From the help one of the many items about Timelines:

Creating Timeline Files





Legacy comes with several timelines that can be included in your Timeline
and Chronology reports.  You can also create your own timelines to use in
these reports and to share with other people.



And remember, these timeline should be about fairly well known events in
history.  Events that would have had an impact on many of the people in the
area.  These are the types of background and historical information that
people will want to include in their own personal timelines and

chronologies.



To create a new timeline file:



1. From the View menu, choose Timeline Files.  The Timeline Files screen
appears.  (See Timeline Files for more information about this screen.)

2. Click the New button.  The Create New Timeline File screen appears.

3. Enter a description of the timeline.  This is the description that will
appear in the Timeline File List when users are selecting which timeline to
use.

4. Click Save.  The New Timeline Name screen appears.  (See Timeline
Description for more information.)

5. Enter a file name for the timeline file and click OK.  You are returned
to the Timeline Files screen with your new timeline added to the list.

6. With the new timeline highlighted, click Edit.  This brings up the
Timeline Editor screen.  (See Timeline Editor for more information about the
options on this screen.)

7. To add an event to the timeline, click the Add button.  This brings up
the Edit Timeline Entry screen.   (See Edit Timeline Entry for more
information.)

8. Enter the event range.  There should be a starting and ending date.  If
an event was just a one-time occurrence, enter the same date into both
fields.

9. Enter a Short Description.  This is what shows on most reports.  Make
sure this description makes sense to the user when he/she sees it all by
itself.  For example, if you are making a timeline for the kings of Denmark,
don't just put a name in the Short Description.  The user won't know what it
means.  Put something like: Gorm the Old became the first king of Denmark.
Or, Gorm the Old, 1st King of Denmark.

10. Enter a Long Description if you have one.  For example: Gorm the Old,
born about 840 becomes the 1st King of Denmark.  His father was Hardecanute
Sigurdsen.  He married Thyri Klacksdottir.

11. Enter the Source of the information, if you know it.

12. When you are done, click Save.  This returns you to the Timeline Editor
screen.

13. Repeat steps 7 through 12 for each new entry into the timeline.

14. When you have finished adding new events, click OK to return to the
Timeline Files.



The timeline files are saved in the TimeLines folder under the Legacy
folder.  You are encouraged to send your timelines to Millennia so that we
can post them on our web site for others to use.







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Subject: [LegacyUG] Timelines available


It appears that one may add timelines to what is available with Legacy.
Can someone tell me where to find timelines to add?  and how to do so?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Timelines available

[Tim Rosenlof]

On 1/22/2012 10:56 AM, Jane Sarles wrote:
> It appears that one may add timelines to what is available with Legacy.
> Can someone tell me where to find timelines to add?  and how to do so?
>
> Jane Sarles
>

View > Timelines
There are the default ones. Use the help file on adding your own.

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Re: [LegacyUG] [OT] How To Use The Help Viewer

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/01/22 11:50, Mike Fry wrote:

> The link to the file, should you want to download it and take a look, is
>
> 

Don't bother. Google has screwed the file contents. Contact me if still 
interested.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Timelines available

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/01/22 19:56, Jane Sarles wrote:

> It appears that one may add timelines to what is available with Legacy.  Can
> someone tell me where to find timelines to add?  and how to do so?

In the Timelines folder inside the Legacy folder, you'll find those that are
installed with the program, organised by language. As you'll discover, they're
just plain text files, one record per entry in the timeline together with a
specific header record. Look at one with Notepad and you'll soon get the idea.

As to using info from somewhere else...? That's up to you. The file format is
largely a devising for Legacy, I think. So you probably won't be able to mix and
match.

The Help file has several topics relating to timelines. Simply type Timeline in
the keyword box of the Index pane, and work your way through what it lists.

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[LegacyUG] Timelines available

[Jane Sarles]

It appears that one may add timelines to what is available with Legacy.
Can someone tell me where to find timelines to add?  and how to do so?

Jane Sarles


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Re: [LegacyUG] Checking for file DIFFERENCES

[Tim Rosenlof]

On 1/21/2012 6:38 PM, laurie curtis wrote:
> Using GEDCOM is an interesting approach. Thanks for the suggestion.  I
> have some files I can try it on.  Someone also referenced Intelimerge,
> but I'm not sure what that is... Part of legacy?

http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/tipsIntShare.asp

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Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function

[Tim Rosenlof]

On 1/22/2012 2:16 AM, Mike Fry wrote:
>
> The Contents panel is, for some reason that escapes me, not used in Legacy. 
> This
> should present a list of the topics in the file, in the form of a Table of
> Contents found in a book. This should definitely be introduced and replace the
> pitiful Legacy Help Contents topic that comes up as default topic when the 
> file
> is first opened.
>
> The Index Panel is derived from those words in the file that the author thinks
> merit the ability to be found. Not all words get into the index. The author 
> has
> some control over what goes into the index. continuing the analogy, this is to
> be thought of like the index normally found at the back of a book.
>
> The content of the Favourites panel is derived from you own input. Here you 
> can
> create a list of those topics that you use most often.

I really like what Dennis has for his help file. It is a online wiki. It
would look nice on the Online Legacy help pages:

http://ltoolshelp.zippersoftware.com/index.php#2-en

For the original authors website, and by the way it is open source

http://richardbondi.net/

Demo:

http://wikiwebhelp.org/#2-en

Tim Rosenlof


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Re: [LegacyUG] Correct file path for media

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/01/22 17:50, Tim Rosenlof wrote:

> If one was to rename Legacy7Setup.exe to LegacyNew.exe you can direct the
> install where you wish. I always install my Legacy to:
>
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Legacy7Beta
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Legacy7GR
>
> Further updates will find those locations just fine. If Legacy gives you the
> option, then why does Legacy continue to force you to install it to C:\ ?

Because Support prefers it that way? :-)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Correct file path for media

[Tim Rosenlof]

If one was to rename Legacy7Setup.exe to LegacyNew.exe you can direct
the install where you wish. I always install my Legacy to:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Legacy7Beta
C:\Program Files (x86)\Legacy7GR

Further updates will find those locations just fine. If Legacy gives you
the option, then why does Legacy continue to force you to install it to
C:\ ?

Tim Rosenlof
Beta Tester


On 1/21/2012 5:15 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote:
> First, let me clarify my previous post.  I install Legacy into the
> C:\Legacy folder and that's the last time I touch that folder.  All data
> related to my family history research is in D:\Genealogy sub-folders.
>
> Having said that, I'm baffled (and always have been) as to why the
> original designers of Legacy chose to completely ignore the standard
> which says that executable code goes in one of the Program Files
> folders, Application data goes into the AppData folders and user data
> goes wherever the user wants to put it.
>
> I have well over 100 installed programs on my machine and every one of
> them follows that convention, including LTools and Gensmarts.  Except
> Legacy.
>
> Only Legacy ignores this and only Legacy has issues with where data are
> stored.
>
> Please fix this in version 8.
>
> Tony
>
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Location master list

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/01/22 16:46, Ron Taylor wrote:

> It would be great if "wild card" searches were enabled in all the search boxes
> within Legacy so that you could enter a text string "*Calif*" and see a 
> sub-set
> of the table that contains all entries with that wild card string.  The
> "Detailed Search" mentioned above can do some wild card searching and
> instruction for it is in the help file under "wildcard".

Agreed. But the search as currently configured, relies on the fact there there
is some form of structure applied to the data. As I say, it shouldn't be termed
a "Find" but a "Filter".

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Re: [LegacyUG] Location master list

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/01/22 16:46, Ron Taylor wrote:

> The location fields throughout Legacy allow free-form text...meaning you can 
> put
> whatever you wish in them.  Some formatting is recommended but as you may have
> noticed, they are used in many different ways.  Others have described ways to
> search inside the Master Locations List based on the sort order, etc.  The
> "Find:" field does not allow for wild card searches in the current version of
> Legacy so the results you get as you enter text into that field is what is 
> found
> based on the sort order.

The "Find:" field is actually mislabelled in my view. Changing it to "Filter:"
would make more sense.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Location master list

[Ron Taylor]

The location fields throughout Legacy allow free-form text...meaning you can 
put whatever you wish in them.  Some formatting is recommended but as you may 
have noticed, they are used in many different ways.  Others have described ways 
to search inside the Master Locations List based on the sort order, etc.  The 
"Find:" field does not allow for wild card searches in the current version of 
Legacy so the results you get as you enter text into that field is what is 
found based on the sort order.

Another way to search for a piece of a location field, is to use the tool-bar 
"Search" and then "Detailed Search" and in the "Where to look" field select a 
field name like "Birth Place".  Then in "How to look" select "Contains" and 
then in "What to look for" enter the search string.  Click on "Clear List 
before this search" and then click "Create List".  Repeat this process for each 
field as needed.  Some wild card search capabilities are possible as outlined 
in the help file.

Another method outside of Legacy is the "Global Text Search" that is in Ltools 
where you can search all tables and all fields for a text string.

It would be great if "wild card" searches were enabled in all the search boxes 
within Legacy so that you could enter a text string "*Calif*" and see a sub-set 
of the table that contains all entries with that wild card string.  The 
"Detailed Search" mentioned above can do some wild card searching and 
instruction for it is in the help file under "wildcard".

Ron Taylor




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RE: [LegacyUG] England Places

[Peter HOLMES]

Jerry,

There are currently a few exceptions to that though!

There is at least one in England that is often reasonably correctly referred
to as County Durham. Some Irish counties are often prefixed by the word
County as well.

Not all counties have the suffix "shire" as part of their name (such as
Norfolk, Suffolk, Kent, Sussex).

However, in 18th century & earlier England some counties (eg; Lincolnshire)
were known by the prefix only even in official records such as the census.

In 1974 a lot of long established counties underwent a name change to
reflect administrative areas. I can't explain it well to you as I migrated
in 1971 from England to Western Australia (WA), but it is probably
searchable through Google!

Correctly stating county, province and state names is very important to
people outside the state etc., of the writer & to minimise confusion
abbreviations should - in my opinion - NOT be used in communications that go
outside the writer's national boundaries. For example, what does RI mean at
the end of Ron B's message? Could be very confusing to someone in say India
that is not aware of US postal authorities abbreviations. Likewise, I make
sure in all of my genealogical emails I will not refer to Western Australia
as << WA >> for fear that someone thinks I'm referring to the state in USA
whose name escapes me at the moment.

There are other places in the world of email other than USA.

Peter Holmes
Western Australia.  Skype ; p.g.holmes
[HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then
Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)].
[CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER
(Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S
Rauceby, Surfleet, Gosberton Clough etc., Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada
& some in New York & Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless
stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch).

-Original Message-
From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012 7:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] England Places

Sorry Ron, but I thought it was pretty subtle and I like the contrast.
But I just un-checked the box to compose in html.  Did it still come
across with the colored background?  And thanks - the other Ron - for
that answer - so looks like I should just use Yorkshire, not Yorkshire
County, if I understood you correctly.

Jerry

On 01/20/2012 05:52 PM, Ron Bernier wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> With all due respect, I know that the list administrator made the
> decision to allow HTML on the Legacy list ( a decision that I for one
> feel was one of the worst decisions ever made on this list), but is
> really necessary to send messages with a colored background?  This is
> extremely distracting when trying to read email.
>
>
> Ron Bernier
> Woonsocket, RI
>
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Location master list

[Ron Ferguson]

Carol,

As far as I know the only way to search for a location using the search box at 
the top of the screen is to search from left to right using the layout select. 
I have my list sorted to read from right to left – so I would enter, England, 
Lancashire, Eccles, Victoria Street to find Victoria Street.

Why Legacy doesn’t enable one to search on any word I cannot imagine, it is a 
very easy change to make and I would suggest that you enter it as an 
enhancement (see under the Legacy tab – ‘suggest a new feature’)

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: cr brassfield
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:23 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Location master list

Hi, firstly thanks to everyone who responded with my earlier problems. 
Hopefully the install/saving data etc is now resolved.


This morning I was searching some on-line records when I saw a street address 
(Victorian London's east end) that looked familiar and so I went to Location 
Master List and entered the street name. It came up empty but I was sure that I 
had it in my file so I scrolled down the list. It was there. I had only entered 
the street, not the house number as I wasn't looking for a particular house. 
The list showed the full address. Am I entering the information incorrrectly 
under 'addresses', or should just putting in the street name have shown a 
result?


Carol


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[LegacyUG] Location master list

[cr brassfield]

Hi, firstly thanks to everyone who responded with my earlier problems. 
Hopefully the install/saving data etc is now resolved.
This morning I was searching some on-line records when I saw a street address 
(Victorian London's east end) that looked familiar and so I went to Location 
Master List and entered the street name. It came up empty but I was sure that I 
had it in my file so I scrolled down the list. It was there. I had only entered 
the street, not the house number as I wasn't looking for a particular house. 
The list showed the full address. Am I entering the information incorrrectly 
under 'addresses', or should just putting in the street name have shown a 
result?

Carol


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RE: [LegacyUG] Correct file path for media

[John Clifford]

Tony

I agree.

I ignore the Legacy instructions and install in Program Files.  I have used
Legacy for 8 years with copies of my data on TNG, a netbook and various PDAs
and smartphones and never had problems with where data is stored.

John Clifford


-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
Sent: 22 January 2012 00:16
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Correct file path for media

First, let me clarify my previous post.  I install Legacy into the C:\Legacy
folder and that's the last time I touch that folder.  All data related to my
family history research is in D:\Genealogy sub-folders.

Having said that, I'm baffled (and always have been) as to why the original
designers of Legacy chose to completely ignore the standard which says that
executable code goes in one of the Program Files folders, Application data
goes into the AppData folders and user data goes wherever the user wants to
put it.

I have well over 100 installed programs on my machine and every one of them
follows that convention, including LTools and Gensmarts.  Except Legacy.

Only Legacy ignores this and only Legacy has issues with where data are
stored.

Please fix this in version 8.

Tony


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[LegacyUG] [OT] How To Use The Help Viewer

[Mike Fry]

Hi People,

For those that are interested and are desirous of knowledge, I have uploaded a
small HTML Help File to Google. The file is named ViewHelp.CHM and is quite
small (about 57kb). It was originally sourced from Microsoft and largely
untouched by me. It describes how use that infernal Help Viewer that the Legacy
Help file is displayed in.

Of particular interest should be the extensive information on using the Search 
tab.

The link to the file, should you want to download it and take a look, is



--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/01/22 04:07, Jerry wrote:

> Thanks, I'll try working with it some more.  But I can remember when the
> Windows help files were first developed - you could literally search for
> every instance in which a word of phrase was used.  For example, if
> searching for "error 3260," why would you not be able to bring that up
> similar to a Google search?   It just does not work that way with the
> help files apparently, so the result is you have to read through lots of
> stuff to find what you are looking for and then sometimes you don't find it.

Being a Help File author myself, albeit on a much smaller scale, I think I can
partly answer that. When the Legacy7.chm file is created, the author gets the
option to create various Panel within the view panel: Contents, Index, Search
and Favourites.

The Contents panel is, for some reason that escapes me, not used in Legacy. This
should present a list of the topics in the file, in the form of a Table of
Contents found in a book. This should definitely be introduced and replace the
pitiful Legacy Help Contents topic that comes up as default topic when the file
is first opened.

The Index Panel is derived from those words in the file that the author thinks
merit the ability to be found. Not all words get into the index. The author has
some control over what goes into the index. continuing the analogy, this is to
be thought of like the index normally found at the back of a book.

The content of the Favourites panel is derived from you own input. Here you can
create a list of those topics that you use most often.

And then there's the Search panel, which has been discussed fairly recently. I
have available, a small Help file from Microsoft that is concerned only with how
to use the Search facility. I think I'll put the file onto my website and post
the url here if that's all right with people. If not, a private message to me
might result in a direct mailing of the file. Don't expect an immediate
response, I'd like to send the file to multiple people once or twice, rather
than multiple times to individuals.

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Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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