Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

[Colin Liddell]

Brian,

I too am concerned about the way the attitude to privacy is going and I agree 
with your comments.
I helped a person on one of the Lists I am on with a phone number and address 
out of the phone book and was then attacked by another list member for putting 
it on the List.
The person who critised me argued that I had invaded their 
privacy...what a load of rubbish, the phone book is the public arena 
for all to read and it is online too.
If you want privacy, don't put your name in the phone book, don't put you 
engagement, marriage death or your children's births in the paper.
My daughter is a police officer and she laughs when I tell her about the way 
privacy is affecting family research, especially with birth certificates etc. 
She said that in all the cases she has dealt with concerning fraud and identity 
theft, not one had been obtained through family research. She said there were 
much better and easier ways to obtain the information, I know as I used to be 
in the job too.
Just my two cents worth.

Colin.


- Original Message -
  From: Brian L. Lightfoot
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 2:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building


  I think this bottle has been passed around many times before. As many of the 
other replies may so indicate, the choice of “Living” over the actual name 
seems to be the politically correct answer. But as what little hair I have left 
grows more grey and my eyes get dimmer, I find myself pondering this over and 
over myself. I can certainly understand omitting just about all details about a 
living person but why is it not prudent to just show their names?



  Before you answer, consider that their birth is a matter of public record, 
there was probably a newspaper publication naming their parents when they were 
born, probably a wedding announcement giving names of parents, siblings, and 
other relatives published in their local city and elsewhere. Their names are 
easily found by looking in the white pages of a phone book which not only gives 
the phone number but their residential address. Even if you’re not sure of the 
exact names of children then a quick click and visit to Spokeo.com reveals 
quite a bit about the parents including the names of their children.



  My point is that all this information is readily available and open to the 
public but for some reason the direction that genealogy has taken in the past 
20 years is to hide even their names. Someone tell me why and please do it 
without using the word “privacy” because their lives have all been public so 
far. Just wondering.



  Brian in CA









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RE: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

[Lee Bruch]

Further, a practical and safety matter:
In an ideal world there would not be identity theft. But it is getting 
relatively common. To have names associated with the family background is one 
of the strong tools a identity thief could use. Genealogy sites are known as 
one of the potential easy sources of private information. A thief could, of 
course, amass the info in other ways, but ... if one were to follow that logic, 
everything about a person, would be public because "if might be gotten 
elsewhere so why bother safeguarding it".

And further, an ethical matter:
Does not an individual deserve the right of privacy, especially regarding their 
identity? It seems to me as if the minimum one could do is to at least ask 
their permission before exposing their name on a public family tree.

And even further, a legal matter:
I don't know the law in all states nor nations. But it wouldn't surprise me if 
some nations, such as some countries in Western Europe had restrictions on 
that. Though again, I don't know

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:32 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

The information is only publicly available if someone already knows a name. Why 
make it easier for the snoops by giving out the names? Anyone born after about 
1900 can still have living children. My grandmother born in 1899 does.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 10/28/2012 9:57 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
> I think this bottle has been passed around many times before. As many
> of the other replies may so indicate, the choice of “Living” over
> the actual name seems to be the politically correct answer. But as
> what little hair I have left grows more grey and my eyes get dimmer, I
> find myself pondering this over and over myself. I can certainly
> understand omitting just about all details about a living person but
> why is it not prudent to just show their names?
>
> Before you answer, consider that their birth is a matter of public
> record, there was probably a newspaper publication naming their
> parents when they were born, probably a wedding announcement giving
> names of parents, siblings, and other relatives published in their
> local city and elsewhere. Their names are easily found by looking in
> the white pages of a phone book which not only gives the phone number
> but their residential address. Even if you’re not sure of the exact
> names of children then a quick click and visit to Spokeo.com reveals
> quite a bit about the parents including the names of their children.
>
> My point is that all this information is readily available and open to
> the public but for some reason the direction that genealogy has taken
> in the past 20 years is to hide even their names. Someone tell me why
> and please do it without using the word “privacy” because their
> lives have all been public so far. Just wondering.
>
> Brian in CA
>
> *From:*Richard Falzini [mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com]




> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been up dating my web site I have made with Legacy, and at the
> current moment I do not list names, birth dates, marriage dates, etc.
>
> of any living individuals.
>
> when the name of a living person should be displayed it says LIVING.
>
> I wanted to ask should I keep my site like that, or would it be ok to
> show the name such as Richard Falzini but suppress all personal data
> from the viewers of my site?
>
> I look forward to all input regarding my question
>
> Thanks
>
> Rich








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Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

[JLB]

The information is only publicly available if someone already knows a
name. Why make it easier for the snoops by giving out the names? Anyone
born after about 1900 can still have living children. My grandmother
born in 1899 does.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 10/28/2012 9:57 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
> I think this bottle has been passed around many times before. As many of
> the other replies may so indicate, the choice of “Living” over the
> actual name seems to be the politically correct answer. But as what
> little hair I have left grows more grey and my eyes get dimmer, I find
> myself pondering this over and over myself. I can certainly understand
> omitting just about all details about a living person but why is it not
> prudent to just show their names?
>
> Before you answer, consider that their birth is a matter of public
> record, there was probably a newspaper publication naming their parents
> when they were born, probably a wedding announcement giving names of
> parents, siblings, and other relatives published in their local city and
> elsewhere. Their names are easily found by looking in the white pages of
> a phone book which not only gives the phone number but their residential
> address. Even if you’re not sure of the exact names of children then a
> quick click and visit to Spokeo.com reveals quite a bit about the
> parents including the names of their children.
>
> My point is that all this information is readily available and open to
> the public but for some reason the direction that genealogy has taken in
> the past 20 years is to hide even their names. Someone tell me why and
> please do it without using the word “privacy” because their lives have
> all been public so far. Just wondering.
>
> Brian in CA
>
> *From:*Richard Falzini [mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:56 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been up dating my web site I have made with Legacy, and at the
> current moment I do not list names, birth dates, marriage dates, etc.
>
> of any living individuals.
>
> when the name of a living person should be displayed it says LIVING.
>
> I wanted to ask should I keep my site like that, or would it be ok to
> show the name such as Richard Falzini but suppress all personal data
> from the viewers of my site?
>
> I look forward to all input regarding my question
>
> Thanks
>
> Rich
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

[Ron Ferguson]

Rich,

I'm afraid not. All you can do for those who decline permission is to mark 
them, individually, as Private should you wish to include names where allowed, 
or otherwise continue as you are with all the living marked as such.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


"Richard Falzini"  wrote:

>Maybe what I want to say is can I edit my site to show names only for people 
>who wish this, and keep private for those who do not?
>
>Perhaps you can suggest the settings for me?
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
>>
>> From: Ron Ferguson 
>>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building
>>
>>
>>
>>Lee,
>> 
>>Thanks for pointing this out, I should have
>mentioned that I do ask for consent for publishing names of living people, if
>they decline I mark them “Private” – personal choice – I do not like pages of
>“Living”. If I don’t know, or cannot contact, a person who may still be living,
>then I omit them completely.
>> 
>>Ron Ferguson
>>http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>> 
>> 
>>From: Lee Bruch
>>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 11:06 PM
>>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website
>building
>>  IMHO: 
>Suppress all names and information for living except for those who have given
>you explicit (&written) permission to list them
>>  
>>From:Richard Falzini
>[mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:56
>PM
>>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>>Subject: [LegacyUG]
>Question regarding website building
>> 
>>
>>  
>>when the name of a living
>person should be displayed it says LIVING.
>>  
>>I
>wanted to ask should I keep my site like that, or would it be ok to show the
>name such as Richard Falzini but suppress all personal data from the viewers of
>my site?
>>  
>>I
>look forward to all input regarding my question
>>  
>>Thanks
>>  
>>Rich
>>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Source List Names

[Brett McL Robinson]

Hi. Further to below, if you use names that are "structured" so that
similar sources are grouped together it helps, eg

Census 1841 Scotland
Census 1841 England and Wales
Census 1851 Scotland
etc.
The words are sequenced from the general to the particular.

Cheers, Brett

B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand

On 28/10/2012 8:50 a.m., Pat Hickin wrote:
> Jenny wrote: "Give the Source a name which is meaningful to you and the
> chances are you will remember it."
>
> Well, that's the point -- it doesn't seem to have anything to do with
> wills or the military & how Annap, MD, or the WM Qu got involved I
> have no idea, esp as there is no date.  But that's a help -- I guess
> I'll do VA_BERK_COURT 1778 McConnell -- for lack of a better alternative.
>
> Thanks, Jenny.
>
> Pat
>
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Jenny M Benson  > wrote:
>
> On 27/10/2012 18:36, Pat Hickin wrote:
> > As a matter of curiosity, can someone tell me what âEURoeSource
> List NameâEUR
> > you would give for the citation for the event described?
> >
> > Event: Medical. âEURoe At a Court held for Berkeley County, [VA]
> the 21st
> > day of April, 1778. Present:   William Patterson, John Murron,
> Thomas
> > Hite, Gentlemen Justices. . . . . âEURoeUpon the motion of William
> > Henshaw, Elizabeth Tabb, William McConnell, [and others] hath leave
> > to Inoculate their families for the small-pox in their own
> houses.âEUR
> >
> >
> > I got the above info from at following link:
> > http://files.usgwarchives.org/wv/berkeley/court/misc.txt
> >
> > which takes you to this source:
> >
> > Soldiers of Berkeley County, W. Va.; Abstracts from Will Books at
> > Annapolis, MD William and Mary College Quarterly, Volume 13, No. 1
> > Transcribed by Kathy Merrill for the USGenWeb Archives Special
> > Collections Project
> >
> > (which you can get to from this main website: Berkeley County West
> > Virginia>Transcribed Documents.)
> >
> > (In my family file, I cite this source just ONE time.)
> >
>
> I don't think it matters what the Event is, what is important is that
> YOU can find the Source in your list by remembering what Source List
> Name you gave it.  So, if you think of that Source what are the first
> words you think of to describe it?  Will Books?  William & Mary
> College
> Quarterly?  Give the Source a name which is meaningful to you and the
> chances are you will remember it.
> --
> Jenny M Benson
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

[Richard Falzini]

Maybe what I want to say is can I edit my site to show names only for people 
who wish this, and keep private for those who do not?

Perhaps you can suggest the settings for me?

Thanks



>
> From: Ron Ferguson 
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:43 PM
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building
>
>
>
>Lee,
> 
>Thanks for pointing this out, I should have
mentioned that I do ask for consent for publishing names of living people, if
they decline I mark them “Private” – personal choice – I do not like pages of
“Living”. If I don’t know, or cannot contact, a person who may still be living,
then I omit them completely.
> 
>Ron Ferguson
>http://www.fergys.co.uk/
> 
> 
>From: Lee Bruch
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 11:06 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website
building
>  IMHO: 
Suppress all names and information for living except for those who have given
you explicit (&written) permission to list them
>  
>From:Richard Falzini
[mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:56
PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: [LegacyUG]
Question regarding website building
> 
>
>  
>when the name of a living
person should be displayed it says LIVING.
>  
>I
wanted to ask should I keep my site like that, or would it be ok to show the
name such as Richard Falzini but suppress all personal data from the viewers of
my site?
>  
>I
look forward to all input regarding my question
>  
>Thanks
>  
>Rich
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

[Richard Falzini]

I have been asking for permission from family, however in the create web page 
section I click the "other" tab where it gives the option to suppress details 
or change to living.

Is there a way I use that feature for the one's i have not gotten consent from 
and for the one's I did just show there names 






>
> From: Ron Ferguson 
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:43 PM
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building
>
>
>
>Lee,
> 
>Thanks for pointing this out, I should have
mentioned that I do ask for consent for publishing names of living people, if
they decline I mark them “Private” – personal choice – I do not like pages of
“Living”. If I don’t know, or cannot contact, a person who may still be living,
then I omit them completely.
> 
>Ron Ferguson
>http://www.fergys.co.uk/
> 
> 
>From: Lee Bruch
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 11:06 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website
building
>  IMHO: 
Suppress all names and information for living except for those who have given
you explicit (&written) permission to list them
>  
>From:Richard Falzini
[mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:56
PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: [LegacyUG]
Question regarding website building
> 
>
>  
>when the name of a living
person should be displayed it says LIVING.
>  
>I
wanted to ask should I keep my site like that, or would it be ok to show the
name such as Richard Falzini but suppress all personal data from the viewers of
my site?
>  
>I
look forward to all input regarding my question
>  
>Thanks
>  
>Rich
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Brian/Support]

Lynda,

Not all programs support the use of Alternate Names as Legacy does. In
those programs you will usually see the effect you report. The last name
included in the GEDCOM replaces any earlier names.

Legacy contains a feature to avoid the problem you have. To keep Legacy
from exporting alternate names click on the customize button on the
GEDCOM Export screen. You can exclude Alternate names on that customize
screen.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
--

On 28/10/2012 14:58, Lynda SoRelle wrote:
snip
>
> One interesting note, when I upload this gedcom to FTDNA, all of the people 
> that
> have an alternate name in the Alternate Names button on the family page
> overrides the Given and Surname field when it is uploaded. An example is Sarah
> Smith (with alternate name of Sally) shows as only Sally with no last name. I 
> am
> having to go through and delete that info from each person's page if I want
> their name to display correctly.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Lynda
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Brian/Support]

The duplication of the Alt-C action letters for both Close and Cancel is
recorded as a problem in our problem reporting system. Only one button
should have the underlined C and the action of that button should be
executed when you use Alt-C.

Brian
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On 28/10/2012 14:34, Pat Hickin wrote:
> After I use the Master Source List and want to close it, I do an AltC for "*
> C*lose" and that just moves the cursor down to the next option, "*C*ancel."
> If I do an AltC again, the cursor moves back up to the "Close" option.  In
> either case, the Master Source List remains open (there is no "*S*ave"
> option).  I could sit here all day doing "AltC" & with the cursor moving up
> and down and the Master Source List remaining open.
>
> I really do not understand the reason for this arrangement and wish
> somebody would explain it to me.
>
> Pat



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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[R G Strong-genes]

Pat,
That’s because there is nothing to save. AltC does that because both buttons 
are programmed to do the same thing which is close the List window. So after 
you do AltC then hit enter when the button is highlighted. The window will 
close.
From: Pat Hickin
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:34 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

After I use the Master Source List and want to close it, I do an AltC for 
"Close" and that just moves the cursor down to the next option, "Cancel."  If I 
do an AltC again, the cursor moves back up to the "Close" option.  In either 
case, the Master Source List remains open (there is no "Save" option).  I could 
sit here all day doing "AltC" & with the cursor moving up and down and the 
Master Source List remaining open.

I really do not understand the reason for this arrangement and wish somebody 
would explain it to me.

Pat


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Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

[Ron Ferguson]

Rich,

Your choice. Have a look in the Ancestry section of my website. You can start 
with me at http://www.fergys.co.uk/genealogy/1.php Last time I checked I was 
still living, but I don't use that option, I simply suppress the data. You can 
then see whether you prefer my way or the one which you currently use.
Ron Ferguson
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GOONS #5307


"Richard Falzini"  wrote:

>Hello,
> I have been up dating my web site I have made with Legacy, and at the 
>current moment I do not list names, birth dates, marriage dates, etc.
>of any living individuals.
>
>
>when the name of a living person should be displayed it says LIVING.
>
>I wanted to ask should I keep my site like that, or would it be ok to show the 
>name such as Richard Falzini but suppress all personal data from the viewers 
>of my site?
>
>I look forward to all input regarding my question
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Rich


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[LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

[Richard Falzini]

Hello,
 I have been up dating my web site I have made with Legacy, and at the 
current moment I do not list names, birth dates, marriage dates, etc.
of any living individuals.


when the name of a living person should be displayed it says LIVING.

I wanted to ask should I keep my site like that, or would it be ok to show the 
name such as Richard Falzini but suppress all personal data from the viewers of 
my site?

I look forward to all input regarding my question

Thanks


Rich



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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Don Hendershot]

Thanks for the additional insight!  I understand.  I'm not elated but ... what 
can you do?

~Don


On Oct 28, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Ron Ferguson  wrote:

> Absolutely correct, Dave.
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
> GOONS #5307
>
>
> "Dave Naylor"  wrote:
>
>> On 28 Oct 2012  Don Hendershot wrote:
>>
>>> I can't help but smile.  Twenty-three steps to do this? I
>>> think you need to be standing on just your left foot, it has to
>>> be done on a Tuesday and it will only work on Dec. 21st when
>>> all the stars are in alignment. Here is an opportunity for
>>> Legacy to provide a good, new feature.  The step-by-step
>>> process to automate at least parts of this is already
>>> provided.
>>
>> Don... when Millennia first added the capability to include DNA test
>> results I made the suggestion to automate the generation of an
>> ancestral paternal-only gedcom (for Y-DNA purposes) and an ancestral
>> maternal-only gedcom (for mt-DNA purposes).  Since then there's the
>> additional need for an all-lineage ancestral gedcom (for at-DNA
>> purposes).  As is obvious, these weren't seen as desirable features
>> for Legacy.  So instead, Legacy users have to resort to using one of
>> the many add-ons or other utilities to fill this need.
>>
>> I gave up wasting my 2 cents!
>>
>> It's extremely frustrating when users on the many DNA forums ask
>> which genealogy program is the best for their use and we cannot
>> recommend Legacy for any DNA testing features.
>>
>> Cheers! -- Dave N.
>> --
>> David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada.
>> ---
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Ron Ferguson]

Lynda,

It was Ron Taylor, not myself, who sent the original method, which as you say 
is the one required for At-DNA.

Good luck with the decoding of it!!
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


"Lynda SoRelle"  wrote:

>Ron,
>
>The names were listed in the AKA box, not in quotes in the given name box 
>(which
>is usually how I list a nickname). I did not use an appropriate example for 
>what
>I place in the AKA box. I usually only put spelling variations such as
>"Bersheba" for Bathsheba or very different names that they may be known by, and
>not nicknames, in the AKA box. In this example, "Bersheba" would appear as the
>ancestors name in the FTDNA gedcom and not "Bathsheba Traylor". Bersheba was 
>not
>her nickname, just a quite frequent transcription error?
>
>I will remember to check that box the next time I export another gedcom (which 
>I
>will do soon for my daughter).
>
>I was exporting a gedcom for a Family Finder DNA test, not a Y-DNA test, and I
>did want both male and female lines included. Following the instructions you
>gave me it did include all the direct line ancestors, both male and female.
>
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Lynda
>
>
>
>
>From: Ron Ferguson 
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Sent: Sun, October 28, 2012 2:47:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors
>
>
>Lynda,
>
>You do not say where you are including the AKA “Sally” – in the AKA box or in
>quotes in the name?
>
>If the former, on Export to GEDCOM click the Customise Button and on the list
>*not* to export, at the bottom of the page, check “Alternate Names”
>
>BTW. if you read my comments to Ron Taylor these were based on the premise that
>you only required the male ancestors of your husband, since for Y-DNA the
>females play no part.
>
>Ron Ferguson
>http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
>
>From: Lynda SoRelle
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 6:58 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors
>  Ron,
>
>Thank you for your helpful info, it worked. I now have a direct line (both male
>and female lines) for my husband. My Legacy software book (older version),
>Legacy software help menu, nor online info was able to help me figure it out.
>
>One would think, with all the new DNA genealogy, that Legacy developers would
>make it easier to select lines of people (whatever their criteria) for a 
>gedcom.
>
>One interesting note, when I upload this gedcom to FTDNA, all of the people 
>that
>have an alternate name in the Alternate Names button on the family page
>overrides the Given and Surname field when it is uploaded. An example is Sarah
>Smith (with alternate name of Sally) shows as only Sally with no last name. I 
>am
>having to go through and delete that info from each person's page if I want
>their name to display correctly.
>
>Thanks again!
>
>Lynda
>
>
>
> From: Ron Taylor 
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Sent: Sat, October 27, 2012 10:32:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors
>
>
>Here's how it is done.
>1) Check the box "Enable tagging options" in
>Options>Customize>General>Tagging Options.  Click "Save".
>
>2) Navigate to the individual for whom direct line ancestry will be
>exported to a GEDCOM so that person is highlighted (called the "current   
>individual").
>3) Control-T to open the Advanced Tagging window.  It should   show the
>highlighted person from step 2 in the field just below   "Individual
>Tagging".
>4) Set the "Untag" radio button and set "Make changes on #:" to a tag 
>number that can be cleared.
>5) Next Set the "Tag" radio button, keep the "Make changes on #:" tag 
>number that was cleared in step 4.
>6) Click on the "Ancestors" button.  The individual highlighted   in step 2
>should show in the field just below "Current Individual".
>7) Enter the "Number of Generations to include" that will be   tagged.
>8) Set the "Direct Line Ancestors" radio button.
>9) If the export will be to a GEDCOM, this step is unnecessary   because 
>the
>3 boxes described will be set again at step 18.  An   export to another
>Legacy database will use the 3 boxes at this step.  Uncheck the 3 boxes just
>below that radio button titled "Include Other   Spouses", "Include
>Siblings", and "Include Spouses of Siblings".  (If   you wish to export
>complete group sheets for all the direct line   ancestors, then leave these
>3 boxes checked.)
>10) Click "OK" to have the designated ancestors tagged.
>11) Click File>Export to>GEDCOM file to open the "GEDCOM   Export" window.
>12) Click the "Privacy" tab and check the boxes as desired.  If   you want
>all private items to export, click the button "Check All" and it   will set
>all the other boxes for you.
>13) Click the "Options" tab.
>14) Select from the pull-down menu "Produce file for:" the intended   file
>format for the export.
>15) Select from the pull-down menu "

Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Lynda SoRelle]

Ron,

The names were listed in the AKA box, not in quotes in the given name box (which
is usually how I list a nickname). I did not use an appropriate example for what
I place in the AKA box. I usually only put spelling variations such as
"Bersheba" for Bathsheba or very different names that they may be known by, and
not nicknames, in the AKA box. In this example, "Bersheba" would appear as the
ancestors name in the FTDNA gedcom and not "Bathsheba Traylor". Bersheba was not
her nickname, just a quite frequent transcription error?

I will remember to check that box the next time I export another gedcom (which I
will do soon for my daughter).

I was exporting a gedcom for a Family Finder DNA test, not a Y-DNA test, and I
did want both male and female lines included. Following the instructions you
gave me it did include all the direct line ancestors, both male and female.


Thanks again,

Lynda




From: Ron Ferguson 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, October 28, 2012 2:47:50 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors


Lynda,

You do not say where you are including the AKA “Sally” – in the AKA box or in
quotes in the name?

If the former, on Export to GEDCOM click the Customise Button and on the list
*not* to export, at the bottom of the page, check “Alternate Names”

BTW. if you read my comments to Ron Taylor these were based on the premise that
you only required the male ancestors of your husband, since for Y-DNA the
females play no part.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Lynda SoRelle
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 6:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors
  Ron,

Thank you for your helpful info, it worked. I now have a direct line (both male
and female lines) for my husband. My Legacy software book (older version),
Legacy software help menu, nor online info was able to help me figure it out.

One would think, with all the new DNA genealogy, that Legacy developers would
make it easier to select lines of people (whatever their criteria) for a gedcom.

One interesting note, when I upload this gedcom to FTDNA, all of the people that
have an alternate name in the Alternate Names button on the family page
overrides the Given and Surname field when it is uploaded. An example is Sarah
Smith (with alternate name of Sally) shows as only Sally with no last name. I am
having to go through and delete that info from each person's page if I want
their name to display correctly.

Thanks again!

Lynda



 From: Ron Taylor 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sat, October 27, 2012 10:32:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors


Here's how it is done.
1) Check the box "Enable tagging options" in
Options>Customize>General>Tagging Options.  Click "Save".

2) Navigate to the individual for whom direct line ancestry will be
exported to a GEDCOM so that person is highlighted (called the "current
individual").
3) Control-T to open the Advanced Tagging window.  It should   show the
highlighted person from step 2 in the field just below   "Individual
Tagging".
4) Set the "Untag" radio button and set "Make changes on #:" to a tag  
number that can be cleared.
5) Next Set the "Tag" radio button, keep the "Make changes on #:" tag  
number that was cleared in step 4.
6) Click on the "Ancestors" button.  The individual highlighted   in step 2
should show in the field just below "Current Individual".
7) Enter the "Number of Generations to include" that will be   tagged.
8) Set the "Direct Line Ancestors" radio button.
9) If the export will be to a GEDCOM, this step is unnecessary   because the
3 boxes described will be set again at step 18.  An   export to another
Legacy database will use the 3 boxes at this step.  Uncheck the 3 boxes just
below that radio button titled "Include Other   Spouses", "Include
Siblings", and "Include Spouses of Siblings".  (If   you wish to export
complete group sheets for all the direct line   ancestors, then leave these
3 boxes checked.)
10) Click "OK" to have the designated ancestors tagged.
11) Click File>Export to>GEDCOM file to open the "GEDCOM   Export" window.
12) Click the "Privacy" tab and check the boxes as desired.  If   you want
all private items to export, click the button "Check All" and it   will set
all the other boxes for you.
13) Click the "Options" tab.
14) Select from the pull-down menu "Produce file for:" the intended   file
format for the export.
15) Select from the pull-down menu "Character Set:" the intended   character
set for the export.
16) Set or check any of the remaining options for the export.
17) Click the button "Record Selection" then set the radio button
18) Set the radio button "All records with an individual tag of:" and   the
tag number from step 5.  Then uncheck the 3 boxes that were   described in
step 9 

Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Jenny M Benson]

On 28/10/2012 18:34, Pat Hickin wrote:
> After I use the Master Source List and want to close it, I do an AltC for "*
> C*lose" and that just moves the cursor down to the next option, "*C*ancel."
> If I do an AltC again, the cursor moves back up to the "Close" option.  In
> either case, the Master Source List remains open (there is no "*S*ave"
> option).  I could sit here all day doing "AltC" & with the cursor moving up
> and down and the Master Source List remaining open.
>
> I really do not understand the reason for this arrangement and wish
> somebody would explain it to me.

It looks to me as though someone made a mistake when they selected the C
as the (underlined) selection character in both cases.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Ron Ferguson]

Absolutely correct, Dave.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


"Dave Naylor"  wrote:

>On 28 Oct 2012  Don Hendershot wrote:
>
>> I can't help but smile.  Twenty-three steps to do this? I
>> think you need to be standing on just your left foot, it has to
>> be done on a Tuesday and it will only work on Dec. 21st when
>> all the stars are in alignment. Here is an opportunity for
>> Legacy to provide a good, new feature.  The step-by-step
>> process to automate at least parts of this is already
>> provided.
>
>Don... when Millennia first added the capability to include DNA test
>results I made the suggestion to automate the generation of an
>ancestral paternal-only gedcom (for Y-DNA purposes) and an ancestral
>maternal-only gedcom (for mt-DNA purposes).  Since then there's the
>additional need for an all-lineage ancestral gedcom (for at-DNA
>purposes).  As is obvious, these weren't seen as desirable features
>for Legacy.  So instead, Legacy users have to resort to using one of
>the many add-ons or other utilities to fill this need.
>
>I gave up wasting my 2 cents!
>
>It's extremely frustrating when users on the many DNA forums ask
>which genealogy program is the best for their use and we cannot
>recommend Legacy for any DNA testing features.
>
>Cheers! -- Dave N.
>--
>  David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada.
>---


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Re: [LegacyUG] FGS Report

[Daphne Eze]

Thank you Lavern.


On 2012-10-27 05:45, Lavern Hall wrote:
> Hi Daphne,
> Thanks for the explanation and example.
> You're designing a beautiful book!
> Lavern Hall
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Daphne Eze  > wrote:
>
> A macro is programing language that is specific to a program. It
> helps you automate repetitive tasks. For instance if I want to if
> I want to apply a style to the 1st and 4th cell in multiple tables
> I will record a macro then run it on all the tables ( I might have
> 200 tables). The tables are how I set up the family group sheet.
>
> Here is a link to a pdf file of a part of the book I am working on.
> https://www.yousendit.com/download/WUJiS3hlZDU3N0QwZXNUQw
>
>
> On 2012-10-26 08:52, Lavern Hall wrote:
> @ Daphne, What does write a macro mean?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Dave Naylor]

On 28 Oct 2012  Don Hendershot wrote:

> I can't help but smile.  Twenty-three steps to do this? I
> think you need to be standing on just your left foot, it has to
> be done on a Tuesday and it will only work on Dec. 21st when
> all the stars are in alignment. Here is an opportunity for
> Legacy to provide a good, new feature.  The step-by-step
> process to automate at least parts of this is already
> provided.

Don... when Millennia first added the capability to include DNA test
results I made the suggestion to automate the generation of an
ancestral paternal-only gedcom (for Y-DNA purposes) and an ancestral
maternal-only gedcom (for mt-DNA purposes).  Since then there's the
additional need for an all-lineage ancestral gedcom (for at-DNA
purposes).  As is obvious, these weren't seen as desirable features
for Legacy.  So instead, Legacy users have to resort to using one of
the many add-ons or other utilities to fill this need.

I gave up wasting my 2 cents!

It's extremely frustrating when users on the many DNA forums ask
which genealogy program is the best for their use and we cannot
recommend Legacy for any DNA testing features.

Cheers! -- Dave N.
--
  David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada.
---




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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Ron Ferguson]

Lynda,

You do not say where you are including the AKA “Sally” – in the AKA box or in 
quotes in the name?

If the former, on Export to GEDCOM click the Customise Button and on the list 
*not* to export, at the bottom of the page, check “Alternate Names”

BTW. if you read my comments to Ron Taylor these were based on the premise that 
you only required the male ancestors of your husband, since for Y-DNA the 
females play no part.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Lynda SoRelle
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 6:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

Ron,

Thank you for your helpful info, it worked. I now have a direct line (both male 
and female lines) for my husband. My Legacy software book (older version), 
Legacy software help menu, nor online info was able to help me figure it out.

One would think, with all the new DNA genealogy, that Legacy developers would 
make it easier to select lines of people (whatever their criteria) for a gedcom.

One interesting note, when I upload this gedcom to FTDNA, all of the people 
that have an alternate name in the Alternate Names button on the family page 
overrides the Given and Surname field when it is uploaded. An example is Sarah 
Smith (with alternate name of Sally) shows as only Sally with no last name. I 
am having to go through and delete that info from each person's page if I want 
their name to display correctly.

Thanks again!

Lynda



From: Ron Taylor 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sat, October 27, 2012 10:32:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

  Here's how it is done.
  1) Check the box "Enable tagging options" in 
Options>Customize>General>Tagging Options.  Click "Save".

  2) Navigate to the individual for whom direct line ancestry will be 
exported to a GEDCOM so that person is highlighted (called the "current 
individual").
  3) Control-T to open the Advanced Tagging window.  It should show the 
highlighted person from step 2 in the field just below "Individual Tagging".
  4) Set the "Untag" radio button and set "Make changes on #:" to a tag 
number that can be cleared.
  5) Next Set the "Tag" radio button, keep the "Make changes on #:" tag 
number that was cleared in step 4.
  6) Click on the "Ancestors" button.  The individual highlighted in step 2 
should show in the field just below "Current Individual".
  7) Enter the "Number of Generations to include" that will be tagged.
  8) Set the "Direct Line Ancestors" radio button.
  9) If the export will be to a GEDCOM, this step is unnecessary because 
the 3 boxes described will be set again at step 18.  An export to another 
Legacy database will use the 3 boxes at this step.  Uncheck the 3 boxes just 
below that radio button titled "Include Other Spouses", "Include Siblings", and 
"Include Spouses of Siblings".  (If you wish to export complete group sheets 
for all the direct line ancestors, then leave these 3 boxes checked.)
  10) Click "OK" to have the designated ancestors tagged.
  11) Click File>Export to>GEDCOM file to open the "GEDCOM Export" window.
  12) Click the "Privacy" tab and check the boxes as desired.  If you want 
all private items to export, click the button "Check All" and it will set all 
the other boxes for you.
  13) Click the "Options" tab.
  14) Select from the pull-down menu "Produce file for:" the intended file 
format for the export.
  15) Select from the pull-down menu "Character Set:" the intended 
character set for the export.
  16) Set or check any of the remaining options for the export.
  17) Click the button "Record Selection" then set the radio button
  18) Set the radio button "All records with an individual tag of:" and the 
tag number from step 5.  Then uncheck the 3 boxes that were described in step 9 
or check them if desired.
  19) Click "Close".
  20) Click "Select File Name and Start Export".
  21) Enter a file name that will receive the GEDCOM exported data.
  22) Legacy will export the GEDCOM information to the file specified in 
step 21 and then display a "Message" window that shows how many individuals and 
families were exported.  Click "OK".
  23) Use the exported GEDCOM file as desired.

  Ron Taylor




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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Lynda SoRelle]

Ron,

Thank you for your helpful info, it worked. I now have a direct line (both male
and female lines) for my husband. My Legacy software book (older version),
Legacy software help menu, nor online info was able to help me figure it out.

One would think, with all the new DNA genealogy, that Legacy developers would
make it easier to select lines of people (whatever their criteria) for a gedcom.

One interesting note, when I upload this gedcom to FTDNA, all of the people that
have an alternate name in the Alternate Names button on the family page
overrides the Given and Surname field when it is uploaded. An example is Sarah
Smith (with alternate name of Sally) shows as only Sally with no last name. I am
having to go through and delete that info from each person's page if I want
their name to display correctly.

Thanks again!

Lynda




From: Ron Taylor 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sat, October 27, 2012 10:32:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors


Here's how it is done.
1) Check the box "Enable tagging options" in Options>Customize>General>Tagging
Options.  Click "Save".

2) Navigate to the individual for whom direct line ancestry will be exported to
a GEDCOM so that person is highlighted (called the "current individual").
3) Control-T to open the Advanced Tagging window.  It should show the
highlighted person from step 2 in the field just below "Individual Tagging".
4) Set the "Untag" radio button and set "Make changes on #:" to a tag number
that can be cleared.
5) Next Set the "Tag" radio button, keep the "Make changes on #:" tag number
that was cleared in step 4.
6) Click on the "Ancestors" button.  The individual highlighted in step 2 should
show in the field just below "Current Individual".
7) Enter the "Number  of  Generations to include" that will be tagged.
8) Set the "Direct Line Ancestors" radio button.
9) If the export will be to a GEDCOM, this step is unnecessary because the 3
boxes described will be set again at step 18.  An export to another Legacy
database will use the 3 boxes at this step.  Uncheck the 3 boxes just below that
radio button titled "Include Other Spouses", "Include Siblings", and "Include
Spouses of Siblings".  (If you wish to export complete group sheets for all the
direct line ancestors, then leave these 3 boxes checked.)
10) Click "OK" to have the designated ancestors tagged.
11) Click File>Export to>GEDCOM file to open the "GEDCOM Export" window.
12) Click the "Privacy" tab and check the boxes as desired.  If you want all
private items to export, click the button "Check All" and it will set all the
other boxes for you.
13) Click the "Options"  tab.
14) Select from the pull-down menu "Produce file for:" the intended file format
for the export.
15) Select from the pull-down menu "Character Set:" the intended character set
for the export.
16) Set or check any of the remaining options for the export.
17) Click the button "Record Selection" then set the radio button
18) Set the radio button "All records with an individual tag of:" and the tag
number from step 5.  Then uncheck the 3 boxes that were described in step 9 or
check them if desired.
19) Click "Close".
20) Click "Select File Name and Start Export".
21) Enter a file name that will receive the GEDCOM exported data.
22) Legacy will export the GEDCOM information to the file specified in step 21
and then display a "Message" window that shows how many individuals and families
were exported.  Click "OK".
23) Use the exported GEDCOM  file as desired.

Ron Taylor

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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Don Hendershot]

Insert a big, gigantic grin here!

~Don


On Oct 28, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Ron Ferguson  wrote:

> The type of coding can be set by using the drop-down menu (arrow) next to the 
> box below that for the GEDCOM type setting. But I use utf8 as it is this 
> setting which I find best for all non alphanumeric characters, and it is the 
> one commonly used by the sites to which I send the GEDCOM.
>
> The only time when I use ANSI is Legacy to Legacy transfers, using the Legacy 
> GEDCOM format.
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
> GOONS #5307
>
>
> "R G Strong-genes"  wrote:
>
>> Also be aware, that if you use special characters for foreign words, that
>> you need to change the GEDCOM character set to ANSI, as the characters will
>> not export correctly with the default character set for the GEDCOM. Legacy
>> changed the default and I have not found away to change the default back to
>> ANSI.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ron Taylor
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52 PM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors
>>
>> You are right.  It can't be done in one simple step by pressing the right
>> key.  I have searched for years to find the magic button that will do all my
>> genealogy.
>>
>> As a DNA Project Coordinator, I will assume that what was requested is the
>> male direct line ancestors versus all the direct line ancestors.  To produce
>> a GEDCOM file of just the male direct line, you should manually tag each of
>> those male ancestors instead of steps 5 thru 10.  If you want their spouses,
>> then tag them also.  Another option would be to use the Ltools>Advanced
>> Tagging>Y-DNA which can set tags for Y-DNA descendants.  This could be done
>> on tag2 and then reselect for individuals with tag1 and tag2 which would be
>> ancestors of the highlighted individual that have the same Y-DNA.
>>
>> One more idea would be to use the Legacy Charting>Descendant>DNA>Male
>> Y-DNA>Carriers Only to produce a chart of the possible Y-DNA candidates from
>> the Legacy database and then use it to guide you in setting tags.  This
>> chart is only for descendants of an individual like the results of the
>> Ltools>Advanced Tagging>Y-DNA but should include the ancestor line you want
>> for the GEDCOM export so it can be verified.
>>
>> Sorry that some of these processes can seem difficult but with a little
>> experience they will be easy to execute.  Maybe Millennia will automate
>> routines that are frequently requested.
>>
>> Ron Taylor
>>
>> --
>> Russell G. Strong
>> P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy
>> program can be downloaded FREE at
>> http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/Articles.asp?ID=133&Click=1114
>> Oh so many branches and not enough time to check out all the roots!!!.
>> Check out my Genealogy Pages at http://www.rgstrong-genes.com .
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] The "+" sign at the end of some event/fact entries

[Pat Hickin]

For me the + disappears when I save the event (after removing the picture).

Pat

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:22 PM, kinhunter25  wrote:

> Thanks, Jenny, and others.  I had somewhat figured out that it had
> something
> to do with pictures but didn't know about the addresses.
>
> That does bring up another question - at what point does the + then
> disappear; do I only have to remove the picture to make it disappear or do
> I
> have to save to make it disappear or does it only disappear after I have
> closed down the program?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 4:24 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] The "+" sign at the end of some event/fact entries
>
> On 27/10/2012 22:17, kinhunter25 wrote:
> > I'm looking at the Individual's Information screen in the Event/Fact
> part.
> > On the far right there is a column with a "+" at the top of it.  I see
> > some of the events I've entered have a "+" for them and some don't.
> > What does the "+" stand for?
>
> If you press F1 from any screen you will get the Help page relevant to that
> screen.  In this case, if you scroll down the Help page you will find
> information about the Events/Facts section of the screen and it describes
> the several columns.  It tells you that the last one shows a + when you
> have
> added a picture or an address to an Event.
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Ron Ferguson]

The type of coding can be set by using the drop-down menu (arrow) next to the 
box below that for the GEDCOM type setting. But I use utf8 as it is this 
setting which I find best for all non alphanumeric characters, and it is the 
one commonly used by the sites to which I send the GEDCOM.

The only time when I use ANSI is Legacy to Legacy transfers, using the Legacy 
GEDCOM format.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


"R G Strong-genes"  wrote:

>Also be aware, that if you use special characters for foreign words, that
>you need to change the GEDCOM character set to ANSI, as the characters will
>not export correctly with the default character set for the GEDCOM. Legacy
>changed the default and I have not found away to change the default back to
>ANSI.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ron Taylor
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors
>
>You are right.  It can't be done in one simple step by pressing the right
>key.  I have searched for years to find the magic button that will do all my
>genealogy.
>
>As a DNA Project Coordinator, I will assume that what was requested is the
>male direct line ancestors versus all the direct line ancestors.  To produce
>a GEDCOM file of just the male direct line, you should manually tag each of
>those male ancestors instead of steps 5 thru 10.  If you want their spouses,
>then tag them also.  Another option would be to use the Ltools>Advanced
>Tagging>Y-DNA which can set tags for Y-DNA descendants.  This could be done
>on tag2 and then reselect for individuals with tag1 and tag2 which would be
>ancestors of the highlighted individual that have the same Y-DNA.
>
>One more idea would be to use the Legacy Charting>Descendant>DNA>Male
>Y-DNA>Carriers Only to produce a chart of the possible Y-DNA candidates from
>the Legacy database and then use it to guide you in setting tags.  This
>chart is only for descendants of an individual like the results of the
>Ltools>Advanced Tagging>Y-DNA but should include the ancestor line you want
>for the GEDCOM export so it can be verified.
>
>Sorry that some of these processes can seem difficult but with a little
>experience they will be easy to execute.  Maybe Millennia will automate
>routines that are frequently requested.
>
>Ron Taylor
>
>--
>Russell G. Strong
>P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy
>program can be downloaded FREE at
>http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/Articles.asp?ID=133&Click=1114
>Oh so many branches and not enough time to check out all the roots!!!.
>Check out my Genealogy Pages at http://www.rgstrong-genes.com .
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[R G Strong-genes]

Also be aware, that if you use special characters for foreign words, that
you need to change the GEDCOM character set to ANSI, as the characters will
not export correctly with the default character set for the GEDCOM. Legacy
changed the default and I have not found away to change the default back to
ANSI.

-Original Message-
From: Ron Taylor
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

You are right.  It can't be done in one simple step by pressing the right
key.  I have searched for years to find the magic button that will do all my
genealogy.

As a DNA Project Coordinator, I will assume that what was requested is the
male direct line ancestors versus all the direct line ancestors.  To produce
a GEDCOM file of just the male direct line, you should manually tag each of
those male ancestors instead of steps 5 thru 10.  If you want their spouses,
then tag them also.  Another option would be to use the Ltools>Advanced
Tagging>Y-DNA which can set tags for Y-DNA descendants.  This could be done
on tag2 and then reselect for individuals with tag1 and tag2 which would be
ancestors of the highlighted individual that have the same Y-DNA.

One more idea would be to use the Legacy Charting>Descendant>DNA>Male
Y-DNA>Carriers Only to produce a chart of the possible Y-DNA candidates from
the Legacy database and then use it to guide you in setting tags.  This
chart is only for descendants of an individual like the results of the
Ltools>Advanced Tagging>Y-DNA but should include the ancestor line you want
for the GEDCOM export so it can be verified.

Sorry that some of these processes can seem difficult but with a little
experience they will be easy to execute.  Maybe Millennia will automate
routines that are frequently requested.

Ron Taylor

--
Russell G. Strong
P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy
program can be downloaded FREE at
http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/Articles.asp?ID=133&Click=1114
Oh so many branches and not enough time to check out all the roots!!!.
Check out my Genealogy Pages at http://www.rgstrong-genes.com .




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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Ron Ferguson]

Ron,

I agree totally with your last comment. I guess it is because the options which 
Legacy chose to use for the Ancestor selections were made long before we linked 
Y-DNA with male ancestor charts. It certainly needs to enter the modern era 
*now*.

When I did mine I made the selection manually - not too bad as I only selected 
the "grandparent" from each generation. The administrator of my surname group 
opted to show a link to my website.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


"Ron Taylor"  wrote:

>You are right.  It can't be done in one simple step by pressing the right key. 
> I have searched for years to find the magic button that will do all my 
>genealogy.
>
>As a DNA Project Coordinator, I will assume that what was requested is the 
>male direct line ancestors versus all the direct line ancestors.  To produce a 
>GEDCOM file of just the male direct line, you should manually tag each of 
>those male ancestors instead of steps 5 thru 10.  If you want their spouses, 
>then tag them also.  Another option would be to use the Ltools>Advanced 
>Tagging>Y-DNA which can set tags for Y-DNA descendants.  This could be done on 
>tag2 and then reselect for individuals with tag1 and tag2 which would be 
>ancestors of the highlighted individual that have the same Y-DNA.
>
>One more idea would be to use the Legacy Charting>Descendant>DNA>Male 
>Y-DNA>Carriers Only to produce a chart of the possible Y-DNA candidates from 
>the Legacy database and then use it to guide you in setting tags.  This chart 
>is only for descendants of an individual like the results of the 
>Ltools>Advanced Tagging>Y-DNA but should include the ancestor line you want 
>for the GEDCOM export so it can be verified.
>
>Sorry that some of these processes can seem difficult but with a little 
>experience they will be easy to execute.  Maybe Millennia will automate 
>routines that are frequently requested.
>
>Ron Taylor


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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Ron Taylor]

You are right.  It can't be done in one simple step by pressing the right key.  
I have searched for years to find the magic button that will do all my 
genealogy.

As a DNA Project Coordinator, I will assume that what was requested is the male 
direct line ancestors versus all the direct line ancestors.  To produce a 
GEDCOM file of just the male direct line, you should manually tag each of those 
male ancestors instead of steps 5 thru 10.  If you want their spouses, then tag 
them also.  Another option would be to use the Ltools>Advanced Tagging>Y-DNA 
which can set tags for Y-DNA descendants.  This could be done on tag2 and then 
reselect for individuals with tag1 and tag2 which would be ancestors of the 
highlighted individual that have the same Y-DNA.

One more idea would be to use the Legacy Charting>Descendant>DNA>Male 
Y-DNA>Carriers Only to produce a chart of the possible Y-DNA candidates from 
the Legacy database and then use it to guide you in setting tags.  This chart 
is only for descendants of an individual like the results of the 
Ltools>Advanced Tagging>Y-DNA but should include the ancestor line you want for 
the GEDCOM export so it can be verified.

Sorry that some of these processes can seem difficult but with a little 
experience they will be easy to execute.  Maybe Millennia will automate 
routines that are frequently requested.

Ron Taylor




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Re: [LegacyUG] Email with Symbols

[Tim Rosenlof]

On 10/27/2012 6:28 PM, Lee Bruch wrote:
> I've always been puzzled by the strange characters too.
> I *almost* never get them on personal emails and I exchange emails a lot 
> within the US and to, from Canada, UK, Germany - even umlauts translate 
> correctly.
> My email is set up to both send and receive in Unicode UTF-8 using Outlook 
> 2007 using HTML.
> However,
> I subscribe to a number of list-servs. I don't have that problem with most, 
> but I do have that pop up with some of the listservs, especially this and a 
> couple of listservs from Germany.
> I've never figured it out and just resigned to accept it. I've passively 
> wondered whether it has something to do with email settings from emails 
> originating in different countries, or if something to do with translating 
> back and forth to from plain text, or some strange interaction between the 
> apple and PC worlds, or some other of many potential reasons. But I just 
> accept it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Gray [mailto:grayp...@telus.net]
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:58 PM
> To:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Email with Symbols
>
> I checked out the encoding on Pat Hickin's original post, and it was indeed 
> UTF-8. It appeared fine (no weird characters) in Outlook 2007, so I guess my 
> reader handles UTF-8.
>
> Despite that, like Ron, I still get the weird characters. For me, it appears 
> that it is in the original text quoted in replies where the person replying 
> had a newsreader that mangled the character set. I.E. once mangled, that text 
> will continue to be mangled on all future replies to the group quoting it.
>
> Paul Gray

It is the Legacy mail server. It cannot handle certain characters or
incorrectly formatted mail. The servers have always been that way and
will probably not change. People have been complaining about it for years.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Don Hendershot]

I can't help but smile.  Twenty-three steps to do this?

I think you need to be standing on just your left foot, it has to be done on a 
Tuesday and it will only work on Dec. 21st when all the stars are in alignment.

Here is an opportunity for Legacy to provide a good, new feature.  The 
step-by-step process to automate at least parts of this is already provided.

2 cents,
~Don


On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:02 AM, "Ron Ferguson"  wrote:

> Ron,
>
> Did you check that?
>
> Since the OP uses the Basic version and not Deluxe I tested your method in
> the Basic version using myself as the start, and found that my mother was
> tagged and all her direct line ancestors, of both sexes.
>
> I then ran the same in the Deluxe version with the same results.
>
> I would not say that this is a bug because the radio button for including
> spouses, sates clearly “include *other* spouses” i.e. *not* the preferred
> spouse (in my view).
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
>
> From: Ron Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:31 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors
>
> Here's how it is done.
> 1) Check the box "Enable tagging options" in
> Options>Customize>General>Tagging Options.  Click "Save".
>
> 2) Navigate to the individual for whom direct line ancestry will be exported
> to a GEDCOM so that person is highlighted (called the "current individual").
> 3) Control-T to open the Advanced Tagging window.  It should show the
> highlighted person from step 2 in the field just below "Individual Tagging".
> 4) Set the "Untag" radio button and set "Make changes on #:" to a tag number
> that can be cleared.
> 5) Next Set the "Tag" radio button, keep the "Make changes on #:" tag number
> that was cleared in step 4.
> 6) Click on the "Ancestors" button.  The individual highlighted in step 2
> should show in the field just below "Current Individual".
> 7) Enter the "Number of Generations to include" that will be tagged.
> 8) Set the "Direct Line Ancestors" radio button.
> 9) If the export will be to a GEDCOM, this step is unnecessary because the 3
> boxes described will be set again at step 18.  An export to another Legacy
> database will use the 3 boxes at this step.  Uncheck the 3 boxes just below
> that radio button titled "Include Other Spouses", "Include Siblings", and
> "Include Spouses of Siblings".  (If you wish to export complete group sheets
> for all the direct line ancestors, then leave these 3 boxes checked.)
> 10) Click "OK" to have the designated ancestors tagged.
> 11) Click File>Export to>GEDCOM file to open the "GEDCOM Export" window.
> 12) Click the "Privacy" tab and check the boxes as desired.  If you want all
> private items to export, click the button "Check All" and it will set all
> the other boxes for you.
> 13) Click the "Options" tab.
> 14) Select from the pull-down menu "Produce file for:" the intended file
> format for the export.
> 15) Select from the pull-down menu "Character Set:" the intended character
> set for the export.
> 16) Set or check any of the remaining options for the export.
> 17) Click the button "Record Selection" then set the radio button
> 18) Set the radio button "All records with an individual tag of:" and the
> tag number from step 5.  Then uncheck the 3 boxes that were described in
> step 9 or check them if desired.
> 19) Click "Close".
> 20) Click "Select File Name and Start Export".
> 21) Enter a file name that will receive the GEDCOM exported data.
> 22) Legacy will export the GEDCOM information to the file specified in step
> 21 and then display a "Message" window that shows how many individuals and
> families were exported.  Click "OK".
> 23) Use the exported GEDCOM file as desired.
>
> Ron Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

[Ron Ferguson]

Ron,

Did you check that?

Since the OP uses the Basic version and not Deluxe I tested your method in
the Basic version using myself as the start, and found that my mother was
tagged and all her direct line ancestors, of both sexes.

I then ran the same in the Deluxe version with the same results.

I would not say that this is a bug because the radio button for including
spouses, sates clearly “include *other* spouses” i.e. *not* the preferred
spouse (in my view).

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Ron Taylor
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom of Direct Line Ancestors

Here's how it is done.
1) Check the box "Enable tagging options" in
Options>Customize>General>Tagging Options.  Click "Save".

2) Navigate to the individual for whom direct line ancestry will be exported
to a GEDCOM so that person is highlighted (called the "current individual").
3) Control-T to open the Advanced Tagging window.  It should show the
highlighted person from step 2 in the field just below "Individual Tagging".
4) Set the "Untag" radio button and set "Make changes on #:" to a tag number
that can be cleared.
5) Next Set the "Tag" radio button, keep the "Make changes on #:" tag number
that was cleared in step 4.
6) Click on the "Ancestors" button.  The individual highlighted in step 2
should show in the field just below "Current Individual".
7) Enter the "Number of Generations to include" that will be tagged.
8) Set the "Direct Line Ancestors" radio button.
9) If the export will be to a GEDCOM, this step is unnecessary because the 3
boxes described will be set again at step 18.  An export to another Legacy
database will use the 3 boxes at this step.  Uncheck the 3 boxes just below
that radio button titled "Include Other Spouses", "Include Siblings", and
"Include Spouses of Siblings".  (If you wish to export complete group sheets
for all the direct line ancestors, then leave these 3 boxes checked.)
10) Click "OK" to have the designated ancestors tagged.
11) Click File>Export to>GEDCOM file to open the "GEDCOM Export" window.
12) Click the "Privacy" tab and check the boxes as desired.  If you want all
private items to export, click the button "Check All" and it will set all
the other boxes for you.
13) Click the "Options" tab.
14) Select from the pull-down menu "Produce file for:" the intended file
format for the export.
15) Select from the pull-down menu "Character Set:" the intended character
set for the export.
16) Set or check any of the remaining options for the export.
17) Click the button "Record Selection" then set the radio button
18) Set the radio button "All records with an individual tag of:" and the
tag number from step 5.  Then uncheck the 3 boxes that were described in
step 9 or check them if desired.
19) Click "Close".
20) Click "Select File Name and Start Export".
21) Enter a file name that will receive the GEDCOM exported data.
22) Legacy will export the GEDCOM information to the file specified in step
21 and then display a "Message" window that shows how many individuals and
families were exported.  Click "OK".
23) Use the exported GEDCOM file as desired.

Ron Taylor





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