[LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Good Morning, In thinking about what has been mentioned, I realized that you are all right, the notes 'hang' in limbo - not good. But, if I have two types of information for a death, for example, do I lump them together or create two events? Sample: Death Record from Vital Records Death Certificate - Digital Copy [shows the usual, cause of death, informants, etc.] I have collected a huge amount of D/C's and now that I have time, am going through them and adding cause of death, etc. I was using the Medical Notes section for this process, but as pointed out, they do not fit in chronological order. There are almost always at least 3 dates on a D/C - and sometimes many more : Date of Death Date [found] Date when last seen by a medical person Date when signed off by Coroner or MD Date when Certificate is Filed So if I create an event for both the items where the death info is found, then what date get's used for the info on the D/C? If I use the date of death, both dates will show up together, but that is not exactly chronological because an exact time is not part of the date. Thoughts? Martha In Los Osos, CA -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Hi Martha, I have found it most helpful to use one event per source. If I have 2 sources that support a single event (i.e. birthdate) then I have to attach 2 sources to the event. I have to enter 2 transcripts of the data in the Event Notes. When I go back to that event, there is no way for me to determine which source goes to which transcript. The only people who are interested in reading the details in the event/event notes are researchers. Researchers are also the only people who are interested in which sources the information is related to. If I have trouble keeping my own data/sources straight, there is little chance someone else would be able to know which source goes with which transcript. I am interested to hear what other people have found works for them. - Evelyn On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Martha Graham wrote: > Good Morning, > In thinking about what has been mentioned, I realized that you are all > right, the notes 'hang' in limbo - not good. > But, if I have two types of information for a death, for example, do I > lump them together or create two events? > Sample: > Death Record from Vital Records > Death Certificate - Digital Copy [shows the usual, cause of death, > informants, etc.] > > I have collected a huge amount of D/C's and now that I have time, am going > through them and adding cause of death, etc. > I was using the Medical Notes section for this process, but as pointed > out, they do not fit in chronological order. > > There are almost always at least 3 dates on a D/C - and sometimes many > more : > Date of Death > Date [found] > Date when last seen by a medical person > Date when signed off by Coroner or MD > Date when Certificate is Filed > > So if I create an event for both the items where the death info is found, > then what date get's used for the info on the D/C? If I use the date of > death, both dates will show up together, but that is not exactly > chronological because an exact time is not part of the date. > > Thoughts? > > Martha > In Los Osos, CA > > > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- Evelyn Wilhelmson ej1...@gmail.com 509-998-6743 -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Hi Evelyn I also enter the sources separately for each event. I enter the transcript as part of the source detail, as Geoff has suggested in his webinars. When I go back to see what sources I have for each event I am able to access the source detail and see the transcript that goes with that source. Shirley On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Evelyn .. wrote: > Hi Martha, > > I have found it most helpful to use one event per source. If I have 2 > sources that support a single event (i.e. birthdate) then I have to attach > 2 sources to the event. I have to enter 2 transcripts of the data in the > Event Notes. When I go back to that event, there is no way for me to > determine which source goes to which transcript. > > The only people who are interested in reading the details in the > event/event notes are researchers. Researchers are also the only people who > are interested in which sources the information is related to. If I have > trouble keeping my own data/sources straight, there is little chance > someone else would be able to know which source goes with which transcript. > > I am interested to hear what other people have found works for them. > - Evelyn > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Martha Graham > wrote: > >> Good Morning, >> In thinking about what has been mentioned, I realized that you are all >> right, the notes 'hang' in limbo - not good. >> But, if I have two types of information for a death, for example, do I >> lump them together or create two events? >> Sample: >> Death Record from Vital Records >> Death Certificate - Digital Copy [shows the usual, cause of death, >> informants, etc.] >> >> I have collected a huge amount of D/C's and now that I have time, am >> going through them and adding cause of death, etc. >> I was using the Medical Notes section for this process, but as pointed >> out, they do not fit in chronological order. >> >> There are almost always at least 3 dates on a D/C - and sometimes many >> more : >> Date of Death >> Date [found] >> Date when last seen by a medical person >> Date when signed off by Coroner or MD >> Date when Certificate is Filed >> >> So if I create an event for both the items where the death info is found, >> then what date get's used for the info on the D/C? If I use the date of >> death, both dates will show up together, but that is not exactly >> chronological because an exact time is not part of the date. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Martha >> In Los Osos, CA >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> LegacyUserGroup mailing list >> LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com >> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe >> http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com >> Archives at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> > > > > -- > Evelyn Wilhelmson > ej1...@gmail.com > 509-998-6743 > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
On 8 Jul 2016 at 18:32, Martha Graham wrote: > In thinking about what has been mentioned, I realized that you are all > right, the notes 'hang' in limbo - not good. But, if I have two types of > information for a death, for example, do I lump them together or create > two events? Sample: Death Record from Vital Records Death Certificate - > Digital Copy [shows the usual, cause of death, informants, etc.] I don't see how the regular notes could be filed by date, as I use them almost exclusively for potted biographies, which cover the whole of a person's life. I once suggested that there should be a special biography field for that purpose, but the Legacy people who participate in this forum said that one should use the regular notes for that purpose, and soi I do, and put everything else that is not time-specific in the Research Notes. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: sha...@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525 -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
The idea of having the notes for the vital events within the chronology (instead at the end of the report) has gotten me thinking about applying it to my own family. Before I do anything however, I need some other eyes and thoughts- - - what would be the problems of doing it this way down the line? For example, regarding doing searches. Here's my thought process: I'm toying with the idea of the event called "Death Data" and then in the notes for that event I could include all the research history like time of death, the informant, and those other more obscure information; the sources (either sourcing them within the body of the notes, or using the footnote sourceing); I could include the alternate dates, places and why one is wrong or why it might be a better, etc. I would be able to explain and source exactly what info I got from the state Death Certificate, or a church record or a Family Bible. Then I could do the same for "Birth Data", "Baptism Data" and "Marriage Data". The resulting individual report would have all that info in a timely order. I would keep the top part of the report for just the vital dates and places to be used as a quick reference. This wouldn't be that hard to change as I could just cut and paste the vital note section into the new event item as that is where I already put all the above discussion Now, everyone's input??? Linda > > > In thinking about what has been mentioned, I realized that you are all > > right, the notes 'hang' in limbo - not good. But, if I have two types of > > information for a death, for example, do I lump them together or create > > two events? Sample: Death Record from Vital Records Death Certificate - > > Digital Copy [shows the usual, cause of death, informants, etc.] > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use the pre-defined sentences): . Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British Columbia, Canada. There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated her date of death as December 26 (etc...) I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to a blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using another genealogy program, but the principles are the same. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Hi Greg and Laurel, How do you know which source goes with which piece of information? - Evelyn On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Greg and Laurel wrote: > Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I > will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I > input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that > one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of > the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use > the pre-defined sentences): > . > Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she > died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British > Columbia, Canada. > > There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated > her date of death as December 26 (etc...) > > I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a > google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to > a blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using > another genealogy program, but the principles are the same. > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- Evelyn Wilhelmson ej1...@gmail.com 509-998-6743 -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
I transcribe (abstract) my sources under the source citation, plus I always attach a copy of the source to the citation. Then in my event I will refer back to the source "her death certificate states" or "her obituary showed" so if there are 3 citations attached to that event I can look at those 3 citations and know which source belongs to which piece of information/citation. It is the best I can do with how Legacy allows us to attach sources. Remember that most Events will only have one source so in those situations I would simply enter the information as a fact without referring to the actual source. I only do so when there is alternate or conflicting information. Laurel > On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Evelyn .. wrote: > > Hi Greg and Laurel, > > How do you know which source goes with which piece of information? > > - Evelyn > >> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Greg and Laurel >> wrote: >> Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I >> will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I >> input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that >> one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of >> the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use >> the pre-defined sentences): >> . >> Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she >> died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British >> Columbia, Canada. >> >> There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated her >> date of death as December 26 (etc...) >> >> I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a >> google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to a >> blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using another >> genealogy program, but the principles are the same. >> -- >> -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Thanks Laurel. I'll have to think about that a bit. -Evelyn On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Greg and Laurel wrote: > I transcribe (abstract) my sources under the source citation, plus I > always attach a copy of the source to the citation. Then in my event I will > refer back to the source "her death certificate states" or "her obituary > showed" so if there are 3 citations attached to that event I can look at > those 3 citations and know which source belongs to which piece of > information/citation. It is the best I can do with how Legacy allows us to > attach sources. Remember that most Events will only have one source so in > those situations I would simply enter the information as a fact without > referring to the actual source. I only do so when there is alternate or > conflicting information. Laurel > > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Evelyn .. wrote: > > Hi Greg and Laurel, > > How do you know which source goes with which piece of information? > > - Evelyn > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Greg and Laurel > wrote: > >> Linda, I am doing something similar to what you are thinking of doing. I >> will have only one birth event (same for death, mrg, baptism, etc) and I >> input all the information I have (whether correct or alternate) under that >> one event. Usually the facts that I consider correct will be at the top of >> the event with lesser facts following. It may read as follows (I don't use >> the pre-defined sentences): >> . >> Death | 1952 Dec 25| Age 78 | According to Susan's death registration she >> died on Christmas Day at her home address of 123 Lane in Vernon, British >> Columbia, Canada. >> >> There was conflicting information found on on her obituary which stated >> her date of death as December 26 (etc...) >> >> I will source the one event with as many sources as I have. If you do a >> google search for "evidence based genealogy ginger" it should bring you to >> a blog by Ginger who lays it out much better than I can. She is using >> another genealogy program, but the principles are the same. >> -- >> >> > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- Evelyn Wilhelmson ej1...@gmail.com 509-998-6743 -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Hi Linda.Somehow the subject of sourcing has gotten mixed in with the discussion of how Legacy formats reports with notes. You can, as you suggest, create new B,B,D, and Burial events. They will print chronologically and have the notes in the "right" place. But on some reports, haven't looked at all of them, Legacy will put in its own version of the Vital events as well. Then you get duplicate events in different places. And on the FGS Legacy will still shove their version of the Vital notes down to the end of the report. Try a Chronology report with your new events and you will see the issues. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
Dick Nixon, Thanks for the input. I didn't think of the Vital notes titles printing at the end of the report when there aren't any notes entered. Yes, I will have to play with a person in the sample file to see what happens with all the reports. Like I said, I'm still thinking about this and trying to anticipate the problems so I appreciate the "heads-up" on this issue. Linda G On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Dick Nixon wrote: > You can, as you > suggest, create new B,B,D, and Burial events. They will print > chronologically and have the notes in the "right" place. But on some > reports, haven't looked at all of them, Legacy will put in its own > version of the Vital events as well. Then you get duplicate events in > different places. And on the FGS Legacy will still shove their version > of the Vital notes down to the end of the report. Try a Chronology > report with your new events and you will see the issues. > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Events, Event Notes, Regular Notes
On 08-Jul-16 08:21 PM, Evelyn .. wrote: I have found it most helpful to use one event per source. If I have 2 sources that support a single event (i.e. birthdate) then I have to attach 2 sources to the event. I have to enter 2 transcripts of the data in the Event Notes. When I go back to that event, there is no way for me to determine which source goes to which transcript. As the transcript is part of the Source, I include it in the Source Detail, so there is no question of not knowing which Source it goes with. I do sometimes *also* (not instead) include the transcript in Event Notes. One example of when I'd do this is when the Source was a newspaper article, perhaps an Obituary or Funeral Report. In many cases I will only summarise the transcript in the Event Notes; an example of this is with a Will. -- Jenny M Benson -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/