Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?
Hi John & Legacy Users, I understand your frustrations with DNA matching, which I experienced even worse disgust with AncestryDNA's and other forums' "experts", who honestly do not know much of what they're advising hapless users (too much of blind leading blind). There is one very good place to evaluate your DNA matches, which is quite good at finding or ruling out potential relatives based on genetic sequences in Autosomal DNA as well as sex-linked DNA; this site is GEDmatch.com, which is FREE and has an abundance of great tools to help evaluate details of your DNA matches with customizable searches of either or both family tree data from uploaded GEDcom files and uploaded DNA results. GEDmatch has powerful yet straight-forward tools to evaluate details of DNA sequences from you and matches, which you can easily dissect to determine validity of matches (e.g., amount of DNA sequences, largest sequence, chromosomes involved, beginning and ending locations that includes positions around centromeres, etc.). All terms and procedures have contextual help, to assist you with your evaluation of DNA Kits and GEDcom files, along with email addresses of donars if you want to contact them. GEDcom files for surname matches and/or DNA matches include names and demographics of the potential matched relatives with their pedigrees and descendancy charts with links to their details. The 3-Dimensional Chromosome Browser and DNA Matrices can really help you figure out how closely or not your match is between either yourself and a person of interest or with multiple persons. Without GEDmatch.com, I would agree fully with your complaints, that are generally true about most other DNA sites (I'vs used FTDNA, AncestryDNA, MyHeritage, 23andMe, Geni, Legacy, and GEDmatch for DNA analyses); however, GEDmatch has comprehensive tools that can be easily used and customized to properly and accurately evaluate potential genetic relationships from matching DNA sequences. Other sites "lock their algorithms with set criteria", that they use to only give you their restricted view of persons with DNA sequences that match yours - to varying degrees that you'll never know about at those sites, except sometimes in very limited qualitative ways (e.g., high vs med vs low confidence - undefined, no chromosome locales sometimes, etc.). No other DNA analytical site offers such excellent powerful tools as GEDmatch.com to best evaluate DNA results. If you would like another independent opinion on the superior merits of GEDcom match, please see Jack Mason's blog at his Google blog site: http://lostodonnells.blogspot.com/?zx=f4eb39d3cfe8ebeb (you may need to send him a quick message to get permission to read his blogs), where he clearly gives easily understood examples with screen-shots about his many positive experiences in using GEDmatch.com tools tot evaluate matches of DNA sequences. As Jack said, "Thank God for GEDmatch!" It is the only known current DNA website that enables anyone, including you with your examples, to thoroughly evaluate DNA results (autosomal or sex-linked) and produce increased strength of evidence to confirm or refute most potential relatives. I hope it works for you, too. Dr. Gerry Henningsen -Original Message- From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 3:10 PM To: 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy? I recently had my DNA tested via the Genographic Project. They use Y-DNA, Mt-DNA and autosomal DNA to determine your Haplogroups and regional ancestry, which is what I wanted. If you want to try to find relatives, you can, free of charge, transfer your results to FamilyTreeDNA, and use their program for that purpose. I did not take that step because it would be a waste of time. Frankly, I am disgusted by all the companies misleading people about how useful or easy DNA is for finding relatives. Autosomal DNA only works for the few most recent generations, and that information would be much more easily found using traditional genealogy practices. Even if you find a possible relative by using DNA, you still need to use traditional geology to confirm it. In Legacy there is no specified field for adding your Haplogroups and regional ancestry, although you could put it general notes etc. John -Original Message- From: Hotrum family Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:28 AM To: 'Legacy User Group' Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy? On 26 Nov 2016 Elizabeth Lindsay wrote: > What I should have asked is why does Legacy not include 23andMe and > GEDmatch in the list of options. As for 23andMe... none of the autosomal testing companies are included in Legacy's list. I can only assume that's because the initial list has not been updated or perhap
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?
I recently had my DNA tested via the Genographic Project. They use Y-DNA, Mt-DNA and autosomal DNA to determine your Haplogroups and regional ancestry, which is what I wanted. If you want to try to find relatives, you can, free of charge, transfer your results to FamilyTreeDNA, and use their program for that purpose. I did not take that step because it would be a waste of time. Frankly, I am disgusted by all the companies misleading people about how useful or easy DNA is for finding relatives. Autosomal DNA only works for the few most recent generations, and that information would be much more easily found using traditional genealogy practices. Even if you find a possible relative by using DNA, you still need to use traditional geology to confirm it. In Legacy there is no specified field for adding your Haplogroups and regional ancestry, although you could put it general notes etc. John -Original Message- From: Hotrum family Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:28 AM To: 'Legacy User Group' Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy? On 26 Nov 2016 Elizabeth Lindsay wrote: What I should have asked is why does Legacy not include 23andMe and GEDmatch in the list of options. As for 23andMe... none of the autosomal testing companies are included in Legacy's list. I can only assume that's because the initial list has not been updated or perhaps the programmers don't know what use it would be because there's basically no test data to record. -- 23andMe is the only testing company that provides basic Y and mt haplogroup information with an autosomal test (and unfortunately it causes many testees to believe they also need those to match!) GEDmatch is not a DNA testing company so should not be in the list. There should however be a place (the test Notes?) to record an uploaded GEDmatch kit ID when the autosomal testing company is selected. But currently, since the testing company cannot be selected this doesn't apply. What I really want to be able to do, is for anyone who I know has been tested: 1) tick the box for one of the DNA test companies and then, 2) add the Kit Number and, 3) add the haplogroup and, 4) add what family names the test results relate to, or confirm. So you need to create a new event such as "Autosomal-DNA test" and use it to record the testing company, and GEDmatch kit number, etc. I find this works better than the DNA Records area because it's visible from the Individual's Information window without further clicking. If I can assign a tag or colour to these results, that would be helpful. Obviously you could uniquely tag these individuals for a DNA flag but that would be a separate action on your part. Millennia could have done so much more to make Legacy useful to genetic genealogists but didn't, and it wasn't from lack of suggestions by myself and other ISOGG members! Why useless DNA selections were incorporated when no features were using them has never made sense to me. Legacy 9 will apparently have a mediocre use of them in Charting but still nothing really worthwhile. Cheers! -- Dave N. - DNA Project Administrator FamilyTreeDNA & 23andMe -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?
Thank you Dave, that works for me:-) Kind regards, Elizabeth -Original Message- From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Hotrum family Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 1:28 AM To: 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy? On 26 Nov 2016 Elizabeth Lindsay wrote: > What I should have asked is why does Legacy not include 23andMe and > GEDmatch in the list of options. As for 23andMe... none of the autosomal testing companies are included in Legacy's list. I can only assume that's because the initial list has not been updated or perhaps the programmers don't know what use it would be because there's basically no test data to record. -- 23andMe is the only testing company that provides basic Y and mt haplogroup information with an autosomal test (and unfortunately it causes many testees to believe they also need those to match!) GEDmatch is not a DNA testing company so should not be in the list. There should however be a place (the test Notes?) to record an uploaded GEDmatch kit ID when the autosomal testing company is selected. But currently, since the testing company cannot be selected this doesn't apply. > What I really want to be able to do, is for anyone who I know has been > tested: > 1) tick the box for one of the DNA test companies and then, > 2) add the Kit Number and, > 3) add the haplogroup and, > 4) add what family names the test results relate to, or confirm. So you need to create a new event such as "Autosomal-DNA test" and use it to record the testing company, and GEDmatch kit number, etc. I find this works better than the DNA Records area because it's visible from the Individual's Information window without further clicking. > If I can assign a tag or colour to these results, that would be > helpful. Obviously you could uniquely tag these individuals for a DNA flag but that would be a separate action on your part. Millennia could have done so much more to make Legacy useful to genetic genealogists but didn't, and it wasn't from lack of suggestions by myself and other ISOGG members! Why useless DNA selections were incorporated when no features were using them has never made sense to me. Legacy 9 will apparently have a mediocre use of them in Charting but still nothing really worthwhile. Cheers! -- Dave N. - DNA Project Administrator FamilyTreeDNA & 23andMe -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?
On 26 Nov 2016 Elizabeth Lindsay wrote: > What I should have asked is why does Legacy not include 23andMe > and GEDmatch in the list of options. As for 23andMe... none of the autosomal testing companies are included in Legacy's list. I can only assume that's because the initial list has not been updated or perhaps the programmers don't know what use it would be because there's basically no test data to record. -- 23andMe is the only testing company that provides basic Y and mt haplogroup information with an autosomal test (and unfortunately it causes many testees to believe they also need those to match!) GEDmatch is not a DNA testing company so should not be in the list. There should however be a place (the test Notes?) to record an uploaded GEDmatch kit ID when the autosomal testing company is selected. But currently, since the testing company cannot be selected this doesn't apply. > What I really want to be able to do, is for anyone who I know has been > tested: > 1) tick the box for one of the DNA test companies and then, > 2) add the Kit Number and, > 3) add the haplogroup and, > 4) add what family names the test results relate to, or confirm. So you need to create a new event such as "Autosomal-DNA test" and use it to record the testing company, and GEDmatch kit number, etc. I find this works better than the DNA Records area because it's visible from the Individual's Information window without further clicking. > If I can assign a tag or colour to these results, that would be > helpful. Obviously you could uniquely tag these individuals for a DNA flag but that would be a separate action on your part. Millennia could have done so much more to make Legacy useful to genetic genealogists but didn't, and it wasn't from lack of suggestions by myself and other ISOGG members! Why useless DNA selections were incorporated when no features were using them has never made sense to me. Legacy 9 will apparently have a mediocre use of them in Charting but still nothing really worthwhile. Cheers! -- Dave N. - DNA Project Administrator FamilyTreeDNA & 23andMe -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?
This would be solved with a simple option to add a selected color to a tree, and another to a different tree, which would help me immensely. However, Tagging will do the trick but its very easy to muck up. Ian On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 2:37 AM, Elizabeth Lindsay <elizab...@nuytsia.net.au > wrote: > Thanks Dave N. > I realise I did not think my question out clearly enough. > > What I should have asked is why does Legacy not include 23andMe and > GEDmatch > in the list of options. > What I really want to be able to do, is for anyone who I know has been > tested: > 1) tick the box for one of the DNA test companies and then, > 2) add the Kit Number and, > 3) add the haplogroup and, > 4) add what family names the test results relate to, or confirm. > > If I can assign a tag or colour to these results, that would be helpful. > > Regards, > Elizabeth > > > > -Original Message- > From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On > Behalf Of Hotrum family > Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 2:15 PM > To: 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy? > > On 26 Nov 2016 Elizabeth Lindsay wrote: > > > How do I add the DNA results from 23 to my individual record in > Legacy? > > You don't! Legacy does not even have 23andMe listed as a test provider. > To > overcome this deficiency I have created a separate "DNA test" event to > record individuals that have taken DNA tests. > Unfortunately that alone doesn't colour the DNA icon. > > However, your question was about adding 23andMe (autosomal) test results to > Legacy. What sense is there in doing this? Legacy cannot do anything with > them. If you have looked at your results you will see there are about > 600,000 lines of data. I doubt you'd want to type them in! > If on the other hand you only want to show the Y and mt haplogroups (which > actually have nothing to do with an autosomal test) then add them to the > notes of a specific event that you create. > > Cheers! -- Dave N. > > > -- > David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. > HARTRUM/HOTRUM One-Name-Study > See the HARTRUM/HOTRUM Family Tree at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hotrum/ > --- > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/ > mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- ICMac Sales: Hobby consultant (1986r.) Office hours: 10:00 Am - 5:00 PM most days Macaulay Genealogy Family Matters Ian Macaulayof Carp, Ontario -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?
Thanks Dave N. I realise I did not think my question out clearly enough. What I should have asked is why does Legacy not include 23andMe and GEDmatch in the list of options. What I really want to be able to do, is for anyone who I know has been tested: 1) tick the box for one of the DNA test companies and then, 2) add the Kit Number and, 3) add the haplogroup and, 4) add what family names the test results relate to, or confirm. If I can assign a tag or colour to these results, that would be helpful. Regards, Elizabeth -Original Message- From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Hotrum family Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 2:15 PM To: 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy? On 26 Nov 2016 Elizabeth Lindsay wrote: > How do I add the DNA results from 23 to my individual record in Legacy? You don't! Legacy does not even have 23andMe listed as a test provider. To overcome this deficiency I have created a separate "DNA test" event to record individuals that have taken DNA tests. Unfortunately that alone doesn't colour the DNA icon. However, your question was about adding 23andMe (autosomal) test results to Legacy. What sense is there in doing this? Legacy cannot do anything with them. If you have looked at your results you will see there are about 600,000 lines of data. I doubt you'd want to type them in! If on the other hand you only want to show the Y and mt haplogroups (which actually have nothing to do with an autosomal test) then add them to the notes of a specific event that you create. Cheers! -- Dave N. -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. HARTRUM/HOTRUM One-Name-Study See the HARTRUM/HOTRUM Family Tree at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hotrum/ --- -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?
On 26 Nov 2016 Elizabeth Lindsay wrote: > How do I add the DNA results from 23 to my individual record in Legacy? You don't! Legacy does not even have 23andMe listed as a test provider. To overcome this deficiency I have created a separate "DNA test" event to record individuals that have taken DNA tests. Unfortunately that alone doesn't colour the DNA icon. However, your question was about adding 23andMe (autosomal) test results to Legacy. What sense is there in doing this? Legacy cannot do anything with them. If you have looked at your results you will see there are about 600,000 lines of data. I doubt you'd want to type them in! If on the other hand you only want to show the Y and mt haplogroups (which actually have nothing to do with an autosomal test) then add them to the notes of a specific event that you create. Cheers! -- Dave N. -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. HARTRUM/HOTRUM One-Name-Study See the HARTRUM/HOTRUM Family Tree at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hotrum/ --- -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
