Re: [LegacyUG] Race -

[Runolfson]

My apologies, you are right, sadly I have met some but that it just me. I
am bowing out of this conversation.

Bill


In a message dated 7/5/2012 7:33:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
hwedh...@cox.net writes:

Bill,

Please refrain from generalizing about what "many  Americans"
think, or do not think.  I've lived in the United States  of
America for nearly 69 years, and have never met a single
American  who thinks Africa is a country, and not a
continent.  Such  generalizations are just as inaccurate as
the term African American.  :-)

John

John Zimmerman
Mesa, AZ


On 7/5/2012 5:33  PM, runolf...@aol.com wrote:
> African American in considered by some as  a race but
> anyone born in Africa and now in America would fit that
> description. Not all people from Africa are black. That is
>  where some confusion can come in. Many Americans think
> Africa is a  country, it is a continent, of many nations
> and people. It comes down  to education, accuracy, and
> being proud of who you and your family  are. I have family
> members that try to recreate our family, drives me  crazy.
> I go for accuracy.
> Bill
> In a message dated  7/5/2012 5:11:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight
> Time,  ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net writes:
>
> David is  the second person that has commented on this
>  thread, saying that people need to be careful not to
>   "confuse" race with nation of origin.  This  totally
> baffles me as to how anyone wouldn't know  what the
> difference between a person's race and  their nation of
> origin. American and South African  are nationalities.
>  Caucasian is a race.  How  would someone confuse the
> two?  Japanese is a  nationality.  Asian is a race.
>  Again, how do  you confuse the two?
>
> Ron  Bernier
> Sent from my iPad
>
>   On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:26 PM, David Abernathy
> > wrote:
>
>>   Only some of them (census) had contained  race.
>>
>> Also one needs to careful as  to what is a race and
>> not a nation of  origin.
>>
>> Sent from my Kindle  Fire
>> In God We  Trust
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Race

[hwedhlor]

It is my impression (and that of the majority of Western
biological and anthropological researchers) that
biologically there is but a single human race. All the other
"racial" terms are sociocultural constructs. With the advent
of frequent travel between continents, and the resultant
interbreeding of previously isolated populations, the
differences of hair texture, eye shape, nose shape, etc. can
no longer be used to identify recent geographical, or even
ethnic origins.

Having said that I must add that possible "racial" origin is
certainly significant to the genealogical researcher as it
gives us a clue about where to look for records and
relatives. Assuming genealogical research is eventually
taken to its logical conclusion all genealogists will
ultimately be searching for matching DNA somewhere in
Africa. :-)

John

John Zimmerman
Mesa, AZ


On 7/5/2012 5:33 PM, David C Abernathy wrote:
>
> Try this
>
> “A *race* is a biological construct, of a more or less
> distinct population with anatomical traits that
> distinguish it clearly from other races. The anatomical
> traits usually refer to the color of the skin, shape of
> the eyes or the nose. For example, in India the people in
> the southern parts are quite different anatomically from
> the people in the northern parts, because the people from
> the south belong to the Dravidian race and the people from
> the north belong to the Aryan race. *The three major races
> of the world are the Caucasian, the Mongoloid and the
> Negroid*.
>
> *Ethnicity*refers to the cultural factors of the racial
> group, especially religion, food habits, dressing and life
> style and occupations. Ethnicity refers to a subset within
> race. For example not all the Caucasians of the world
> follow the same religious or cultural practices.
>
> In short, Race is genetically determined by Nature”
>
> So in today’s World, with so many cross breading of the
> different Races, what are the real Races?
>
> From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Race
>
> “*race^“ *
>
> /n./
>
> *1. *A local geographic or global human population
> distinguished as a more or less distinct group by
> genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
>
> *2. *A group of people united or classified together on
> the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic
> distribution: /the German race./
>
> *3. *A genealogical line; a lineage.
>
> *4. *Humans considered as a group.
>
> *5. */Biology/
>
> *a. *An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated
> population of organisms differing from other populations
> of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits.
> A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is
> known as a subspecies.
>
> *b. *A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
>
> *6. *A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as
> the flavor of a wine.
>
> Thanks,
> David C Abernathy
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> *From:*Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:11 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Race
>
> David is the second person that has commented on this
> thread, saying that people need to be careful not to
> "confuse" race with nation of origin. This totally baffles
> me as to how anyone wouldn't know what the difference
> between a person's race and their nation of origin.
> American and South African are nationalities. Caucasian is
> a race. How would someone confuse the two? Japanese is a
> nationality. Asian is a race. Again, how do you confuse
> the two?
>
> Ron Bernier
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:26 PM, David Abernathy
>  > wrote:
>
> Only some of them (census) had contained race.
>
> Also one needs to careful as to what is a race and not
> a nation of origin.
>
> Sent from my Kindle Fire
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Re: [LegacyUG] Race -

[hwedhlor]

Bill,

Please refrain from generalizing about what "many Americans"
think, or do not think.  I've lived in the United States of
America for nearly 69 years, and have never met a single
American who thinks Africa is a country, and not a
continent.  Such generalizations are just as inaccurate as
the term African American. :-)

John

John Zimmerman
Mesa, AZ


On 7/5/2012 5:33 PM, runolf...@aol.com wrote:
> African American in considered by some as a race but
> anyone born in Africa and now in America would fit that
> description. Not all people from Africa are black. That is
> where some confusion can come in. Many Americans think
> Africa is a country, it is a continent, of many nations
> and people. It comes down to education, accuracy, and
> being proud of who you and your family are. I have family
> members that try to recreate our family, drives me crazy.
> I go for accuracy.
> Bill
> In a message dated 7/5/2012 5:11:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight
> Time, ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net writes:
>
> David is the second person that has commented on this
> thread, saying that people need to be careful not to
> "confuse" race with nation of origin.  This totally
> baffles me as to how anyone wouldn't know what the
> difference between a person's race and their nation of
> origin. American and South African are nationalities.
>  Caucasian is a race.  How would someone confuse the
> two?  Japanese is a nationality.  Asian is a race.
>  Again, how do you confuse the two?
>
> Ron Bernier
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:26 PM, David Abernathy
>  > wrote:
>
>> Only some of them (census) had contained race.
>>
>> Also one needs to careful as to what is a race and
>> not a nation of origin.
>>
>> Sent from my Kindle Fire
>> In God We Trust
>>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ref: Wall Charts

[Ila Johnson]

That is great.  Only problem I have now is the limit is 200 inches in width and
the chart I have created is over 33 feet long.  How can I reduce the over all
width with out losing the people? 


Ila Johnson



From: Sherry/Support 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thu, July 5, 2012 8:05:26 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ref: Wall Charts

Ila,

In Legacy Charting, click on Publish then Export to File.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Ila Johnson  wrote:
> How do I create a Decendant wall chart in the PDF format?  It puts it in the
> Iwc format with no other options.  I need it in a PDF so I can email it for
> the family to look at before printing.  I am using Legacy Charting Deluxe
> 7.5.129.
>
> Ila Johnson



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RE: [LegacyUG] Race

[M. Brenzel]

Michele,

As Jenny said, create a custom Fact/Event.  Please open the Individual's 
Information screen.  The heading for the section under Birth, Death, etc. is 
titled "Events/Facts".  You are right, Race and Etnicity are not Events but 
they are FACTS.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:12 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Race

I could make an event but that would be weird.  Your race isn't an event in 
your life.  For now I am just writing it in the notes so that I know to take 
race into consideration when I am searching for records.  Since census records 
always contain race I am surprised Legacy hasn't added a field for that.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race

On 05/07/2012 19:28, Michele Lewis wrote:
> I just realized there is no place in Legacy to record a person’s race
> (or is there?)  I just received a marriage license in the mail from
> Forrest County, MS on one of my relatives.  The marriage came from one
> of the “Colored” marriage books.  When I requested the marriage I had
> no idea that the man she married was black.  Lucky for me the clerk in
> Forrest County was smart enough to check the “Colored” books when she
> didn’t find the marriage in the white marriage book.  I looked for
> this man right away in the WWI draft cards and I did find him (listed
> as black). However, if I hadn’t done any more research on his for
> months I might have forgotten he was black and missed records
> discounted certain records because of race.
> If there isn’t a place to record race (if there is I couldn’t find it) it 
> would be nice if there was.

You could create a custom Fact/Event to cover this.

--
Jenny M Benson





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Re: [LegacyUG] Ref: Wall Charts

[Sherry/Support]

Ila,

In Legacy Charting, click on Publish then Export to File.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Ila Johnson  wrote:
> How do I create a Decendant wall chart in the PDF format?  It puts it in the
> Iwc format with no other options.  I need it in a PDF so I can email it for
> the family to look at before printing.  I am using Legacy Charting Deluxe
> 7.5.129.
>
> Ila Johnson



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[LegacyUG] Ref: Wall Charts

[Ila Johnson]

How do I create a Decendant wall chart in the PDF format?  It puts it in the Iwc
format with no other options.  I need it in a PDF so I can email it for the
family to look at before printing.  I am using Legacy Charting Deluxe 7.5.129. 


Ila Johnson


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RE: [LegacyUG] Race

[David C Abernathy]

Try this

“A race is a biological construct, of a more or less distinct population with 
anatomical traits that distinguish it clearly from other races. The anatomical 
traits usually refer to the color of the skin, shape of the eyes or the nose. 
For example, in India the people in the southern parts are quite different 
anatomically from the people in the northern parts, because the people from the 
south belong to the Dravidian race and the people from the north belong to the 
Aryan race. The three major races of the world are the Caucasian, the Mongoloid 
and the Negroid.

Ethnicity refers to the cultural factors of the racial group, especially 
religion, food habits, dressing and life style and occupations. Ethnicity 
refers to a subset within race. For example not all the Caucasians of the world 
follow the same religious or cultural practices.

In short, Race is genetically determined by Nature”



So in today’s World, with so many cross breading of the different Races, what 
are the real Races?



>From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Race

“race “

n.

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or 
less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.

2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common 
history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

3. A genealogical line; a lineage.

4. Humans considered as a group.

5. Biology

a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms 
differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of 
hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is 
known as a subspecies.

b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.

6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.





Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:11 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race



David is the second person that has commented on this thread, saying that 
people need to be careful not to "confuse" race with nation of origin.  This 
totally baffles me as to how anyone wouldn't know what the difference between a 
person's race and their nation of origin. American and South African are 
nationalities.  Caucasian is a race.  How would someone confuse the two?  
Japanese is a nationality.  Asian is a race.  Again, how do you confuse the two?

Ron Bernier
Sent from my iPad


On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:26 PM, David Abernathy  wrote:

Only some of them (census) had contained race.

Also one needs to careful as to what is a race and not a nation of origin.

Sent from my Kindle Fire
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Re: [LegacyUG] Race -

[Runolfson]

African American in considered by some as a race but anyone born in Africa 
and now in America would fit that description. Not all people from Africa
are  black. That is where some confusion can come in. Many Americans think
Africa is  a country, it is a continent, of many nations and people. It comes
down to  education, accuracy, and being proud of who you and your family
are. I have  family members that try to recreate our family, drives me crazy. I
go for  accuracy.

Bill


In a message dated 7/5/2012 5:11:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net writes:

David is the second person that has commented on this thread, saying that
people need to be careful not to "confuse" race with nation of origin.  This
totally baffles me as to how anyone wouldn't know what the  difference
between a person's race and their nation of origin. American and  South African
are nationalities.  Caucasian is a race.  How would  someone confuse the
two?  Japanese is a nationality.  Asian is a  race.  Again, how do you confuse
the two?

Ron Bernier
Sent from  my iPad

On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:26 PM, David Abernathy <_davea@schmeckabernathy.com_
(mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com) >  wrote:





Only some of them (census) had contained race.
Also one needs to careful as to what is a race and not a nation of  origin.
Sent from my Kindle Fire
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Re: [LegacyUG] Race

[Ron Bernier]

David is the second person that has commented on this thread, saying that
people need to be careful not to "confuse" race with nation of origin.
 This totally baffles me as to how anyone wouldn't know what the difference
between a person's race and their nation of origin. American and South
African are nationalities.  Caucasian is a race.  How would someone confuse
the two?  Japanese is a nationality.  Asian is a race.  Again, how do you
confuse the two?

Ron Bernier
Sent from my iPad

On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:26 PM, David Abernathy 
wrote:

Only some of them (census) had contained race.

Also one needs to careful as to what is a race and not a nation of origin.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel - slightly off topic

[Margaret Turner]

 Try
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~robertjpowell/search/research/train/ahnentafel-1.html

:)

Margaret
__

On 6 July 2012 00:04, mbstx  wrote:

> Not sure if I'm off topic or not, as this references Rootsweb pages on
> Ancestry, but Sherry has suggested Richard submit this as an enhancement to
> Legacy.  This table sounds as though it would be useful, but I can't find
> it on the Rootsweb pages.  Would you be able to point me at it?  Marianne
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard and Evita Piepho **
> Sent: Jul 4, 2012 7:52 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel
>
> ** ** ** **
> Sherry..maybe I used the wrong word... looking for a Ahnentafel Table with
> 2 columns one for the Paternal line and the other for the Maternal line
> with the Ahnentafel numbering system with a divisional name of Parents 2 &
> 3   then Grandparents 4 & 5 in one column and 6 & 7 in the other column.  a
> very useful over view at the beginning of each family listing.  I love
> Legacy, but that Table would be most helpful.  Emily Anne Croom in her book
> *Unpuzzling Your Past *has a good example -- also check ancestry.com on
> their rootsweb freepages it shows the table that would be helpful for a
> quick overview of ancestors. thank you much Richard
>
> --
> From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:24:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>
> Take a look at the chart on the Ancestor tab in Reports.  That's basic
> names, dates and locations.
>
> What you're referring to is the book report, which is much larger.
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Richard and Evita Piepho <
> erpie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Ok I see what you meanI can use it but will have to manually make my
> own chart... it will help...take the name index as hard copy; write in the
> Ahnentafel number; and then make my chart; etc I wanted to get away
> from make 29 pages when a chart would do for 3 or 4 pages ...when I send to
> my brother just that part of the report is 27 pages and my son-in-law it is
> 29 pages and that is without the notes; and with notes it runs over 100
> pages for both. * It would be nice if you created in the reports, 
> Charts.*Thank you
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Race

[David Abernathy]

Only some of them (census) had contained race.

Also one needs to careful as to what is a race and not a nation of origin.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Race

[Michele Lewis]

Sigh...   Okay, Ron.  AMERICAN census records contain race, not UK ones :) :) :)

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race

Charani,

If I may correct you, your statement "Since census records always contain race" 
should read Since U.S.A. census records always contain race".

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Charani
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 9:25 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race

Michele Lewis wrote:
> I could make an event but that would be weird.  Your race isn't an
> event in your life.  For now I am just writing it in the notes so that
> I know to take race into consideration when I am searching for
> records.  Since census records always contain race I am surprised
> Legacy hasn't added a field for that.

The advantage of using the Events/Facts dialog box for stating important facts, 
such as race/nationality, is that it's there as soon as you open that person's 
record: no having to remember it or hunt around for it.

I rarely use it except for such important events and/or facts.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Race

[Charani]

Ron Ferguson wrote:
>
> Sorry, Charani, I misattributed the quote, it was, of course, from Michele.

No worries :))

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Re: [LegacyUG] Race

[Ron Ferguson]

Sorry, Charani, I misattributed the quote, it was, of course, from Michele.

Ron Ferguson
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-Original Message-
From: Charani
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 9:25 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race

Michele Lewis wrote:
> I could make an event but that would be weird.  Your race isn't an event
> in your life.  For now I am just writing it in the notes so that I know to
> take race into consideration when I am searching for records.  Since
> census records always contain race I am surprised Legacy hasn't added a
> field for that.

The advantage of using the Events/Facts dialog box for stating
important facts, such as race/nationality, is that it's there as soon
as you open that person's record: no having to remember it or hunt
around for it.

I rarely use it except for such important events and/or facts.

--
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Greinton and Clutton, SOM
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Re: [LegacyUG] Race

[Ron Ferguson]

Charani,

If I may correct you, your statement "Since census records always contain
race" should read Since U.S.A. census records always contain race".

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Charani
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 9:25 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race

Michele Lewis wrote:
> I could make an event but that would be weird.  Your race isn't an event
> in your life.  For now I am just writing it in the notes so that I know to
> take race into consideration when I am searching for records.  Since
> census records always contain race I am surprised Legacy hasn't added a
> field for that.

The advantage of using the Events/Facts dialog box for stating
important facts, such as race/nationality, is that it's there as soon
as you open that person's record: no having to remember it or hunt
around for it.

I rarely use it except for such important events and/or facts.

--
Charani (UK)
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Greinton and Clutton, SOM
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Re: [LegacyUG] no Subscription

[Teresa Heple]

I just subscribed and had no problems with the auto response link. And I'm 
getting posts.

Sent from my iPhone

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> I have not used the subscription form in a while but when we originally
> moved to the current list management software there was an
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> their subscription. That had a terrible failure rate because the link
> that was sent frequently split over multiple lines and did not work for
> some email clients or had an extra space inserted that made the link
> invalid for many users.
>
> I do not know if they are still sending out the auto-responses but I
> have not seen the complaints about broken links on this list for a long
> time. The frequency of the complaints about not receiving emails is much
> less than those about broken links.
>
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>> Brian,
>> Since this subscription issue occurs frequently would it be possible to have 
>> an autoresponder to verify the new subscription?
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Race

[Jenny M Benson]

> I was very careful to use the term "Fact/Event" because at the head of
> the "Event list" Legacy actually uses the term "Events/Facts" and the
> first field on the entry screen is Event/Fact.  My reversal of the words
> was accidental, but appropriate in this case.  If you look at the list
> of default Events/Fact you will see that many of them are more
> appropriately called Facts than Events.
>

I meant to add that you can include the Ethnicity (or whatever)
Fact/Event on the Family View if you so wish, in place of one of the
standard fields.

I choose to show Born, Baptised, Died, Buried and Death Cause, but
Ethnicity would probably be a preferable choice to Death Cause if I had
a lot of people in my tree of varying ethnicities.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Race

[Runolfson]

You need to be careful not to confuse place of birth and race. I have
friends that were born in and their families lived several generations in Africa
 but are Caucasians, and others that are black but lived in Asia. You can
get too  caught up in Political Correctness and loose accuracy, as well as
give  misleading information.

Bill



In a message dated 7/5/2012 12:13:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ancestor...@gmail.com writes:
I could make an event but that would be  weird.  Your race isn't an event
in your life.  For now I am just  writing it in the notes so that I know to
take race into consideration when I am  searching for records.  Since census
records always contain race I am  surprised Legacy hasn't added a field for
that.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Jenny M  Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:38  PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG]  Race

On 05/07/2012 19:28, Michele Lewis wrote:
> I just realized  there is no place in Legacy to record a person’s
> race (or is  there?)  I just received a marriage license in the mail
> from  Forrest County, MS on one of my relatives.  The marriage came
> from  one of the “Colored” marriage books.  When I requested the
>  marriage I had no idea that the man she married was black.  Lucky for
> me the clerk in Forrest County was smart enough to check the
>  “Colored” books when she didn’t find the marriage in the white
>  marriage book.  I looked for this man right away in the WWI draft
>  cards and I did find him (listed as black). However, if I hadn’t
> done  any more research on his for months I might have forgotten he was
> black  and missed records discounted certain records because of race.
> If  there isn’t a place to record race (if there is I couldn’t find
it) it would  be nice if there was.

You could create a custom Fact/Event to cover  this.

--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Race

[Michele Lewis]

For the time being I will play around with it and see if I can get it worded 
like I like.  I might make a suggestion too :)

Hugs...
Michele



-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:30 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race

But it's a "fact" note the list is titled Events/Facts.

Not everything in the census is in Legacy - and don't forget, the census 
records from other countries probably have different information than those in 
the US. Plus each US census is different.

There aren't fields for schooling, literacy, occupation, etc.

I would say most people abstract everything beyond the vitals into the data 
into the Notes, either the Census Source Text field or the Event Notes field.

If you want to submit a Suggestion form, we can pass that on to the programmers.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Michele Lewis  wrote:
> I could make an event but that would be weird.  Your race isn't an event in 
> your life.  For now I am just writing it in the notes so that I know to take 
> race into consideration when I am searching for records.  Since census 
> records always contain race I am surprised Legacy hasn't added a field for 
> that.
>
> Michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Race

[Sherry/Support]

But it's a "fact" note the list is titled Events/Facts.

Not everything in the census is in Legacy - and don't forget, the
census records from other countries probably have different
information than those in the US. Plus each US census is different.

There aren't fields for schooling, literacy, occupation, etc.

I would say most people abstract everything beyond the vitals into the
data into the Notes, either the Census Source Text field or the Event
Notes field.

If you want to submit a Suggestion form, we can pass that on to the programmers.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Michele Lewis  wrote:
> I could make an event but that would be weird.  Your race isn't an event in 
> your life.  For now I am just writing it in the notes so that I know to take 
> race into consideration when I am searching for records.  Since census 
> records always contain race I am surprised Legacy hasn't added a field for 
> that.
>
> Michele



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RE: [LegacyUG] Race

[Michele Lewis]

No problem there.  I call the person's race whatever the document says they are 
at that time period.  In the case of the marriage it would be colored.  On his 
WWI draft card he was black.  I can't find him in the census records so who 
knows there.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:06 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race

I would suggest using the term "Ethnicity" as that would cover all backgrounds 
besides just Caucasian, African, Asian, etc.  Scottish, French, etc would be 
covered under ethnicity.

And please don't make the mistake of calling just *any* person of African 
descent as "African-American".  A black person who was born and raised and 
lives in Africa, England or any other country is *not* an "African-American" 


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:
> On 05/07/2012 19:28, Michele Lewis wrote:
>> I just realized there is no place in Legacy to record a person's race



> You could create a custom Fact/Event to cover this.
>
> --
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RE: [LegacyUG] Race

[Michele Lewis]

I could make an event but that would be weird.  Your race isn't an event in 
your life.  For now I am just writing it in the notes so that I know to take 
race into consideration when I am searching for records.  Since census records 
always contain race I am surprised Legacy hasn't added a field for that.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race

On 05/07/2012 19:28, Michele Lewis wrote:
> I just realized there is no place in Legacy to record a person’s
> race (or is there?)  I just received a marriage license in the mail
> from Forrest County, MS on one of my relatives.  The marriage came
> from one of the “Colored” marriage books.  When I requested the
> marriage I had no idea that the man she married was black.  Lucky for
> me the clerk in Forrest County was smart enough to check the
> “Colored” books when she didn’t find the marriage in the white
> marriage book.  I looked for this man right away in the WWI draft
> cards and I did find him (listed as black). However, if I hadn’t
> done any more research on his for months I might have forgotten he was
> black and missed records discounted certain records because of race.
> If there isn’t a place to record race (if there is I couldn’t find it) it 
> would be nice if there was.

You could create a custom Fact/Event to cover this.

--
Jenny M Benson





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Re: [LegacyUG] Race

[Sherry/Support]

I would suggest using the term "Ethnicity" as that would cover all
backgrounds besides just Caucasian, African, Asian, etc.  Scottish,
French, etc would be covered under ethnicity.

And please don't make the mistake of calling just *any* person of
African descent as "African-American".  A black person who was born
and raised and lives in Africa, England or any other country is *not*
an "African-American" 


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:
> On 05/07/2012 19:28, Michele Lewis wrote:
>> I just realized there is no place in Legacy to record a person's race



> You could create a custom Fact/Event to cover this.
>
> --
> Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Count of names wrong?

[Sherry/Support]

First, back upo the Family File (File > Backup Family File) and run
FIle > FIle Maintenance > Check/Repair.

Also, your last RIN may be higher than the count because you have
abandoned RINs. You can fix that by going to Tools > Renumber RINs.
That will fill in the missing RINs and your numbers will match.


Sincerely,
Sherry
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Scott Hall  wrote:
> My Legacy file contains 15,275 names.  However, I notice that when I pull up
> the name list, the count at the top says 15,274.  It also shows 15,274 under
> general information.
>
> But I can prove the 15,275.  When opening FamilySearch, it shows all 15,275.
> Also, if I download the name list (the one that LFT claims has 15,274 names)
> to an Excel file, and count the rows, its 15,275.  So, it seems odd that
> Legacy is subtracting 1 when doing the count.
>
> Anyone see this phenomenon before?  Any thoughts on the problem or how to
> correct it?
>
> Scott
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Count of names wrong?

[Eric Wiggers]

Perhaps related:
After I 'Create Web Pages', the count shown on the 'Surname List' web page is 
always one less than the number
of individuals shown on the 'pop-up' at the completion of the web page 
generation, also one less than shown
when using the 'Help > About Legacy > General'.

Eric

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Hall" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Count of names wrong?


My Legacy file contains 15,275 names.  However, I notice that when I pull
up the name list, the count at the top says 15,274.  It also shows 15,274
under general information.

But I can prove the 15,275.  When opening FamilySearch, it shows all
15,275.  Also, if I download the name list (the one that LFT claims has
15,274 names) to an Excel file, and count the rows, its 15,275.  So, it
seems odd that Legacy is subtracting 1 when doing the count.

Anyone see this phenomenon before?  Any thoughts on the problem or how to
correct it?

Scott




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Re: [LegacyUG] Race

[Jenny M Benson]

On 05/07/2012 19:28, Michele Lewis wrote:
> I just realized there is no place in Legacy to record a person’s race
> (or is there?)  I just received a marriage license in the mail from
> Forrest County, MS on one of my relatives.  The marriage came from one
> of the “Colored” marriage books.  When I requested the marriage I had no
> idea that the man she married was black.  Lucky for me the clerk in
> Forrest County was smart enough to check the “Colored” books when she
> didn’t find the marriage in the white marriage book.  I looked for this
> man right away in the WWI draft cards and I did find him (listed as
> black). However, if I hadn’t done any more research on his for months I
> might have forgotten he was black and missed records discounted certain
> records because of race.  If there isn’t a place to record race (if
> there is I couldn’t find it) it would be nice if there was.

You could create a custom Fact/Event to cover this.

--
Jenny M Benson





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Re: [LegacyUG] Count of names wrong?

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

Unless you have scrolled from 1 to 15275, you don't KNOW if every number is 
there. You may have deleted (accidently) someone in the past, explaining the 
count difference. Happened to me. I found my error, and gave up trying to 'fix' 
the count.
Rich in LA CA



 From: Scott Hall 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 10:27 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Count of names wrong?


My Legacy file contains 15,275 names.  However, I notice that when I pull up 
the name list, the count at the top says 15,274.  It also shows 15,274 under 
general information.

But I can prove the 15,275.  When opening FamilySearch, it shows all 15,275.  
Also, if I download the name list (the one that LFT claims has 15,274 names) to 
an Excel file, and count the rows, its 15,275.  So, it seems odd that Legacy is 
subtracting 1 when doing the count.

Anyone see this phenomenon before?  Any thoughts on the problem or how to 
correct it?

Scott

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RE: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel - slightly off topic

[Michele Lewis]

I want to see it too!



Michele





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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 10:04 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel - slightly off topic



Not sure if I'm off topic or not, as this references Rootsweb pages on 
Ancestry, but Sherry has suggested Richard submit this as an enhancement to 
Legacy.  This table sounds as though it would be useful, but I can't find it on 
the Rootsweb pages.  Would you be able to point me at it?  Marianne




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RE: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel - slightly off topic

[mbstx]

Not sure if I'm off topic or not, as this references Rootsweb pages on Ancestry, but Sherry has suggested Richard submit this as an enhancement to Legacy.  This table sounds as though it would be useful, but I can't find it on the Rootsweb pages.  Would you be able to point me at it?  Marianne-Original Message-
From: Richard and Evita Piepho 
Sent: Jul 4, 2012 7:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel





Sherry..maybe I used the wrong word... looking for a Ahnentafel Table with 2 columns one for the Paternal line and the other for the Maternal line with the Ahnentafel numbering system with a divisional name of Parents 2 & 3   then Grandparents 4 & 5 in one column and 6 & 7 in the other column.  a very useful over view at the beginning of each family listing.  I love Legacy, but that Table would be most helpful.  Emily Anne Croom in her book Unpuzzling Your Past has a good example -- also check ancestry.com on their rootsweb freepages it shows the table that would be helpful for a quick overview of ancestors. thank you much Richard From: she...@legacyfamilytree.comDate: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:24:53 -0700Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] AhnentafelTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.comTake a look at the chart on the Ancestor tab in Reports.  That's basic names, dates and locations. What you're referring to is the book report, which is much larger. 

Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree 
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Richard and Evita Piepho  wrote:





Ok I see what you meanI can use it but will have to manually make my own chart... it will help...take the name index as hard copy; write in the Ahnentafel number; and then make my chart; etc I wanted to get away from make 29 pages when a chart would do for 3 or 4 pages ...when I send to my brother just that part of the report is 27 pages and my son-in-law it is 29 pages and that is without the notes; and with notes it runs over 100 pages for both.  It would be nice if you created in the reports, Charts. Thank you 

 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence definitions reset to default...No!!!

[Brian Lehman]

Thanks Sherry,
It was in front of me all the time.
Take Care,
Brian



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Re: [LegacyUG] English pound symbol

[Alan Eade]

I am still using version 5, and any added characters will go to the
beginning, i.e. left hand of ribbon, however if you click the curser to the
right end, OR in the middle, the desired character will appear where the
curser is, also you can copy and paste the required characters in whatever
order you want (even characters from another source, but only if they are on
the chart). e.g. £ will paste but € (euro) will not

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel

[Sherry/Support]

I've never seen anything like that.  Please submit a suggestion -
there's a "Suggest a New Feature" link in Legacy in the Support
section of the Legacy home tab or on our website
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > Help Center > Make a Suggestion.  It's the
same form, just different ways of accessing it.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Richard and Evita Piepho
 wrote:
> Sherry..maybe I used the wrong word... looking for a Ahnentafel Table with 2
> columns one for the Paternal line and the other for the Maternal line with
> the Ahnentafel numbering system with a divisional name of Parents 2 & 3
> then Grandparents 4 & 5 in one column and 6 & 7 in the other column.  a very
> useful over view at the beginning of each family listing.  I love Legacy,
> but that Table would be most helpful.  Emily Anne Croom in her book
> Unpuzzling Your Past has a good example -- also check ancestry.com on their
> rootsweb freepages it shows the table that would be helpful for a quick
> overview of ancestors. thank you much Richard
>
> 
> From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:24:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>
> Take a look at the chart on the Ancestor tab in Reports.  That's basic
> names, dates and locations.
>
> What you're referring to is the book report, which is much larger.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree



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Re: [LegacyUG] Move to a previous version

[Colin Liddell]

Sorry Ron, I neglected to pass on that caveat.

Colin.


- Original Message -
From: "Ron Ferguson" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Move to a previous version


Yes, Colin, you can. But do not forget that you may well not have a complete
transfer of all you settings.

For example Source Writer format will be lost, some privacy settings may be
lost, it is by no means a perfect transfer.

If the OP indicates why this transfer is wanted, maybe more constructive
help can be given.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

"Colin Liddell"  wrote:

>Aaah..but you can make a Gedcom of your present file then install the
>version of Legacy you want and then import the gedcom file into that.
>
>Colin.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Jenny M Benson" 
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 7:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Move to a previous version
>
>
>> On 04/07/2012 06:49, A. J. Rawls wrote:
>>> How do we go back to a previous version of legacy?
>>
>> When you upgrade from one version to the next you are warned that
>> changes will be made to your Family File which mean that it will no
>> longer be usable in the older version of the program.
>>
>> --
>> Jenny M Benson
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence definitions reset to default...No!!!

[Sherry/Support]

Brian,

Just deselect the Event Definitions option in the cleanup window.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Brian Lehman  wrote:
> Hello All,
> Now that I am beginning to write my own sentence definitions, I'm
> wondering about something.
> When I run the Master List Clean Up, a window opens, asking me "If I
> would like to reset all Event Sentences to their default wording?".
> In the past, my sentences were default, and I tried to always answer No
> to this question, however in my rush at times I answered Yes.
> I imagine that would have returned to default any custom sentences I had
> written.
> Is there a setting to always answer No, to returning event definitions
> to their default?
> After writing sentence definitions, I wouldn't want to loose them by
> accident
> I checked the help index, but didn't see a reference.
> Thank you for your assistance,
> Brian Lehman
>



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[LegacyUG] Sentence definitions reset to default...No!!!

[Brian Lehman]

Hello All,
Now that I am beginning to write my own sentence definitions, I'm
wondering about something.
When I run the Master List Clean Up, a window opens, asking me "If I
would like to reset all Event Sentences to their default wording?".
In the past, my sentences were default, and I tried to always answer No
to this question, however in my rush at times I answered Yes.
I imagine that would have returned to default any custom sentences I had
written.
Is there a setting to always answer No, to returning event definitions
to their default?
After writing sentence definitions, I wouldn't want to loose them by
accident
I checked the help index, but didn't see a reference.
Thank you for your assistance,
Brian Lehman




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Re: [LegacyUG] no Subscription

[Brian/Support]

I have not used the subscription form in a while but when we originally
moved to the current list management software there was an
auto-responder that had the user click a link in the reply to validate
their subscription. That had a terrible failure rate because the link
that was sent frequently split over multiple lines and did not work for
some email clients or had an extra space inserted that made the link
invalid for many users.

I do not know if they are still sending out the auto-responses but I
have not seen the complaints about broken links on this list for a long
time. The frequency of the complaints about not receiving emails is much
less than those about broken links.

Brian
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> Brian,
> Since this subscription issue occurs frequently would it be possible to have 
> an autoresponder to verify the new subscription?
>
> Larry Lee
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Re: [LegacyUG] Search for problem in dates --

[Brian/Support]

But there are only 10 save locations, Tim seems to have found a way
around that limitation.

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On 05/07/2012 04:18, Mike Fry wrote:
> On 2012/07/05 03:47, Anne Hollingshead wrote:
>
>> How do you have "twelve different saved ways" ?
>
>
>> On 5/07/2012 6:16 AM, Tim Rosenlof wrote:
>
>>> On the "Index" tab, I rename most all the columns to what I wish. I have
>>> twelve different saved ways. Just click on the column heading and have
>>> fun. I gather all sorts of information.
>
> Look at the Options button and then the Customise Columns option. There, 
> you'll
> discover two further buttons labelled Save and Load. These allow you to save a
> particular collection of columns (content and order) for reuse at a later 
> date.
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Re: [LegacyUG] English pound symbol

[Brian/Support]

Click in the box to position the cursor where you want to insert the
next character.
Double click on a character and it will be inserted in the list at the
cursor location.

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On 04/07/2012 22:22, Wm Voss wrote:
> So how do you add characters to the end? I can not. If I have a full
> strip (or any portion thereof) and add a new character, it is added at
> the head of the list -- as it has been since the ribbon function was
> added to Legacy nearly a decade ago. I have just tried this in v5, v6,
> v7, beta and gp. It works the same every time: each new character, as
> stated, bumps off the last in line.
>
> This does not, from the OP's latest post, appear to be the issue, however.
>
> Wm Voss



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Re: [LegacyUG] English pound symbol

[Pat Hickin]

Yes, I am using default fonts.

Pat

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Wm Voss  wrote:

> Are you using default fonts?
>
> Wm Voss
>
> On 04-Jul-12 7:08 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
> > The only other symbol I have is the copyright symbol -- there used to
> > be more -- I don't know what happened to them!Â
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Brian/Support
> > mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com>> wrote:
> >
> > No! Only the first 8 characters in the box appear. If you add
> > characters
> > to the end they will not show. If you are adding characters at the
> > beginning of the box then your statement is correct.
> >
> > Brian
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> > On 04/07/2012 20:20, Wm Voss wrote:
> > > That is not how it works, Brian. You can continue to add
> > characters, but
> > > each new one will push the oldest one off the list. If the pound
> > symbol
> > > is the last entered and does not show, then it is broken.
> > >
> > > Wm Voss
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Search for problem in dates --

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/07/05 03:47, Anne Hollingshead wrote:

> How do you have "twelve different saved ways" ?


> On 5/07/2012 6:16 AM, Tim Rosenlof wrote:

>> On the "Index" tab, I rename most all the columns to what I wish. I have
>> twelve different saved ways. Just click on the column heading and have
>> fun. I gather all sorts of information.

Look at the Options button and then the Customise Columns option. There, you'll
discover two further buttons labelled Save and Load. These allow you to save a
particular collection of columns (content and order) for reuse at a later date.

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Re: [LegacyUG] no Subscription

[Larry]

Brian,
Since this subscription issue occurs frequently would it be possible to have an 
autoresponder to verify the new subscription?

Larry Lee

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>I have forwarded this message to the person who manages our mailing lists.
>
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>On 04/07/2012 18:42, Lynda wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I requested and later verified that I had requested
>>a subscription to the group.
>>
>> Thus far, I have received nothing via email.
>> Can this be double checked?
>>
>> thank you, Lynda Brittain
>> l...@cox.net
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