Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
[[Father of John]] Smith On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
I am a member of the just leave it blank school. I only enter the surname in those cases. Although I work for Millennia those are my personal standards not a recommendation. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 14/02/2012 9:36 AM, Jane Sarles wrote: When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. I have his son's name, but no clue as to his. Is it best to leave it blank, or give him a term such as unknown, father, progenitor, etc.? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
On 2012/02/14 16:36, Jane Sarles wrote: When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. I have his son's name, but no clue as to his. Is it best to leave it blank, or give him a term such as unknown, father, progenitor, etc.? If you know his son's name then you should, all things being equal, know the father's surname. So, create the father without any forenames, just the surname. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
That's what I do. I put the surname in. michele -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:08 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use? On 2012/02/14 16:36, Jane Sarles wrote: When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. I have his son's name, but no clue as to his. Is it best to leave it blank, or give him a term such as unknown, father, progenitor, etc.? If you know his son's name then you should, all things being equal, know the father's surname. So, create the father without any forenames, just the surname. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2112/4809 - Release Date: 02/14/12 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
I always use common nicknames like Sonny, or Butch, or Junior. There are more of these for men than women. For a female I might use Sissy. Certainly these entries might be real nicknames for people in your tree, but I would always enter them in the AKA. When I see them in the Given Name field of my tree then I know that their real names are unknown. bob~MN - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:36:30 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] What name to use? When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. I have his son's name, but no clue as to his. Is it best to leave it blank, or give him a term such as unknown, father, progenitor, etc.? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Webinar Wednesday - 10 Brick Wall Tips for Beginners
well, shoot! I am signed up but now I am going to miss the live one but will watch online as soon as it is available. -- Myrna Jorgensen --- On Mon, 2/13/12, Geoff Rasmussen ge...@legacyusers.com wrote: From: Geoff Rasmussen ge...@legacyusers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Webinar Wednesday - 10 Brick Wall Tips for Beginners To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 3:16 PM Just a reminder that Webinar Wednesday will feature Marian Pierre-Louis' 10 Brick Wall Tips for Beginners. Register at www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/webinars.asp. If you will be attending the live event, arrive at least 15-20 minutes early to ensure your virtual seat, as it is limited to the first 1,000 attendees to join. Hope to see you all there! Geoff RasmussenMillennia corporationge...@legacyfamilytree.comwww.legacyfamilytree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
On 2/14/2012 8:08 AM, Mike Fry wrote: If you know his son's name then you should, all things being equal, know the father's surname. So, create the father without any forenames, just the surname. Adopted ? Tim Rosenlof Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
Jane, I am also of the leave it blank brigade. However, I rarely have a father without knowing his given name. If I have siblings with no known parents, I will usually create a father with their surname and no given name, but then I add to note to say he is an ‘invented’ person. It also occurs when in a census a father is absent, and the mother is recorded as married. More often than not if I do not know the father’s given name then I do not know the mother either, and one cannot assume that the father’s surname will be the same as that of a child. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Jane Sarles Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:36 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] What name to use? When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. I have his son's name, but no clue as to his. Is it best to leave it blank, or give him a term such as unknown, father, progenitor, etc.? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
It would seem to me that this would only serve to confuse people with whom you share your work. How would they know they are made up names? Bobby From: Bob Rowe [mailto:rarthurr...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:14 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use? I always use common nicknames like Sonny, or Butch, or Junior. There are more of these for men than women. For a female I might use Sissy. Certainly these entries might be real nicknames for people in your tree, but I would always enter them in the AKA. When I see them in the Given Name field of my tree then I know that their real names are unknown. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
On 2012/02/14 17:38, Ron Ferguson wrote: I am also of the leave it blank brigade. However, I rarely have a father without knowing his given name. If I have siblings with no known parents, I will usually create a father with their surname and no given name, but then I add to note to say he is an ‘invented’ person. It also occurs when in a census a father is absent, and the mother is recorded as married. Siblings without parents can be entered as such :-) Select the Family tab and have the first child as either the husband or wife. Now, double-click on the father or mother above the child. You'll get blank parents with the child now in the children section at the bottom. You'll now be able to right-click on the child and add a brother or sister. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Printing Master List
Open the Name List using the icon in the main tool bar or go to View Name List Click on the Print button. You can include up to 3 lines of data for each person. If you have difficulty or questions at any stage press F1 or use the help button on the screen for more information. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 14/02/2012 12:26 PM, Haynes, Roxana J. wrote: How would I print a master list of all the names in my genealogy file? Thanks, Roxana Haynes Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Printing Master List
On 2012/02/14 19:26, Haynes, Roxana J. wrote: How would I print a master list of all the names in my genealogy file? Go to the Name List then hit the Print button. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
Well, I tried putting in just the person's surname and no given name, but I sure didn't like the report that has only the single word Secor to start a report of him and his descendants. There is just the !.Secor that begins the report. It looks to me like it needs something more. Although I realize I am paddling against the current, I choose the [Father of John] Secor option. It makes for a better beginning to the reports. Thanks, all. Jane On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.comwrote: When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. I have his son's name, but no clue as to his. Is it best to leave it blank, or give him a term such as unknown, father, progenitor, etc.? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
I use double brackets [[Father of John]] - these are called privacy brackets (I think) in the help file. This gives you flexibility in that you have options in reports settings to either include or exclude private data, and I am pretty sure remove the brackets as well. I usually do not include the Father of John in my reports, but find this notation is helpful when working with people lists inside of Legacy. A whole collection of blank names with surname Smith is not that helpful to me. And, BTW, we are not the only two people that use this technique either. :) On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: Although I realize I am paddling against the current, I choose the [Father of John] Secor option. It makes for a better beginning to the reports. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.5 and source citation import?
Leonard, I may be off-base here, but when I add the person's name in either the Text or Comment field on the Source DETAIL and click the check box to include it, then it does print in the citation. For example, I was using the Ill. Death Index for a couple... same source master, same date accessed, etc., but each had their own name in the item field---actually, I realize that that is what makes them different. I am including the cert# in the Comment field, though, and checking the box to include that. So, maybe I am no help. I don't do footnotes, just endnotes. (and maybe our subject has changed?) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: gambol gam...@juno.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Mon, February 13, 2012 6:51:07 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.5 and source citation import? Ward, Yes this is similar. Your comments led me to the Options Customize Source tab Source Detail Defaults. I had the first three boxes checked and then discovered the Reset buttons cycle through each source and source text and list them as one line in the reports. This is exactly what I was looking for, it's a shave the program does not do this as default. My last huddle is to get Legacy to ignore its Subsequent Citations format as there are many times when a census is used as source for a persons' name, approximate birth year and birth state. The individual's name should appear under Legacy's Name Event, and the year, state would appear under the Birth Event. What is desirable is to have two footnotes with the same source info; one having the name as detail and the second having year, state as detail. Are you aware of an option that allows each footnote to appear with its own text? The truncation as it appears in the Subsequent Citations could happen any where in the footnote/endnote printout and the second, etc, usage could be for another person. This leads to confusion on the reader's part. Leonard Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
I also leave it blank. I tried Mrs. John L. Smith to help me know whose wife she was, but that just didn't look right in reports... didn't make it obvious that I still needed to determine her name. Specifically, I do not enter the wife at all, unless I have some other information to enter for her (birth place, eg). --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 8:36:30 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] What name to use? When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. I have his son's name, but no clue as to his. Is it best to leave it blank, or give him a term such as unknown, father, progenitor, etc.? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils
Does anyone else on this list use Heritage Quest through their library? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 12:14:35 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils Records Released in 48 Days! -- Tim Rosenlof Always Source Your Work Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils
I use remote access to Heritage Quest and and other sites through my library. Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:10:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils From: j.bullock...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Yes,I do On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Does anyone else on this list use Heritage Quest through their library? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 12:14:35 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils Records Released in 48 Days! -- Tim Rosenlof Always Source Your Work Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] HeritageQuest
Paula I do too. Howland Davis PS. Let's not hijack subject lines in order to aid future archive searching. -Original Message- From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:03 pm Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils Does anyone else on this list use Heritage Quest through their library? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 12:14:35 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils Records Released in 48 Days! -- Tim Rosenlof Always Source Your Work Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
Jane, I agree! Which is one of the reasons why I have always put Mr, Miss etc, in the prefix field, even if the first name is known. Before anybody advises me, I am aware that this is non-standard but I like it! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Jane Sarles Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:17 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use? Well, I tried putting in just the person's surname and no given name, but I sure didn't like the report that has only the single word Secor to start a report of him and his descendants. There is just the !.Secor that begins the report. It looks to me like it needs something more. Although I realize I am paddling against the current, I choose the [Father of John] Secor option. It makes for a better beginning to the reports. Thanks, all. Jane On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. I have his son's name, but no clue as to his. Is it best to leave it blank, or give him a term such as unknown, father, progenitor, etc.? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Controlling Subsequent Citation Details [WAS: Legacy 7.5 and source citation import?]
Leonard, We had a lot of discussion about Subsequent Citations a while back. I think March of 2009 might be the most recent. I don't know if anything has changed in Legacy. I know I logged some requests. Think of a template-driven (i.e., SourceWriter) citation as consisting of 4 groupings of fields: - master fields that always appear - master fields that disappear on subsequent citations - detail fields that always appear - detail fields that disappear on subsequent citations The same fields appear, or not, on each subsequent citation of a given master source. If you understand which ones do so, for a particular SourceWriter template, then you can fudge your data accordingly. By 'fudge', I mean sometimes placing a text value in a different field than the one suggested by the template. Does this help you to engineer your detail citations such that you see the desired different detail fields in your footnotes? Ward - Original Message - From: Paula Ryburn To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.5 and source citation import? Leonard, I may be off-base here, but when I add the person's name in either the Text or Comment field on the Source DETAIL and click the check box to include it, then it does print in the citation. For example, I was using the Ill. Death Index for a couple... same source master, same date accessed, etc., but each had their own name in the item field---actually, I realize that that is what makes them different. I am including the cert# in the Comment field, though, and checking the box to include that. So, maybe I am no help. I don't do footnotes, just endnotes. (and maybe our subject has changed?) --Paula in Texas - From: gambol gam...@juno.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Mon, February 13, 2012 6:51:07 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.5 and source citation import?  Ward, Yes this is similar. Your comments led me to the Options Customize Source tab Source Detail Defaults. I had the first three boxes checked and then discovered the Reset buttons cycle through each source and source text and list them as one line in the reports. This is exactly what I was looking for, it's a shave the program does not do this as default. My last huddle is to get Legacy to ignore its Subsequent Citations format as there are many times when a census is used as source for a persons' name, approximate birth year and birth state. The individual's name should appear under Legacy's Name Event, and the year, state would appear under the Birth Event. What is desirable is to have two footnotes with the same source info; one having the name as detail and the second having year, state as detail. Are you aware of an option that allows each footnote to appear with its own text? The truncation as it appears in the Subsequent Citations could happen any where in the footnote/endnote printout and the second, etc, usage could be for another person. This leads to confusion on the reader's part. Leonard Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
I do something very similar to what James does. When you are going through a list and you see a bunch of Sallys, blanks or unknowns, it does not lend itself well to giving you any idea how the person is related to another person in your tree. So, I would indicate very much like James and say: Surname:Smith First Name: Given Name ? (Father of John) Jerry Boor - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 2/14/2012 9:59 AM, James Cook wrote: [[Father of John]] Smith On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Jane Sarlessarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
Just a comment from the peanut gallery, but you CAN alter the title of a report. It could read something like Secor family in . Maureen Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I tried putting in just the person's surname and no given name, but I sure didn't like the report that has only the single word Secor to start a report of him and his descendants. There is just the !.Secor that begins the report. It looks to me like it needs something more. Although I realize I am paddling against the current, I choose the [Father of John] Secor option. It makes for a better beginning to the reports. Thanks, all. Jane Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
Depends on how you do your research. I do mine by family, working steadily backwards, so I rarely use the Name list. Also, I just last night accidentally discovered I can set more than 3 bookmarks for individuals woo hoo! ;) Legacy is still full of surprises for me. I guess what I'm saying is: If you are constantly trying to find the same one or two Unknown Smith individuals, bookmark them and don't worry about making up something to make them stand out in the Name list. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 2:12:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use? I do something very similar to what James does. When you are going through a list and you see a bunch of Sallys, blanks or unknowns, it does not lend itself well to giving you any idea how the person is related to another person in your tree. So, I would indicate very much like James and say: Surname:Smith First Name: Given Name ? (Father of John) Jerry Boor - MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
Brian, I use a combination of yours and from James. The known surname and for the given name I enter eg. N N (Father of ...) At first I also used the square brackets but as Legacy uses the [[]] for privacy options in the report I changed to the above. Bernhard -Original Message- From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:07 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use? I am a member of the just leave it blank school. I only enter the surname in those cases. Although I work for Millennia those are my personal standards not a recommendation. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 14/02/2012 9:36 AM, Jane Sarles wrote: When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have information to create and event, I should like to know what other people use for a given name. I have his son's name, but no clue as to his. Is it best to leave it blank, or give him a term such as unknown, father, progenitor, etc.? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Colonial Secretary's Papers and Source Writer
Hi I am new to this group, and a little nervous, but hopefully I get this right. I am wondering if anyone has entered NSW Colonial Secretary's Papers as a source in Legacy. I have found a number of supporting documents in this collection but am unsure how to enter it in Source Writer as there doesn't seem to be a category that fits. The Colonial Secretary's Papers contains records for the Colony of New South Wales, Australia from 1784-1821, and a mixed bag it is. There are convict lists, assignment of convicts, victualling, land grants, memoranda, copies of all official correspondence within the colony, between NSW and other colonies and between NSW and other governments, and more besides. This makes it hard to find a category to put the Papers into when making a Master Source. So, do I have to break it down into component parts, or is there a way to refer to the whole collection as a Master Source? Has anyone had any experience with this, and, if so, how did you approach it? Cheerio Megan Hitchens You can feel compassion regardless of whether you view the other person as a friend or an enemy. It is based on the other's fundamental rights rather than your own mental projection. - the 14th Dalai Lama http://www.greenpeace.org/tokyo-two Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
Very good pointt, Paula, but on our website we have hundreds of unknowns, both Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Depends on how you do your research. I do mine by family, working steadily backwards, so I rarely use the Name list. Also, I just last night accidentally discovered I can set more than 3 bookmarks for individuals woo hoo! ;) Legacy is still full of surprises for me. I guess what I'm saying is: If you are constantly trying to find the same one or two Unknown Smith individuals, bookmark them and don't worry about making up something to make them stand out in the Name list. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 2:12:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use? I do something very similar to what James does. When you are going through a list and you see a bunch of Sallys, blanks or unknowns, it does not lend itself well to giving you any idea how the person is related to another person in your tree. So, I would indicate very much like James and say: Surname:Smith First Name: Given Name ? (Father of John) Jerry Boor - MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Web page creation performance
I've just done a little experiment creating web pages from Legacy. The results might be of interest. First I created the web pages onto D:\genealogy\Web (a regular mechanical hard disk) and copied them to C:\Legacy\Web (a solid state disk). Then I recreated exactly the same web pages and timed from clicking the There are already web pages here do you want to delete them? to the Web pages successfully created requester. So. To the HDD, when I said Yes to the deleting, it took 1 minute and 20 seconds to actually delete the old files and 2 minutes 15 seconds to create the new. 3 minutes 35 secs total To the SSD, it also took 1 minute 20 to actually delete the files (which surprised me) but only 2 minutes and 5 seconds to create the pages. 3 minutes 25 total. Basically, having a SSD doesn't make much difference. Most of the delete time is Windows 7 sitting on the Preparing to delete phase. Actual deletion takes a few seconds. When I said No, it took 2 mins exactly to create the files while deleting the old ones on the fly, regardless of whether I used the SSD or the HDD. Less than when I said Yes to the delete. The conclusion is that you should only delete all the old files first if you are worried that there may be some pages for folk who are no longer in the DB. Otherwise it is just a waste of time. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Colonial Secretary's Papers and Source Writer
On 14/02/2012 22:29, Megan Hitchens wrote: I am new to this group, and a little nervous, but hopefully I get this right. I am wondering if anyone has entered NSW Colonial Secretary's Papers as a source in Legacy. I have found a number of supporting documents in this collection but am unsure how to enter it in Source Writer as there doesn't seem to be a category that fits. The Colonial Secretary's Papers contains records for the Colony of New South Wales, Australia from 1784-1821, and a mixed bag it is. There are convict lists, assignment of convicts, victualling, land grants, memoranda, copies of all official correspondence within the colony, between NSW and other colonies and between NSW and other governments, and more besides. This makes it hard to find a category to put the Papers into when making a Master Source. So, do I have to break it down into component parts, or is there a way to refer to the whole collection as a Master Source? Has anyone had any experience with this, and, if so, how did you approach it? Have a look at the various options under Court Records and see if any of those might suit. Don't forget that the description of a template doesn't have to match word-for-word what your Source is as long as the resulting Citation is fit for purpose. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.5 and source citation import?
Paula, Thanks. We are sill on topic: getting the source and the text comment to appear together in the footnote/endnote. Footnotes and Endnotes work the same, just a matter of where they appear and another one of those personal preferences. I use both depending on how the report in used; when reviewing a cousins work it is easier to have the footnotes option on.. This way the notes appear on the same page as the event cited. I solved the import riddle with the help of Ward and others, but have not found a solution to subsequent citations not including the text notes. A good example would be the 1900 or 1910 census as a source for a persons name, birth year and state, and marriage year. The first usage appears as it should with the text, but the two subsequent source citations only appear as the source with out the text. One for birth year and state and the other for marriage year; two identical entries. I the same source is used for a child, it would appear less the text even if other sources are cited in between. How would the above citations appear on your end. I down loaded my deluxe version of Legacy and am operating on a Vista machine with SP2 and max memory. Leonard Researching: Middlebrooks [all 39+ variations], Fullerton, Burkett, Williams On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:51:33 -0800 (PST) Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net writes: Leonard, I may be off-base here, but when I add the person's name in either the Text or Comment field on the Source DETAIL and click the check box to include it, then it does print in the citation. For example, I was using the Ill. Death Index for a couple... same source master, same date accessed, etc., but each had their own name in the item field---actually, I realize that that is what makes them different. I am including the cert# in the Comment field, though, and checking the box to include that. So, maybe I am no help. I don't do footnotes, just endnotes. (and maybe our subject has changed?) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: gambol gam...@juno.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Mon, February 13, 2012 6:51:07 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.5 and source citation import? ? Ward, Yes this is similar. Your comments led me to the Options Customize Source tab Source Detail Defaults. I had the first three boxes checked and then discovered the Reset buttons cycle through each source and source text and list them as one line in the reports. This is exactly what I was looking for, it's a shave the program does not do this as default. My last huddle is to get Legacy to ignore its Subsequent Citations format as there are many times when a census is used as source for a persons' name, approximate birth year and birth state. The individual's name should appear under Legacy's Name Event, and the year, state would appear under the Birth Event. What is desirable is to have two footnotes with the same source info; one having the name as detail and the second having year, state as detail. Are you aware of an option that allows each footnote to appear with its own text? The truncation as it appears in the Subsequent Citations could happen any where in the footnote/endnote printout and the second, etc, usage could be for another person. This leads to confusion on the reader's part. Leonard 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f3afa704da8bed8cafst04vuc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Colonial Secretary's Papers and Source Writer
Megan I'm in the U.K. and do research worldwide - my late husband was American and I have 2 One-Name Studies that include people in Europe and Commonwealth especially. Because I have been using Legacy since before Source Writer was created I find that it's best to use that for U.S. sources only as that it what it has been designed for. For me it's much better to create my own source system for all other records I do cite the whole CSP collection as a Master Source. In the 'Text of Source' and 'Comments' I put basic info of types of resources/sections included in the collection. In the 'Source Detail' I can then add all the individual detail for the section I am referring to. Carol Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:29:23 -0800 From: mmhitch...@yahoo.com.au Subject: [LegacyUG] Colonial Secretary's Papers and Source Writer To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Hi I am new to this group, and a little nervous, but hopefully I get this right. I am wondering if anyone has entered NSW Colonial Secretary's Papers as a source in Legacy. I have found a number of supporting documents in this collection but am unsure how to enter it in Source Writer as there doesn't seem to be a category that fits. The Colonial Secretary's Papers contains records for the Colony of New South Wales, Australia from 1784-1821, and a mixed bag it is. There are convict lists, assignment of convicts, victualling, land grants, memoranda, copies of all official correspondence within the colony, between NSW and other colonies and between NSW and other governments, and more besides. This makes it hard to find a category to put the Papers into when making a Master Source. So, do I have to break it down into component parts, or is there a way to refer to the whole collection as a Master Source? Has anyone had any experience with this, and, if so, how did you approach it? Cheerio Megan Hitchens You can feel compassion regardless of whether you view the other person as a friend or an enemy. It is based on the other's fundamental rights rather than your own mental projection. - the 14th Dalai Lama http://www.greenpeace.org/tokyo-two Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem to me. Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in the realtionship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once removed. Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means. I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me. Colin. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
Actually all you have to do in Family view is right click on the person and then pick the menu item Addbrother or sister Russ -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:05 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use? On 2012/02/14 17:38, Ron Ferguson wrote: I am also of the leave it blank brigade. However, I rarely have a father without knowing his given name. If I have siblings with no known parents, I will usually create a father with their surname and no given name, but then I add to note to say he is an ‘invented’ person. It also occurs when in a census a father is absent, and the mother is recorded as married. Siblings without parents can be entered as such :-) Select the Family tab and have the first child as either the husband or wife. Now, double-click on the father or mother above the child. You'll get blank parents with the child now in the children section at the bottom. You'll now be able to right-click on the child and add a brother or sister. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
The word “Half” means that one of them had the same mother or the same father but not both. Did you check to see that there were not two marriages in the line. Russ From: Colin Liddell Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:09 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem to me. Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in the realtionship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once removed. Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means. I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me. Colin. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Russ,thank you for your reply.
They both had the same parents. I had the same thought and went in to check
that I had not entered the mother twice for some reason but she is the only
entry, it is an unusual name, Sara Johanna Doelnif Van Die KAAP so it would
not be accidently entered twice.{:-)
I removed the husband's name from Legacy and then checked the relationship
and I get the same answer, Half 3rd Cousin once removed.
Most strange.
Colin.
- Original Message -
From: R G Strong-genes
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
The word “Half” means that one of them had the same mother or the same
father but not both. Did you check to see that there were not two marriages
in the line.
Russ
From: Colin Liddell
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem
to me.
Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g
grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in
the relationship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed
but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy
and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once
removed.
Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means.
I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me.
Colin.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils
Yes, I have access from home to HQ through my library card and use it often. Does anyone know who, if anyone, will be putting this new census online, and when? Elizabeth == On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Does anyone else on this list use Heritage Quest through their library? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams -- *From:* Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Tue, February 14, 2012 12:14:35 PM *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils Records Released in 48 Days! -- Tim Rosenlof Always Source Your Work Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Go further back in their ancestry.
CE From: cap...@optusnet.com.au
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:29:50 +1000
Russ,thank you for your reply.
They both had the same parents. I had the same thought and went in to check
that I had not entered the mother twice for some reason but she is the only
entry, it is an unusual name, Sara Johanna Doelnif Van Die KAAP so it would
not be accidently entered twice.{:-)
I removed the husband's name from Legacy and then checked the relationship
and I get the same answer, Half 3rd Cousin once removed.
Most strange.
Colin.
- Original Message -
From: R G Strong-genes
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
The word “Half” means that one of them had the same mother or the same
father but not both. Did you check to see that there were not two marriages
in the line.
Russ
From: Colin Liddell
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem
to me.
Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g
grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in
the relationship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed
but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy
and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once
removed.
Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means.
I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me.
Colin.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
CE, I am at the end of the line, I can go no further back at the moment. This
research is in South Africa which is a difficult place to research at the best
of times, I have had to rely on Baptisms to get back this far.
I have Sara Johanna Doelnif Van Die KAAP who was a slave to a Dutch farmer, he
gave Sara her freedom, at some stage either before or after she was given her
freedom she gave birth to three children.
Sara, Carolina Doelnif
Jan Hendrik Doelnif
Martha Arletta Doelnif
No surname given.
It is the two daughters, Johanna and Martha that are involved in this, my
cousin is the gg grand daughter of Johanna and I am the g grandson of Martha
and I am trying to establish what relationship I am to my cousin. I have even
removed the supposed father of Martha and just left Sara as their parent and
Legacy still says I am half third cousin once removed
thank you for your suggestion.
Colin
- Original Message -
From: CE WOOD
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Go further back in their ancestry.
CE
From: cap...@optusnet.com.au
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:29:50 +1000
Russ,thank you for your reply.
They both had the same parents. I had the same thought and went in to check
that I had not entered the mother twice for some reason but she is the only
entry, it is an unusual name, Sara Johanna Doelnif Van Die KAAP so it would
not be accidently entered twice.{:-)
I removed the husband's name from Legacy and then checked the relationship
and I get the same answer, Half 3rd Cousin once removed.
Most strange.
Colin.
- Original Message -
From: R G Strong-genes
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
The word “Half” means that one of them had the same mother or the same
father but not both. Did you check to see that there were not two marriages
in the line.
Russ
From: Colin Liddell
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem
to me.
Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g
grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in
the relationship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed
but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy
and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once
removed.
Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means.
I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me.
Colin.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Colonial Secretary's Papers and Source Writer
Thank you, Carol I will do it that way. Now I can finally move forward Regards Megan You can feel compassion regardless of whether you view the other person as a friend or an enemy. It is based on the other's fundamental rights rather than your own mental projection. - the 14th Dalai Lama http://www.greenpeace.org/tokyo-two From: cr brassfield crbrassfi...@hotmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, 15 February 2012 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Colonial Secretary's Papers and Source Writer Megan I'm in the U.K. and do research worldwide - my late husband was American and I have 2 One-Name Studies that include people in Europe and Commonwealth especially. Because I have been using Legacy since before Source Writer was created I find that it's best to use that for U.S. sources only as that it what it has been designed for. For me it's much better to create my own source system for all other records I do cite the whole CSP collection as a Master Source. In the 'Text of Source' and 'Comments' I put basic info of types of resources/sections included in the collection. In the 'Source Detail' I can then add all the individual detail for the section I am referring to. Carol Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:29:23 -0800 From: mmhitch...@yahoo.com.au Subject: [LegacyUG] Colonial Secretary's Papers and Source Writer To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Hi I am new to this group, and a little nervous, but hopefully I get this right. I am wondering if anyone has entered NSW Colonial Secretary's Papers as a source in Legacy. I have found a number of supporting documents in this collection but am unsure how to enter it in Source Writer as there doesn't seem to be a category that fits. The Colonial Secretary's Papers contains records for the Colony of New South Wales, Australia from 1784-1821, and a mixed bag it is. There are convict lists, assignment of convicts, victualling, land grants, memoranda, copies of all official correspondence within the colony, between NSW and other colonies and between NSW and other governments, and more besides. This makes it hard to find a category to put the Papers into when making a Master Source. So, do I have to break it down into component parts, or is there a way to refer to the whole collection as a Master Source? Has anyone had any experience with this, and, if so, how did you approach it? Cheerio Megan Hitchens You can feel compassion regardless of whether you view the other person as a friend or an enemy. It is based on the other's fundamental rights rather than your own mental projection. - the 14th Dalai Lama http://www.greenpeace.org/tokyo-two Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils
Are you refering to the 1940? Ancestry and familysearch are both getting it I believe. Ancestry is running a count down G they will put it online browse only ASAP and then set people to indexing it. What familysearch has to say ” On April 2, 2012, NARA will provide access to the images of the 1940 United States Federal Census for the first time. Unlike previous census years, images of the 1940 U.S. Federal Census will be made available as free digital images. Eliz On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM, elizabeth newi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I have access from home to HQ through my library card and use it often. Does anyone know who, if anyone, will be putting this new census online, and when? Elizabeth == On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Does anyone else on this list use Heritage Quest through their library? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 12:14:35 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils Records Released in 48 Days! -- Tim Rosenlof Always Source Your Work Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils
You can get free 1790 through 1930 Census images (as well as many other things) here: http://www.archive.org/mediatypes-browse.php?mediatype=texts I would guess they will have the 1940 Census at some point. Laird On 2/14/2012 10:55 PM, Eliz Hanebury wrote: Are you refering to the 1940? Ancestry and familysearch are both getting it I believe. Ancestry is running a count downG they will put it online browse only ASAP and then set people to indexing it. What familysearch has to say †On April 2, 2012, NARA will provide access to the images of the 1940 United States Federal Census for the first time. Unlike previous census years, images of the 1940 U.S. Federal Census will be made available as free digital images. Eliz On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM, elizabethnewi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I have access from home to HQ through my library card and use it often. Does anyone know who, if anyone, will be putting this new census online, and when? Elizabeth == On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Paula Ryburnpaula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Does anyone else on this list use Heritage Quest through their library? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Tim Rosenlofspa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 12:14:35 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils Records Released in 48 Days! -- Tim Rosenlof Always Source Your Work Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils
Images of the 1940 census will be available free through a variety of sources however without indexes. Three sites are combining resources to provide indexing through a volunteer effort. This was released last December - SALT LAKE CITY—Three leading genealogy organizations, Archives.com http://familysearch.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0de542dc933cfcb848d187eaid=7e5b39a044e=84a6b8f21c, FamilySearch International http://familysearch.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=b0de542dc933cfcb848d187eaid=ed9adfb9ebe=84a6b8f21c, and findmypast.com http://familysearch.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0de542dc933cfcb848d187eaid=d9d206583ae=84a6b8f21c, announced today they are joining forces to launch the 1940 US Census Community Project. The ambitious project aims to engage online volunteers to quickly publish a searchable, high quality name index to the 1940 US Census after it is released in April 2012 by the National Archives and Record Administration of the United States (NARA). Indexing will be done much like the indexing is now being done through FamilySearch for its microfilms. The indexes will also be made available free - but with such a mammoth project, don't expect to find your relatives the first day the census is released. The more volunteers, the quicker a full searchable index will be available. Cheers - Jackie On 2/14/2012 11:55 PM, Laird wrote: You can get free 1790 through 1930 Census images (as well as many other things) here: http://www.archive.org/mediatypes-browse.php?mediatype=texts I would guess they will have the 1940 Census at some point. Laird On 2/14/2012 10:55 PM, Eliz Hanebury wrote: Are you refering to the 1940? Ancestry and familysearch are both getting it I believe. Ancestry is running a count downG they will put it online browse only ASAP and then set people to indexing it. What familysearch has to say †On April 2, 2012, NARA will provide access to the images of the 1940 United States Federal Census for the first time. Unlike previous census years, images of the 1940 U.S. Federal Census will be made available as free digital images. Eliz On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM, elizabethnewi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I have access from home to HQ through my library card and use it often. Does anyone know who, if anyone, will be putting this new census online, and when? Elizabeth == On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Paula Ryburnpaula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Does anyone else on this list use Heritage Quest through their library? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Tim Rosenlofspa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 12:14:35 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sharpen Your Pencils Records Released in 48 Days! -- Tim Rosenlof Always Source Your Work Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
If your GGM is the sister of her 2GGM, then their parents are the common ancestors. So Your 2GGP and her 3GGP are the same people. This means that you are third cousins once removed. How does this work? This couple had children, your GGM, her 2GGM and maybe others. these are siblings. These people had children (your GP and her GGP) who are first cousins. These people had children (your parent and her grandparent) who are second cousins. Now, these people also had children (you and her parent) who are third cousins. Now, we don't go any further in your line, but she is one layer below you, hence the once removed bit. Her children will still be your third cousins, but twice removed. Your children will be her 4th cousins. The easiest way, I think, to work it out is to find the most recent common ancestor of both people and then count the steps back. Your parents are 1 step, your grand parents are two steps, your GGP are 3 steps and your 2GGP are four steps. So, for you it is 4 steps. For her, it is 5 steps. Now, take the smaller number of steps and subtract 1. That is the Cousin bit. 4-1=3, so 3rd cousin. Then take the difference between the two numbers and that is the removed bit. 4-3=1, so once removed. Of course, if the shorter number of steps = 1, then you get 0th cousin, which translates into Aunt or uncle and the difference is whether they are great aunt etc. Hope that helps Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
If you look at that line more closely, I think you will find that at some stage a parent had two partners/spouses, and one line descends from a child from one marriage, and the other child from the second marriage. I have a half-great-uncle, Jack. His father is my great-grandfather (Eddy), his mother is no (blood) relation to me. My great-grandmother had a relationship with Eddy before he married, producing my grandfather. Jack's children are my half-first-cousins, once removed. If this is not the case in your Legacy file, try running the Check/Repair to see if that fixes things up for you. File File Maintenance Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Colin Liddell said the following on 15/02/2012 3:09 p.m.: I am hoping someone on the List will able to explain a relationship problem to me. Just recently I found a distant cousin on Ancestry, it turns out my g grandmother is the sister of her gg grandmother. As she is one step out in the realtionship, my first thought was she was my 3rd cousin once removed but I thought I would check this with the relationship calculator on Legacy and when I did I was told that this lady is my Half third cousin once removed. Can anyone explain to me what the word Half means. I look forward to what you clever folks can tell me. Colin. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem
- Original Message - From: Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship Problem If your GGM is the sister of her 2GGM, then their parents are the common ancestors. So Your 2GGP and her 3GGP are the same people. This means that you are third cousins once removed. How does this work? This couple had children, your GGM, her 2GGM and maybe others. these are siblings. These people had children (your GP and her GGP) who are first cousins. These people had children (your parent and her grandparent) who are second cousins. Now, these people also had children (you and her parent) who are third cousins. Now, we don't go any further in your line, but she is one layer below you, hence the once removed bit. Her children will still be your third cousins, but twice removed. Your children will be her 4th cousins. The easiest way, I think, to work it out is to find the most recent common ancestor of both people and then count the steps back. Your parents are 1 step, your grand parents are two steps, your GGP are 3 steps and your 2GGP are four steps. So, for you it is 4 steps. For her, it is 5 steps. Now, take the smaller number of steps and subtract 1. That is the Cousin bit. 4-1=3, so 3rd cousin. Then take the difference between the two numbers and that is the removed bit. 4-3=1, so once removed. Of course, if the shorter number of steps = 1, then you get 0th cousin, which translates into Aunt or uncle and the difference is whether they are great aunt etc. Hope that helps - Thank you Tony for answering my post about the relationship, my apologies for not being very clear as to my request. I am aware of what you have explained regarding relationships, I too had come to the conclusion that we would be 3rd cousins once removed BUT, here is the rub: When I checked in Legacy to be sure I have it right, Legacy told me that we are HALF third cousins once removed, it is the HALF that I do not understand. Russ, another Lister told me that HALF meant each daughter had a different father but this is not so. I removed the father's name and just left the mother's name and I still get the same message, very frustrating! even check a oline chart and it showed that we are 3rd cousins once removed so is this a problem in Legacy? Should it be reported? Regards, Colin Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
