Hi John & Legacy Users, 

I understand your frustrations with DNA matching, which I experienced even
worse disgust with AncestryDNA's and other forums' "experts", who honestly
do not know much of what they're advising hapless users (too much of blind
leading blind).

There is one very good place to evaluate your DNA matches, which is quite
good at finding or ruling out potential relatives based on genetic sequences
in Autosomal DNA as well as sex-linked DNA; this site is GEDmatch.com, which
is FREE and has an abundance of great tools to help evaluate details of your
DNA matches with customizable searches of either or both family tree data
from uploaded GEDcom files and uploaded DNA results.  GEDmatch has powerful
yet straight-forward tools to evaluate details of DNA sequences from you and
matches, which you can easily dissect to determine validity of matches
(e.g., amount of DNA sequences, largest sequence, chromosomes involved,
beginning and ending locations that includes positions around centromeres,
etc.).  All terms and procedures have contextual help, to assist you with
your evaluation of DNA Kits and GEDcom files, along with email addresses of
donars if you want to contact them.  GEDcom files for surname matches and/or
DNA matches include names and demographics of the potential matched
relatives with their pedigrees and descendancy charts with links to their
details.  The 3-Dimensional Chromosome Browser and DNA Matrices can really
help you figure out how closely or not your match is between either yourself
and a person of interest or with multiple persons.  

Without GEDmatch.com, I would agree fully with your complaints, that are
generally true about most other DNA sites (I'vs used FTDNA, AncestryDNA,
MyHeritage, 23andMe, Geni, Legacy, and GEDmatch for DNA analyses); however,
GEDmatch has comprehensive tools that can be easily used and customized to
properly and accurately evaluate potential genetic relationships from
matching DNA sequences.  Other sites "lock their algorithms with set
criteria", that they use to only give you their restricted view of persons
with DNA sequences that match yours - to varying degrees that you'll never
know about at those sites, except sometimes in very limited qualitative ways
(e.g., high vs med vs low confidence - undefined, no chromosome locales
sometimes, etc.).

No other DNA analytical site offers such excellent powerful tools as
GEDmatch.com to best evaluate DNA results.  If you would like another
independent opinion on the superior merits of GEDcom match, please see Jack
Mason's blog at his Google blog site:
http://lostodonnells.blogspot.com/?zx=f4eb39d3cfe8ebeb  (you may need to
send him a quick message to get permission to read his blogs), where he
clearly gives easily understood examples with screen-shots about his many
positive experiences in using GEDmatch.com tools tot evaluate matches of DNA
sequences.  As Jack said, "Thank God for GEDmatch!"  It is the only known
current DNA website that enables anyone, including you with your examples,
to thoroughly evaluate DNA results (autosomal or sex-linked) and produce
increased strength of evidence to confirm or refute most potential
relatives.  I hope it works for you, too.

Dr. Gerry Henningsen

-----Original Message-----
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 3:10 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?

I recently had my DNA tested via the Genographic Project. They use Y-DNA,
Mt-DNA and autosomal DNA to determine your Haplogroups and regional
ancestry, which is what I wanted.

If you want to try to find relatives, you can, free of charge, transfer your
results to FamilyTreeDNA, and use their program for that purpose. I did not
take that step because it would be a waste of time.

Frankly, I am disgusted by all the companies misleading people about how
useful or easy DNA is for finding relatives. Autosomal DNA only works for
the few most recent generations, and that information would be much more
easily found using traditional genealogy practices. Even if you find a
possible relative by using DNA, you still need to use traditional geology to
confirm it.

In Legacy there is no specified field for adding your Haplogroups and
regional ancestry, although you could put it general notes etc.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Hotrum family
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:28 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding 23and Me DNA results to Legacy?

On 26 Nov 2016  Elizabeth Lindsay wrote:

> What I should have asked is why does Legacy not include 23andMe and 
> GEDmatch in the list of options.

As for 23andMe... none of the autosomal testing companies are included in
Legacy's list.  I can only assume that's because the initial list has not
been updated or perhaps the programmers don't know what use it would be
because there's basically no test data to record. -- 23andMe is the only
testing company that provides basic Y and mt haplogroup information with an
autosomal test (and unfortunately it causes many testees to believe they
also need those to match!)

GEDmatch is not a DNA testing company so should not be in the list.
There should however be a place (the test Notes?) to record an uploaded
GEDmatch kit ID when the autosomal testing company is selected.  But
currently, since the testing company cannot be selected this doesn't apply.

> What I really want to be able to do, is for anyone who I know has been
> tested:
> 1) tick the box for one of the DNA test companies and then,
> 2) add the Kit Number and,
> 3) add the haplogroup and,
> 4) add what family names the test results relate to, or confirm.

So you need to create a new event such as "Autosomal-DNA test" and use it to
record the testing company, and GEDmatch kit number, etc.
I find this works better than the DNA Records area because it's visible from
the Individual's Information window without further clicking.

> If I can assign a tag or colour to these results, that would be 
> helpful.

Obviously you could uniquely tag these individuals for a DNA flag but that
would be a separate action on your part.

Millennia could have done so much more to make Legacy useful to genetic
genealogists but didn't, and it wasn't from lack of suggestions by myself
and other ISOGG members!  Why useless DNA selections were incorporated when
no features were using them has never made sense to me.  Legacy 9 will
apparently have a mediocre use of them in Charting but still nothing really
worthwhile.

Cheers! -- Dave N.
-
DNA Project Administrator
FamilyTreeDNA & 23andMe


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