RE: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting
Jenny: Thanks very much for your example. I've printed it off, and have filed it in my "how to" Legacy folder. L > From: ge...@cedarbank.me.uk > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:29:10 + > > On 09/01/2014 23:41, lio . wrote: > > > > *I* transcribe the complete document and copy to the Master Text. I then > > copy pertinent parts of the Master Text to the Detail Text depending on > > what I want to prove. (VERY time consuming, but I liked that if forced > > me to analyze the document). > > > > *You* transcribe the complete document, but instead of having it in the > > Master text you have the complete transcription in the Detail text. Is > > that right? Everyone using that Source has the complete transcription. > > Offhand (and I am in a bit of a rush right now) I can't think of an > instance where I would transcribe anything completely in a Master Source. > > I think the only time I use Master Source Text is to copy some > descriptive text from a website or other source, such as "The landmark > American National Biography offers portraits of more than 17,400 men and > women -- from all eras and walks of life -- whose lives have shaped the > nation." for the ANB Online or "Original data: Principal Probate > Registry. Calendar of the Grants of Probate and Letters of > Administration made in the Probate Registries of the High Court of > Justice in England. London, England" for the National Probate Calendar > reproduced on Ancestry. > > > > 2. Comparing your method to Shared Events, your method seems more exact > > (and transferable by GEDCOM) is the only plus of Shared Events that it > > would be faster? > > Don't really know enough about Shared Events yet to comment. > > > -- > Jenny M Benson > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting
Cathy: You're right. Although crazy extreme splitter is more like it. I've just started "lumping" and OMG what a difference. Lumping is SO MUCH FASTER. And using the Shared Event feature is making things fly even faster. A nice extra is "Evidence Explained" (and other sourcing books) are really delivered from the perspective of a Lumper, so the examples make more sense for me too. Thanks for your reply. L > From: genea...@gmail.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:00:27 +0800 > > Hi Leo, > I'm not Jenny and haven't read the whole thread - but if you can put > the transcription in the Master Source text, then you are almost an > extreme splitter. > For example: I have a Census source for each year for each country. > (most of my research is in the UK) But even if I had one for each > county in the US for each year, I'd hardly transcribe the whole > census for the county and put it in the Master Source Text. ;-) > > I rarely use the Master Source Text. I used to for certificates when > I had very few certificates and I saw each one as a separate source - > but now I have a Master Source for certificates from a particular > Registry Office and the transcription again goes into the source detail text. > > So the only sources with Master Source text or images are those for > unique items - like a particular Family Bible. > > Cathy > > At 07:41 AM 10/01/2014, you wrote: > >Jenny: > > > >1. As I mentioned when I started my family tree I didn't source my > >documents (I never in a million years thought it would get as big as > >it is, and did not understand why it was so important). > > > >I'm now trying to redo my tree, but this time sourcing each > >documents (I do have copies of every document, and written on the > >back the day I accessed it, etc.). > > > >My method of splitting is taking me WAY too long to redo. I'm > >thinking lumping will save me a huge amount of time. > > > >Can I ask you (and any other lumpers). > > > >*I* transcribe the complete document and copy to the Master Text. I > >then copy pertinent parts of the Master Text to the Detail Text > >depending on what I want to prove. (VERY time consuming, but I liked > >that if forced me to analyze the document). > > > >*You* transcribe the complete document, but instead of having it in > >the Master text you have the complete transcription in the Detail > >text. Is that right? Everyone using that Source has the complete > >transcription. > > > >2. Comparing your method to Shared Events, your method seems more > >exact (and transferable by GEDCOM) is the only plus of Shared Events > >that it would be faster? > > > >Thanks again for your direction, > > > >leo > > > > > From: ge...@cedarbank.me.uk > > > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting > > > Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:57:02 + > > > > > > On 26/12/2013 16:16, lio . wrote: > > > > 1. When you source a document, where do you put the transcription - in > > > > the Master Text, or in the Detail Text? > > > > > > Being a lumper (which is actually correct practice for a relational > > > database, although I don't always carry it to the full extent which I > > > should) I put transcriptions in the Source Detail because that is where > > > they are relevant. > > > > > > For example, I have a Master Source for Birth Certificates from the > > > GRO. A transcription and an image of the Certificate are attached to > > > the Source Detail wherever a particular Certificate is cited. Another > > > example, I have a Master Source for the Book "Monumental Inscriptions of > > > the British West Indies". I attach a transcription and image of the > > > relevant entry to the Source Detail whenever an entry from that book is > > > cited. > > > > > > > 2. Are you using the new Shared Events feature? Any issues? > > > > > > I haven't fully explored this feature yet, but I don't think I will be > > > using it. Using the Birth Certificate example, I have the Birth as a > > > Vital Event for the child and I create an Informant Event for the person > > > who registers the Birth, citing the Birth Certificate as a Source for > > > both Events and for other information such as the parents' names. For a > > > Census, I create an Event which has each pers
Re: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting
On 09/01/2014 23:41, lio . wrote: > > *I* transcribe the complete document and copy to the Master Text. I then > copy pertinent parts of the Master Text to the Detail Text depending on > what I want to prove. (VERY time consuming, but I liked that if forced > me to analyze the document). > > *You* transcribe the complete document, but instead of having it in the > Master text you have the complete transcription in the Detail text. Is > that right? Everyone using that Source has the complete transcription. Offhand (and I am in a bit of a rush right now) I can't think of an instance where I would transcribe anything completely in a Master Source. I think the only time I use Master Source Text is to copy some descriptive text from a website or other source, such as "The landmark American National Biography offers portraits of more than 17,400 men and women -- from all eras and walks of life -- whose lives have shaped the nation." for the ANB Online or "Original data: Principal Probate Registry. Calendar of the Grants of Probate and Letters of Administration made in the Probate Registries of the High Court of Justice in England. London, England" for the National Probate Calendar reproduced on Ancestry. > > 2. Comparing your method to Shared Events, your method seems more exact > (and transferable by GEDCOM) is the only plus of Shared Events that it > would be faster? Don't really know enough about Shared Events yet to comment. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting
I'm glad this question came up, was wondering myself. I am a lumper, the way I record a record of anything, say a census is I create a census event and in the event notes, I transcribe the details of the family and individual that's found on the page. In the master source, I enter the details of where I found it and where other can find it also, mostly the details of Ancestry.com, Family Search and the location the Nation Archives. In the source details, I enter the year, persons name, roll number, enumeration district, address and line number where the family/person is found, then attach an image of the page. I do things this way so the individual and family data is in a note, to be able to see when I open a person to read the event, I have the facts right there. To me, the source is how to find the document again. Also, in reports, I generally dont add sources, the data prints out as a note for a person for all to easily see. Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting
Hi Leo, I'm not Jenny and haven't read the whole thread - but if you can put the transcription in the Master Source text, then you are almost an extreme splitter. For example: I have a Census source for each year for each country. (most of my research is in the UK) But even if I had one for each county in the US for each year, I'd hardly transcribe the whole census for the county and put it in the Master Source Text. ;-) I rarely use the Master Source Text. I used to for certificates when I had very few certificates and I saw each one as a separate source - but now I have a Master Source for certificates from a particular Registry Office and the transcription again goes into the source detail text. So the only sources with Master Source text or images are those for unique items - like a particular Family Bible. Cathy At 07:41 AM 10/01/2014, you wrote: >Jenny: > >1. As I mentioned when I started my family tree I didn't source my >documents (I never in a million years thought it would get as big as >it is, and did not understand why it was so important). > >I'm now trying to redo my tree, but this time sourcing each >documents (I do have copies of every document, and written on the >back the day I accessed it, etc.). > >My method of splitting is taking me WAY too long to redo. I'm >thinking lumping will save me a huge amount of time. > >Can I ask you (and any other lumpers). > >*I* transcribe the complete document and copy to the Master Text. I >then copy pertinent parts of the Master Text to the Detail Text >depending on what I want to prove. (VERY time consuming, but I liked >that if forced me to analyze the document). > >*You* transcribe the complete document, but instead of having it in >the Master text you have the complete transcription in the Detail >text. Is that right? Everyone using that Source has the complete transcription. > >2. Comparing your method to Shared Events, your method seems more >exact (and transferable by GEDCOM) is the only plus of Shared Events >that it would be faster? > >Thanks again for your direction, > >leo > > > From: ge...@cedarbank.me.uk > > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting > > Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:57:02 + > > > > On 26/12/2013 16:16, lio . wrote: > > > 1. When you source a document, where do you put the transcription - in > > > the Master Text, or in the Detail Text? > > > > Being a lumper (which is actually correct practice for a relational > > database, although I don't always carry it to the full extent which I > > should) I put transcriptions in the Source Detail because that is where > > they are relevant. > > > > For example, I have a Master Source for Birth Certificates from the > > GRO. A transcription and an image of the Certificate are attached to > > the Source Detail wherever a particular Certificate is cited. Another > > example, I have a Master Source for the Book "Monumental Inscriptions of > > the British West Indies". I attach a transcription and image of the > > relevant entry to the Source Detail whenever an entry from that book is > > cited. > > > > > 2. Are you using the new Shared Events feature? Any issues? > > > > I haven't fully explored this feature yet, but I don't think I will be > > using it. Using the Birth Certificate example, I have the Birth as a > > Vital Event for the child and I create an Informant Event for the person > > who registers the Birth, citing the Birth Certificate as a Source for > > both Events and for other information such as the parents' names. For a > > Census, I create an Event which has each person's details in the Desc > > field and a listing of all the members of the household in the Notes > > field. I am very happy with this arrangement and don't see how a Shared > > Event could improve on it. > > > > > > -- > > Jenny M Benson > > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > Follow Legacy on Facebook > (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog > (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > >Legacy User Group guidel
RE: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting
David: Thank you very much for the explanation. That really helped make it clearer for me. I'm now teetering on switching over to lumping and using shared events (from splitting and creating separate events). As I'm playing catch-up I think using the shared events will help me in the time required (much faster to click a few boxes, instead of creating separate events and sourcing them). Although I prefer like Jenny's method, I think I need to focus on completing the project in a timely manner, and once everything has been re-input and properly sourced I can go back and create separate events for key people. Thanks (I'm mostly talking out loud I guess). Leo > From: davidnew...@drdavid.plus.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:52:37 + > > I think that one advantage of shared events comes from the fact that you > only have one copy of each piece of citation data. As far as I can tell > the Legacy database is not normalized in the sense that it is easily > possible to take, for example, a citation and copy rather than link it > into several places. At this point the citations become independent so > that a correction made to one is not automatically made to the other > copies. In my opinion there should be two possibilities once you have a > citation on the clip board - copy or link. So if you intend to use the > citation as the basis for a new citation you copy but if you want to > re-use the same citation exactly then you link. > > The linking mechanism to some extent already exists since media is > generally linked without making multiple copies. > > David > > (I am not receiving emails from LUG for some reason and I am following > the threads though the archive so this may not thread correctly. If it > gets through at all!) > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting
Jenny: 1. As I mentioned when I started my family tree I didn't source my documents (I never in a million years thought it would get as big as it is, and did not understand why it was so important). I'm now trying to redo my tree, but this time sourcing each documents (I do have copies of every document, and written on the back the day I accessed it, etc.). My method of splitting is taking me WAY too long to redo. I'm thinking lumping will save me a huge amount of time. Can I ask you (and any other lumpers). *I* transcribe the complete document and copy to the Master Text. I then copy pertinent parts of the Master Text to the Detail Text depending on what I want to prove. (VERY time consuming, but I liked that if forced me to analyze the document). *You* transcribe the complete document, but instead of having it in the Master text you have the complete transcription in the Detail text. Is that right? Everyone using that Source has the complete transcription. 2. Comparing your method to Shared Events, your method seems more exact (and transferable by GEDCOM) is the only plus of Shared Events that it would be faster? Thanks again for your direction, leo > From: ge...@cedarbank.me.uk > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting > Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:57:02 + > > On 26/12/2013 16:16, lio . wrote: > > 1. When you source a document, where do you put the transcription - in > > the Master Text, or in the Detail Text? > > Being a lumper (which is actually correct practice for a relational > database, although I don't always carry it to the full extent which I > should) I put transcriptions in the Source Detail because that is where > they are relevant. > > For example, I have a Master Source for Birth Certificates from the > GRO. A transcription and an image of the Certificate are attached to > the Source Detail wherever a particular Certificate is cited. Another > example, I have a Master Source for the Book "Monumental Inscriptions of > the British West Indies". I attach a transcription and image of the > relevant entry to the Source Detail whenever an entry from that book is > cited. > > > 2. Are you using the new Shared Events feature? Any issues? > > I haven't fully explored this feature yet, but I don't think I will be > using it. Using the Birth Certificate example, I have the Birth as a > Vital Event for the child and I create an Informant Event for the person > who registers the Birth, citing the Birth Certificate as a Source for > both Events and for other information such as the parents' names. For a > Census, I create an Event which has each person's details in the Desc > field and a listing of all the members of the household in the Notes > field. I am very happy with this arrangement and don't see how a Shared > Event could improve on it. > > > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting
I think that one advantage of shared events comes from the fact that you only have one copy of each piece of citation data. As far as I can tell the Legacy database is not normalized in the sense that it is easily possible to take, for example, a citation and copy rather than link it into several places. At this point the citations become independent so that a correction made to one is not automatically made to the other copies. In my opinion there should be two possibilities once you have a citation on the clip board - copy or link. So if you intend to use the citation as the basis for a new citation you copy but if you want to re-use the same citation exactly then you link. The linking mechanism to some extent already exists since media is generally linked without making multiple copies. David (I am not receiving emails from LUG for some reason and I am following the threads though the archive so this may not thread correctly. If it gets through at all!) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting
On 26/12/2013 16:16, lio . wrote: > 1. When you source a document, where do you put the transcription - in > the Master Text, or in the Detail Text? Being a lumper (which is actually correct practice for a relational database, although I don't always carry it to the full extent which I should) I put transcriptions in the Source Detail because that is where they are relevant. For example, I have a Master Source for Birth Certificates from the GRO. A transcription and an image of the Certificate are attached to the Source Detail wherever a particular Certificate is cited. Another example, I have a Master Source for the Book "Monumental Inscriptions of the British West Indies". I attach a transcription and image of the relevant entry to the Source Detail whenever an entry from that book is cited. > 2. Are you using the new Shared Events feature? Any issues? I haven't fully explored this feature yet, but I don't think I will be using it. Using the Birth Certificate example, I have the Birth as a Vital Event for the child and I create an Informant Event for the person who registers the Birth, citing the Birth Certificate as a Source for both Events and for other information such as the parents' names. For a Census, I create an Event which has each person's details in the Desc field and a listing of all the members of the household in the Notes field. I am very happy with this arrangement and don't see how a Shared Event could improve on it. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
