Re: [LegacyUG] We are very sorry. Please forgive us.

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

Hi Ken

Fully understand the pressures you guys are under; just say the word when
everything is back in order...and I won't say a word. At least we now know
what's happening!!!


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Ken McGinnis 
wrote:

> Our old mail server just died.  We tried to get it fixed/restored.  After
> some attempt at that we ended up moving to a new server and list server.
> We are using MailMan for our new list server. The SmarterMail server we
> were using for lists was about 4 years old.  A lot has changed with mailing
> list servers during those years.  We should have taken the time to update
> it sooner but we thought it was working just fine.
>
> When the old mail server died it was without warning.  We had to scramble
> to fix it and after failed attempts we started researching and setting up a
> new mailing list sever.  There was no way to warn everyone that the list
> was going to be moved to a new sever.
>
> Here is a more technical explanation for those who care to know more
> details.
> ===
> Several mail providers have changed how they accept email.  This caused a
> lot of problems a couple years ago especially for mailing list servers and
> the deliver-ability of email from a mailing list.  We had no idea so many
> people who had subscribed were not getting any emails form the old server.
> We had some people complain the during last couple years and our support
> team has worked hard to help get the mail working but many people simply
> couldn't get email from our lists.  We now believe that number is about 1/3
> of all subscribers never saw any email even though they had subscribed to
> the this mailing list.  We had no idea that many had problems.
>
> The new DMARC rules and the digital signature PKI encryption have pretty
> much broken all mail servers.  Mail Servers change email messages by
> adding headers or maybe footers to a message.  They may change the
> subject line to add something like [LegacyUG].  Also the headers in the
> message that contain the deliverable address gets modified by list
> servers.  All of this fiddling with an email is similar to what s p a m m
> e r s use.  So, about 30% of all email providers won't allow emails form
> mailing lists through.  The newer version of MailMan software that we
> moved to works a lot better but isn't perfect.  It handles things better
> by trying to figure out the rules an email provider requires and MailMan
> has options to help improve the deliver-ability by follow those rules.
>
> So, the problem isn't that we just took the liberty of adding a bunch of
> people to a mailing list but rather over the last 3 or so years people
> have subscribed and but never got a confirmation and never received any
> email from the list.   The list still had them as subscribers.  I had backups
> of all the lists that were only about 2 days before the server crashed.
> These exact lists were imported to the new mailing list sever.  Oh, what a
> relief or so we thought. Then the problems started.  We figure that about
> 1/3 of everyone we just put on the new sever started getting emails for the
> first time ever from the list.  Whoa, what's all this email all of a
> sudden.  Then, as all of you have experienced the last couple days the
> "panic/frustration" mail started.  It was one of our users Wendy Howard who
> is a moderator for several mailing lists over at RootsWeb (they use the
> same MailMan software we do) sent me an email and after talking with her
> discovered that we can turn on Emergency Moderation for a while which we
> did yesterday.  The Emergency Moderation will help so we can all get back
> to actual Legacy questions and help.  All of the non-Legacy related emails
> can be worked on off-list by the moderators who can help people get
> unsubscribed.
>
> It will probably take a while for the thousands who are now getting any emails
> for the first time ever to be assisted in getting unsubscribed.  It's too
> bad those people never got to experience what this list is really all
> about.  Users Helping Users.  All of you are Awesome and there are so many
> good people here who give of their time to help others.  Thanks to all of
> you.
>
> We are working as hard as we can to keep everyone happy. Thank you for
> your understanding and we hope this never happens again.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken McGinnis
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com 
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Website

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

Kay, as a former Brothers Keeper user I, too, found Legacy to be the best
'next step' if I can call it that. However, I made the move to Legacy
several years ago (I think I may even be one of their earlier users!!).
I've never looked back - I still love the program. I must admit, though,
that I haven't yet set up a website so it's good to see what is possible
(as well as easy!). Thanks Mary!

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Kay Berg kayberg2...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello Mary, I really appreciate the information about making a web page
 with Legacy. I started out using Brother's Keeper years and years ago and
 only just last fall made the change to Legacy, so I am still learning how
 to use it.  My maternal ancestors are Scots-Irish (Cannon); my
 grandfather's name was Montrose which I think just has to have some
 connection to Scotland, but I may never know for sure. Interesting to
 speculate, though.
 Your web page is excellent and a good model for me to follow.
 Kay

 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote:

  Hi Barton
  Thanks for your kind words about my site.
  Re your question (NB there are no dumb questions!)
  Each Family Tree created by Legacy (Legacy dubs Web Pages) can be
 uploaded as a stand-alone website, and some people do that - no coding
 needed.
  However, my personal website at http://cmy.iay.org.uk/, created and
 maintained by MS FrontPage 2002, incorporates two Family Trees. When I
 create a set of Legacy Web Pages, I save it into a folder on my computer,
 where the rest of my site is stored. Creating a link from the Home Page to
 the Legacy Pages is easy and only required the first time. After that, the
 Legacy pages can be updated and republished anytime with no effort at all.
 It's nice to learn some coding, but you can do without it.
  Regards
  Mary Young
  Edinburgh, Scotland









 On 3 February 2015 at 18:26, BARTON LEWIS bartonle...@optonline.net
 wrote:

 Mary, what a nice website.  Now for a dumb question -- is the Legacy you
 used to create the site the same as Legacy the genealogy software?  I
 wasn't aware you could create a website using the software.  Is that the
 case?  If so, are the instructions on how to go about doing that on the
 software somewhere?  I am not at my home computer so I can't check.  Was it
 difficult to do?  It would seem you need some experience coding to do it or
 someone would have to do it for you.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Encrypting cloud storage

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

Hi David

I use Cloudfogger to encrypt my dropbox files...I haven't had any issues to
date...

Lucy

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:43 PM, David Cripps cri...@netspace.net.au wrote:

 I'm happily using Google Drive to sync all my Legacy data and pictures
   videos,  and  equally  I  guess this question applies to those folk
 using Dropbox as well.

 Does anyone on this List use Encryption for more security on the Cloud
 services ?  What are their experiences of doing so ?

 I'm  only  pondering this question as my son has just popped around to
 finalise  his  resume  and  with  his  permission I now keep a copy in
 Legacy under an event.
 Over  a  coffee  I  started  wondering about the advisability of doing
 this, then of course thought about the possibilities of encryption.

 I  guess  I  might be a tad pedantic  as not every file needs securing
 and  anyway if I was serious about something in particular I could use
 the password facility with 7Zip.

 Thought I'd throw the question out there and see the responses.


 Cheers
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Re: [LegacyUG] Encrypting cloud storage

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

Hi David

I haven't had any issues...usually. If there's a problem all I do is copy
the file to another directory which usually removes the encryption (yes, I
use Dropbox for my Legacy backup files). I transfer files between my
desktop, a laptop (recently replaced with no issues), a tablet, and my cell
phone. But, as I said, this is with Dropbox. I don't know how well it would
work with IDrive...

Lucy

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:12 PM, David Cripps cri...@netspace.net.au
wrote:

   Hello Lucy,


  Monday, November 10, 2014, 2:55:00 PM, you wrote:



  I use Cloudfogger to encrypt my dropbox files...I haven't had any issues
 to date...

 I've looked, but not sure if this is really what I want.

 I  store  my Legacy data  picture files in a sub-folder of the Google
 Drive directory, so the syncing works happily in the background.
 In  other words within Legacy itself (Locations 6.1  6.2) I point the
 program  to run the data files from the Google Drive folder  it works
 just fine.

 If  I  encrypt  those  data  files  they're not going to be usable in
 Legacy though are they ?


 Cheers
 Dave











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Re: [LegacyUG] relationship glitch in Legacy 8

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

There's also a glitch in the relationship calculator! What should be an
aunt nephew relationship shows up as a great grandparent grandchild
relationship!


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Graham Love
love-fam...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote:

 and… one of the worst examples reads:



 3rd cousin -1 times removed * *



 G



 *From:* Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 *Sent:* 15 December 2013 13:28

 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] relationship glitch in Legacy 8



 Just checked - double asterisks still appearing and just noticed some
 relationships have the odd double space. Since I use the CSV relationship
 report as a lookup table for my Word family history book I have some extra
 tidying up to do!

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Re: [LegacyUG] Add unknown wife

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

I,ve been taking it one step further -- I give a totally unknown person as
first name Unk and family name as Unkown. That way, I can use the same
format if I don't have a first name  or a last name. It has worked well for
me although the Legacy program keeps telling me I can't use an adjective as
a name ...

Lucy

On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Tessa Keough murke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sure - you have the father and for his spouse and the mother I just
 name them Unknown, Unknown (others might leave blank but I prefer to
 have some information - you could add what you know about possible
 birth and death timeframes). Then you add second wife (or add
 marriage) and the children will show up with Unknown in ( ) in that
 second marriage.
 Tessa Keough
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Re: [LegacyUG] Please trim

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

My apologies; I reaize that I have been one of the offenders :-) Mea culpa
-- It won't happen again.

Lucy




On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Sherry/Support 
she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 I fully understand. I wish we could convert all messages to plain text
 or block those which aren't - as well as block all attachments.

 Unfortunately our emailer software doesn't give us that option

 Other than certain newsletters, I prefer plain text for all emails.

 I had received a complaint about messages not being trimmed which is
 why I sent out the reminder.

 Not trimming is a universal problem, even on groups where people are
 discussing mobile devices where messages *should* be trimmed because
 not everyone has unlimited data!

 Long untrimmed messagse are simply annoying, esp on mobile devices.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree






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Re: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

I realize that this is becoming very off-topic, especially with my
addition. I do suspect that it is related to the last message. I got a call
one day about two weeks ago from a fellow (knew my name) who claimed he was
calling from Microsoft. My phone indicated that the calling number was
unavailable. He spoke with a distinctly foreign accent which led me to
believe that he was calling from an off shore calling centre. When I asked
for his name he gave me a very common-sounding name -- not quite John Smith
but in that same vein. When I pointed out that his number was unavailable
he explained that Microsoft employees call from many numbers. I was deeply
suspicious especially when he told me that my computer was reporting many
errors...I rarely have them...I kept him on the line because I really
wanted to know what  he was trying to sell me or whatever...but hung up
when I was getting nowhere (his accent was of no help). I reported the
incident to Microsoft and they suspect that his intent was to be able to
access my computer...which, of course, I would never allow.

Just another warning to everyone!

Lucy

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:34 PM, JLB j...@jgen.ws wrote:

 Maybe it's not a Legacy subscriber list they're calling. Do you have any
 web properties that display contact information of any kind? Even your
 name? Facebook account? Names can be looked up in directories for phone
 numbers and addresses. It could be a hit and miss type of thing.
 Compiling as many names associated with the genealogy world as possible
 and matching them up with phone numbers. Ok my mind's going off the deep
 end here but anyone determined can put things together pretty easily.

 I get at least 50-100 junk emails per day and I wonder where did they
 get my address? A lot of it comes to addresses that are not on my
 website. It's illegal to sell/share mailing lists but people do it
 anyway. Why? Money.

 The way I see it - anyone who I don't know (email) or recognize on the
 phone is a stranger. I don't care who they say they are. I don't know
 them. And they don't get to ask me questions.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 8/22/2012 3:58 PM, Sentz wrote:
  I got one of these calls about 6 months ago.  Thought it was odd at the
  time since the guy asked if I'd gotten the latest 7.5 upgrade.  He
  offered to perform a look up for one of my ancestors to show that
  GeneologyBank would be of a benefit. At the time I did not sign up for
  a number of reasons.  I had not thought of the caller being a
  resourceful telemarketing scammer.  Wonder where he got his list of
  Legacy subscribers from.
 
 
  -- Original Message --
  From: JLBj...@jgen.ws
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
  Sent: 8/22/2012 6:00:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank
  Unless I initiated the call myself to a known reputable company to make
  a purchase, I would not be giving out my credit card number and other
  personal information to someone who 'just happened to call'.
 
  I'm not saying it's the case with this, because I just don't know, but I
  do know people have no end of ideas how to get their hands on people's
  personal information. Good idea; check with Legacy. If it's not them,
  someone is pretending to be.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 8/22/2012 2:36 PM, Lavern Hall wrote:
 
 
  Hi Kathy,
  When I first subscribed to GenealogyBank, I received a couple of phone
  calls from them. The nature of their calls were to ask how I liked the
  program and how they could be of help.
  I have never received a call like the one you described from Legacy.
  Unless Legacy Family Tree is having some sort of a marketing campaign,
  it makes me wonder who actually called you. If you haven't done so
  already, it might be a good idea to contact Legacy.
  Best,
  Lavern Hall
  Aurora, Ohio, USA
  On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:40 PM, JLBj...@jgen.wsmailto:j...@jgen.ws
  wrote:
 
  Gee, it sounds like it could have been anyone. Not Legacy and not
  GenealogyBank. It seems like a weird thing for Legacy to be doing.
 
  Perhaps an enterprising marketer? All they would need is your
 credit
 
  card number to make a purchase through their affiliate account.
 
  Then, on the other hand, maybe it was an enterprising marketer who
 just
  wanted your credit card number and all your other personal
 information
  so they could go shopping elsewhere.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 8/22/2012 1:26 PM, Kathy Meyer wrote:
 Just got a call and they identified themselves as calling from
 Legacy
 Family Tree and first thing wanted to know if I'd upgraded to
 version
 7.5 and I said that upgrade happened a really long time ago. He
  wasn't
 talking about any of the version 

Re: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

The only reason the
se scams exist is that, unfortunately, every once in a while they work.
What a world we live in... Just for the record, Microsoft informed me that
they don't make these kinds of calls...:-)

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:39 PM, mvmc...@aol.com wrote:

 **
 I received the same type phone call. He said his name was Andrew and he
 wanted access to my computer. Same reason my computer was indicating a high
 error rate. i said I would call him back and the phone number he gave me
 was an area code that did not exist.

 Marie

 Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL*
 Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C.*
 ---
 CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are
 service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists ® , used under
 license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations.

  In a message dated 8/22/2012 9:17:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 lucy_sh...@umanitoba.ca writes:

 I realize that this is becoming very off-topic, especially with my
 addition. I do suspect that it is related to the last message. I got a call
 one day about two weeks ago from a fellow (knew my name) who claimed he was
 calling from Microsoft. My phone indicated that the calling number was
 unavailable. He spoke with a distinctly foreign accent which led me to
 believe that he was calling from an off shore calling centre. When I asked
 for his name he gave me a very common-sounding name -- not quite John Smith
 but in that same vein. When I pointed out that his number was unavailable
 he explained that Microsoft employees call from many numbers. I was deeply
 suspicious especially when he told me that my computer was reporting many
 errors...I rarely have them...I kept him on the line because I really
 wanted to know what  he was trying to sell me or whatever...but hung up
 when I was getting nowhere (his accent was of no help). I reported the
 incident to Microsoft and they suspect that his intent was to be able to
 access my computer...which, of course, I would never allow.

 Just another warning to everyone!

 Lucy

 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:34 PM, JLB j...@jgen.ws wrote:

 Maybe it's not a Legacy subscriber list they're calling. Do you have any
 web properties that display contact information of any kind? Even your
 name? Facebook account? Names can be looked up in directories for phone
 numbers and addresses. It could be a hit and miss type of thing.
 Compiling as many names associated with the genealogy world as possible
 and matching them up with phone numbers. Ok my mind's going off the deep
 end here but anyone determined can put things together pretty easily.

 I get at least 50-100 junk emails per day and I wonder where did they
 get my address? A lot of it comes to addresses that are not on my
 website. It's illegal to sell/share mailing lists but people do it
 anyway. Why? Money.

 The way I see it - anyone who I don't know (email) or recognize on the
 phone is a stranger. I don't care who they say they are. I don't know
 them. And they don't get to ask me questions.
 ---
 JL Beeken
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

 On 8/22/2012 3:58 PM, Sentz wrote:
  I got one of these calls about 6 months ago.  Thought it was odd at the
  time since the guy asked if I'd gotten the latest 7.5 upgrade.  He
  offered to perform a look up for one of my ancestors to show that
  GeneologyBank would be of a benefit. At the time I did not sign up for
  a number of reasons.  I had not thought of the caller being a
  resourceful telemarketing scammer.  Wonder where he got his list of
  Legacy subscribers from.
 
 
  -- Original Message --
  From: JLBj...@jgen.ws
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
  Sent: 8/22/2012 6:00:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank
  Unless I initiated the call myself to a known reputable company to make
  a purchase, I would not be giving out my credit card number and other
  personal information to someone who 'just happened to call'.
 
  I'm not saying it's the case with this, because I just don't know, but
 I
  do know people have no end of ideas how to get their hands on people's
  personal information. Good idea; check with Legacy. If it's not them,
  someone is pretending to be.
  ---
  JL Beeken
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
 
  On 8/22/2012 2:36 PM, Lavern Hall wrote:
 
 
  Hi Kathy,
  When I first subscribed to GenealogyBank, I received a couple of phone
  calls from them. The nature of their calls were to ask how I liked the
  program and how they could be of help.
  I have never received a call like the one you described from Legacy.
  Unless Legacy Family Tree is having some sort of a marketing campaign,
  it makes me wonder who actually called you. If you haven't done so
  already, it might be a good idea to contact Legacy.
  Best,
  Lavern Hall
  Aurora, Ohio, USA
  

Re: [LegacyUG] Tree

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

I, too, am attempting something along the same line as Joan. I am trying to
create a gedcom that will include only my paternal line (other than my
mother and her parents). I've even tried unlinking my mother's grandparents
from her, together with unlinking my husband from his great grandparents, to
no avail. I've promised a gedcom to some cousins who are really only
interested in 'our' paternal line, hence trying to split the file. I would
prefer not to gtake the chart route because I'm not sure how useful they
would be in terms of starting my cousins on their genealogy :-) Anybody have
any other suggestions?

Lucy

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote:

 Legacy cannot do what I think your after. Tree Draw ! Works great for
 all in one charts or any other type chart. I have had it a long time and
 enjoy the output. There is a large learning curve.

 Tim



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Re: [LegacyUG] Tree

[Lucy McDonald Shore]

That's a very logical way to do it -- except that my database has 43,000
people! It would take quite a while to tag each and every individual I want
:-) You would think that, in this day and age, there would be an easier way!

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are many Legacy users on this list with more experience than I
 have, but could you TAG the persons you want in your cousin's genealogy
 file and then transfer only the TAGGED persons into a new file, so you
 will only be working with and displaying those persons?

 Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org







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