Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
Do I need a special program to put the pictures into TIFF? My scanner shows only JPEG and PDF. I have a copier/scanner/fax. I appreciate all of you who have taken the time to write me. I have Jeff's book (didn't see the workshop on line), but I haven't been able to decifer TIFF. I know that seems to be the best place to save family photos that there appears to be only one of a kind and then make copies in JPEG to share. A hearty thank you to each of you who responded. As you can see I'm still learning. Barb - Original Message - From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures If you have something like Adobe Photoshop Elements you can open your PDF's there and it will extract the photos for you. Do it one PDF at a time. The other way (depending on the size of your photos) is to open the PDF as usual. Depending on your PDF reader there may be a camera icon in the menu that allows you to take a screenshot of the photo. You'd want to be able to do that at full size, of course. It depends what software is available to you but,no, you can't edit a photo inside a PDF. Not in the way you mean, anyway. And no, you shouldn't be editing JPG's. It's a compressed format and every time you edit and re-save you'll lose picture quality. Your photos should be in TIFF to begin with but that's not always possible. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/18/2013 1:35 PM, Barbara wrote: Hopefully you don't think this is off topic. Two questions about pdf saved photos: 1. Is there a way to edit pdf saved pictures? 2. If not is there a way to change pdf saved pictures into jpeg so they can be edited? I'm learning, and have saved several phots in pdf and have not been able to work with them. Maybe I've learned a lesson and should save all of them in jpeg. Awaiting your thoughts and expertise. Barb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
Personally, the way I change a.pdf to a .jpg is to take a screenshot of the .pdf and save it as a .jpg. I use Picasa which is *so* easy to edit in and is free. Other than the usual .jpg loss problems -- which is ordinarily not a problem in Legacy -- I don't know of any disadvantages. Pat On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Barbara bschwart...@twcny.rr.com wrote: Do I need a special program to put the pictures into TIFF? My scanner shows only JPEG and PDF. I have a copier/scanner/fax. I appreciate all of you who have taken the time to write me. I have Jeff's book (didn't see the workshop on line), but I haven't been able to decifer TIFF. I know that seems to be the best place to save family photos that there appears to be only one of a kind and then make copies in JPEG to share. A hearty thank you to each of you who responded. As you can see I'm still learning. Barb - Original Message - From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures If you have something like Adobe Photoshop Elements you can open your PDF's there and it will extract the photos for you. Do it one PDF at a time. The other way (depending on the size of your photos) is to open the PDF as usual. Depending on your PDF reader there may be a camera icon in the menu that allows you to take a screenshot of the photo. You'd want to be able to do that at full size, of course. It depends what software is available to you but,no, you can't edit a photo inside a PDF. Not in the way you mean, anyway. And no, you shouldn't be editing JPG's. It's a compressed format and every time you edit and re-save you'll lose picture quality. Your photos should be in TIFF to begin with but that's not always possible. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/18/2013 1:35 PM, Barbara wrote: Hopefully you don't think this is off topic. Two questions about pdf saved photos: 1. Is there a way to edit pdf saved pictures? 2. If not is there a way to change pdf saved pictures into jpeg so they can be edited? I'm learning, and have saved several phots in pdf and have not been able to work with them. Maybe I've learned a lesson and should save all of them in jpeg. Awaiting your thoughts and expertise. Barb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
On 1/19/2013 6:29 AM, Barbara wrote: Do I need a special program to put the pictures into TIFF? My scanner shows only JPEG and PDF. I have a copier/scanner/fax. I appreciate all of you who have taken the time to write me. I have Jeff's book (didn't see the workshop on line), but I haven't been able to decifer TIFF. I know that seems to be the best place to save family photos that there appears to be only one of a kind and then make copies in JPEG to share. A hearty thank you to each of you who responded. As you can see I'm still learning. Barb As I wrote earlier, Use the free Nitro PDF reader to extract images from PDF files. To create a JPG from a TIFF, use the free program IrfanView. Just open the TIFF and select Save As and choose JPG. There is online help for both of these fine programs. -- Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
I've heard this same thing about scanners from my cousin, Sam, who insists her scanner can only scan pictures as JPG's. I doubt it but I haven't seen her scanner. When you scan pictures you're just scanning them. It doesn't have anything to do with file format. It's when you save them that you choose a format. Use the drop down arrow next to Save to choose TIFF. When you want to convert a TIFF to a JPG, simply open the TIFF in any photo software (XnView and Paint.NET are both free) and re-save it as a JPG. This can also be done in batch-mode in some software. - JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/19/2013 3:29 AM, Barbara wrote: Do I need a special program to put the pictures into TIFF? My scanner shows only JPEG and PDF. I have a copier/scanner/fax. I appreciate all of you who have taken the time to write me. I have Jeff's book (didn't see the workshop on line), but I haven't been able to decifer TIFF. I know that seems to be the best place to save family photos that there appears to be only one of a kind and then make copies in JPEG to share. A hearty thank you to each of you who responded. As you can see I'm still learning. Barb - Original Message - From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures If you have something like Adobe Photoshop Elements you can open your PDF's there and it will extract the photos for you. Do it one PDF at a time. The other way (depending on the size of your photos) is to open the PDF as usual. Depending on your PDF reader there may be a camera icon in the menu that allows you to take a screenshot of the photo. You'd want to be able to do that at full size, of course. It depends what software is available to you but,no, you can't edit a photo inside a PDF. Not in the way you mean, anyway. And no, you shouldn't be editing JPG's. It's a compressed format and every time you edit and re-save you'll lose picture quality. Your photos should be in TIFF to begin with but that's not always possible. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/18/2013 1:35 PM, Barbara wrote: Hopefully you don't think this is off topic. Two questions about pdf saved photos: 1. Is there a way to edit pdf saved pictures? 2. If not is there a way to change pdf saved pictures into jpeg so they can be edited? I'm learning, and have saved several phots in pdf and have not been able to work with them. Maybe I've learned a lesson and should save all of them in jpeg. Awaiting your thoughts and expertise. Barb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
A scanner may give you the option to save a file as a TIFF, but a lot of websites don't. I checked a few of my favorites. Ancestry's only option is .jpg. American Ancestors and Family Search save as .jpg. They don't give you an option but they do allow you to open it in a photo editor instead. I have a lot of older images of books that are .gif. I'm not sure that any websites are using that any more. ~~ Shirley York Anderson yor...@prodigy.net ~~ My web site: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~syafam/ http://myfamilybrickwalls.blogspot.com/ - Original Message From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sat, January 19, 2013 12:48:11 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures I've heard this same thing about scanners from my cousin, Sam, who insists her scanner can only scan pictures as JPG's. I doubt it but I haven't seen her scanner. When you scan pictures you're just scanning them. It doesn't have anything to do with file format. It's when you save them that you choose a format. Use the drop down arrow next to Save to choose TIFF. When you want to convert a TIFF to a JPG, simply open the TIFF in any photo software (XnView and Paint.NET are both free) and re-save it as a JPG. This can also be done in batch-mode in some software. - JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/19/2013 3:29 AM, Barbara wrote: Do I need a special program to put the pictures into TIFF? My scanner shows only JPEG and PDF. I have a copier/scanner/fax. I appreciate all of you who have taken the time to write me. I have Jeff's book (didn't see the workshop on line), but I haven't been able to decifer TIFF. I know that seems to be the best place to save family photos that there appears to be only one of a kind and then make copies in JPEG to share. A hearty thank you to each of you who responded. As you can see I'm still learning. Barb - Original Message - From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures If you have something like Adobe Photoshop Elements you can open your PDF's there and it will extract the photos for you. Do it one PDF at a time. The other way (depending on the size of your photos) is to open the PDF as usual. Depending on your PDF reader there may be a camera icon in the menu that allows you to take a screenshot of the photo. You'd want to be able to do that at full size, of course. It depends what software is available to you but,no, you can't edit a photo inside a PDF. Not in the way you mean, anyway. And no, you shouldn't be editing JPG's. It's a compressed format and every time you edit and re-save you'll lose picture quality. Your photos should be in TIFF to begin with but that's not always possible. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/18/2013 1:35 PM, Barbara wrote: Hopefully you don't think this is off topic. Two questions about pdf saved photos: 1. Is there a way to edit pdf saved pictures? 2. If not is there a way to change pdf saved pictures into jpeg so they can be edited? I'm learning, and have saved several phots in pdf and have not been able to work with them. Maybe I've learned a lesson and should save all of them in jpeg. Awaiting your thoughts and expertise. Barb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http
RE: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
The reason that some people claim they can only scan an image as one particular file format is that they are most likely using the proprietary software that came with the scanner. In such cases, the software is so simplistic and lacking in options, the image is imported into Windows as a JPG only, or perhaps only as a BMP. They don't realize that they can use a number of free imaging programs such as Irfanview and a multitude of others that will allow them to use the scanner (just Google free image scanning programs) as long as the driver supplied by the scanner is Twain compliant (almost all are). Such programs are full of features that offer the capability to save a scanned image in a number of different file formats. Methinks that the argument about lossy compression of JPEGS is overblown when considering that with most programs the user has the option to choose the amount of compression to be used by the algorithms in saving the JPEG. Just try staying away from the defaults. Using Photoshop, I always choose 12 which results in next to no compression. Studies have shown that multiple saves of a JPEG using this compression setting results in an image that is practically indiscernible from the original. I just don't like the idea of having a Master TIFF image and then another identical image in JPG format. Seems counter-intuitive when hard drive space is cheap so I have no problem with 5 or 6 meg pictures. Besides, I usually edit my scanned images only once or twice and never touch them after that. But to each his own. And after all is said and done, I just can't argue against the basic concept that a TIFF format will keep your image in its original pristine condition and a JPEG will technically change every time one re-saves it. Just make sure you are using an un-compressed TIFF format. There are several options for a compressed TIFF and some of those options are a lossy compression technique which puts you right back into the realm of a JPEG image. I don't think Geoff Rasmussen and others have made this point strong enough and so I suspect that there are many Legacy users unknowingly saving their images in a lossy compressed TIFF format. Brian in CA Go '49ers -Original Message- From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws] Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 10:47 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures I've heard this same thing about scanners from my cousin, Sam, who insists her scanner can only scan pictures as JPG's. I doubt it but I haven't seen her scanner. When you scan pictures you're just scanning them. It doesn't have anything to do with file format. It's when you save them that you choose a format. Use the drop down arrow next to Save to choose TIFF. When you want to convert a TIFF to a JPG, simply open the TIFF in any photo software (XnView and Paint.NET are both free) and re-save it as a JPG. This can also be done in batch-mode in some software. - JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/19/2013 3:29 AM, Barbara wrote: Do I need a special program to put the pictures into TIFF? My scanner shows only JPEG and PDF. I have a copier/scanner/fax. I appreciate all of you who have taken the time to write me. I have Jeff's book (didn't see the workshop on line), but I haven't been able to decifer TIFF. I know that seems to be the best place to save family photos that there appears to be only one of a kind and then make copies in JPEG to share. A hearty thank you to each of you who responded. As you can see I'm still learning. Barb - Original Message - From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures If you have something like Adobe Photoshop Elements you can open your PDF's there and it will extract the photos for you. Do it one PDF at a time. The other way (depending on the size of your photos) is to open the PDF as usual. Depending on your PDF reader there may be a camera icon in the menu that allows you to take a screenshot of the photo. You'd want to be able to do that at full size, of course. It depends what software is available to you but,no, you can't edit a photo inside a PDF. Not in the way you mean, anyway. And no, you shouldn't be editing JPG's. It's a compressed format and every time you edit and re-save you'll lose picture quality. Your photos should be in TIFF to begin with but that's not always possible. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/18/2013 1:35 PM, Barbara wrote: Hopefully you don't think this is off topic. Two questions about pdf saved photos: 1. Is there a way to edit pdf saved pictures? 2. If not is there a way to change pdf saved pictures into jpeg so they can be edited? I'm learning, and have saved several phots in pdf and have
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
I believe the original question was about scanning images. Why are you mixing this up with talk about downloading images? - JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/19/2013 1:01 PM, SHIRLEY ANDERSON wrote: A scanner may give you the option to save a file as a TIFF, but a lot of websites don't. I checked a few of my favorites. Ancestry's only option is .jpg. American Ancestors and Family Search save as .jpg. They don't give you an option but they do allow you to open it in a photo editor instead. I have a lot of older images of books that are .gif. I'm not sure that any websites are using that any more. ~~ Shirley York Anderson yor...@prodigy.net ~~ My web site: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~syafam/ http://myfamilybrickwalls.blogspot.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
XnView can also be used to 'Select TWAIN Source' and it's free. After clicking the Scan button in XnView, my Epson scanner windows open as usual for a choice of other options. The scanned photo then shows up in XnView and can be saved from there in whatever format I choose through the 'Save file as' option in Windows. It's quite do-able if your scanner won't do a TIFF by itself. I generally use Epson directly after setting the Save option for TIFF and the Save location. What I've seen about saving TIFF's is that None is the default compression option but it's worth checking to make sure. LZW, which is lossless, can be used to save space. To reconstitute to the original size, just re-save with the None compression option. The word on the street about re-saving JPG's is to not change the level of compression. If you stick with the original the damage is less. I don't bother making JPG copies of my edited TIFF's unless I have a reason for it; emailing, web use, wikis, etc. I have almost nothing linked to Legacy. - JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/19/2013 1:03 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: The reason that some people claim they can only scan an image as one particular file format is that they are most likely using the proprietary software that came with the scanner. In such cases, the software is so simplistic and lacking in options, the image is imported into Windows as a JPG only, or perhaps only as a BMP. They don't realize that they can use a number of free imaging programs such as Irfanview and a multitude of others that will allow them to use the scanner (just Google free image scanning programs) as long as the driver supplied by the scanner is Twain compliant (almost all are). Such programs are full of features that offer the capability to save a scanned image in a number of different file formats. Methinks that the argument about lossy compression of JPEGS is overblown when considering that with most programs the user has the option to choose the amount of compression to be used by the algorithms in saving the JPEG. Just try staying away from the defaults. Using Photoshop, I always choose 12 which results in next to no compression. Studies have shown that multiple saves of a JPEG using this compression setting results in an image that is practically indiscernible from the original. I just don't like the idea of having a Master TIFF image and then another identical image in JPG format. Seems counter-intuitive when hard drive space is cheap so I have no problem with 5 or 6 meg pictures. Besides, I usually edit my scanned images only once or twice and never touch them after that. But to each his own. And after all is said and done, I just can't argue against the basic concept that a TIFF format will keep your image in its original pristine condition and a JPEG will technically change every time one re-saves it. Just make sure you are using an un-compressed TIFF format. There are several options for a compressed TIFF and some of those options are a lossy compression technique which puts you right back into the realm of a JPEG image. I don't think Geoff Rasmussen and others have made this point strong enough and so I suspect that there are many Legacy users unknowingly saving their images in a lossy compressed TIFF format. Brian in CA Go '49ers Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
If you have something like Adobe Photoshop Elements you can open your PDF's there and it will extract the photos for you. Do it one PDF at a time. The other way (depending on the size of your photos) is to open the PDF as usual. Depending on your PDF reader there may be a camera icon in the menu that allows you to take a screenshot of the photo. You'd want to be able to do that at full size, of course. It depends what software is available to you but,no, you can't edit a photo inside a PDF. Not in the way you mean, anyway. And no, you shouldn't be editing JPG's. It's a compressed format and every time you edit and re-save you'll lose picture quality. Your photos should be in TIFF to begin with but that's not always possible. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/18/2013 1:35 PM, Barbara wrote: Hopefully you don't think this is off topic. Two questions about pdf saved photos: 1. Is there a way to edit pdf saved pictures? 2. If not is there a way to change pdf saved pictures into jpeg so they can be edited? I'm learning, and have saved several phots in pdf and have not been able to work with them. Maybe I've learned a lesson and should save all of them in jpeg. Awaiting your thoughts and expertise. Barb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
You will also not be able to use a pdf format file as a picture file in Legacy. PDF is a document format so Legacy cannot display them as an individual's picture nor print these as pictures in reports. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -- On 18-Jan-13 16:35, Barbara wrote: Hopefully you don't think this is off topic. Two questions about pdf saved photos: 1. Is there a way to edit pdf saved pictures? 2. If not is there a way to change pdf saved pictures into jpeg so they can be edited? I'm learning, and have saved several phots in pdf and have not been able to work with them. Maybe I've learned a lesson and should save all of them in jpeg. Awaiting your thoughts and expertise. Barb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
Just how much does a JPG 'degrade' when you edit it? Isn't recommended that photo's in Legacy be in JPG format? Does just viewing them in Legacy, or any other app for that matter, degrade them? gc -- Original Message -- From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:56:12 -0800 And no, you shouldn't be editing JPG's. It's a compressed format and every time you edit and re-save you'll lose picture quality. Your photos should be in TIFF to begin with but that's not always possible. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50f9c7213f48247201df7st02vuc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
On 18-Jan-2013 5:04 PM, gcr...@juno.com wrote: Just how much does a JPG 'degrade' when you edit it? Isn't recommended that photo's in Legacy be in JPG format? Does just viewing them in Legacy, or any other app for that matter, degrade them? gc snip I don't know for sure exactly how much is lost each time you save a jpg, but I do know that when I did an experiment modifying and saving a jpg about 100 times, there was a definite loss of quality. When I receive a jpg from someone else, I immediately open it and save it as a tiff. I also do all of my scanning to tiff format. This is a lossless format. If I have eny editing I wish to do, I created a copy of name-edit.tiff. I then work with this copy and save the modifications as name-someedit.tiff. For Legacy or other usage, I save it as a jpg. Any other edits are always done to either the name-edit or the second saved tiff. Wes Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
1. Viewing them does not degrade the quality of the picture. 2. The extent of the degradation depends on the amount of compression applied. Usually a single edit will not be a problem but continual tweaking and saving after each one will eventually reduce the quality to the point where it is unacceptable. The recommended practice is to have a Master copy which is in a high quality non-compressed format such as TIFF. When you want to edit the picture you open that Master, make your edits then save the result as a jpeg. Since you are always starting with the high quality original the jpeg copy will be more than adequate. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -- On 18-Jan-13 17:04, gcr...@juno.com wrote: Just how much does a JPG 'degrade' when you edit it? Isn't recommended that photo's in Legacy be in JPG format? Does just viewing them in Legacy, or any other app for that matter, degrade them? gc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
On 1/18/2013 4:35 PM, Barbara wrote: Hopefully you don't think this is off topic. Two questions about pdf saved photos: 1. Is there a way to edit pdf saved pictures? 2. If not is there a way to change pdf saved pictures into jpeg so they can be edited? Actually it is technically off topic so I'll keep it short. Download the Free Nitro PDF Reader (Google will find it). After installation, open your file, select the select tool (its an arrow icon) use it to click on the image you want. The image will be highlighted in blue. Right click the highlighted image and select extract. You will be prompted where to save it. Its that simple. -- Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
It depends on the compression … that is, how much digital information is omitted from the original file to create a smaller digital file (the jpeg). . To the casual eye, the degradation will probably not be observable. But when you magnify portions (such as to be able to read handwriting) the degradation becomes somewhat more apparent and problematic. Subsequently, if you copy the jpeg, the degradation increases each time you make a copy or a jpeg copy. Eventually, after a number of copies, details such as handwriting become more difficult to see. All of this occurs because each jpeg omits visual data from the previous file. From: gcr...@juno.com [mailto:gcr...@juno.com] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 2:05 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures Just how much does a JPG 'degrade' when you edit it? Isn't recommended that photo's in Legacy be in JPG format? Does just viewing them in Legacy, or any other app for that matter, degrade them? gc -- Original Message -- From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:56:12 -0800 And no, you shouldn't be editing JPG's. It's a compressed format and every time you edit and re-save you'll lose picture quality. Your photos should be in TIFF to begin with but that's not always possible. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
If you want to know that you can try it. Take a JPG and re-save it a few times. Yes, photos in Legacy should be in JPG for size. That doesn't mean editing them over and over. I start with TIFF and convert a copy to JPG if I want to link it. Just viewing them doesn't degrade them. - JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ On 1/18/2013 2:04 PM, gcr...@juno.com wrote: Just how much does a JPG 'degrade' when you edit it? Isn't recommended that photo's in Legacy be in JPG format? Does just viewing them in Legacy, or any other app for that matter, degrade them? gc -- Original Message -- From: JLB j...@jgen.ws To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:56:12 -0800 And no, you shouldn't be editing JPG's. It's a compressed format and every time you edit and re-save you'll lose picture quality. Your photos should be in TIFF to begin with but that's not always possible. JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://jlog.jgen.ws/ *Woman is 53 But Looks 25* Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/50f9c7213f48247201df7st02vucConsumerLifestyleMag.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/50f9c7213f48247201df7st02vuc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
