RE: [LegacyUG] Location Name Changes
It would be helpful in my case too, where many forefathers come from what is now Germany, but areas that have undergone significant changes in rulers/duchies/nations many times throughout history. It would also help with locales in the US that have undergone many county and some state/colony boundary revisions over time. -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Location Name Changes Mike What I suggested was a master location record and a chain of location name records which are given a date range. (I don't know the Access terminology, but this should be clear, I hope) The advantages of this are that it is easy to produce a report showing how the location name has changed over time and it has only one entry in the master location list. Under the current scheme, there can be lots of entries for one physical location and they don't all sort together in the list. This makes it confusing when trying to see who lived at a single location when that location can be all over the shop. I'm probably more affected than many, because I like to put all address information into the location, but this would still make life easier for anyone who has a place name change over the years. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Location Name Changes
Mike What I suggested was a master location record and a chain of location name records which are given a date range. (I don't know the Access terminology, but this should be clear, I hope) The advantages of this are that it is easy to produce a report showing how the location name has changed over time and it has only one entry in the master location list. Under the current scheme, there can be lots of entries for one physical location and they don't all sort together in the list. This makes it confusing when trying to see who lived at a single location when that location can be all over the shop. I'm probably more affected than many, because I like to put all address information into the location, but this would still make life easier for anyone who has a place name change over the years. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Location Name Changes
On 2012/09/20 05:13, Tony Rolfe wrote: > I put in a request a few months ago for time-sensitive location details, but > I'm > sure it will go the same way as all my other feature requests. Not wishing to rain on your parade, but if you only use the these location variations in dated events _and_ sort those events by date, doesn't this amount to much like what you're asking for? At least, that's how I think Millennia will view things. For me, I'd like to see something for locations along the lines of the AKA for names. Although, again, Millennia would probably say that's what the Notes field in the Master Location record is for. Hey ho! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Location Name Changes
But how do you handle differences due to, for example, different census takers spelling things incorrectly? I have one family shown at the same street address on three consecutive censuses. The first is in West Ham, Essex, the second in Forest Gate, Essex and the third in West Ham, Forest Gate, Essex. I also have street names spelt differently, where it is obviously the same location; town names spelt differently, all sorts of issues. I put in a request a few months ago for time-sensitive location details, but I'm sure it will go the same way as all my other feature requests. Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Location Name Changes
On 9/18/2012 1:01 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: > This is a subject that comes up every now and then so I thought I’d > re-ask it again just to see what the current opinion seems to be. It > concerns location names that have changed since a genealogical event has > occurred. > > For example, a certain person was born in Richland County, Ohio in 1845. > The US Census of 1850 now shows the family living in Ashland County. Did > the family move? No, the boundaries were redrawn. The exact spot where > the person was born is no longer called Richland County, but rather > Ashland County. In some cases, I’ve got families living on the same > exact farms and nothing has changed other than time and the location name. > > So the question becomes, how do you show his birth location: the old > name or the new name? > > If you choose the old name for his birth location, the collective data > and any generated reports make it seem as if the family moved. And in a > few isolated cases, those location names may no longer exist. If you use > the new name, Legacy complains at the time of entry that the county did > not exist at the time and was not formed until 1846 (or whatever year). > It’s kind of a “gentle warning†which you can easily dismiss and then > everything would seem right in the universe. > > I just had a similar situation come up in which an individual was born > in Fargo, Dakota Territory (before it was a state), but sure enough, all > later census, military, and marriage records show his birth location as > Fargo, North Dakota. I’m trying to be a purist and use the original > location names but judging from what I’m seeing on other people’s > genealogical reports, I get the feeling that I’m swimming upstream on this. > Brian, First, welcome back. I remember you to be a purist. I am also a purist. I always use the location at the time of the event. Example: Akron, Michigan in 1800 = Wayne County Akron, Michigan in 1822 = Sanilac County Akron, Michigan in 1850 = Tuscola County Geneva, Oregon in 1843 = Champoeg County Geneva, Oregon in 1850 = Lyne County Geneva, Oregon in 1900 = Crook County Geneva, Oregon in 1975 = Jefferson County If Great Grandpa lived in Geneva Champoeg County Oregon in 1843, then one was to use the master location list, then looks at Geneva Oregon, it will show Jefferson as the County and 'swim upstream'. What County did good ol Great Grandpa live in ? They can look at that that county for maps and records. I put ol grabdpa in the location at the time of event. Sure others will come will look for a city in Champoeg. My thinking will the genealogist sees it looks different, so they/I would know to look for further research, and put further locations in the notes. I currently do not have AniMap loaded ... Swim Upstream -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Location Name Changes
And add in the correct Lat/Long for both so there is no question of where. I have multiple people that started in "the Colonies or Territories" and never moved and then they become part of the United States and in different counties when the boundaries moved. Gene From: Michele Lewis To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Location Name Changes You always record the location as it was at the time of the event. You can always clarify things in your notes. Michele From:Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Location Name Changes This is a subject that comes up every now and then so I thought I’d re-ask it again just to see what the current opinion seems to be. It concerns location names that have changed since a genealogical event has occurred. For example, a certain person was born in Richland County, Ohio in 1845. The US Census of 1850 now shows the family living in Ashland County. Did the family move? No, the boundaries were redrawn. The exact spot where the person was born is no longer called Richland County, but rather Ashland County. In some cases, I’ve got families living on the same exact farms and nothing has changed other than time and the location name. So the question becomes, how do you show his birth location: the old name or the new name? If you choose the old name for his birth location, the collective data and any generated reports make it seem as if the family moved. And in a few isolated cases, those location names may no longer exist. If you use the new name, Legacy complains at the time of entry that the county did not exist at the time and was not formed until 1846 (or whatever year). It’s kind of a “gentle warning” which you can easily dismiss and then everything would seem right in the universe. I just had a similar situation come up in which an individual was born in Fargo, Dakota Territory (before it was a state), but sure enough, all later census, military, and marriage records show his birth location as Fargo, North Dakota. I’m trying to be a purist and use the original location names but judging from what I’m seeing on other people’s genealogical reports, I get the feeling that I’m swimming upstream on this. Inquiring Minds Want to Know Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Location Name Changes
This is a subject that comes up every now and then so I thought I'd re-ask it again just to see what the current opinion seems to be. It concerns location names that have changed since a genealogical event has occurred. For example, a certain person was born in Richland County, Ohio in 1845. The US Census of 1850 now shows the family living in Ashland County. Did the family move? No, the boundaries were redrawn. The exact spot where the person was born is no longer called Richland County, but rather Ashland County. In some cases, I've got families living on the same exact farms and nothing has changed other than time and the location name. So the question becomes, how do you show his birth location: the old name or the new name? If you choose the old name for his birth location, the collective data and any generated reports make it seem as if the family moved. And in a few isolated cases, those location names may no longer exist. If you use the new name, Legacy complains at the time of entry that the county did not exist at the time and was not formed until 1846 (or whatever year). It's kind of a "gentle warning" which you can easily dismiss and then everything would seem right in the universe. I just had a similar situation come up in which an individual was born in Fargo, Dakota Territory (before it was a state), but sure enough, all later census, military, and marriage records show his birth location as Fargo, North Dakota. I'm trying to be a purist and use the original location names but judging from what I'm seeing on other people's genealogical reports, I get the feeling that I'm swimming upstream on this. Inquiring Minds Want to Know Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
