Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Ed Ladendorf]

This is not in reply to any particular post, but about the road this thread
has taken. I don't think anyone meant to go against the rules of the forum.
It happens. Simply trying to offer suggestions to make things easier for
someone else sometimes ruffles another's feathers. I tend to look for the
good in people, and give them the benefit of doubt in most scenarios
(unless they're an obvious troll). So let's please make this post the last
on the subject. Smile a little. Life is too short for bickering.

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Billy Nyhan  wrote:

> Hi Laura
> I could not agree more with you. You summarised my feelings exactly. We
> all need to work together and cut out the bitching.
> Regards Billy Nyhan in Ireland
>
> *From:* Laura Ellene
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 4, 2017 2:16 AM
> *To:* 'Legacy User Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
>
>
> I have been following this.  This is my first post.  We have so much
> strife and bad manners in the world today, this doesn’t seem the place to
> exhibit it.  Even some of the apologies have “digs.”  I think it is
> wonderful for Legacy to host such a forum for users and I am grateful.
>
>
>
> If I went out with “Bill,” I wouldn’t spend the evening talking about
> “Don” or Bill would give me the gate and deservedly so.  I think I
> understand the point Legacy is making and don’t want to kick them for it.
> It is just good manners to not use this forum as an advertisement for a
> competitive product.
>
>
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 7:03 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
>
>
>
> Mea culpa. My desire to help others and my frustration about lack of
> Unicode caused me to briefly forget the harsh reality that Legacy’s bottom
> line is about making money.
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* Sherry
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:07 AM
>
> *To:* Legacy User Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> You only mentioned AQ in passing, but I was commenting on your way of
> thinking that you stated in your first sentence.
>
> I didn't create the rules.
>
>
>
> Certainly other programs have been mentioned in passing, but not quite the
> promotion that the other poster gave.
>
> And yes, Unicode has been on the "wish list" for a long time. However, the
> current programming language that the programmers are using - VB6 - doesn't
> support that. Until they can learn another programming language and port
> Legacy over to that, the program won't be able to support Unicode. Some of
> the most avid users of Legacy have found a "work-around" by using Western
> European fonts - they find the advantages to Legacy far outweigh the
> inability to add their Eastern European ancestry with the correct spelling.
>
> Sherry
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, David Picken  wrote:
>
> Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by
> mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about
> that and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my
> expectations on a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in
> the guidelines.
>
>
>
> That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to
> offer a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the
> performance they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.
>
>
>
> At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of
> all days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user
> group has been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support
> since at least 2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform
> that supports Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times
> in between.
>
>
>
> So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with
> Legacy9, and I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.
>
> Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian,
> Middle Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different
> product?
>
>
>
> Courteously, David
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry :
>
>
>
> This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated
> in the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at
> http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on th

Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Billy Nyhan]

Hi Laura
I could not agree more with you. You summarised my feelings exactly. We all 
need to work together and cut out the bitching.
Regards Billy Nyhan in Ireland

From: Laura Ellene 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 2:16 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

I have been following this.  This is my first post.  We have so much strife and 
bad manners in the world today, this doesn’t seem the place to exhibit it.  
Even some of the apologies have “digs.”  I think it is wonderful for Legacy to 
host such a forum for users and I am grateful.

 

If I went out with “Bill,” I wouldn’t spend the evening talking about “Don” or 
Bill would give me the gate and deservedly so.  I think I understand the point 
Legacy is making and don’t want to kick them for it.  It is just good manners 
to not use this forum as an advertisement for a competitive product.

 

Laura

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 7:03 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

 

Mea culpa. My desire to help others and my frustration about lack of Unicode 
caused me to briefly forget the harsh reality that Legacy’s bottom line is 
about making money.

John

 

From: Sherry 

Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:07 AM

To: Legacy User Group 

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

 

Dave,

You only mentioned AQ in passing, but I was commenting on your way of thinking 
that you stated in your first sentence.

I didn't create the rules.

 

Certainly other programs have been mentioned in passing, but not quite the 
promotion that the other poster gave.

And yes, Unicode has been on the "wish list" for a long time. However, the 
current programming language that the programmers are using - VB6 - doesn't 
support that. Until they can learn another programming language and port Legacy 
over to that, the program won't be able to support Unicode. Some of the most 
avid users of Legacy have found a "work-around" by using Western European fonts 
- they find the advantages to Legacy far outweigh the inability to add their 
Eastern European ancestry with the correct spelling.

Sherry

 

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, David Picken  wrote:

Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by 
mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about that 
and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my expectations on 
a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in the guidelines.

 

That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to offer 
a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the performance 
they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.

 

At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of all 
days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user group has 
been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support since at least 
2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform that supports 
Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times in between.





So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with Legacy9, and 
I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.

Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian, Middle 
Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different product?

 

Courteously, David

 

 

Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry :

 

This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated in 
the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page where 
you signed up to join the group)

The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about 
using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you 
can't find the answers or figure out something

The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.

Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone to 
be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??

 

The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they used 
to. 

In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support questions 
for technical support and Suggestions for new features or enhancing existing 
ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or some other new feature.

 

 

Sherry

 

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken  wrote:

I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion 
platform for Legacy. 

 

What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible 
genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results in 
the bes

Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Kris]

Businesses that don't make money aren't around long. I *hope* they're 
making money!  I won't mention the "other" genealogy programs that 
aren't available anymore because they weren't making enough money.  :-)


On 5/3/2017 7:02 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:

Mea culpa. My desire to help others and my frustration about lack of
Unicode caused me to briefly forget the harsh reality that Legacy’s
bottom line is about making money.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Laura Ellene]

I have been following this.  This is my first post.  We have so much strife and 
bad manners in the world today, this doesn’t seem the place to exhibit it.  
Even some of the apologies have “digs.”  I think it is wonderful for Legacy to 
host such a forum for users and I am grateful.

 

If I went out with “Bill,” I wouldn’t spend the evening talking about “Don” or 
Bill would give me the gate and deservedly so.  I think I understand the point 
Legacy is making and don’t want to kick them for it.  It is just good manners 
to not use this forum as an advertisement for a competitive product.

 

Laura

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 7:03 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

 

Mea culpa. My desire to help others and my frustration about lack of Unicode 
caused me to briefly forget the harsh reality that Legacy’s bottom line is 
about making money.

John

 

From: Sherry <mailto:hot.rod.w...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:07 AM

To: Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>  

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

 

Dave,

You only mentioned AQ in passing, but I was commenting on your way of thinking 
that you stated in your first sentence.

I didn't create the rules.

 

Certainly other programs have been mentioned in passing, but not quite the 
promotion that the other poster gave.

And yes, Unicode has been on the "wish list" for a long time. However, the 
current programming language that the programmers are using - VB6 - doesn't 
support that. Until they can learn another programming language and port Legacy 
over to that, the program won't be able to support Unicode. Some of the most 
avid users of Legacy have found a "work-around" by using Western European fonts 
- they find the advantages to Legacy far outweigh the inability to add their 
Eastern European ancestry with the correct spelling.

Sherry

 

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, David Picken  wrote:

Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by 
mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about that 
and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my expectations on 
a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in the guidelines.

 

That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to offer 
a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the performance 
they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.

 

At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of all 
days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user group has 
been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support since at least 
2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform that supports 
Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times in between.





So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with Legacy9, and 
I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.

Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian, Middle 
Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different product?

 

Courteously, David

 

 

Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry :

 

This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated in 
the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page where 
you signed up to join the group)

The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about 
using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you 
can't find the answers or figure out something

The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.

Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone to 
be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??

 

The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they used 
to. 

In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support questions 
for technical support and Suggestions for new features or enhancing existing 
ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or some other new feature.

 

 

Sherry

 

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken  wrote:

I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion 
platform for Legacy. 

 

What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible 
genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results in 
the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.

 

If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as 
marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy, and 
if anyone

Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[johnbernacki1]

Mea culpa. My desire to help others and my frustration about lack of Unicode 
caused me to briefly forget the harsh reality that Legacy’s bottom line is 
about making money.

John


From: Sherry 
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:07 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

Dave,


You only mentioned AQ in passing, but I was commenting on your way of thinking 
that you stated in your first sentence.


I didn't create the rules.


Certainly other programs have been mentioned in passing, but not quite the 
promotion that the other poster gave.


And yes, Unicode has been on the "wish list" for a long time. However, the 
current programming language that the programmers are using - VB6 - doesn't 
support that. Until they can learn another programming language and port Legacy 
over to that, the program won't be able to support Unicode. Some of the most 
avid users of Legacy have found a "work-around" by using Western European fonts 
- they find the advantages to Legacy far outweigh the inability to add their 
Eastern European ancestry with the correct spelling.


Sherry


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, David Picken  wrote:

  Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by 
mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about that 
and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my expectations on 
a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in the guidelines.

  That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to 
offer a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the 
performance they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.

  At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of all 
days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user group has 
been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support since at least 
2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform that supports 
Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times in between.


  So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with Legacy9, 
and I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.
  Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian, Middle 
Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different product?

  Courteously, David


  Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry :

  This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated in 
the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page where 
you signed up to join the group)

  The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about 
using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you 
can't find the answers or figure out something


  The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.


  Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone to 
be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??


  The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they 
used to. 

  In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support questions 
for technical support and Suggestions for new features or enhancing existing 
ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or some other new feature.



  Sherry



  On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken  wrote:

I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion 
platform for Legacy. 

What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible 
genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results in 
the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.

If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as 
marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy, and 
if anyone sends people off to look at other products without justification, 
then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay with Legacy.

As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it 
worked for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and places. 
And I am not associated with AQ in any way :-)

Best, David



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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Sherry]

Dave,

You only mentioned AQ in passing, but I was commenting on your way of
thinking that you stated in your first sentence.

I didn't create the rules.

Certainly other programs have been mentioned in passing, but not quite the
promotion that the other poster gave.

And yes, Unicode has been on the "wish list" for a long time. However, the
current programming language that the programmers are using - VB6 - doesn't
support that. Until they can learn another programming language and port
Legacy over to that, the program won't be able to support Unicode. Some of
the most avid users of Legacy have found a "work-around" by using Western
European fonts - they find the advantages to Legacy far outweigh the
inability to add their Eastern European ancestry with the correct spelling.

Sherry

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, David Picken  wrote:

> Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by
> mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about
> that and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my
> expectations on a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in
> the guidelines.
>
> That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to
> offer a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the
> performance they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.
>
> At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of
> all days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user
> group has been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support
> since at least 2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform
> that supports Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times
> in between.
>
> So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with
> Legacy9, and I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.
> Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian,
> Middle Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different
> product?
>
> Courteously, David
>
>
> Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry :
>
> This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated
> in the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at
> http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page
> where you signed up to join the group)
>
> The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about
> using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you
> can't find the answers or figure out something
>
> The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.
>
> Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone
> to be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??
>
> The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they
> used to.
>
> In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support
> questions for technical support and Suggestions for new features or
> enhancing existing ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or
> some other new feature.
>
>
> Sherry
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken  wrote:
>
>> I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion
>> platform for Legacy.
>>
>> What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible
>> genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results
>> in the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.
>>
>> If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as
>> marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy,
>> and if anyone sends people off to look at other products without
>> justification, then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay
>> with Legacy.
>>
>> As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it
>> worked for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and
>> places. And I am not associated with AQ in any way :-)
>>
>> Best, David
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[David Picken]

Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by 
mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about that 
and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my expectations on 
a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in the guidelines.

That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to offer 
a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the performance 
they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.

At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of all 
days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user group has 
been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support since at least 
2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform that supports 
Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times in between.

So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with Legacy9, and 
I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.
Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian, Middle 
Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different product?

Courteously, David


Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry :

This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated in 
the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp 
 (the link is on the page where 
you signed up to join the group)

The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about 
using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you 
can't find the answers or figure out something

The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.

Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone to 
be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??

The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they used 
to. 

In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support questions 
for technical support and Suggestions for new features or enhancing existing 
ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or some other new feature.


Sherry


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken mailto:dpic...@web.de>> wrote:
I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion 
platform for Legacy.

What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible 
genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results in 
the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.

If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as 
marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy, and 
if anyone sends people off to look at other products without justification, 
then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay with Legacy.

As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it worked 
for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and places. And I am 
not associated with AQ in any way :-)

Best, David


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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Sherry]

This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated
in the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page
where you signed up to join the group)

The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about
using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you
can't find the answers or figure out something

The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.

Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone
to be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??

The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they
used to.

In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support
questions for technical support and Suggestions for new features or
enhancing existing ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or
some other new feature.


Sherry


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken  wrote:

> I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion
> platform for Legacy.
>
> What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible
> genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results
> in the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.
>
> If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as
> marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy,
> and if anyone sends people off to look at other products without
> justification, then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay
> with Legacy.
>
> As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it
> worked for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and
> places. And I am not associated with AQ in any way :-)
>
> Best, David
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[David Picken]

I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion 
platform for Legacy.

What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible 
genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results in 
the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.

If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as 
marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy, and 
if anyone sends people off to look at other products without justification, 
then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay with Legacy.

As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it worked 
for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and places. And I am 
not associated with AQ in any way :-)

Best, David




Am 20170503 um 09:09 schrieb  
:

Bob,

I think many in the LUG, like me, use Legacy as their main program for building 
their family but also use other programs for the rare things Legacy cannot do. 
As you said, they all have limitations. At the end of the day, all programs are 
merely tools to be used how we want for our own purposes. A mechanic does not 
limit his toolbox to  only one spanner or one screw driver. For my needs, 
Legacy would be as close as possible to perfect, if it had Unicode. 
Unfortunately, just before publishing anything, I need to export my family file 
to RootsMagic. It is not as versatile as Legacy and its interface / screens are 
hard for me to use due to my dyslexia.

If Legacy does everything you want, you are very lucky but please do stop other 
users from helping each other to keep using Legacy by suggesting ways around 
its limitations. Legacy itself advertises supplementary tools such as charting 
and mapping software.

John

 
From: bobstree2 <mailto:bobstr...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 4:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
 
I'm just a user but find it very rude for people to use Legacy's free forum to 
recommend or suggest using other programs.  I think you should find another 
platform to do that.   Even a dog does not drop his dirt where he eats. 
 
We are here because we want to learn and teach one another how to use Legacy 
more effectively.  We are committed to the program despite it's minor things 
that don't match our ideal.  But all programs have those issues. You will never 
find the perfect product.  So, if you think another program is for you,  then 
please leave the forum and broadcast your favorite program on another forum.   
Stop disrespecting Legacy and it's family of users.
 
 
 
 
 
 Original message 
From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Date: 5/3/17 2:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
 
Izhak,

Family Tree Maker 2017 may have what you want. It is overdue for release 
(release was delayed due to bugs). I have never used it so I do not know if it 
would suit you. Perhaps others in the Legacy User Group can tell you. My 
impression is that it is very versatile. Like you, I really like Legacy but it 
does not have a feature which is very important to me- Unicode. Unfortunately 
for me FTM does not have Unicode either. Maybe you will have better luck.

My understanding is FTM is now fully owned by mackiev.com and independent from 
ancestry.com. These links give some information about it.

https://support.mackiev.com/ <>
https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/family-tree-maker <>
John

 
From: Itzhak Epstein <mailto:ie...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
 
Cathy,

Yes.  I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully understood why 
baptism and burial for which there may be documentation are reasonable 
surrogates for birth and death respectively.

As for my aside about "cause of death", I was surprised by the fifth default 
item in the family view screen.  Why is it so important?  BTW:  RootsMagic 
includes this item (also burial but not christening) in its default 
customizable data entry screen.

It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy family file, 
we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity to substitute 
events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of reports' templates.  

I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did not deem it a priority.

I am looking for a genealogy database program to recommend to collaborating 
relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary program, is not suitable.  
Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am still reluctant to recommend it.

Itzhak



At 01:14 AM 5/2/2017, you wrote:
> Itzhak,
> 
> You are confusing the Family View screen which you can c

Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[johnbernacki1]

Bob,

I think many in the LUG, like me, use Legacy as their main program for building 
their family but also use other programs for the rare things Legacy cannot do. 
As you said, they all have limitations. At the end of the day, all programs are 
merely tools to be used how we want for our own purposes. A mechanic does not 
limit his toolbox to only one spanner or one screw driver. For my needs, Legacy 
would be as close as possible to perfect, if it had Unicode. Unfortunately, 
just before publishing anything, I need to export my family file to RootsMagic. 
It is not as versatile as Legacy and its interface / screens are hard for me to 
use due to my dyslexia.

If Legacy does everything you want, you are very lucky but please do stop other 
users from helping each other to keep using Legacy by suggesting ways around 
its limitations. Legacy itself advertises supplementary tools such as charting 
and mapping software.

John


From: bobstree2 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 4:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

I'm just a user but find it very rude for people to use Legacy's free forum to 
recommend or suggest using other programs.  I think you should find another 
platform to do that.   Even a dog does not drop his dirt where he eats.  

We are here because we want to learn and teach one another how to use Legacy 
more effectively.  We are committed to the program despite it's minor things 
that don't match our ideal.  But all programs have those issues. You will never 
find the perfect product.  So, if you think another program is for you,  then 
please leave the forum and broadcast your favorite program on another forum.   
Stop disrespecting Legacy and it's family of users. 





 Original message 
From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
Date: 5/3/17 2:01 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Legacy User Group  
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events 

Izhak,

Family Tree Maker 2017 may have what you want. It is overdue for release 
(release was delayed due to bugs). I have never used it so I do not know if it 
would suit you. Perhaps others in the Legacy User Group can tell you. My 
impression is that it is very versatile. Like you, I really like Legacy but it 
does not have a feature which is very important to me- Unicode. Unfortunately 
for me FTM does not have Unicode either. Maybe you will have better luck.

My understanding is FTM is now fully owned by mackiev.com and independent from 
ancestry.com. These links give some information about it.

https://support.mackiev.com/

https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/family-tree-maker 

John


From: Itzhak Epstein 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

Cathy,

Yes.  I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully understood why 
baptism and burial for which there may be documentation are reasonable 
surrogates for birth and death respectively.

As for my aside about "cause of death", I was surprised by the fifth default 
item in the family view screen.  Why is it so important?  BTW:  RootsMagic 
includes this item (also burial but not christening) in its default 
customizable data entry screen.

It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy family file, 
we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity to substitute 
events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of reports' templates.  

I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did not deem it a priority.

I am looking for a genealogy database program to recommend to collaborating 
relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary program, is not suitable.  
Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am still reluctant to recommend it.

Itzhak



At 01:14 AM 5/2/2017, you wrote:

  Itzhak,

  You are confusing the Family View screen which you can customise as you have, 
with the Individual Information screen.

  The Family View screen is just a display of your data.

  The Individual Information screen is where you enter the data.
  Note to enter Cause of Death you have to open the Notes icon and choose the 
Medical tab. It doesn't have a data entry field on the Individual Information 
screen.

  Yes it takes more clicks or keyboard shortcuts to enter Occupation, Residence 
and Immigration. 
  There can be multiple events for all of those taking them out of Events/Facts 
wouldn't be particularly helpful to most people.
  Where they are, you have a lot of control how they are used.
  People do not have that control over the "vital events" of birth, 
baptism/christening, death and buried.

  For my research the christening and buried fields are as important as the 
birth and death fields for earlier generations as they are the dates that were 
recorded. I will never know the birth or death dates of many people because 
they weren't recorded anywhere. I know that shows a Western

Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[bobstree2]

I'm just a user but find it very rude for people to use Legacy's free forum to 
recommend or suggest using other programs.  I think you should find another 
platform to do that.   Even a dog does not drop his dirt where he eats.  
We are here because we want to learn and teach one another how to use Legacy 
more effectively.  We are committed to the program despite it's minor things 
that don't match our ideal.  But all programs have those issues. You will never 
find the perfect product.  So, if you think another program is for you,  then 
please leave the forum and broadcast your favorite program on another forum.   
Stop disrespecting Legacy and it's family of users. 




 Original message From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au Date: 
5/3/17  2:01 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Legacy User Group 
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default 
Events 



Izhak,
Family Tree Maker 2017 
may have what you want. It is overdue for release (release was delayed due to 
bugs). I have never used it so I do not know if it would suit you. Perhaps 
others in the Legacy User Group can tell you. My impression is that it is very 
versatile. Like you, I really like Legacy but it does not have a feature which 
is very important to me- Unicode. Unfortunately for me FTM does not have 
Unicode 
either. Maybe you will have better luck.
My understanding is FTM 
is now fully owned by mackiev.com and independent from ancestry.com. These 
links 
give some information about it.
https://support.mackiev.com/
https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/family-tree-maker 
John


 

From: Itzhak Epstein 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
 
Cathy,

Yes.  
I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully understood why 
baptism and burial for which there may be documentation are reasonable 
surrogates for birth and death respectively.

As for my aside about "cause 
of death", I was surprised by the fifth default item in the family view 
screen.  Why is it so important?  BTW:  RootsMagic includes this 
item (also burial but not christening) in its default customizable data entry 
screen.

It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy 
family file, we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity 
to substitute events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of 
reports' templates.  

I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did 
not deem it a priority.

I am looking for a genealogy database program to 
recommend to collaborating relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary 
program, is not suitable.  Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am 
still reluctant to recommend it.

Itzhak



At 01:14 AM 
5/2/2017, you wrote:

Itzhak,

You are confusing 
  the Family View screen which you can customise as you have, with the 
  Individual Information screen.

The Family View screen is just a display 
  of your data.

The Individual Information screen is where you enter the 
  data.
Note to enter Cause of Death you have to open the Notes icon and 
  choose the Medical tab. It doesn't have a data entry field on the Individual 
  Information screen.

Yes it takes more clicks or keyboard shortcuts to 
  enter Occupation, Residence and Immigration. 
There can be multiple events 
  for all of those taking them out of Events/Facts wouldn't be particularly 
  helpful to most people.
Where they are, you have a lot of control how they 
  are used.
People do not have that control over the "vital events" of birth, 
  baptism/christening, death and buried.

For my research the christening 
  and buried fields are as important as the birth and death fields for earlier 
  generations as they are the dates that were recorded. I will never know the 
  birth or death dates of many people because they weren't recorded anywhere. I 
  know that shows a Western/Christian bias. 

So I support the option to 
  be able to define which birth alternative/equivalent field is used so that 
  people from other cultures some use it.

Cathy

Itzhak Epstein 
  wrote:

  
My individual information 
screen is already configured to show born, 
died, residence, occupation, 
immigration.

Then, when I try to add a relative, I can easily baptize 
and bury 
her/him. If I want to indicate immigration, occupation or 
residence 
the event's entry screen can be found with a click and few 
additional 
key strokes.

People are born and they die. Some are 
baptized and buried, but other 
events may be more significant to the 
researcher or in her/his culture.

I still do not understand why cause 
of death was given such prominent 
billing in the individual information 
screen.

Itzhak


At 12:20 PM 5/1/2017, you wrote:


On 01 May 2017 15:38, Bob 
  Austen wrote:

  
Maybe I am missing your 
point…

You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of 

Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[johnbernacki1]

Izhak,

Family Tree Maker 2017 may have what you want. It is overdue for release 
(release was delayed due to bugs). I have never used it so I do not know if it 
would suit you. Perhaps others in the Legacy User Group can tell you. My 
impression is that it is very versatile. Like you, I really like Legacy but it 
does not have a feature which is very important to me- Unicode. Unfortunately 
for me FTM does not have Unicode either. Maybe you will have better luck.

My understanding is FTM is now fully owned by mackiev.com and independent from 
ancestry.com. These links give some information about it.

https://support.mackiev.com/

https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/family-tree-maker 

John


From: Itzhak Epstein 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

Cathy,

Yes.  I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully understood why 
baptism and burial for which there may be documentation are reasonable 
surrogates for birth and death respectively.

As for my aside about "cause of death", I was surprised by the fifth default 
item in the family view screen.  Why is it so important?  BTW:  RootsMagic 
includes this item (also burial but not christening) in its default 
customizable data entry screen.

It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy family file, 
we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity to substitute 
events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of reports' templates.  

I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did not deem it a priority.

I am looking for a genealogy database program to recommend to collaborating 
relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary program, is not suitable.  
Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am still reluctant to recommend it.

Itzhak



At 01:14 AM 5/2/2017, you wrote:

  Itzhak,

  You are confusing the Family View screen which you can customise as you have, 
with the Individual Information screen.

  The Family View screen is just a display of your data.

  The Individual Information screen is where you enter the data.
  Note to enter Cause of Death you have to open the Notes icon and choose the 
Medical tab. It doesn't have a data entry field on the Individual Information 
screen.

  Yes it takes more clicks or keyboard shortcuts to enter Occupation, Residence 
and Immigration. 
  There can be multiple events for all of those taking them out of Events/Facts 
wouldn't be particularly helpful to most people.
  Where they are, you have a lot of control how they are used.
  People do not have that control over the "vital events" of birth, 
baptism/christening, death and buried.

  For my research the christening and buried fields are as important as the 
birth and death fields for earlier generations as they are the dates that were 
recorded. I will never know the birth or death dates of many people because 
they weren't recorded anywhere. I know that shows a Western/Christian bias. 

  So I support the option to be able to define which birth 
alternative/equivalent field is used so that people from other cultures some 
use it.

  Cathy

  Itzhak Epstein wrote:


My individual information screen is already configured to show born, 
died, residence, occupation, immigration.

Then, when I try to add a relative, I can easily baptize and bury 
her/him. If I want to indicate immigration, occupation or residence 
the event's entry screen can be found with a click and few additional 
key strokes.

People are born and they die. Some are baptized and buried, but other 
events may be more significant to the researcher or in her/his culture.

I still do not understand why cause of death was given such prominent 
billing in the individual information screen.

Itzhak


At 12:20 PM 5/1/2017, you wrote:


  On 01 May 2017 15:38, Bob Austen wrote:


Maybe I am missing your point…

You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of many choices, 
including
‘Occupation’.

By clicking on the ‘event title’ brings up a screen where you can
‘Customize Family View Information’. Then clicking on the box with 
the
three dots in it you can change the event to one of many.


  I think that what Itzhak is talking about is on the Individual's 
  Information screen, where he wants the option of replacing the Born, 
  Chr/Bap, Died and Buried dates/locations with other events that are 
  more relevant to him and his research. Can't see it happening: people are 
born, they live and die. What other Vital events can there be?

  -- 
  Regards
  Mike Fry (Jhb)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Itzhak Epstein]

Cathy,
Yes.  I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully
understood why baptism and burial for which there may be documentation
are reasonable surrogates for birth and death respectively.
As for my aside about "cause of death", I was surprised by the
fifth default item in the family view screen.  Why is it so
important?  BTW:  RootsMagic includes this item (also burial
but not christening) in its default customizable data entry
screen.
It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy family
file, we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity
to substitute events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of
reports' templates.  
I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did not deem it a
priority.
I am looking for a genealogy database program to recommend to
collaborating relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary program,
is not suitable.  Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am
still reluctant to recommend it.
Itzhak

At 01:14 AM 5/2/2017, you wrote:
Itzhak,
You are confusing the Family View screen which you can customise as you
have, with the Individual Information screen.
The Family View screen is just a display of your data.
The Individual Information screen is where you enter the data.
Note to enter Cause of Death you have to open the Notes icon and choose
the Medical tab. It doesn't have a data entry field on the Individual
Information screen.
Yes it takes more clicks or keyboard shortcuts to enter Occupation,
Residence and Immigration. 
There can be multiple events for all of those taking them out of
Events/Facts wouldn't be particularly helpful to most people.
Where they are, you have a lot of control how they are used.
People do not have that control over the "vital events" of
birth, baptism/christening, death and buried.
For my research the christening and buried fields are as important as the
birth and death fields for earlier generations as they are the dates that
were recorded. I will never know the birth or death dates of many people
because they weren't recorded anywhere. I know that shows a
Western/Christian bias. 
So I support the option to be able to define which birth
alternative/equivalent field is used so that people from other cultures
some use it.
Cathy
Itzhak Epstein wrote:

My individual information screen is already configured to show born,

died, residence, occupation, immigration.
Then, when I try to add a relative, I can easily baptize and bury 
her/him. If I want to indicate immigration, occupation or residence 
the event's entry screen can be found with a click and few additional

key strokes.
People are born and they die. Some are baptized and buried, but other

events may be more significant to the researcher or in her/his
culture.
I still do not understand why cause of death was given such prominent

billing in the individual information screen.
Itzhak

At 12:20 PM 5/1/2017, you wrote:

On 01 May 2017 15:38, Bob Austen wrote:

Maybe I am missing your point…
You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of many choices,
including
‘Occupation’.

By clicking on the ‘event title’ brings up a screen where you
can
‘Customize Family View Information’. Then clicking on the box with
the
three dots in it you can change the event to one of
many.
I think that what Itzhak is talking about is on the Individual's 
Information screen, where he wants the option of replacing the Born,

Chr/Bap, Died and Buried dates/locations with other events that are 
more relevant to him and his research. Can't see it happening: people
are born, they live and die. What other Vital events can there
be?
-- 
Regards
Mike Fry (Jhb)
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Cathy Pinner]

Itzhak,

You are confusing the Family View screen which you can customise as you 
have, with the Individual Information screen.


The Family View screen is just a display of your data.

The Individual Information screen is where you enter the data.
Note to enter Cause of Death you have to open the Notes icon and choose 
the Medical tab. It doesn't have a data entry field on the Individual 
Information screen.


Yes it takes more clicks or keyboard shortcuts to enter Occupation, 
Residence and Immigration.
There can be multiple events for all of those taking them out of 
Events/Facts wouldn't be particularly helpful to most people.

Where they are, you have a lot of control how they are used.
People do not have that control over the "vital events" of birth, 
baptism/christening, death and buried.


For my research the christening and buried fields are as important as 
the birth and death fields for earlier generations as they are the dates 
that were recorded. I will never know the birth or death dates of many 
people because they weren't recorded anywhere. I know that shows a 
Western/Christian bias.


So I support the option to be able to define which birth 
alternative/equivalent field is used so that people from other cultures 
some use it.


Cathy

Itzhak Epstein wrote:


My individual information screen is already configured to show born,
died, residence, occupation, immigration.

Then, when I try to add a relative, I can easily baptize and bury
her/him. If I want to indicate immigration, occupation or residence
the event's entry screen can be found with a click and few additional
key strokes.

People are born and they die. Some are baptized and buried, but other
events may be more significant to the researcher or in her/his culture.

I still do not understand why cause of death was given such prominent
billing in the individual information screen.

Itzhak


At 12:20 PM 5/1/2017, you wrote:


On 01 May 2017 15:38, Bob Austen wrote:


Maybe I am missing your point…

You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of many choices, including
‘Occupation’.

By clicking on the ‘event title’ brings up a screen where you can
‘Customize Family View Information’. Then clicking on the box with the
three dots in it you can change the event to one of many.



I think that what Itzhak is talking about is on the Individual's
Information screen, where he wants the option of replacing the Born,
Chr/Bap, Died and Buried dates/locations with other events that are
more relevant to him and his research. Can't see it happening: people
are born, they live and die. What other Vital events can there be?

--
Regards
Mike Fry (Jhb)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Itzhak Epstein]

My individual information screen is already configured to show born,
died, residence, occupation, immigration.
Then, when I try to add a relative, I can easily baptize and bury
her/him.  If  I want to indicate immigration, occupation or
residence the event's entry screen  can be found with a click and
few additional key strokes.
People are born and they die.  Some are baptized and buried, but
other events may be more significant to the researcher or in her/his
culture.
I still do not understand why cause of death was given such 
prominent billing in the individual information screen.
Itzhak

At 12:20 PM 5/1/2017, you wrote:
On 01 May 2017 15:38, Bob Austen
wrote:
Maybe I am missing your
point…
You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of many choices,
including
‘Occupation’.
By clicking on the ‘event title’ brings up a screen where you can
‘Customize Family View Information’.  Then clicking on the box with
the
three dots in it you can change the event to one of many.

I think that what Itzhak is talking about is on the Individual's
Information screen, where he wants the option of replacing the Born,
Chr/Bap, Died and Buried dates/locations with other events that are more
relevant to him and his research. Can't see it happening: people are
born, they live and die. What other Vital events can there be?
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Brian Kelly]

Mike, I think Itzhak needs a straight event driven database model 
instead of the Legacy one which treats the "Vital" Events in a special 
way and always displays those in the entry screen. I think there are 
some programs that are organized that way but I have never used one with 
that orientation.


I do not know how those types of programs identify the Legacy Vital 
Events, or if they even bother.


Brian Kelly

On 01-May-17 12:20 PM, Mike Fry wrote:

On 01 May 2017 15:38, Bob Austen wrote:

Maybe I am missing your point…

You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of many choices, including
‘Occupation’.

By clicking on the ‘event title’ brings up a screen where you can
‘Customize Family View Information’.  Then clicking on the box with the
three dots in it you can change the event to one of many.



I think that what Itzhak is talking about is on the Individual's
Information screen, where he wants the option of replacing the Born,
Chr/Bap, Died and Buried dates/locations with other events that are more
relevant to him and his research. Can't see it happening: people are
born, they live and die. What other Vital events can there be?




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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Denise Moss-Fritch]

Itzhak,

 

Well, that depends upon which window (main application or Individual's
information) where you want the specialty displays.

 

If you want to change the main application window's data display, try the
following:

1.  Right click on any of the five default field labels (Born, Chr,
Died, Buried, or DthCau).
2.  From the Customize dialog, click on the three dot icon [,,,] to open
the Field Names to Display dialog.
3.  Scroll through the list and select a field name to replace the field
label you selected to replace.
4.  When finished, click Close.

 

Note that this change is only on the main application window and does not
change the information shown in the Individual's Information dialog. Also
note that from the Customize dialog you can return to the default field list
([Default] button) along with saving a specific rename of the main
application window data (the Save and Load buttons on the Customize dialog).

 

Is this change to the information display on the main application window
what you wanted?

 

Denise

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 5:26 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

 

Hi Itzhak been a big pain with me also I have printed about 6 books on
family trees, I just put in the christening spot; Occupation; Sleeper
Cutter. for example looks badly out of place but it get the information I
need, just say to people its the way the program is set-up
would-be very nice if more options were available

Ron



On 1/05/2017 4:10 PM, Itzhak Epstein wrote:

Dear all,

I posted the message below four years ago.

Legacy v. 9 was released recently but it does nor appear to have addressed
my concerns below, or am I wrong?

I am impressed with Legacy but have not made it my primary genealogy
program.

Itzhak



At 04:05 PM 5/15/2013, I wrote:



I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,

Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be hardwired
to four initial events -- born, christened, died and buried. Other events
have to be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody in my database was
baptized, and even their circumcision dates are not particularly important
to me.  Similarly, burial data is not that important to me.  On the other
hand, residence and occupation data are important to me. How do I replace
"christened" and "buried" in that window with other events?

The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of death" and
I replaced three of the events in it.  This deals with display but not with
data entry.

Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY
< mailto:ie...@earthlink.net <mailto:ie...@earthlink.net> > 

Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Mike Fry]

On 01 May 2017 15:38, Bob Austen wrote:

Maybe I am missing your point…

You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of many choices, including
‘Occupation’.

By clicking on the ‘event title’ brings up a screen where you can
‘Customize Family View Information’.  Then clicking on the box with the
three dots in it you can change the event to one of many.



I think that what Itzhak is talking about is on the Individual's 
Information screen, where he wants the option of replacing the Born, 
Chr/Bap, Died and Buried dates/locations with other events that are more 
relevant to him and his research. Can't see it happening: people are 
born, they live and die. What other Vital events can there be?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Cathy Pinner]

Itzhak
You are not the only one who would like the ability to change the 
Christening field.
It's possible in the future that some options could be added for other 
near birth events as this is a special field which is used as a birth 
alternative when birth information is not available. There are certainly 
suggestions officially logged for that.


However, Events like Occupation and Residence belong in Events/Facts 
section where there are default sentences provided or you can write your 
own.

As you know these can be displayed on the Family View screen if desired.

If you use the Christening field for different purposes, you'd either 
have to always edit your reports in a Word Processor or leave that field 
out of reports as it wouldn't make sense as Ron has discovered. But this 
is not a program fault as Legacy provides perfectly good events where 
this information is supposed to be entered.


Cathy

Bob Austen wrote:


Hi Itzhak and Ron,

Maybe I am missing your point…

You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of many choices, including
‘Occupation’.

By clicking on the ‘event title’ brings up a screen where you can
‘Customize Family View Information’. Then clicking on the box with the
three dots in it you can change the event to one of many.

You can change ‘Christening’ to ‘Occupation’

Click on the ‘Christening’ title

Click on the box (with 3 dots) on the appropriate title (Christening)
to be changed

Scroll down to ‘Event’ and then ‘Select’

Then choose ‘Occupation’ from the ‘Master Event Definition List’

And you now have ‘Occupation’ in place of ‘Christening’.

You may also have different scenarios saved and can load them to suit
your changing needs.

Ron, I haven’t checked on how this prints out on reports but suspect
your point is well taken.

Bob Austen

*From:*LegacyUserGroup
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron
*Sent:* Monday, May 1, 2017 5:26 AM
*To:* Legacy User Group
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

Hi Itzhak been a big pain with me also I have printed about 6 books on
family trees, I just put in the christening spot; Occupation; Sleeper
Cutter. for example looks badly out of place but it get the
information I need, just say to people its the way the program is set-up
would-be very nice if more options were available

Ron



On 1/05/2017 4:10 PM, Itzhak Epstein wrote:

Dear all,

I posted the message below four years ago.

Legacy v. 9 was released recently but it does nor appear to have
addressed my concerns below, or am I wrong?

I am impressed with Legacy but have not made it my primary
genealogy program.

Itzhak



At 04:05 PM 5/15/2013, I wrote:

I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,

Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be
hardwired to four initial events -- born, christened, died and
buried. Other events have to be selected from a menu. Hardly
anybody in my database was baptized, and even their circumcision
dates are not particularly important to me. Similarly, burial data
is not that important to me. On the other hand, residence and
occupation data are important to me. How do I replace "christened"
and "buried" in that window with other events?

The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of
death" and I replaced three of the events in it. This deals with
display but not with data entry.

Itzhak Epstein New York, NY
<mailto:ie...@earthlink.net>

Itzhak Epstein New York, NY
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Bob Austen]

Hi Itzhak and Ron,

 

Maybe I am missing your point. 

You can change 'Christened' to another one of many choices, including
'Occupation'. 

By clicking on the 'event title' brings up a screen where you can 'Customize
Family View Information'.  Then clicking on the box with the three dots in
it you can change the event to one of many.  

 

You can change 'Christening' to 'Occupation'

Click on the 'Christening' title

Click on the box (with 3 dots) on the appropriate title
(Christening) to be changed

Scroll down to 'Event' and then 'Select'

Then choose 'Occupation' from the 'Master Event Definition
List'

And you now have 'Occupation' in place of 'Christening'.

 

You may also have different scenarios saved and can load them to suit your
changing needs. 

 

Ron, I haven't checked on how this prints out on reports but suspect your
point is well taken.

 

 

Bob Austen

 

 

 

 

 



 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 5:26 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

 

Hi Itzhak been a big pain with me also I have printed about 6 books on
family trees, I just put in the christening spot; Occupation; Sleeper
Cutter. for example looks badly out of place but it get the information I
need, just say to people its the way the program is set-up
would-be very nice if more options were available

Ron



On 1/05/2017 4:10 PM, Itzhak Epstein wrote:

Dear all,

I posted the message below four years ago.

Legacy v. 9 was released recently but it does nor appear to have addressed
my concerns below, or am I wrong?

I am impressed with Legacy but have not made it my primary genealogy
program.

Itzhak



At 04:05 PM 5/15/2013, I wrote:



I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,

Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be hardwired
to four initial events -- born, christened, died and buried. Other events
have to be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody in my database was
baptized, and even their circumcision dates are not particularly important
to me.  Similarly, burial data is not that important to me.  On the other
hand, residence and occupation data are important to me. How do I replace
"christened" and "buried" in that window with other events?

The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of death" and
I replaced three of the events in it.  This deals with display but not with
data entry.

Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY
< mailto:ie...@earthlink.net <mailto:ie...@earthlink.net> > 

Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Ron]

Hi Itzhak been a big pain with me also I have printed about 6 books on 
family trees, I just put in the christening spot; Occupation; Sleeper 
Cutter. for example looks badly out of place but it get the information 
I need, just say to people its the way the program is set-up

would-be very nice if more options were available

Ron



On 1/05/2017 4:10 PM, Itzhak Epstein wrote:

Dear all,

I posted the message below four years ago.

Legacy v. 9 was released recently but it does nor appear to have 
addressed my concerns below, or am I wrong?


I am impressed with Legacy but have not made it my primary genealogy 
program.


Itzhak



At 04:05 PM 5/15/2013, I wrote:

I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,

Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be 
hardwired to four initial events -- born, christened, died and 
buried. Other events have to be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody 
in my database was baptized, and even their circumcision dates are 
not particularly important to me.  Similarly, burial data is not that 
important to me.  On the other hand, residence and occupation data 
are important to me. How do I replace "christened" and "buried" in 
that window with other events?


The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of 
death" and I replaced three of the events in it.  This deals with 
display but not with data entry.


Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY
> 


Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY
>




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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Brian Kelly]

The individual data entry screen has not changed. Birth, 
Baptized/Christened/Death and Burial are still entered as the Vital 
Events in the same way as all previous versions.


Brian Kelly

On 01-May-17 2:10 AM, Itzhak Epstein wrote:

Dear all,

I posted the message below four years ago.

Legacy v. 9 was released recently but it does nor appear to have addressed my
concerns below, or am I wrong?

I am impressed with Legacy but have not made it my primary genealogy program.

Itzhak



At 04:05 PM 5/15/2013, I wrote:

I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,

Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be hardwired
to four initial events -- born, christened, died and buried. Other events have
to be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody in my database was baptized, and
even their circumcision dates are not particularly important to me.
Similarly, burial data is not that important to me.  On the other hand,
residence and occupation data are important to me. How do I replace
"christened" and "buried" in that window with other events?

The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of death" and I
replaced three of the events in it.  This deals with display but not with data
entry.

Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY



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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Itzhak Epstein]

Dear all,
I posted the message below four years ago.
Legacy v. 9 was released recently but it does nor appear to have
addressed my concerns below, or am I wrong?
I am impressed with Legacy but have not made it my primary genealogy
program.
Itzhak

At 04:05 PM 5/15/2013, I wrote:
I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe
Edition,
Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be
hardwired to four initial events -- born, christened, died and buried.
Other events have to be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody in my
database was baptized, and even their circumcision dates are not
particularly important to me.  Similarly, burial data is not that
important to me.  On the other hand, residence and occupation data
are important to me. How do I replace "christened" and
"buried" in that window with other events?
The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of
death" and I replaced three of the events in it.  This deals
with display but not with data entry.
Itzhak Epstein  New
York,  NY
<
mailto:ie...@earthlink.net> 

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York,  NY
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Itzhak Epstein]

I just paid for a Legacy 8.0 upgrade and saw that this defect and saw
that this deficiency has not been fixed.
This major defect prevents me from recommending Legacy to
collaborators.
Itzhak
At 04:21 PM 5/15/2013, Sherry wrote:
The fields showing on the Family
View can be readily changed by
clicking on the field names, which brings up a customize window,
where
you can select the field names you wish to show, including the items
under Event/Facts.  Just select Event... and then the Master
Event
List will pop up so you can select the event.
The fields at the top of the Individual's Information Edit window
are
fixed and can't be changed.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Itzhak  Epstein
 wrote:
> I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,
>
> Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be
hardwired
> to four initial events -- born, christened, died and buried. Other
events
> have to be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody in my database
was
> baptized, and even their circumcision dates are not particularly
important
> to me.  Similarly, burial data is not that important to
me.  On the other
> hand, residence and occupation data are important to me. How do I
replace
> "christened" and "buried" in that window with
other events?
>
> The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause
of death" and
> I replaced three of the events in it.  This deals with display
but not with
> data entry.
>
> Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY
> <

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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Brian/Support]

You cannot change the data entry screen. You do have the option to
change the Display in Family View and you have found.

Brian
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On 15-May-13 4:05 PM, Itzhak Epstein wrote:
> I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,
>
> Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be
> hardwired to four initial events -- born, christened, died and buried.
> Other events have to be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody in my
> database was baptized, and even their circumcision dates are not
> particularly important to me.  Similarly, burial data is not that
> important to me.  On the other hand, residence and occupation data are
> important to me. How do I replace "christened" and "buried" in that
> window with other events?
>
> The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of death"
> and I replaced three of the events in it.  This deals with display but
> not with data entry.
>
> Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY



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RE: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Jack Earnshaw]

The “basic” events in the data entry screen are “singular” e.g. there is only 
one date of birth. OK, you don’t use christened/baptised that shows a basic 
flaw over how to decide what are “Vital events”, the absolute minimum you would 
probably want to record – birth, marriage(s), death, “disposal” (not trying to 
be irreverent, just a single word to cover all options).



The items you mention (occupation and residence) could both change many times 
during a lifetime and so need to be added for each occurrence, rather than have 
a single field to complete. They also have “from” and “to” dates.



It’s almost impossible to build a system that would satisfy every user (such as 
those asking for same sex relationships) and probably this one comes from a 
deeply Christian background. But it is flexible enough to suit almost all 
requirements – even the events you refer to are visible, and can be added, from 
the basic data entry screen (individual’s information).



The Family window does have the defaults you mention, but it is simple to 
change what is displayed (click on the field names). E.g. I replaced “cause of 
death” with “user id” as I don’t record the cause of death as it is of no 
importance to me other than for a few generations of direct ancestors. But 
userid points me to my filing system for hard copy information.



I agree that “christened” or “baptised” isn’t a vital event to people of 
another or no faith and maybe could be omitted from the top part of the screen, 
but it isn’t mandatory to complete it. I have no faith, but do use the field 
as, in the UK, it is often the only date that I can find that is, usually, 
close to the date of birth.



Try to find your way to work with the system, as it will almost certainly be 
able to deal with it somehow. Maybe not as easily as you would like, but if you 
can find a system that is easier then please tell us.



Jack



From: Itzhak Epstein [mailto:ie...@earthlink.net]
Sent: 15 May 2013 21:06
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events



I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,

Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be hardwired to 
four initial events -- born, christened, died and buried. Other events have to 
be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody in my database was baptized, and even 
their circumcision dates are not particularly important to me.  Similarly, 
burial data is not that important to me.  On the other hand, residence and 
occupation data are important to me. How do I replace "christened" and "buried" 
in that window with other events?

The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of death" and I 
replaced three of the events in it.  This deals with display but not with data 
entry.



Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Randy Clark]

Customize Display | Event | Select | Residence


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Itzhak Epstein  wrote:

>  I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,
>
> Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be
> hardwired to four initial events -- born, christened, died and buried.
> Other events have to be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody in my
> database was baptized, and even their circumcision dates are not
> particularly important to me.  Similarly, burial data is not that important
> to me.  On the other hand, residence and occupation data are important to
> me. How do I replace "christened" and "buried" in that window with other
> events?
>
> The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of death"
> and I replaced three of the events in it.  This deals with display but not
> with data entry.
> **
>
> ** Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY
> < mailto:ie...@earthlink.net >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Sherry/Support]

The fields showing on the Family View can be readily changed by
clicking on the field names, which brings up a customize window, where
you can select the field names you wish to show, including the items
under Event/Facts.  Just select Event... and then the Master Event
List will pop up so you can select the event.

The fields at the top of the Individual's Information Edit window are
fixed and can't be changed.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Itzhak  Epstein  wrote:
> I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,
>
> Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be hardwired
> to four initial events -- born, christened, died and buried. Other events
> have to be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody in my database was
> baptized, and even their circumcision dates are not particularly important
> to me.  Similarly, burial data is not that important to me.  On the other
> hand, residence and occupation data are important to me. How do I replace
> "christened" and "buried" in that window with other events?
>
> The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of death" and
> I replaced three of the events in it.  This deals with display but not with
> data entry.
>
> Itzhak Epstein  New York,  NY
> < mailto:ie...@earthlink.net>



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[LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Itzhak Epstein]

I use Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition,
Its basic data entry (Individual's Information) window seems to be
hardwired to four initial events -- born, christened, died and buried.
Other events have to be selected from a menu.  Hardly anybody in my
database was baptized, and even their circumcision dates are not
particularly important to me.  Similarly, burial data is not that
important to me.  On the other hand, residence and occupation data
are important to me. How do I replace "christened" and
"buried" in that window with other events?
The Family window started with the same four event plus "cause of
death" and I replaced three of the events in it.  This deals
with display but not with data entry.

Itzhak Epstein  New
York,  NY
<
mailto:ie...@earthlink.net> 



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