Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts
Yes - for this option it doesn't read the Legacy database at all, but rather the HTML generated by Legacy. And if they were to get mucked about with, they can be recreated easily enough. Several of the other tools have been integrated in recent versions of Legacy anyway. Thanks for the heads-up. I've run it over my web pages, and it has produced a CSS file which looks quite manageable. Slainte Gordon gordon.find...@outlook.com Keep Calm and Obey the Laws of Thermodynamics From: LegacyUserGroup on behalf of Susie Zada Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2018 9:27 AM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts I am using the latest version of Legacy and still use LTools for the web / css option - works fine. Obviously I always make sure I have a backup before using it and I don't use it for other options, but definitely OK with this one. Regards ... Susie Z June 26, 2018 1:54 AM, "Gordon Small" mailto:%22Gordon%20Small%22%20>> wrote: I've not seen any comments on this forum about LTools in a long time and don't know if it works with Legacy 9 but it looks like it can still be downloaded at http://www.zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/download-ltools (if you care to try it) Or maybe someone here has tried it and can chime in. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts
I am using the latest version of Legacy and still use LTools for the web / css option - works fine. Obviously I always make sure I have a backup before using it and I don't use it for other options, but definitely OK with this one. Regards ... Susie Z June 26, 2018 1:54 AM, "Gordon Small" wrote: I've not seen any comments on this forum about LTools in a long time and don't know if it works with Legacy 9 but it looks like it can still be downloaded at http://www.zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/download-ltools (http://www.zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/download-ltools) (if you care to try it) Or maybe someone here has tried it and can chime in. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts
Thanks everyone for the discussion on LTools. I'd already seen it - and rejected it. It was designed for earliier versions of Legacy, as people have said. and since the database structure is now different, that rules it out for me. I first programmed a computer in 1968, and I don't use my own old code either Slainte Gordon gordon.find...@outlook.com Keep Calm and Obey the Laws of Thermodynamics From: LegacyUserGroup on behalf of Chris Hill Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2018 6:37 AM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts Hi As a retired IT Manager, programmer and developer I would agree that LTools would be a risk. Looking at his website, as far as I can tell, nothing has been updated since Aug 2014 apart from one reference to a patch to LTools in Aug 2015. That would suggest that he is no longer doing any development. That is because it is dependent on its developer being totally aware of the internal structure of the Legacy database, in terms of the underlying tables, the fields within them and the way that they are linked, along with any additional files that Legacy might create, and I have never understood why they are not within the main database. That structure is, of course, totally under the control of the Legacy developers and presumably subject to copyright rules, until Legacy make them publicly available. Having said that, I have used M/S Access, on a duplicate copy of my database, to view some of the fields and links in order to resolve some very odd issues. Using LTools or Access to make changes to the data is possible, so long as the user, and LTools developer, KNOWS exactly what they are changing and why. There are very good reasons to do this type of modification since there may be no functionality built into Legacy capable of making changes to some of the data, especially with a need to make changes generically across a subset of the data. With time and effort I could generate an equivalent to LTools based on the current version of Legacy, but then that would need ongoing support as Legacy modifies the system, and would probably be in breach of copyright. As such, a program like that should be developed by the Legacy developers, and not by its users, and should be built into the main Legacy program. Regards Chris -- Original Message -- From: "Sherry H" To: "Legacy User Group" Sent: 25/06/2018 17:26:28 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts LTools is not a Legacy sponsored program - Dennis was totally on his own with it. When Legacy added Shared Events, Dennis had difficulty updating LTools to work with all the changes in the program. There are even larger data schema changes in v9. Some parts of LTools work fine with Legacy v8 and 9. On the LTools menu, there's a link to compatibility with v8 http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/legacy-v8-compatibility/ Tidy HTML tool will work since it doesn't access the database itself. He also has a warning on his site "This toolkit’s intended audience is the “advanced” Legacy user. Casual Legacy users who are not comfortable with computers in general are encouraged NOT to use LTools. In addition, users who are NOT familiar with general backup and recovery strategies AND Legacy’s Backup/Restore functionality should not attempt to use LTools." http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/what-is-ltools/ Sherry On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Gordon Small wrote: I haven't been active on this form for a number of years but I do read some of the posts from time to time to keep up with what's new. I do however miss a lot of the info that comes across. So, if my comments have already been addressed I apologize. Regarding website manipulation: There is a program that allows someone with a not too in depth knowledge of html and css to create better looking websites from the pages generated by the Legacy program. Dennis Kowallek created the program utility LTools a few years back when Legacy was on version 7, I believe, and it continues to work on version 8. I,ve purchased Legacy version 9 but I haven't upgraded my S/W yet because I'm not sure if Legacy 9 works with the last version of LTools. I just haven't had the need to update or investigate the compatibility. However, Dennis closed down his Ltools business and started offering LTools free and I have a copy of his last release. I've not seen any comments on this forum about LTools in a long time and don't know if it works with Legacy 9 but it looks like it can still be downloaded at http://www.zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/download-ltools (if you care to try it) Or maybe someone here has tried it and can chime in. My latest site was created a few years ago. Check this example Legacy created page... http://www.glsmall.com/10.htm (Colors and fonts were done with LTools. Other html things were done entirely with html capabilities inside Legacy. -G --
Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts
Hi As a retired IT Manager, programmer and developer I would agree that LTools would be a risk. Looking at his website, as far as I can tell, nothing has been updated since Aug 2014 apart from one reference to a patch to LTools in Aug 2015. That would suggest that he is no longer doing any development. That is because it is dependent on its developer being totally aware of the internal structure of the Legacy database, in terms of the underlying tables, the fields within them and the way that they are linked, along with any additional files that Legacy might create, and I have never understood why they are not within the main database. That structure is, of course, totally under the control of the Legacy developers and presumably subject to copyright rules, until Legacy make them publicly available. Having said that, I have used M/S Access, on a duplicate copy of my database, to view some of the fields and links in order to resolve some very odd issues. Using LTools or Access to make changes to the data is possible, so long as the user, and LTools developer, KNOWS exactly what they are changing and why. There are very good reasons to do this type of modification since there may be no functionality built into Legacy capable of making changes to some of the data, especially with a need to make changes generically across a subset of the data. With time and effort I could generate an equivalent to LTools based on the current version of Legacy, but then that would need ongoing support as Legacy modifies the system, and would probably be in breach of copyright. As such, a program like that should be developed by the Legacy developers, and not by its users, and should be built into the main Legacy program. Regards Chris -- Original Message -- From: "Sherry H" To: "Legacy User Group" Sent: 25/06/2018 17:26:28 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts LTools is not a Legacy sponsored program - Dennis was totally on his own with it. When Legacy added Shared Events, Dennis had difficulty updating LTools to work with all the changes in the program. There are even larger data schema changes in v9. Some parts of LTools work fine with Legacy v8 and 9. On the LTools menu, there's a link to compatibility with v8 http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/legacy-v8-compatibility/ Tidy HTML tool will work since it doesn't access the database itself. He also has a warning on his site "This toolkit’s intended audience is the “advanced” Legacy user. Casual Legacy users who are not comfortable with computers in general are encouraged NOT to use LTools. In addition, users who are NOT familiar with general backup and recovery strategies AND Legacy’s Backup/Restore functionality should not attempt to use LTools." http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/what-is-ltools/ Sherry On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Gordon Small wrote: I haven't been active on this form for a number of years but I do read some of the posts from time to time to keep up with what's new. I do however miss a lot of the info that comes across. So, if my comments have already been addressed I apologize. Regarding website manipulation: There is a program that allows someone with a not too in depth knowledge of html and css to create better looking websites from the pages generated by the Legacy program. Dennis Kowallek created the program utility LTools a few years back when Legacy was on version 7, I believe, and it continues to work on version 8. I,ve purchased Legacy version 9 but I haven't upgraded my S/W yet because I'm not sure if Legacy 9 works with the last version of LTools. I just haven't had the need to update or investigate the compatibility. However, Dennis closed down his Ltools business and started offering LTools free and I have a copy of his last release. I've not seen any comments on this forum about LTools in a long time and don't know if it works with Legacy 9 but it looks like it can still be downloaded at http://www.zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/download-ltools (if you care to try it) Or maybe someone here has tried it and can chime in. My latest site was created a few years ago. Check this example Legacy created page... http://www.glsmall.com/10.htm (Colors and fonts were done with LTools. Other html things were done entirely with html capabilities inside Legacy. -G -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/-- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts
It should also be added that Dennis has quit developing LTools so the existing version 1.4.0 is the last one that will be issued. Brian Kelly On 25-Jun-18 12:26 PM, Sherry H wrote: LTools is not a Legacy sponsored program - Dennis was totally on his own with it. When Legacy added Shared Events, Dennis had difficulty updating LTools to work with all the changes in the program. There are even larger data schema changes in v9. Some parts of LTools work fine with Legacy v8 and 9. On the LTools menu, there's a link to compatibility with v8 http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/legacy-v8-compatibility/ Tidy HTML tool will work since it doesn't access the database itself. He also has a warning on his site "This toolkit’s intended audience is the “advanced” Legacy user. Casual Legacy users who are not comfortable with computers in general are encouraged NOT to use LTools. In addition, users who are NOT familiar with general backup and recovery strategies AND Legacy’s Backup/Restore functionality should not attempt to use LTools." http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/what-is-ltools/ Sherry On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Gordon Small wrote: I haven't been active on this form for a number of years but I do read some of the posts from time to time to keep up with what's new. I do however miss a lot of the info that comes across. So, if my comments have already been addressed I apologize. Regarding website manipulation: There is a program that allows someone with a not too in depth knowledge of html and css to create better looking websites from the pages generated by the Legacy program. Dennis Kowallek created the program utility LTools a few years back when Legacy was on version 7, I believe, and it continues to work on version 8. I,ve purchased Legacy version 9 but I haven't upgraded my S/W yet because I'm not sure if Legacy 9 works with the last version of LTools. I just haven't had the need to update or investigate the compatibility. However, Dennis closed down his Ltools business and started offering LTools free and I have a copy of his last release. I've not seen any comments on this forum about LTools in a long time and don't know if it works with Legacy 9 but it looks like it can still be downloaded at http://www.zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/download-ltools (if you care to try it) Or maybe someone here has tried it and can chime in. My latest site was created a few years ago. Check this example Legacy created page... http://www.glsmall.com/10.htm (Colors and fonts were done with LTools. Other html things were done entirely with html capabilities inside Legacy. -G -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts
LTools is not a Legacy sponsored program - Dennis was totally on his own with it. When Legacy added Shared Events, Dennis had difficulty updating LTools to work with all the changes in the program. There are even larger data schema changes in v9. Some parts of LTools work fine with Legacy v8 and 9. On the LTools menu, there's a link to compatibility with v8 http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/legacy-v8-compatibility/ Tidy HTML tool will work since it doesn't access the database itself. He also has a warning on his site "This toolkit’s intended audience is the “advanced” Legacy user. Casual Legacy users who are not comfortable with computers in general are encouraged NOT to use LTools. In addition, users who are NOT familiar with general backup and recovery strategies AND Legacy’s Backup/Restore functionality should not attempt to use LTools." http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/what-is-ltools/ Sherry On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Gordon Small wrote: > I haven't been active on this form for a number of years but I do read some > of the posts from time to time to keep up with what's new. I do however miss > a lot of the info that comes across. So, if my comments have already been > addressed I apologize. > > Regarding website manipulation: There is a program that allows someone with > a not too in depth knowledge of html and css to create better looking > websites from the pages generated by the Legacy program. Dennis Kowallek > created the program utility LTools a few years back when Legacy was on > version 7, I believe, and it continues to work on version 8. I,ve purchased > Legacy version 9 but I haven't upgraded my S/W yet because I'm not sure if > Legacy 9 works with the last version of LTools. I just haven't had the need > to update or investigate the compatibility. However, Dennis closed down his > Ltools business and started offering LTools free and I have a copy of his > last release. > > I've not seen any comments on this forum about LTools in a long time and > don't know if it works with Legacy 9 but it looks like it can still be > downloaded at http://www.zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/download-ltools > (if you care to try it) > > Or maybe someone here has tried it and can chime in. > > My latest site was created a few years ago. Check this example Legacy > created page... http://www.glsmall.com/10.htm (Colors and fonts were done > with LTools. Other html things were done entirely with html capabilities > inside Legacy. > > -G > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts
I haven't been active on this form for a number of years but I do read some of the posts from time to time to keep up with what's new. I do however miss a lot of the info that comes across. So, if my comments have already been addressed I apologize. Regarding website manipulation: There is a program that allows someone with a not too in depth knowledge of html and css to create better looking websites from the pages generated by the Legacy program. Dennis Kowallek created the program utility LTools a few years back when Legacy was on version 7, I believe, and it continues to work on version 8. I,ve purchased Legacy version 9 but I haven't upgraded my S/W yet because I'm not sure if Legacy 9 works with the last version of LTools. I just haven't had the need to update or investigate the compatibility. However, Dennis closed down his Ltools business and started offering LTools free and I have a copy of his last release. I've not seen any comments on this forum about LTools in a long time and don't know if it works with Legacy 9 but it looks like it can still be downloaded at http://www.zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/download-ltools (if you care to try it) Or maybe someone here has tried it and can chime in. My latest site was created a few years ago. Check this example Legacy created page... http://www.glsmall.com/10.htm (Colors and fonts were done with LTools. Other html things were done entirely with html capabilities inside Legacy. -G On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 5:47 AM Mary Young wrote: > has been thus for many years and I doubt whether any update will ever > happen. My concern is the disproportionate font sizes, so I run a global > search and replace to make changes. > Mary Young > > On Sunday, 24 June 2018, Gordon Findlay > wrote: > >> Is it possible to change the sizes of fonts in the generated web pages >> (without doing it manually of course)? >> >> >> in the web pages just generated (Pedigree style) the vitals - such as BMD >> - are formatted with >> >> >> while events and stories have >> >> >> I'd prefer them the other way around, as the minimum change. >> >> >> I don't see anywhere in all the options to change this. >> >> >> [Of course, if it were done with CSS it would be elementary to alter. >> Maybe that's an idea for the next version.] >> >> >> Slainte >> Gordon >> >> gordon.find...@outlook.com >> Keep Calm and Obey the Laws of Thermodynamics >> > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts
has been thus for many years and I doubt whether any update will ever happen. My concern is the disproportionate font sizes, so I run a global search and replace to make changes. Mary Young On Sunday, 24 June 2018, Gordon Findlay wrote: > Is it possible to change the sizes of fonts in the generated web pages > (without doing it manually of course)? > > > in the web pages just generated (Pedigree style) the vitals - such as BMD > - are formatted with > > > while events and stories have > > > I'd prefer them the other way around, as the minimum change. > > > I don't see anywhere in all the options to change this. > > > [Of course, if it were done with CSS it would be elementary to alter. > Maybe that's an idea for the next version.] > > > Slainte > Gordon > > gordon.find...@outlook.com > Keep Calm and Obey the Laws of Thermodynamics > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] Web pages - fonts
Is it possible to change the sizes of fonts in the generated web pages (without doing it manually of course)? in the web pages just generated (Pedigree style) the vitals - such as BMD - are formatted with while events and stories have I'd prefer them the other way around, as the minimum change. I don't see anywhere in all the options to change this. [Of course, if it were done with CSS it would be elementary to alter. Maybe that's an idea for the next version.] Slainte Gordon gordon.find...@outlook.com Keep Calm and Obey the Laws of Thermodynamics -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
