Re: [LegacyUG] Shared event question
Wow, these shared events threads are nearly over-whelming! Or maybe I've just been at the computer too long today. ;) I wanted to thank you all... Brian, Mike, Tony, Jenny... for your perseverance and for sharing your experiences here. I am learning a lot know my shared events experience in v8 will be better now. --Paula in Texas From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared event question The sources you link to an event apply to the entire event and will be cited for the event for everyone who shares it. There is no provision to apply separate sources to the shares for an event. This is the same for the vital events and for any extra events you add. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Shared event question
On 2014/01/16 01:01, Tony Rolfe wrote: I probably didn't make myself clear, but I'm not trying to share a Marriage Certificate event. I'm sharing the marriage vital event using the share button next to the marriage location in the edit marriage window. The marriage certificate is used as a source for the marriage and for any other information found on it. The marriage has two sources - the certificate and a FREEBMD marriage index. Unfortunately, both of these carry over to the shared events, even though the FreeBMD source detail has nothing to do with the father. Unlike a lot of people, I define an extra event for this: Marriage Registration. One reason for this is that the marriage (usually) took place in a church, whilst the registration of the marriage was effected in a Registration District. Two separate locations. The main reason is, of course, that the registration only applies to the two main protagonists: there is no mention of anyone else that could possibly share in the event. The registration is just a means of locating and estimating when a marriage may have taken place. It is not 'proof' of the marriage, just a means of locating the certificate. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Shared event question
The sources you link to an event apply to the entire event and will be cited for the event for everyone who shares it. There is no provision to apply separate sources to the shares for an event. This is the same for the vital events and for any extra events you add. If that means you will not use shared sources then make a suggestion that different sources be allowed for those who share an event. We are happy to consider suggestions for new features. In Legacy you can suggest a new feature by clicking on the link on the Legacy Home Tab Support Section Other users can make a suggestion here: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Suggest.asp Use the drop down list in the first box to select a category, Legacy or Legacy Charting. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 15-Jan-2014 6:01 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: Brian I probably didn't make myself clear, but I'm not trying to share a Marriage Certificate event. I'm sharing the marriage vital event using the share button next to the marriage location in the edit marriage window. The marriage certificate is used as a source for the marriage and for any other information found on it. The marriage has two sources - the certificate and a FREEBMD marriage index. Unfortunately, both of these carry over to the shared events, even though the FreeBMD source detail has nothing to do with the father. No worries thought I, I'll just delete the FreeBMD from the father's event. Apart from getting a weird error message (Marriage 6587 not found) that seemed to go OK, except that it also deleted the source from the original. This also happened with my marriage witnesses. They get the Marriage Certificate source which is correct and the FreeBMD source which is nonsense. That definitely seems to be a bug. Carrying all sources over seems logical (or at least convenient), but not allowing them to be cleaned up and used only where needed is just not correct. I'll be walking away from shared events for a while until that is fixed. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Shared event question
Thanks Kurt, I'm almost there now. I have created a Bride's Father role and the sentence reads [Ondate] his daughter [WifeFirstName]'s marriage certificate said he was and I will add a labourer via the notes as you suggested. However, I tested this with the marriage between Joseph Doyle and Ellen Carey so I expected [WifeFirstName] to become Ellen. The actual sentence reads On 21 Aug 1904 his daughter John's marriage certificate said he was These are the shared event notes. I gather that the event notes bit is a known bug, but I don't know why Ellen's name has become John. I don't have any wives named John in my tree. Something odd has now happened. I saved the shared event and then edited it again and now the sentence reads On 21 Aug 1904 his daughter Archibald's marriage certificate said he was a labourer. Interestingly, his name is Archibald - but he still wasn't anyone's wife. Most peculiar Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Shared event question
On 15/01/2014 10:22, Tony Rolfe wrote: Thanks Kurt, I'm almost there now. I have created a Bride's Father role and the sentence reads [Ondate] his daughter [WifeFirstName]'s marriage certificate said he was and I will add a labourer via the notes as you suggested. However, I tested this with the marriage between Joseph Doyle and Ellen Carey so I expected [WifeFirstName] to become Ellen. The actual sentence reads On 21 Aug 1904 his daughter John's marriage certificate said he was These are the shared event notes. Hurrah! Glad I'm not the only one who is seeing this. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Shared event question
There is a fix coming that is listed as specifically for [FirstHeShe] on the Family Group Sheet (report). Hopefully, that will also fix all the other wrong names being returned in shared events. -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:40 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared event question On 15/01/2014 10:22, Tony Rolfe wrote: Thanks Kurt, I'm almost there now. I have created a Bride's Father role and the sentence reads [Ondate] his daughter [WifeFirstName]'s marriage certificate said he was and I will add a labourer via the notes as you suggested. However, I tested this with the marriage between Joseph Doyle and Ellen Carey so I expected [WifeFirstName] to become Ellen. The actual sentence reads On 21 Aug 1904 his daughter John's marriage certificate said he was These are the shared event notes. Hurrah! Glad I'm not the only one who is seeing this. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Shared event question
OK I tried to duplicate your problem with the father's name appearing in the event sentence when he has shared his daughter's marriage certificate. 1. Marriage certificate is not a standard legacy event so I had to create one. I left the default sentences for the marriage certificate alone. 2. After creating the event I added the role Bride's Father for the event. For all the variations of the sentence I pasted in your [Ondate] his daughter [WifeFirstName]'s marriage certificate said he was as the sentence. I made this the default role for the event. 3. I then went to Asa Brown and Eleanor Huffman in the sample file. I added a marriage event for the couple of marriage certificate with a date of 1 Feb 1832 and shared that with John Huffman (Eleanor's father). His role was Bride's Father and in the notes I entered a printer for his occupation. 4. In the Family Group Record for John Huffman and Molly Smith the sentence reads On 1 February 1832 his daughter Eleanor's marriage certificate said he was a printer This event was shared from Asa Clark /BROWN/ and Eleanor /HUFFMAN/ who also shared it with John /HUFFMAN/ (Bride's Father). This is what you wanted I think. 5. Do NOT concern yourself with the sentence previews shown at the bottom of the shared event role edit screen or on the event sentence edit screens. As the header for that preview says this is based on sample data and does not reflect anything from your own file. There is a little box beside the options where you can select whether the preview will be for a male individual or a female individual. There is not option for a marriage event because you cannot share an event with a marriage, only with a person. When you are defining the sentences for an event the options are male, female or marriage. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 15-Jan-2014 5:22 AM, Tony Rolfe wrote: Thanks Kurt, I'm almost there now. I have created a Bride's Father role and the sentence reads [Ondate] his daughter [WifeFirstName]'s marriage certificate said he was and I will add a labourer via the notes as you suggested. However, I tested this with the marriage between Joseph Doyle and Ellen Carey so I expected [WifeFirstName] to become Ellen. The actual sentence reads On 21 Aug 1904 his daughter John's marriage certificate said he was These are the shared event notes. I gather that the event notes bit is a known bug, but I don't know why Ellen's name has become John. I don't have any wives named John in my tree. Something odd has now happened. I saved the shared event and then edited it again and now the sentence reads On 21 Aug 1904 his daughter Archibald's marriage certificate said he was a labourer. Interestingly, his name is Archibald - but he still wasn't anyone's wife. Most peculiar Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp . Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Shared event question
Brian I probably didn't make myself clear, but I'm not trying to share a Marriage Certificate event. I'm sharing the marriage vital event using the share button next to the marriage location in the edit marriage window. The marriage certificate is used as a source for the marriage and for any other information found on it. The marriage has two sources - the certificate and a FREEBMD marriage index. Unfortunately, both of these carry over to the shared events, even though the FreeBMD source detail has nothing to do with the father. No worries thought I, I'll just delete the FreeBMD from the father's event. Apart from getting a weird error message (Marriage 6587 not found) that seemed to go OK, except that it also deleted the source from the original. This also happened with my marriage witnesses. They get the Marriage Certificate source which is correct and the FreeBMD source which is nonsense. That definitely seems to be a bug. Carrying all sources over seems logical (or at least convenient), but not allowing them to be cleaned up and used only where needed is just not correct. I'll be walking away from shared events for a while until that is fixed. Cheers Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Shared event question
I've just started to play with the shared events in V8 and have hit a small snag. Under V7.5, whenever I had a marriage certificate I would enter the marriage details for the couple. Then I would add a marriage event called Witnesses where I would list the witnesses names. If the witnesses were in my tree I would add a Marriage Witness event to the people concerned. This bit is easy to replace with the shared event. I would also add an event to each of the couples fathers. This was an occupation event and the sentence reads (in part) [OnDate] [Notes] said he was a [Desc] So we might get On 16 Jun 1896 his son George's marriage certificate said he was a labourer. This is the bit I can't see how to replicate. I tried setting up a Groom's father role so I could build the basic part of the sentence but I can't see how to get the occupation into the shared event. Essentially, I need to add information from the certificate which isn't in the base event. I'm guessing that this is impossible, but I live in hope. Advice would be appreciated. Thanks Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Shared event question
I think you want to include the occupation statement in the Notes (specific to this person's role). Sentence structure could be something like [onDate] he was the [EventRole] at the [Event] of [MainCouple]. [Notes]. The sentence would be something like On 16 June 1896 he was the Groom's father at the marriage of George Smith and Sally Jones. The marriage certificate listed his occupation as labourer. -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:33 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Shared event question I've just started to play with the shared events in V8 and have hit a small snag. Under V7.5, whenever I had a marriage certificate I would enter the marriage details for the couple. Then I would add a marriage event called Witnesses where I would list the witnesses names. If the witnesses were in my tree I would add a Marriage Witness event to the people concerned. This bit is easy to replace with the shared event. I would also add an event to each of the couples fathers. This was an occupation event and the sentence reads (in part) [OnDate] [Notes] said he was a [Desc] So we might get On 16 Jun 1896 his son George's marriage certificate said he was a labourer. This is the bit I can't see how to replicate. I tried setting up a Groom's father role so I could build the basic part of the sentence but I can't see how to get the occupation into the shared event. Essentially, I need to add information from the certificate which isn't in the base event. I'm guessing that this is impossible, but I live in hope. Advice would be appreciated. Thanks Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
