Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Christopher Seward Sr.]

Robin,

I typically indicate those as:

/Baltimore County, Maryland, USA/

This, to me, indicates that they live within a county, but not inside of 
any incorporated town or city. I use this if I know for a fact that they 
did not live within a city or town, otherwise, if the town is unknown, I 
indicate it this way:


/, Baltimore, Maryland, USA/

This shows that I do not know exactly in which city or town they lived.

This is keeping in mind that I work backward on the locations, where the 
last term is the Country, then the State, then the County, then the City 
or Town.


So, if I knew someone was from Maryland, but didn't know the county or 
city, I would note it as:


/, , Maryland, USA/

All of these formats I use have been show to be compatible with Legacy's 
Geo database.


Ciao,

Christopher

On 2/18/2020 11:11 PM, Robin McCarthy wrote:


Christopher,

This looks like a great solution. Along those lines, how would you 
record and independent county in Legacy so as to avoid a similar 
confusion with those? Would you put


/(Independent County), county name, state, USA/


This has been a very informative discussion. I had no idea there were 
independent cities and counties.


Thanks everyone!
Robin


 Original message 
From: "Christopher Seward Sr." 
Date: 2/18/20 3:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

Coming from Baltimore, Maryland, I have this in a LOT of my entries.  
I ha found that using this format suites my needs in properly 
identifying that it is an independent city, but also making it easy to 
differentiate it from being an actual place name:


/Baltimore, (Independent City), Maryland, USA/

This puts the term "Independent City" in place of the county, but the 
parentheses indicate that it is not the actual name of the county.  
This also lets people know that you didn't leave the county field blank.


Hope this helps!

Christopher

On 2/18/2020 11:57 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'. 
Would someone please tell me how to properly record them?

Thanks
Margaret



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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Robin McCarthy]

Christopher, This looks like a great solution. Along those lines, how would you 
record and independent county in Legacy so as to avoid a similar confusion with 
those? Would you put (Independent County), county name, state, USAThis has been 
a very informative discussion. I had no idea there were independent cities and 
counties.Thanks everyone!Robin
 Original message From: "Christopher Seward Sr." 
 Date: 2/18/20  3:52 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: 
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities 
Coming from Baltimore, Maryland, I have this in a LOT of my
  entries.  I ha found that using this format suites my needs in
  properly identifying that it is an independent city, but also
  making it easy to differentiate it from being an actual place
  name:
Baltimore, (Independent City), Maryland, USA
This puts the term "Independent City" in place of the county, but
  the parentheses indicate that it is not the actual name of the
  county.  This also lets people know that you didn't leave the
  county field blank.
Hope this helps!
Christopher

On 2/18/2020 11:57 AM, Margaret
  Gagliardi wrote:


  
  
The state of
  Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.  Would
  someone please tell me how to properly record them?  
Thanks
Margaret
  
  
  

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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Jane Linkswiler]

A great idea!

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Seward Sr.
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 4:53 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

 

Coming from Baltimore, Maryland, I have this in a LOT of my entries.  I ha 
found that using this format suites my needs in properly identifying that it is 
an independent city, but also making it easy to differentiate it from being an 
actual place name:

Baltimore, (Independent City), Maryland, USA

This puts the term "Independent City" in place of the county, but the 
parentheses indicate that it is not the actual name of the county.  This also 
lets people know that you didn't leave the county field blank.

Hope this helps!

Christopher

On 2/18/2020 11:57 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:

The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.  Would someone 
please tell me how to properly record them?  

Thanks

Margaret





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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Christopher Seward Sr.]

Yes, Baltimore wasfirst established by the Constitution of Maryland as 
anindependent cityin 1729.


On 2/18/2020 7:52 PM, Shirley Crampton wrote:

Was Baltimore an independent city in 1832?
Shirley

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 6:53 PM Christopher Seward Sr. 
mailto:csewar...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Coming from Baltimore, Maryland, I have this in a LOT of my
entries.  I ha found that using this format suites my needs in
properly identifying that it is an independent city, but also
making it easy to differentiate it from being an actual place name:

/Baltimore, (Independent City), Maryland, USA/

This puts the term "Independent City" in place of the county, but
the parentheses indicate that it is not the actual name of the
county.  This also lets people know that you didn't leave the
county field blank.

Hope this helps!

Christopher

On 2/18/2020 11:57 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:

The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'. 
Would someone please tell me how to properly record them?
Thanks
Margaret

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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Shirley Crampton]

Was Baltimore an independent city in 1832?
Shirley

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 6:53 PM Christopher Seward Sr. 
wrote:

> Coming from Baltimore, Maryland, I have this in a LOT of my entries.  I ha
> found that using this format suites my needs in properly identifying that
> it is an independent city, but also making it easy to differentiate it from
> being an actual place name:
>
> *Baltimore, (Independent City), Maryland, USA*
>
> This puts the term "Independent City" in place of the county, but the
> parentheses indicate that it is not the actual name of the county.  This
> also lets people know that you didn't leave the county field blank.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Christopher
> On 2/18/2020 11:57 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
>
> The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.  Would
> someone please tell me how to properly record them?
> Thanks
> Margaret
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Christopher Seward Sr.]

Coming from Baltimore, Maryland, I have this in a LOT of my entries.  I 
ha found that using this format suites my needs in properly identifying 
that it is an independent city, but also making it easy to differentiate 
it from being an actual place name:


/Baltimore, (Independent City), Maryland, USA/

This puts the term "Independent City" in place of the county, but the 
parentheses indicate that it is not the actual name of the county.  This 
also lets people know that you didn't leave the county field blank.


Hope this helps!

Christopher

On 2/18/2020 11:57 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.  
Would someone please tell me how to properly record them?

Thanks
Margaret

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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Margaret Gagliardi]

Thanks Everyone.  Great suggestions!!
Margaret

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:16 PM Dave Johnson  wrote:

> If you use Animap, you can see when each jurisdiction was created.  For
> older historical records, I like to use the city, county, state, country
> that existed at the time the record was created.  Animap allows me to do
> this quite well.
>
> Dave
> Salt Lake City
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:29 AM Hogrooter .  wrote:
>
>> I live in Virginia and deal with this often. There really is not
>> "correct" way.  I handle this by leaving out the county name.
>>
>> Richmond, , Virginia, USA
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:24 PM Laura Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> we have the same problem with St Louis city versus St Louis County.  I
>>> always list the city which is NOT part of the county as"
>>>
>>> St.Louis City (independent city), , Missouri, USA
>>>
>>> On 2/18/2020 12:02 PM, marc...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Margaret,
>>> >
>>> > I live in Virginia.   Virginia is strange in that it is a
>>> > Commonwealth.Therefore our cities are not in counties.   All are
>>> > very separate jurisdictions.  I live in the City of Richmond yet it is
>>> > not in a county.   Prior I lived in Henrico County which is a totally
>>> > separate government.
>>> >
>>> > Another example, the Town of Ashland is physically located in Hanover
>>> > County but you would _not_ list it as Ashland, Hanover County.   I
>>> > would suggest “Town of Ashland” as that is what it is referred to
>>> > locally.
>>> >
>>> > Hope this helps!
>>> >
>>> > *Marji Collings*
>>> >
>>> > *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
>>> > Behalf Of *Margaret Gagliardi
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:57 PM
>>> > *To:* Legacy User Group 
>>> > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Independent Cities
>>> >
>>> > The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.
>>> > Would someone please tell me how to properly record them?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > Margaret
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Dave Johnson]

If you use Animap, you can see when each jurisdiction was created.  For
older historical records, I like to use the city, county, state, country
that existed at the time the record was created.  Animap allows me to do
this quite well.

Dave
Salt Lake City

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:29 AM Hogrooter .  wrote:

> I live in Virginia and deal with this often. There really is not "correct"
> way.  I handle this by leaving out the county name.
>
> Richmond, , Virginia, USA
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:24 PM Laura Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>> we have the same problem with St Louis city versus St Louis County.  I
>> always list the city which is NOT part of the county as"
>>
>> St.Louis City (independent city), , Missouri, USA
>>
>> On 2/18/2020 12:02 PM, marc...@comcast.net wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Margaret,
>> >
>> > I live in Virginia.   Virginia is strange in that it is a
>> > Commonwealth.Therefore our cities are not in counties.   All are
>> > very separate jurisdictions.  I live in the City of Richmond yet it is
>> > not in a county.   Prior I lived in Henrico County which is a totally
>> > separate government.
>> >
>> > Another example, the Town of Ashland is physically located in Hanover
>> > County but you would _not_ list it as Ashland, Hanover County.   I
>> > would suggest “Town of Ashland” as that is what it is referred to
>> > locally.
>> >
>> > Hope this helps!
>> >
>> > *Marji Collings*
>> >
>> > *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
>> > Behalf Of *Margaret Gagliardi
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:57 PM
>> > *To:* Legacy User Group 
>> > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Independent Cities
>> >
>> > The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.
>> > Would someone please tell me how to properly record them?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Margaret
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Hogrooter .]

I live in Virginia and deal with this often. There really is not "correct"
way.  I handle this by leaving out the county name.

Richmond, , Virginia, USA

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:24 PM Laura Johnson 
wrote:

> we have the same problem with St Louis city versus St Louis County.  I
> always list the city which is NOT part of the county as"
>
> St.Louis City (independent city), , Missouri, USA
>
> On 2/18/2020 12:02 PM, marc...@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > Hi Margaret,
> >
> > I live in Virginia.   Virginia is strange in that it is a
> > Commonwealth.Therefore our cities are not in counties.   All are
> > very separate jurisdictions.  I live in the City of Richmond yet it is
> > not in a county.   Prior I lived in Henrico County which is a totally
> > separate government.
> >
> > Another example, the Town of Ashland is physically located in Hanover
> > County but you would _not_ list it as Ashland, Hanover County.   I
> > would suggest “Town of Ashland” as that is what it is referred to
> > locally.
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> >
> > *Marji Collings*
> >
> > *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> > Behalf Of *Margaret Gagliardi
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:57 PM
> > *To:* Legacy User Group 
> > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Independent Cities
> >
> > The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.
> > Would someone please tell me how to properly record them?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Margaret
> >
> >
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Scott Hall]

That's pretty much it Carolyn.

For reference, there are only 3 other municipalities that are
independent of counties outside Virginia -- Baltimore (since 13 May 1851),
Saint Louis (since 1876) and Carson City, Nevada (have to look that one up,
but it happened in the late 20th century).

Virginia's cities were granted independence when the state constitution was
revised in 1871.

Scott

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> I don't know the "official" answer, but this is fairly rare (in Virginia,
> the local government entity is either a city or a county, but cities are
> not part of counties).  Using the normal practice of "city,county,state,
> country", I would put the "[city name],,Virginia, United States".
>
> Similarly, if you had a Virginia County instead, I would put ",[county
> name], Virginia, United States".
>
> Carolyn White
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 12:58:04 PM EST, Margaret Gagliardi <
> megsge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.  Would
> someone please tell me how to properly record them?
> Thanks
> Margaret
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Laura Johnson]

we have the same problem with St Louis city versus St Louis County.  I 
always list the city which is NOT part of the county as"


St.Louis City (independent city), , Missouri, USA

On 2/18/2020 12:02 PM, marc...@comcast.net wrote:


Hi Margaret,

I live in Virginia.   Virginia is strange in that it is a 
Commonwealth.    Therefore our cities are not in counties.   All are 
very separate jurisdictions.  I live in the City of Richmond yet it is 
not in a county.   Prior I lived in Henrico County which is a totally 
separate government.


Another example, the Town of Ashland is physically located in Hanover 
County but you would _not_ list it as Ashland, Hanover County.   I 
would suggest “Town of Ashland” as that is what it is referred to 
locally.


Hope this helps!

*Marji Collings*

*From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On 
Behalf Of *Margaret Gagliardi

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:57 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group 
*Subject:* [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.  
Would someone please tell me how to properly record them?


Thanks

Margaret




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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Carolyn White via LegacyUserGroup]

 I don't know the "official" answer, but this is fairly rare (in Virginia, the 
local government entity is either a city or a county, but cities are not part 
of counties).  Using the normal practice of "city,county,state, country", I 
would put the "[city name],,Virginia, United States".
Similarly, if you had a Virginia County instead, I would put ",[county name], 
Virginia, United States".

Carolyn White

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 The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.  Would 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[marcoll]

Hi Margaret,

 

I live in Virginia.   Virginia is strange in that it is a Commonwealth.
Therefore our cities are not in counties.   All are very separate 
jurisdictions.  I live in the City of Richmond yet it is not in a county.   
Prior I lived in Henrico County which is a totally separate government.

 

Another example, the Town of Ashland is physically located in Hanover County 
but you would not list it as Ashland, Hanover County.   I would suggest “Town 
of Ashland” as that is what it is referred to locally.  

 

Hope this helps!

 

Marji Collings

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Margaret Gagliardi
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:57 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

 

The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.  Would someone 
please tell me how to properly record them?  

Thanks

Margaret

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[LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Margaret Gagliardi]

The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.  Would
someone please tell me how to properly record them?
Thanks
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent cities

[Diane Christensen]

Thanks for that explanation
Di in Melbourne Australia 

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> On 15 Jun 2016, at 10:15 am, "Trevor Carlson" <trevordcarl...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> It is a city that is not within another municipal or county jurisdiction. 
> Several in Canada like this too. Washington D.C. is an example where it isn't 
> even in a state.
>  
> I use 'City of' as my placeholder. Works well.
>  
> Thanks,
> Trevor Carlson
> Edmonton, AB
>  
>  
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Diane Christensen
> Sent: June 14, 2016 5:03 PM
> To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Independent cities
>  
> For a person living in Australia could you please what an Independent city is?
> Thank yo
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 15 Jun 2016, at 8:57 am, Hogrooter <dgadam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I also have a lot of Virginia activity.  I also use the Independent City 
> term.  However, Legacy does not like that.  Every time I use it, Legacy tells 
> me that it does not exist.
> 
> Dean Ada,s
>  
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Gene Young <n2...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> On 6/14/2016 5:30 PM, Poppke Genealogy wrote:
> For locations, I try to use 4 levels - City, County, State, Country.
> I have a couple of independent cities that are not part of a county.
> Example is Norfolk, Virginia, USA.
> 
> For a best practice, do I leave the county blank, or do a put a placeholder 
> in the spot.
> Something like (Independent City)?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
> Norfolk, Norfolk (city), Virginia, USA is what the Geo Location Database uses 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent cities

[Trevor Carlson]

It is a city that is not within another municipal or county jurisdiction. 
Several in Canada like this too. Washington D.C. is an example where it isn't 
even in a state.

 

I use 'City of' as my placeholder. Works well.

 

Thanks,

Trevor Carlson

Edmonton, AB

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Diane Christensen
Sent: June 14, 2016 5:03 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Independent cities

 

For a person living in Australia could you please what an Independent city is?

Thank yo

Sent from my iPhone


On 15 Jun 2016, at 8:57 am, Hogrooter <dgadam...@gmail.com> wrote:

I also have a lot of Virginia activity.  I also use the Independent City term.  
However, Legacy does not like that.  Every time I use it, Legacy tells me that 
it does not exist.

Dean Ada,s

 

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Gene Young <n2...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

On 6/14/2016 5:30 PM, Poppke Genealogy wrote:

For locations, I try to use 4 levels - City, County, State, Country.
I have a couple of independent cities that are not part of a county.
Example is Norfolk, Virginia, USA.

For a best practice, do I leave the county blank, or do a put a placeholder in 
the spot.
Something like (Independent City)?

Thanks,

Ted



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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent cities

[Debby Flood]

I use Norfolk, Norfolk City, Virginia, United States.  if you leave it
blank, you will come back later and think you did not know what it was.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Poppke Genealogy 
wrote:

> For locations, I try to use 4 levels - City, County, State, Country.
> I have a couple of independent cities that are not part of a county.
> Example is Norfolk, Virginia, USA.
>
> For a best practice, do I leave the county blank, or do a put a
> placeholder in the spot.
> Something like (Independent City)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ted
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent cities

[Diane Christensen]

For a person living in Australia could you please what an Independent city is?
Thank yo

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Jun 2016, at 8:57 am, Hogrooter  wrote:
> 
> I also have a lot of Virginia activity.  I also use the Independent City 
> term.  However, Legacy does not like that.  Every time I use it, Legacy tells 
> me that it does not exist.
> 
> Dean Ada,s
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Gene Young  wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2016 5:30 PM, Poppke Genealogy wrote:
>>> For locations, I try to use 4 levels - City, County, State, Country.
>>> I have a couple of independent cities that are not part of a county.
>>> Example is Norfolk, Virginia, USA.
>>> 
>>> For a best practice, do I leave the county blank, or do a put a placeholder 
>>> in the spot.
>>> Something like (Independent City)?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ted
>> Norfolk, Norfolk (city), Virginia, USA is what the Geo Location Database 
>> uses and it works well.
>> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent cities

[Hogrooter]

I also have a lot of Virginia activity.  I also use the Independent City
term.  However, Legacy does not like that.  Every time I use it, Legacy
tells me that it does not exist.

Dean Ada,s

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Gene Young  wrote:

> On 6/14/2016 5:30 PM, Poppke Genealogy wrote:
>
>> For locations, I try to use 4 levels - City, County, State, Country.
>> I have a couple of independent cities that are not part of a county.
>> Example is Norfolk, Virginia, USA.
>>
>> For a best practice, do I leave the county blank, or do a put a
>> placeholder in the spot.
>> Something like (Independent City)?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>> Norfolk, Norfolk (city), Virginia, USA is what the Geo Location Database
> uses and it works well.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent cities

[Gene Young]

On 6/14/2016 5:30 PM, Poppke Genealogy wrote:

For locations, I try to use 4 levels - City, County, State, Country.
I have a couple of independent cities that are not part of a county.
Example is Norfolk, Virginia, USA.

For a best practice, do I leave the county blank, or do a put a placeholder in 
the spot.
Something like (Independent City)?

Thanks,

Ted



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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent cities

[Eliz Hanebury]

I use the place holder so I know I am dealing with an Independent
city. From Wikipedia 

There are 41 independent cities in the United States. Of these, 38 are
in Virginia. They are called 'independent' because they are not in the
territory of any county or counties. Independent cities in Virginia
may, however, serve as county seats for neighboring counties.

The three independent cities outside of Virginia are Baltimore,
Maryland; St. Louis, Missouri; and Carson City, Nevada.
I have a lot of family in Virginia 
Eliz
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On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Poppke Genealogy
 wrote:
> For locations, I try to use 4 levels - City, County, State, Country.
> I have a couple of independent cities that are not part of a county.
> Example is Norfolk, Virginia, USA.
>
> For a best practice, do I leave the county blank, or do a put a placeholder
> in the spot.
> Something like (Independent City)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ted
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[LegacyUG] Independent cities

[Poppke Genealogy]

For locations, I try to use 4 levels - City, County, State, Country.
I have a couple of independent cities that are not part of a county.
Example is Norfolk, Virginia, USA.

For a best practice, do I leave the county blank, or do a put a placeholder
in the spot.
Something like (Independent City)?

Thanks,

Ted
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities issue

[Ron Taylor]

The problem is that the County Verifier and GeoDatabase were developed by two 
different programmers/companies and they were never coordinated to produce 
equal results as is evident in the independent cities.  Also, GeoDatabase is 
based on the current location whereas County Verifier is trying to define the 
location for the date involved.  I look forward to the day when a specified 
longitude and latitude can display the location name based on date and language.


On Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:54 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote:



Hi Margaret,

If I enter the name just as you show (missing comma?) it does not present a 
problem.

Danville, (Independent City) Virginiano issue
Danville, (Independent City) Virginia, USA no issue
Danville (Independent City), Virginia, USA   no issue

Legacy's Geo Location Database shows the name as follows:

Danville, Danville (city), Virginia, USA
Danville, Danville (city), Virginia, United States

but neither are recognized by the county checker.

Entering it as you presented is not an issue however 'Virginia' is not 
recognized as a State - may still be a work around.

Bob


From:Margaret Gagliardi [mailto:megsge...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:59 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities issue

Danville, (Independent City) Virginia is one of my locations for a group of 
families I am working on. It keeps giving me an error that it is not a county 
in Virginia, but other than having to turn off the checking tool, is there a 
way to have it accept Danville as an independent city? Virginia has several 
towns like Danville and I would like to know the proper way to enter them, so 
the program will accept them.

Thanks
Margaret




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RE: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities issue

[Bob Austen]

Thanks Ron,



The GeoDatabase (GeoDB.gdb) appears that it is written in Access.  I have tried 
to open it to add my own counties, to solve the issue as Margaret speaks of, 
however, it is password protected.  Legacy doesn't specifically allow one to 
ignore an unrecognized county,  though one can click on OK and the warning will 
go away for that instance.



Bob



From: Ron Taylor [mailto:doit4...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:21 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities issue



The problem is that the County Verifier and GeoDatabase were developed by two 
different programmers/companies and they were never coordinated to produce 
equal results as is evident in the independent cities.  Also, GeoDatabase is 
based on the current location whereas County Verifier is trying to define the 
location for the date involved.  I look forward to the day when a specified 
longitude and latitude can display the location name based on date and language.



On Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:54 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote:



Hi Margaret,



If I enter the name just as you show (missing comma?) it does not present a 
problem.



Danville, (Independent City) Virginiano issue

Danville, (Independent City) Virginia, USA no issue

Danville (Independent City), Virginia, USA   no issue



Legacy's Geo Location Database shows the name as follows:



Danville, Danville (city), Virginia, USA

Danville, Danville (city), Virginia, United States



but neither are recognized by the county checker.



Entering it as you presented is not an issue however 'Virginia' is not 
recognized as a State - may still be a work around.



Bob





From: Margaret Gagliardi [mailto:megsge...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:59 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities issue



Danville, (Independent City) Virginia is one of my locations for a group of 
families I am working on. It keeps giving me an error that it is not a county 
in Virginia, but other than having to turn off the checking tool, is there a 
way to have it accept Danville as an independent city? Virginia has several 
towns like Danville and I would like to know the proper way to enter them, so 
the program will accept them.



Thanks

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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities issue

[Margaret Gagliardi]

Thanks so much for all the suggestions. I will give them a try.
Margaret

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote:

 Hi Margaret,



 If I enter the name just as you show (missing comma?) it does not present
 a problem.



 Danville, (Independent City) Virginiano issue

 Danville, (Independent City) Virginia, USA no issue

 Danville (Independent City), Virginia, USA   no issue



 Legacy's Geo Location Database shows the name as follows:



 Danville, Danville (city), Virginia, USA

 Danville, Danville (city), Virginia, United States



 but neither are recognized by the county checker.



 Entering it as you presented is not an issue however 'Virginia' is not
 recognized as a State - may still be a work around.



 Bob





 *From:* Margaret Gagliardi [mailto:megsge...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:59 AM
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Independent Cities issue



 Danville, (Independent City) Virginia is one of my locations for a group
 of families I am working on. It keeps giving me an error that it is not a
 county in Virginia, but other than having to turn off the checking tool, is
 there a way to have it accept Danville as an independent city? Virginia has
 several towns like Danville and I would like to know the proper way to
 enter them, so the program will accept them.



 Thanks

 Margaret






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[LegacyUG] Independent Cities issue

[Margaret Gagliardi]

Danville, (Independent City) Virginia is one of my locations for a group of
families I am working on. It keeps giving me an error that it is not a
county in Virginia, but other than having to turn off the checking tool, is
there a way to have it accept Danville as an independent city? Virginia has
several towns like Danville and I would like to know the proper way to
enter them, so the program will accept them.

Thanks
Margaret



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RE: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities issue

[Bob Austen]

Hi Margaret,



If I enter the name just as you show (missing comma?) it does not present a 
problem.



Danville, (Independent City) Virginiano issue

Danville, (Independent City) Virginia, USA no issue

Danville (Independent City), Virginia, USA   no issue



Legacy's Geo Location Database shows the name as follows:



Danville, Danville (city), Virginia, USA

Danville, Danville (city), Virginia, United States



but neither are recognized by the county checker.



Entering it as you presented is not an issue however 'Virginia' is not 
recognized as a State - may still be a work around.



Bob





From: Margaret Gagliardi [mailto:megsge...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:59 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities issue



Danville, (Independent City) Virginia is one of my locations for a group of 
families I am working on. It keeps giving me an error that it is not a county 
in Virginia, but other than having to turn off the checking tool, is there a 
way to have it accept Danville as an independent city? Virginia has several 
towns like Danville and I would like to know the proper way to enter them, so 
the program will accept them.



Thanks

Margaret









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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Paula Ryburn]

William, You might check the archives for threads where these old locations in 
other counties or other states issues were discussed.  As I remember, the 
preferred method (by those on this list) is to record it as it existed at the 
time of the event.  So, for your old WV locations, it would be VA--and aren't 
those just warning messages?  And if you are trying to map in a chronology or 
something, I seem to remember you could enter it with WV originally to get it 
pinned (Geo Code database?) and then change it back to VA.  Like I said, you 
might search the archives for old location names or something similar--to get 
the detail versions of what I've just mentioned.  I haven't run into any of 
these, so I don't have first-hand knowledge.  --Paula




 From: William Hoff bh...@mchsi.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities



I've been using only West Virginia and noting with the location that prior to 
June 20, 1863 it was VA.  With county edit I then get an error MSG that the 
county did not exist. Guess I just have to live with that. Being from WV there 
is a lot of this though.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Margaret Gagliardi megsge...@gmail.com wrote:


Thanks so much for the ideas. I will try them.  I always use VA if it is before 
West Virginia became a state. Once it became a state I use WV. I know those 
counties, so for me it works well.  However if you are using GPS etc. I would 
put it as WV with (VA) after it. I don't know if that would confuse the GPS or 
not, but you might try it.
Margaret



On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:

On 7/23/2014 11:22 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
 Would someone please tell me how I should record Petersburg, Virginia? It 
 is an independent City, without a County.

 Thank you very much.
 Margaret


Petersburg, Petersburg (city), Virginia, USA

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[LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Margaret Gagliardi]

Would someone please tell me how I should record Petersburg, Virginia? It
is an independent City, without a County.

Thank you very much.
Margaret



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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Gene Young]

On 7/23/2014 11:22 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
 Would someone please tell me how I should record Petersburg, Virginia? It is 
 an independent City, without a County.

 Thank you very much.
 Margaret


Petersburg, Petersburg (city), Virginia, USA

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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Margaret Gagliardi]

Thanks so much for the ideas. I will try them.  I always use VA if it is
before West Virginia became a state. Once it became a state I use WV. I
know those counties, so for me it works well.  However if you are using GPS
etc. I would put it as WV with (VA) after it. I don't know if that would
confuse the GPS or not, but you might try it.
Margaret


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 On 7/23/2014 11:22 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
  Would someone please tell me how I should record Petersburg, Virginia?
 It is an independent City, without a County.
 
  Thank you very much.
  Margaret
 

 Petersburg, Petersburg (city), Virginia, USA

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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[William Hoff]

I've been using only West Virginia and noting with the location that prior to 
June 20, 1863 it was VA.  With county edit I then get an error MSG that the 
county did not exist. Guess I just have to live with that. Being from WV there 
is a lot of this though.

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 On Jul 23, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Margaret Gagliardi megsge...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks so much for the ideas. I will try them.  I always use VA if it is 
 before West Virginia became a state. Once it became a state I use WV. I know 
 those counties, so for me it works well.  However if you are using GPS etc. I 
 would put it as WV with (VA) after it. I don't know if that would confuse the 
 GPS or not, but you might try it.
 Margaret


 On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
 On 7/23/2014 11:22 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
  Would someone please tell me how I should record Petersburg, Virginia? It 
  is an independent City, without a County.
 
  Thank you very much.
  Margaret
 

 Petersburg, Petersburg (city), Virginia, USA

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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[singhals]

Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
 Would someone please tell me how I should record Petersburg,
 Virginia? It is an independent City, without a County.

 Thank you very much.
 Margaret

I use IC ... or lie and put it in the county it would be in
if it weren't an IC so others can tell at-a-glance which
part of Va it's in.  I mean, Petersburg, Roanoke, and
Winchester are all ICs but knowing that they're not
next-door neighbors can be useful.

Cheryl





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RE: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

I noticed a few weeks/months ago that FamilySearch was referencing the 
independent cites for example as “Petersburg, Petersburg City, Virginia, United 
States”. Thus, Richmond becomes “Richmond, Richmond City, Virginia, United 
States”, etc.



Brian in CA





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Subject: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities



Would someone please tell me how I should record Petersburg, Virginia? It is an 
independent City, without a County.



Thank you very much.

Margaret



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