Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Cathy Pinner]

Barton,
There may not be any - take a look.
Cathy

Barton Lewis wrote:


So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in
hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides
his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I
haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website
for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is
replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s
mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following
inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral
Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on
its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing
content, sales, and marketing professionals that care deeply about
digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The
obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as
published on the website in question, correct? The templates which
include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the
correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.”
Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of
the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as
it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this
template since the obituary is a transcription?

Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates
that includes “periodicals” in front of the rest of the descriptors,
e.g. “Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher” vs.
“Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher”;
what’s the difference between the two?

Thanks,

Barton
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Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

[Leon Chapman]

Here is an example of how I use Basic Sources:
1.  Census
  a. I create an Census Event as follows:
 census, 20 Jun 1900, Columbia, Wapello Co, IA, USA.¹

It reads in reports as:  He appeared on the census on 20 Jun 1900 in
Columbia, Wapello Co, IA, USA.¹

2.  Source
   a. *Source List Name:*  U.S. Federal Census - 1900 -  Columbia Twp,
Wapella Co, IA - Chapman, Wells H. - 1866
NOTE:  The year at the end is the birth year of individual

   b. *Title:*  U.S. Federal Census - 1900 -  Columbia Twp, Wapella Co, IA
- Chapman, Wells H. - 1866

   c. *Publication Facts:*  Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place:
Columbia, Wapello, Iowa; Roll: 463; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 0129;
FHL microfilm: 1240463.  Wells H. Chapman, Age 33, b. June 1866,
Occupation:  Farmer;  Lydia Chapman, Age 33, b. July 1866, OH;  Ralph
Chapman, Age 12,  b. March 1885, OH;  Roy Chapman, Age 9, b. November 1890,
OH;  Leora Chapman, Age 6, b. November 1893, OH.

*Output Source reads:*
*U.S. Federal Census - 1900 -  Columbia Twp, Wapella Co, IA - Chapman,
Wells H. - 1866 *(Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Columbia,
Wapello, Iowa; Roll: 463; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 0129; FHL
microfilm: 1240463.  Wells H. Chapman, Age 33, b. June 1866, Occupation:
Farmer;  Lydia Chapman, Age 33, b. July 1866, OH;  Ralph Chapman, Age 12,
b. March 1885, OH;  Roy Chapman, Age 9, b. November 1890, OH;  Leora
Chapman, Age 6, b. November 1893, OH.).  Rec. Date: 20 Jun 1900.

To me, this is a very clean way to do Census - a simple Census event with
the details in the source for the Census Record.  I like to capture most of
the Census information in the Source Publication Facts which is printed
just like you enter the data.

I would create the Census event for the head of the household and source
the event and then copy the event and source to each person in the
household.

If a person has an occupation, then I create an Occupation event for that
person, say "Farmer", and with same date and place as census and source
this with the Census source.

One could also create a Resident event with same date and place as the
Census.

You can use shared events for the family, but there could be issues when
exporting to a GEDCom and read by other software that doesn't support
shared events.

I am what is known as a splitter (as opposed to a Lumper) when it comes to
sourcing.  I probably have 100s of individual census sources as shown above.
A Lumper might have 1 master source for all Census or Census year and then
place all the information in the details.

I also have 100s of Find-a-Grave sources, where a Lumper might only have 1
master Find-a-Grave source.  My Find-a-Grave sources look very similar to
the new Find-a-Grave source at the bottom of the webpage on FAG.
e.g.:
*Find-a-Grave - Chapman, Wells H. - 1866* (Wells H. Chapman, b. 27 Jun
1866, d. 11 Feb 1947, Burial:  Arkansas City - Parker Cemetery, Cowley Co,
KS, USA.  Spouse:  Lida M. Chisman Chapman (1866-1947), Children:  Ralph F.
Chapman (1888-1968), LeRoy Ervin Chapman (1890-1983).  Find A Grave
Memorial# 23245786.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23245786&ref=acom).
Rec. Date: 4 Dec 2007.

The best thing to do is try sourcing in a few different ways and look at
the output that is generated in a Descendant Book and see if it is what you
want.

I personally don't like the Source Writer output format, but you might be
fine with it.  The big advantage of the Source Writer is the templates that
help you place the information in the correct locations on the template.
If you export your data to a GEDCom, the Source Writer sources are
converted to the Basic Source.  There is not a converter to take a Basic
Source and convert to a Source Writer source.

Hope this helps some.
Chap


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On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Mary Leek  wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> I don't use the Legacy SourceWriter System, just the Basic Source System
> so my examples might be formatted differently if using the SourceWriter.
>
> There are many different methods of organizing and formatting your
> sources. If you plan on publishing, then there are formatting specifics you
> will want to follow. Otherwise, I feel a source is sufficient if there's
> enough source information there for someone else to use to track down my
> source. Many genealogists or family historians prefer to be more structured
> in their approach. Only you know how much time and effort you wish to
> invest.
>
> One frequently used source for burial location is the website, Find A
> Grave. With the new interface, still in beta, they are providing an already
> formatted citation to place in the source detail when you cite information
> from a Find A Grave memorial.
>
> Example:
> https://new.findagrave.com/memorial/107684300/ralph-johnson-fowler
>
> scroll to the bottom of the page and you will see the link for the
> citation, contents shown below.
>
> Find A Grave, database and images (https://new.f

[LegacyUG] citing an online obituary

[Barton Lewis]

So here's a source citation problem that I would be interested in hearing
feedback about:  I found an obituary for someone that provides his mother's
maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I haven't been able to
obtain otherwise.  The obituary is on a website for a company that calls
itself "[X] Media Group" (the "X" is replacing its actual name).  The obit
came up when Googling the man's mother's married name, and appears on a page
that has the following inscription at top:  "Obituaries & Guestbooks
Provided by Funeral Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press."  X
Media Group, on its About Us page states it is "an audience-first venture
encompassing content, sales, and marketing professionals that care deeply
about digital marketing."  Which Master Source template should I use?  The
obituary is not issued by the publisher, if "issued" is the same as
published on the website in question, correct?  The templates which include
"issued by unrelated content provider" would seem to be the correct ones,
but they all include the categorization "online image."  Is there a
difference between an "online image" and a transcription of the obituary?
Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as it appeared in the
newspaper?  If so, is it appropriate to use this template since the obituary
is a transcription?

 

Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates that
includes "periodicals" in front of the rest of the descriptors, e.g.
"Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher" vs.
"Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher"; what's the
difference between the two?

 

Thanks,

 

Barton

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

[johnbernacki1]

I have been on the LUG email list for a number of years and the issue of how 
to cite sources or which template to use constantly comes up. I am fairly 
pedantic but when it comes to sources I agree with Geoff Rasmussen- the most 
important thing is, for readers to know what the source is and where to find 
it.


I have cited everything from engraving on a Baptismal cup, to copies of Nazi 
documents provided and translated by the International Tracing Service. It 
is impossible to have a template for everything but Legacy has many to 
choose from. I pick the closest to what is appropriate. I also try to be as 
consistent as possible. You can also add text or comments to any citation to 
ensure readers know everything necessary.


John

-Original Message- 
From: Mary Leek

Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 8:59 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

Dennis,

I don't use the Legacy SourceWriter System, just the Basic Source System so 
my examples might be formatted differently if using the SourceWriter.


There are many different methods of organizing and formatting your sources. 
If you plan on publishing, then there are formatting specifics you will want 
to follow. Otherwise, I feel a source is sufficient if there's enough source 
information there for someone else to use to track down my source. Many 
genealogists or family historians prefer to be more structured in their 
approach. Only you know how much time and effort you wish to invest.


One frequently used source for burial location is the website, Find A Grave. 
With the new interface, still in beta, they are providing an already 
formatted citation to place in the source detail when you cite information 
from a Find A Grave memorial.


Example:
https://new.findagrave.com/memorial/107684300/ralph-johnson-fowler

scroll to the bottom of the page and you will see the link for the citation, 
contents shown below.


Find A Grave, database and images (https://new.findagrave.com : accessed 13 
July 2017), memorial page for Ralph Johnson Fowler (4 Oct 1917–10 Oct 1994), 
Find A Grave Memorial no. 107684300, citing Mount Kenton Cemetery, Paducah, 
McCracken County, Kentucky, USA ; Maintained by Glenda & Ken Miller 
(contributor 47705248)


This example above might give you an idea of how to format a citation for a 
website.


I use Ancestry.com for a lot of my records research so my source is 
Ancestry.com for any records I cite which were found and viewed on that site 
and for the citation, I use the source citation information they always 
provide at the base of the record being viewed.


For information I cited for an uncle's 1940 Fed Census family entry, my 
citation would be:


Example:
Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, 
UT, USA, Year: 1940; Census Place: Weaver, Franklin, Arkansas; Roll: 
T627_136; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 24-31


If someone wanted to view the census record I'm citing, the information in 
the citation is enough for them to find it by going to a local library and 
using microfilm or whatever other source they use for viewing Federal Census 
records.


I have a book I own and frequently use, so the book is my source, with all 
the book information entered for the source, then I simply put the page 
number in the citation detail where the specific information I'm citing was 
found. If I want to be more detailed, I might also add in the citation 
detail 'pension number' or 'death date' or 'name of wife' or whatever 
information I've discovered and used from this source.


Example source:
Frances T. Ingmire, Arkansas Confederate Veterans and Widows Pension 
Applications (printed in
Signal Mountain. Tennessee, ©1985. pub, by Mountain Press, P.O. Box 400, 
37377-0400;

www.mountainpress.com). pg. xx

In my Master Source List for the source mentioned above, my Master Source 
List name is Book: Arkansas Confederate Veterans and Widows Pension 
Applications. I don't print this Master Source List Name but using Book: in 
the Master Source List allows all of my books to sort together in the list 
and makes it easier for me to quickly find a specific book source. Once I 
type in Book: the source list jumps to the books and I can quickly spot the 
book I want to cite.


You are wise to think about this before you begin. I think you can get as 
complicated or as simple as you want to make things. Try a few different 
ways of setting up a source and see how it prints and how easy the format is 
for you to use. Just decide beforehand, then be consistent.


If you want to try and find a book written about this subject, google citing 
genealogical sources or something similar and you should have a lot of 
suggestions to look through. The Mills book is quite detailed and I believe 
the Sourcewriter System in Legacy is closely based on her suggestions.


Here's a link to a helpful list on Cyndi's List that might get you started:
http://www.cyndislist.com/citing/citat

Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

[Mary Leek]

Dennis,

I don't use the Legacy SourceWriter System, just the Basic Source System so my 
examples might be formatted differently if using the SourceWriter. 

There are many different methods of organizing and formatting your sources. If 
you plan on publishing, then there are formatting specifics you will want to 
follow. Otherwise, I feel a source is sufficient if there's enough source 
information there for someone else to use to track down my source. Many 
genealogists or family historians prefer to be more structured in their 
approach. Only you know how much time and effort you wish to invest.

One frequently used source for burial location is the website, Find A Grave. 
With the new interface, still in beta, they are providing an already formatted 
citation to place in the source detail when you cite information from a Find A 
Grave memorial. 

Example:
https://new.findagrave.com/memorial/107684300/ralph-johnson-fowler

scroll to the bottom of the page and you will see the link for the citation, 
contents shown below.

Find A Grave, database and images (https://new.findagrave.com : accessed 13 
July 2017), memorial page for Ralph Johnson Fowler (4 Oct 1917–10 Oct 1994), 
Find A Grave Memorial no. 107684300, citing Mount Kenton Cemetery, Paducah, 
McCracken County, Kentucky, USA ; Maintained by Glenda & Ken Miller 
(contributor 47705248)

This example above might give you an idea of how to format a citation for a 
website. 

I use Ancestry.com for a lot of my records research so my source is 
Ancestry.com for any records I cite which were found and viewed on that site 
and for the citation, I use the source citation information they always provide 
at the base of the record being viewed. 

For information I cited for an uncle's 1940 Fed Census family entry, my 
citation would be: 

Example:
Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, 
USA, Year: 1940; Census Place: Weaver, Franklin, Arkansas; Roll: T627_136; 
Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 24-31

If someone wanted to view the census record I'm citing, the information in the 
citation is enough for them to find it by going to a local library and using 
microfilm or whatever other source they use for viewing Federal Census records. 

I have a book I own and frequently use, so the book is my source, with all the 
book information entered for the source, then I simply put the page number in 
the citation detail where the specific information I'm citing was found. If I 
want to be more detailed, I might also add in the citation detail 'pension 
number' or 'death date' or 'name of wife' or whatever information I've 
discovered and used from this source.

Example source:
Frances T. Ingmire, Arkansas Confederate Veterans and Widows Pension 
Applications (printed in
Signal Mountain. Tennessee, ©1985. pub, by Mountain Press, P.O. Box 400, 
37377-0400;
www.mountainpress.com). pg. xx

In my Master Source List for the source mentioned above, my Master Source List 
name is Book: Arkansas Confederate Veterans and Widows Pension Applications. I 
don't print this Master Source List Name but using Book: in the Master Source 
List allows all of my books to sort together in the list and makes it easier 
for me to quickly find a specific book source. Once I type in Book: the source 
list jumps to the books and I can quickly spot the book I want to cite. 

You are wise to think about this before you begin. I think you can get as 
complicated or as simple as you want to make things. Try a few different ways 
of setting up a source and see how it prints and how easy the format is for you 
to use. Just decide beforehand, then be consistent. 

If you want to try and find a book written about this subject, google citing 
genealogical sources or something similar and you should have a lot of 
suggestions to look through. The Mills book is quite detailed and I believe the 
Sourcewriter System in Legacy is closely based on her suggestions.

Here's a link to a helpful list on Cyndi's List that might get you started:
http://www.cyndislist.com/citing/citations-in-genealogy/

Good luck with your project.

Mary


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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis Birke
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:46 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

Thanks for the suggestions.  I have watched Geoff's webinar on citing sources 
and it’s very helpful -- as far as it goes.  I think what I'm looking for is a 
manual that gives examples for the commonly cited sources.

For example, when citing Federal census records, what is the Master source and 
what is the detail?  Is the Master source the record at the state level? Or 
county level?  Or city/town/ township level? 

I'd like to have a reference book or manual that tells me what the standard 
practice is -- so that I don't have to spend hours trying to think it through 
or proceeding on a trial and error ba

Re: [LegacyUG] Hashtags

[Shirley Crampton]

Hashtag is explained on pg 51 of the instruction book.  It is only
available in the deluxe version of the software.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Rune Mattsson 
wrote:

> In my opinion” Hashtags” are something I’ve used for years in Legacy
> although I called it “dot tags”
>
> I’ve never liked the tagging, too easy to delete and altered by mistake so
> I created hidden events/facts starting with a “.”. I could then add it
> (with notation, date and place)  to a person.
>
> I think “Hash tagging” should be useful  if  it coould be used  with other
> master data, locations, events  etc.
>
>
> 2017-07-13 18:23 GMT+02:00 Laura Ellene :
>
>> Can anyone explain to me how to set and use hashtags?  I can’t find a
>> thing giving instructions on how and where to set them in my help screen or
>> instruction book.
>>
>>
>>
>> Laura Tynes
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Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

[Leonard J. McCown]

Amazon lists the 3rd edition for $51.92, and even one used for $46.97.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

[Donna Newell]

It is a very pricey book, $76.  There is a quick sheet offered by Legacy that 
covers a lot of the sources that are frequently cited, I think it is well under 
$10.
I too have problems with how exactly to cite a source, it gets very confusing 
as to the source-detail etc.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 2:28 PM, BARTON LEWIS  wrote:
> 
> Dennis,
> 
> Elizabeth Shown Mills' "Evidence Explained" is the standard work for source 
> citations.  Google it and you can see examples on her website, and/or 
> purchase the entire book.  You may be able to find prior versions on sale at 
> ebay or amazon, which should be adequate and save some money.  Beware:  it's 
> not just a book but a "tome" but it covers everything.  Better safe than 
> sorry.
> 
> Barton
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 02:46 PM, Dennis Birke wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestions.  I have watched Geoff's webinar on citing 
>> sources and it’s very helpful -- as far as it goes.  I think what I'm 
>> looking for is a manual that gives examples for the commonly cited sources.
>> 
>> For example, when citing Federal census records, what is the Master source 
>> and what is the detail?  Is the Master source the record at the state level? 
>> Or county level?  Or city/town/ township level?
>> I'd like to have a reference book or manual that tells me what the standard 
>> practice is -- so that I don't have to spend hours trying to think it 
>> through or proceeding on a trial and error basis and then having to re-do a 
>> dozen entries after discovering I guessed wrong.
>> Another example:  Cites like FamilySearch are very helpful in offering full 
>> citations for some kinds of information.  But, I've been having a very 
>> difficult time figuring out how to fit those citations into Source Writer 
>> (and, again, figuring out the appropriate level for separating a "master 
>> source" from "details".
>> I'm thinking I can't be the only person to have struggled with these issues 
>> and someone has probably written something that answers all or most of my 
>> questions.  I'm trying to identify that book or manual or website, etc.
>> 
>> Don't get me wrong -- I really do appreciate how powerful a tool Source 
>> Writer might be.  But it assumes a level of knowledge that a novice like 
>> myself just doesn't have.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:11 PM
>> To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources
>> 
>> Michele has given you the link to a very popular webinar.
>> 
>> You don't have to be a professional to need to cite your sources in a way 
>> that someone else can understand - that someone could be you in a few years 
>> time.
>> 
>> There's nothing wrong with using Basic Sources.
>> 
>> The most important thing to get your head around is Master Sources and 
>> Source Detail. Together they provide everything you or someone else needs to 
>> know to find the source (or to know why they can't find it because it's from 
>> a document/Family Bible/etc that you own or saw when you visited Uncle 
>> John.) A book is easy.
>> The book is the Master source and the page is the Source Detail.
>> But what about something you find on FamilySearch?
>> The easiest way to source FamilySearch data is to create a Basic Source with 
>> the Master Source just saying FamilySearch in the Source List Name (which is 
>> your finding aid for refinding a Master Source) and FamilySearch in the 
>> Title.
>> Then you can copy and paste the FamilySearch source to the Source Detail
>> - sometimes it will fit in the Source Detail box but often it's too long, so 
>> put it in the Source Detail Comment and checkmark that to be included. The 
>> transcription is copy and pasted into the Source Detail text and not 
>> normally included in the citation.
>> The same can be done with the source that Ancestry provides.
>> 
>> With the SourceWriter simply remember that you don't have to put something 
>> in every available box. These are general templates that don't always apply.
>> 
>> For online databases and online databases with original images, you can use 
>> the SourceWriter internet templates for these.
>> The name of the particular database goes in the Master Source. In the source 
>> detail something like "entry for Joe Bloggs" and in the credit line - where 
>> Ancestry etc got the information.
>> This can be more useful than putting all Ancestry sources into one Master 
>> Source. It's an advanced step but you can more easily find which people 
>> you've looked for and found in a particular database if you have a Master 
>> Source for each database.
>> 
>> It's much harder adding sources later but no reason not to start. Use tags 
>> to indicate that you have sourced everything you've entered for that person. 
>> The source icon lights up with just one source so isn't useful for letting 
>> you know

Re: [LegacyUG] New features suggestion

[Donald Quigley]

I use queries in MS Access to preprocess (ie, move data around) the Legacy 
“fdb” database (in a temporary fdb file) so that Legacy can create a gedcom 
(using the “Legacy” option) that best displays my data in TNG.  

 

The main issue I have with the transfer of data from Legacy to TNG is with 
sources and media. I am an extreme “splitter” – meaning that every source 
document is given a Master Source name.  I name and file my sources, and 
associated media files, using the File ID (3225 in the example below).

 

My source names typically look like this:

Source List Name:  3225 - City Directory, CA, Santa Rosa; 1918 - Adelbert G. 
Quigley Family

 

To achieve a “true” alphabetical sort of the sources in TNG, I use MS Access 
queries on tblBR (Media Files) and tblSR (Sources) to change the Master Source 
name to:

Source List Name:  City Directory, CA, Santa Rosa; 1918 - Adelbert G. Quigley 
Family [3225]

I leave the File ID in the name so that I can search for it in TNG, which 
allows ad hoc searches.

 

My media files typically look like this:

Picture File Name: 3225_IMG.jpg  Caption: City Directory, CA, Santa Rosa - 
Adelbert G. Quigley Family; Date: 1918

 

I use MS Access queries on tblBR (Media Files), tblSR (Sources) and tblAR 
(Addresses, incl. Repositories) to change the media file data so that it shows 
the date and adds the repository for display in TNG:

Picture File Name: 3225_IMG.jpg  Caption: City Directory, CA, Santa Rosa - 
Adelbert G. Quigley Family; Description: 1918  [from Ancestry.com]

 

The queries also allow me to check for missing or incorrect File IDs for 
sources and media, and for missing Repositories.  These omissions/errors have 
to be corrected in Legacy before the query process is completed.

 

>> 

Regarding Scott Hall’s original question about transferring User ID values to 
the Find a Grave ID, it looks like this could be relatively easily done with 
queries in MS Access.  The User ID is in the UserRef field in tblIR (Individual 
List). The FAG ID is in the Value field in tblIV (Find a Grave List).  The two 
tables are linked by the common ID field.  Obviously, you should work with a 
copy of your fdb file until you confirm that your queries work.  Another option 
would be to export fields from each table and work with them in MS Excel and 
then copy back into MS Access.

 

 

Donald Quigley

Escondido, CA

  Quigley Doyle Family Tree

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Rick Koelz
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New features suggestion

 

Yes, Donald,

Tell us more about what you're doing with MS Access.

 

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Chris Bayley mailto:krispi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Donald,

Could you please elaborate further on your "preprocessing" in MS Access.

I was also a keen user of Ltools with its ability to have more focused queries.

Thanks,

Chris.

 

 

On 13/07/2017 4:54 a.m., Donald Quigley wrote:

Scott,

 

Without getting into the FAG question, which others have commented on, I’ll 
second your suggestion that Legacy would be much improved by adding simple 
database tools (like the old LTools) to accommodate changes brought about by 
program updates or other user-specific reasons to move data around and do 
“global” manipulations electronically rather than manually.  I now use MS 
Access to “preprocess” my Legacy fdb database before creating a GED file for 
uploading to my family (TNG) website and to Ancestry.  A Millenia-built set of 
tools  to do similar and other functions would make my life a lot easier by not 
having to write Access queries as I need them.

 

Donald Quigley

Escondido, CA

  Quigley Doyle Family Tree

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Hall
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com  
Subject: [LegacyUG] New features suggestion

 

I submitted this through Milennia's suggest feature on their website, but also 
thought I'd post it here.

It's great that Milennia keeps adding feature to LFT, but it would be really 
useful if you also added a way to convert existing data to take advantage of 
new features.

For example, Find-a-Grave has been added to the SourceWriter, but no way has 
been provided to convert/update existing data using a different source template 
to the new one.  This leaves the users either having to keep two sources for 
the same source, or manually identify and update the records -- for users with 
large files, that's a pain.

In my case, given that LFT had no dedicated place to record Find-a-Grave 
memorial I use the flexible field "UserID" BUT ... when v9 added a dedicated 
field, there was no easy way to convert all the data in the flex field to the 
new field.

In other words, we need some si

Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

[BARTON LEWIS]

Dennis,

Elizabeth Shown Mills' "Evidence Explained" is the standard work for 
source citations.  Google it and you can see examples on her website, 
and/or purchase the entire book.  You may be able to find prior versions 
on sale at ebay or amazon, which should be adequate and save some 
money.  Beware:  it's not just a book but a "tome" but it covers 
everything.  Better safe than sorry.


Barton


On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 02:46 PM, Dennis Birke wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions.  I have watched Geoff's webinar on citing 
sources and it’s very helpful -- as far as it goes.  I think what I'm 
looking for is a manual that gives examples for the commonly cited 
sources.


For example, when citing Federal census records, what is the Master 
source and what is the detail?  Is the Master source the record at the 
state level? Or county level?  Or city/town/ township level?
I'd like to have a reference book or manual that tells me what the 
standard practice is -- so that I don't have to spend hours trying to 
think it through or proceeding on a trial and error basis and then 
having to re-do a dozen entries after discovering I guessed wrong.
Another example:  Cites like FamilySearch are very helpful in offering 
full citations for some kinds of information.  But, I've been having a 
very difficult time figuring out how to fit those citations into 
Source Writer (and, again, figuring out the appropriate level for 
separating a "master source" from "details".
I'm thinking I can't be the only person to have struggled with these 
issues and someone has probably written something that answers all or 
most of my questions.  I'm trying to identify that book or manual or 
website, etc.


Don't get me wrong -- I really do appreciate how powerful a tool 
Source Writer might be.  But it assumes a level of knowledge that a 
novice like myself just doesn't have.


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Cathy Pinner

Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:11 PM
To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

Michele has given you the link to a very popular webinar.

You don't have to be a professional to need to cite your sources in a 
way that someone else can understand - that someone could be you in a 
few years time.


There's nothing wrong with using Basic Sources.

The most important thing to get your head around is Master Sources and 
Source Detail. Together they provide everything you or someone else 
needs to know to find the source (or to know why they can't find it 
because it's from a document/Family Bible/etc that you own or saw when 
you visited Uncle John.) A book is easy.

The book is the Master source and the page is the Source Detail.
But what about something you find on FamilySearch?
The easiest way to source FamilySearch data is to create a Basic 
Source with the Master Source just saying FamilySearch in the Source 
List Name (which is your finding aid for refinding a Master Source) 
and FamilySearch in the Title.
Then you can copy and paste the FamilySearch source to the Source 
Detail
- sometimes it will fit in the Source Detail box but often it's too 
long, so put it in the Source Detail Comment and checkmark that to be 
included. The transcription is copy and pasted into the Source Detail 
text and not normally included in the citation.

The same can be done with the source that Ancestry provides.

With the SourceWriter simply remember that you don't have to put 
something in every available box. These are general templates that 
don't always apply.


For online databases and online databases with original images, you 
can use the SourceWriter internet templates for these.
The name of the particular database goes in the Master Source. In the 
source detail something like "entry for Joe Bloggs" and in the credit 
line - where Ancestry etc got the information.
This can be more useful than putting all Ancestry sources into one 
Master Source. It's an advanced step but you can more easily find 
which people you've looked for and found in a particular database if 
you have a Master Source for each database.


It's much harder adding sources later but no reason not to start. Use 
tags to indicate that you have sourced everything you've entered for 
that person. The source icon lights up with just one source so isn't 
useful for letting you know that you still have work to do.


Have fun - I'm still cleaning up sources that I entered when I first 
started that fortunately still make some sense to me but wouldn't to 
anybody else.


Cathy

Michele/Support Thursday, 13 July 2017 5:19 AM

Have you watched Geoff’s free webinar, Sources and Citations Made 
Simple, Standard, and Powerful?  It definitely takes the mystery out 
of it.


https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=201

Michele Simmons Lewis, CG

Legacy Family Tree

mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com
Certified Genealogist is a re

Re: [LegacyUG] Hashtags

[Rune Mattsson]

In my opinion” Hashtags” are something I’ve used for years in Legacy
although I called it “dot tags”

I’ve never liked the tagging, too easy to delete and altered by mistake so
I created hidden events/facts starting with a “.”. I could then add it
(with notation, date and place)  to a person.

I think “Hash tagging” should be useful  if  it coould be used  with other
master data, locations, events  etc.


2017-07-13 18:23 GMT+02:00 Laura Ellene :

> Can anyone explain to me how to set and use hashtags?  I can’t find a
> thing giving instructions on how and where to set them in my help screen or
> instruction book.
>
>
>
> Laura Tynes
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Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

[Dennis Birke]

Thanks for the suggestions.  I have watched Geoff's webinar on citing sources 
and it’s very helpful -- as far as it goes.  I think what I'm looking for is a 
manual that gives examples for the commonly cited sources.

For example, when citing Federal census records, what is the Master source and 
what is the detail?  Is the Master source the record at the state level? Or 
county level?  Or city/town/ township level? 

I'd like to have a reference book or manual that tells me what the standard 
practice is -- so that I don't have to spend hours trying to think it through 
or proceeding on a trial and error basis and then having to re-do a dozen 
entries after discovering I guessed wrong.  

Another example:  Cites like FamilySearch are very helpful in offering full 
citations for some kinds of information.  But, I've been having a very 
difficult time figuring out how to fit those citations into Source Writer (and, 
again, figuring out the appropriate level for separating a "master source" from 
"details".  

I'm thinking I can't be the only person to have struggled with these issues and 
someone has probably written something that answers all or most of my 
questions.  I'm trying to identify that book or manual or website, etc.

Don't get me wrong -- I really do appreciate how powerful a tool Source Writer 
might be.  But it assumes a level of knowledge that a novice like myself just 
doesn't have.

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:11 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

Michele has given you the link to a very popular webinar.

You don't have to be a professional to need to cite your sources in a way that 
someone else can understand - that someone could be you in a few years time.

There's nothing wrong with using Basic Sources.

The most important thing to get your head around is Master Sources and Source 
Detail. Together they provide everything you or someone else needs to know to 
find the source (or to know why they can't find it because it's from a 
document/Family Bible/etc that you own or saw when you visited Uncle John.) A 
book is easy.
The book is the Master source and the page is the Source Detail.
But what about something you find on FamilySearch?
The easiest way to source FamilySearch data is to create a Basic Source with 
the Master Source just saying FamilySearch in the Source List Name (which is 
your finding aid for refinding a Master Source) and FamilySearch in the Title.
Then you can copy and paste the FamilySearch source to the Source Detail
- sometimes it will fit in the Source Detail box but often it's too long, so 
put it in the Source Detail Comment and checkmark that to be included. The 
transcription is copy and pasted into the Source Detail text and not normally 
included in the citation.
The same can be done with the source that Ancestry provides.

With the SourceWriter simply remember that you don't have to put something in 
every available box. These are general templates that don't always apply.

For online databases and online databases with original images, you can use the 
SourceWriter internet templates for these.
The name of the particular database goes in the Master Source. In the source 
detail something like "entry for Joe Bloggs" and in the credit line - where 
Ancestry etc got the information.
This can be more useful than putting all Ancestry sources into one Master 
Source. It's an advanced step but you can more easily find which people you've 
looked for and found in a particular database if you have a Master Source for 
each database.

It's much harder adding sources later but no reason not to start. Use tags to 
indicate that you have sourced everything you've entered for that person. The 
source icon lights up with just one source so isn't useful for letting you know 
that you still have work to do.

Have fun - I'm still cleaning up sources that I entered when I first started 
that fortunately still make some sense to me but wouldn't to anybody else.

Cathy
> Michele/Support 
> Thursday, 13 July 2017 5:19 AM
>
> Have you watched Geoff’s free webinar, Sources and Citations Made 
> Simple, Standard, and Powerful?  It definitely takes the mystery out 
> of it.
>
> https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=201
>
> Michele Simmons Lewis, CG
>
> Legacy Family Tree
>
> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com 
>
> www.legacyfamilytree.com 
>
> Certified Genealogist is a registered trademark and the designation CG 
> is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, 
> used under license by Board certificants who meet competency standards.
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup
> [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis 
> Birke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 12, 201

[LegacyUG] Hashtags

[Laura Ellene]

Can anyone explain to me how to set and use hashtags?  I can't find a thing
giving instructions on how and where to set them in my help screen or
instruction book.

 

Laura Tynes

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Re: [LegacyUG] New features suggestion

[Rick Koelz]

Yes, Donald,
Tell us more about what you're doing with MS Access.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Chris Bayley  wrote:

> Donald,
>
> Could you please elaborate further on your "preprocessing" in MS Access.
>
> I was also a keen user of Ltools with its ability to have more focused
> queries.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris.
>
>
>
> On 13/07/2017 4:54 a.m., Donald Quigley wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
>
>
> Without getting into the FAG question, which others have commented on,
> I’ll second your suggestion that Legacy would be much improved by adding
> simple database tools (like the old LTools) to accommodate changes brought
> about by program updates or other user-specific reasons to move data around
> and do “global” manipulations electronically rather than manually.  I now
> use MS Access to “preprocess” my Legacy fdb database before creating a GED
> file for uploading to my family (TNG) website and to Ancestry.  A
> Millenia-built set of tools  to do similar and other functions would make
> my life a lot easier by not having to write Access queries as I need them.
>
>
>
> Donald Quigley
>
> Escondido, CA
>
> Quigley Doyle Family Tree 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Scott Hall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:58 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] New features suggestion
>
>
>
> I submitted this through Milennia's suggest feature on their website, but
> also thought I'd post it here.
>
> It's great that Milennia keeps adding feature to LFT, but it would be
> really useful if you also added a way to convert existing data to take
> advantage of new features.
>
> For example, Find-a-Grave has been added to the SourceWriter, but no way
> has been provided to convert/update existing data using a different source
> template to the new one.  This leaves the users either having to keep two
> sources for the same source, or manually identify and update the records --
> for users with large files, that's a pain.
>
> In my case, given that LFT had no dedicated place to record Find-a-Grave
> memorial I use the flexible field "UserID" BUT ... when v9 added a
> dedicated field, there was no easy way to convert all the data in the flex
> field to the new field.
>
> In other words, we need some simple database tools added to the program.
> Perhaps not as much as the old LTools provided, but enough to be able to
> have a clean, consistent database that takes advantage of new features.
>
> For reference, my database is 102,100 individuals and growing.  Manually
> moving data around is onerous.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
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